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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Oddzilla on June 17, 2000, at 17:31:02
In reply to Re: lithium vs. placebo - An opinion » BBob, posted by SLS on June 15, 2000, at 9:29:00
> Dear Dr.Bob
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> Gee, I must have struck a nerve with you in one of my previous posts you seem to be neglecting your censorship duties..
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> Perhaps it might be productive for you to try to prove your point by taking 1200mg of lithium for four weeks and see how well it does or doesn't work for you.
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> You are no psychiatrist. If you were to practice medicine, you would have given careful consideration to sentence #2 a long time ago. I wouldn't presume to diagnose you. I would, however, presume to suggest that you find someone who can. You are quite sick. You know it. You are not happy. Get help. Meanwhile, let others continue to get theirs without vindictively using your ignorance to get in their way.
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I believe in a previous post you said namecalling and accusations were uncivil.
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> What a carelessly worded piece of evasive rhetoric. Well then, what exactly *does* Dr. Bob say about Scott vilifying BBob?
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> If you have no mental illness, then just what the hell are you doing here? Do you really manage to fool yourself into thinking you exercise any altruism by writing such garbage posts? They really are garbage. You are such a weak writer. Did you even bother to entertain the idea that your lack of fairness might dissuade so much as one person from using this board to help put his life back together? But I guess that is your mission. What is your mission? I presume to suggest that you want others to pay dearly for the injustices that the world has placed upon you. Maybe a little lithium might clear things up. Zyprexa even better.
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> Maybe you have no biological mental illness. If you don't, you have a hell of a lot of work ahead of you. You better get moving. You only have the rest of your life to live. Don't waste it.
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> Can't you find some other sandbox to play in, or have you already been kicked out of the rest of them? It doesn't take much of a charlatan to win verbal censorship battles with depressed people, many of whom find it difficult to think their way out of a paper bag.
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> You actually suck at psychiatry.
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> I do not believe you are a medical doctor.
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> If it is so important to you to offer opinions, why don't you get up off your ass and do some research. I have. You are so ignorant. If you notice, I have not offered a single point of debate regarding the important issue regarding the efficacy of censorship. I wouldn't waste a single storage granule debating someone like you. I would need to spend months educating you just to be able to.
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> You are curious about nothing except the limits of your own power. Let me help you out here. You are quite limited.
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> I am sincere. Stop hurting others on this board by not exercising your censorship powers fairly and equally. Surely, no one would pay for it.
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> IBID you farewell. Hit the road. Get help. I know you won't. You have neither the intelligence nor the courage. There's my altruism. Use it wisely.
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> Your Friend,
> Oddzilla
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> P.S. Don't bother.Adapted with thanks to SLS
Posted by shar on June 17, 2000, at 18:02:41
In reply to To DR BOB, posted by Oddzilla on June 17, 2000, at 17:31:02
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Posted by Oddzilla on June 17, 2000, at 18:03:11
In reply to Re:, posted by SLS on June 17, 2000, at 9:29:07
All I heard BBob saying (and not too politely) was that you were offering personalized "feeling " responses to something that should be discussed rationally. This board says "support and information" and personally I want information rationally challenged. But then, support, at least for people in this therapy drenched culture involves "validating" peoples feelings just because they feel them. There is definately a conflict there.
My reaction to the study at first was purely emotional too-though in a more positive light. I was happy that long term studies were being done and happy to see something published that went against common wisdom which I was sort of interpreting as proof that all researchers weren't on the drug companies payroll ( I know I know the Depakote people-but that was my first reaction). I was also a little afraid for people that were stabilized on lithium. Of course the study was not as generalized as the headlines "lithium no better than placebo".
Anyway,I'm not mad at you I'm mad at Dr. Bob who is so ready to try and block people he doesn't agree with and so indifferent to attacks on others no matter how justified they may have felt.
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I'm tired of being accused of being someone I'm not and I'm not willing to ignore anybody just so I can be accepted by the "community". Just posting on the same thread with BBob or Claire or who knows who by now brings on slurs. No Oddzilla is not my real name but I'm familiar with being the odd person out and I'm not doing that to anyone!
> I like you Scott and you're certainly as close to being a genius as anyone else on this board (closer than most I suspect). Sorry I posted the silly paragon of maturity post. I'm tired of this. I went back and read the paper but I'm not up to discussing it rationally or any other way.Hope you have a good rest of the weekend. O.
> I had decided not to submit any more posts along this thread until I woke up this morning and saw how long it had become. What a waste.
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> I would just like to return people's attention to the post that provoked such an angry outburst on my part.
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> I included part of the post that provoked my anger below. I took out everything I had written in the post prior to it, hopefully to expose what I thought was obvious. This person did not direct a single comment towards lithium. He directed all of his comments at me personally. His post was nothing more than a compendium of personal attacks upon me. Is this still invisible?
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> Of course I got pissed off. He ran out into a productive forum and made a playground out of it. He picked a fight. I have a right to get angry. I have a right to have an opinion about him. I have a right to want this person never to post here again. I have my reasons. I also had the privilege of being able to do something about it by submitting a post. My anger was less the result of his personal attacks upon me, for I do not suffer from a fragmented ego, as it was the result of his insistence to continue behaviors that I deem to be deleterious to the health of a community I care about. That is nothing more than my opinion, as was the post that I clearly labelled as such. This person decided that it was more important to comment on the character of the writer who offered that opinion (me) than to comment on the opinion itself. Clearly, he had no tolerance for my expressing it. I find it ironic that those people who defend his right to have an opinion fail to recognize his lack of respect for others to have theirs.
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> My one regret is that I focused too heavily on the notion that he may have a biological mental disorder for which a mood stabilizer would be an appropriate treatment. I doubt he has. Perhaps it is me who has a characterological liability for sociopathic tendencies. Either way, I make no apologies for my decision not to walk on egg shells. This person was looking to pick a child's fight. I guess he was successful. Right now, I have little compassion for him. It is my right not to.
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> I chose to read his post. I chose to respond to it. Was my response uncharacteristic of me? Perhaps not. However, I find this person's behavior to be uncharacteristic of this board, and I'm not afraid to state that as my opinion. Genius is no excuse for destructive behavior. I guess neither is my lack of it.
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> I realize that my displays of anger and targeted opinions about this person have most likely relieved me of any respectability or credibility I may have had here, which were questionable to begin with. For some reason, I don't seem to care that much. I guess I have managed to remain respectable and credible to myself.
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> I still think lithium is an important and effective tool to treat both bipolar AND unipolar depression. In this instance, salt is more effective than sugar.
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> - Scott
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> > Unsubstantiated declarative statement, the logical foundation of which is based on the presumed authoritI of the speaker.
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> > IBID
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> > IBID
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> > Niether "many" nor "some" are relational to a specific quantity, apparently reverting to previous unsubstantiated argument of authority
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> > "Works" "everyone" and other terms undefined. Ignore statement.
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> > Growing evidence of need to rebut findings. What is the writer defending? A popular drug?
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> > Obvious? Kindly submit evidence, please, refering to sources other than personal authority.
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> > Indeed. Opinions previal.
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> > "Plain"? "Work?" Are these terms defined?
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> > Something? What? What does the writer mean by wrong? Per chance does that mean does not concur with personal perceptions of personal experience?
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> > How does a stude the show Prozack "works" differ from a study that shows Prozak is associated with increased suicidal or violent ideation?
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> > Bazillion is an absurd term. The writer reverts to ridicule. Argument failed.
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> > Ridicule is indeed simple.
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> > another writer posted: would not it be intersting if lithium worked because of placebo affect (paraphrase)
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> > Just another opionion, reflecting curiosity rather than conviction.
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> > (boBB is not Todd!!!)
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> > Oops! experiment design obviously excludes well documented evidence of toxic effect. More positive results of the UT study were excluded because many subjects dropped out after experiencing negative side effects. No similar effects were reported from placebo group.
Posted by Oddzilla on June 17, 2000, at 18:40:52
In reply to RU boBB's Sister, Perhaps? (np) » Oddzilla, posted by shar on June 17, 2000, at 18:02:41
> > I share your sentiments about the aggressive or maybe regressed tendencies of some posters. I get angry at attacks on others, especially on this board.
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> There seems to be no purpose to these posts except to attack. It has and does seem like very young behavior to me. Your playground comment is a good fit.
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> SharAs bob's grandma says when you point a finger at someone there's always 3 fingers pointing back at you. :o) (that's bob not BBob!)
Posted by shar on June 17, 2000, at 20:03:35
In reply to Re: RU boBB's Sister, Perhaps? NO :o) » shar, posted by Oddzilla on June 17, 2000, at 18:40:52
> As bob's grandma says when you point a finger at someone there's always 3 fingers pointing back at you. :o) (that's bob not BBob!)
>I would like to hear more from bob's grandma, or perhaps your interpretation of her sentiments.
Apparently someone believes that "pointing a finger" is always doing so in judgement (as in I am more worthy than X for whatever reason). I guess, disliking nastiness and saying so is perceived the same way? Otherwise, I don't get the saying.
S
Posted by Janice on June 18, 2000, at 17:09:26
In reply to Lithium success stories - Are there any?, posted by SLS on June 14, 2000, at 12:30:43
If I were answering 6 weeks ago, I'm sure I'd be saying lithium is MY miracle pill (I remember doing a posting like this and you type a happy face back at me - thanks). But since that time a few things have changed, namely some more depression.
So what lithium has undeniably done for me:
•stopped all mania and hypomania
•stopped the lowest of the lows of my depression (where I can't wake up for days or get out of bed)
•stopped almost all suicidal urgesSo for now, I'm cycling (or so it seems) between a moderate low to just over average mood. My pdoc assured me that rapid cycling takes 6 months to a year to settle sometime. My personal fortune telling (cognitive therapy sin #7) leads me to believe Lithium will do about 75% of the stabilizing job for me.
Lithium has been very, very good to me. I definately recommend the salt pill and not the sugar pill to fellow bipolars,
Janice
Sorry Scott, I meant to respond to your post earlier about my experiences with lithium, but then boBB and himselves jumped in.
Posted by Peter C on June 18, 2000, at 19:14:34
In reply to Bipolar:Salt's better than Sugar…read all about it, posted by Janice on June 18, 2000, at 17:09:26
Whew - that is a lot of vitriol, unfounded accusation, hatred and bullying.
For the record, the only posts on this thread created by the creator of boBB are the posts by Peter C. and the boBB posts.
On the matter of "pushing buttons," Robert Hsuing misleads his fans when he suggests that the creator of BBob is responsible for anyone else's feelings. Most clinicians endeavor to help clients become responsible for their own feelings. Robert Hsuing does not seem to hold contributors of this board responsible for boBB's feelings. Instead he seems to perceive correctly that (the creator of) boBB tries to hold himself responsible for his own feelings. Perhaps boBB is foolish to think others here are mature enough to do the same, but believes failure to own one's feelings reflects more of a muturity problem than a mental disease.
the PeterC data about the lithium study was posted as a public service. Bobb (Peter C)graciously posted bare-bones information and omitted intelligent criticisms of the study to leave room for intelligent replies by so-called experts on this board. The style of the origninal post reflected an intent to avoid "pushing buttons." An intelligent discussion also could have broached the placebo question, to consider how the promise of help might effect unsettled novelty assessment networks in the brain. Instead, some of the replies seemed to reflect deficits in the respondents neurocircuits that faciltitate novelty assessment.
(I suspect that assessment will be "going to far" in Robert Hsuings arbitrary court, whereas a week of hatred and unquailfied diagnosis against bobB will go unquestioned)
Bobb does not participate more actively in this discussion now because:
* some people are allowed to call names and make but others are not.
* contributors who masquerade as psychopharmacology experts resort to emotional abuse when challenged, violating protocols of scientific discussion.
* anonymous posting is prohibited. Unless a contributor's server logs an ISP number into the University of Chicago computer that serves this site, the board will not accept a contribution.
* we suspect Robert Hsuing and his cabal of student interns have used this web site to selectively deliver destructive viruses to contributors with whom he disagrees.Also for the record, many here are wrongly attempting to diagnose the author of boBB as a sufferer of some multipersonality condition. They forget that their is a rich history of misdiagnosis of multipersonality disorder. The error was largeley caused by a small group of clinical psychologists and by popular authors of psychobabble books (not the board - the genre). Those concerned with stigmas associated with mental disease would do well not to perpetuate the myth of "split personality." Further reading on the topic is available in the medical folklore section of health sciences libraries. Also, remember that psuedonymic writing has been a common practice in Western literary history.
Robert Hsuing could easily debunk the malicious myth of boBB being some of the other regulars on this board, but has apparently chosen instead to encourage the myth. The university of chicago professor is well aware of the limited number of ISP's associated with the pseudonyms associated with boBB, which do not include ISP numbers used by Odzilla, Cass, Claire7, todd, janice, shar, Cam W or SLS.
As for boBB not being a journalist, that is correct. He is not. Bobb is a fictitous psuedonym created by a journalist. The creator of boBB enjoys taking inspirational breaks from his tedious job of hacking out routine community news to read such misguided and ill-informed speculation that he is not employed as a writer. the Creator of boBB might someday appear in one of your favorite publications as the author of a work you truly admire. Remember the king who wore pauper's clothing....
And as for boBB (or his creator) being an English major, no... his spellling should offer sufficient evidence to the contrary. BoBB is a high school drop-out who learned about reportin, journalism, writing, neruoscience and logic as an autodidat, relying on books acquired in used book stores and libraries, as well as personal consultation with working professionals and by participating in such challenging forums as this one.
This post was contributed from a more secure server, which will suffer less damage if Robert Hsuing is in fact delivering destructive programs from his web site. The matter of maliciuos programs possibly being distributed by the creators of this board is the subject of an ongoing investigation.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 18, 2000, at 21:31:16
In reply to Re: lithium vs. placebo - An opinion » BBob, posted by SLS on June 15, 2000, at 9:29:00
> You are quite sick... let others continue to get theirs without vindictively using your ignorance to get in their way.
> What a carelessly worded piece of evasive rhetoric.
> Do you really manage to fool yourself into thinking you exercise any altruism by writing such garbage posts? They really are garbage. You are such a weak writer.
> You actually suck at rhetoric.
> You are so ignorant. If you notice, I have not offered a single point of debate regarding the important issue regarding the efficacy of lithium. I wouldn't waste a single storage granule debating someone like you. I would need to spend months educating you just to be able to.
> Get help. I know you won't. You have neither the intelligence nor the courage.
Sorry to take so long to get to this...
Comments like the above aren't civil. I'm sorry, but being provoked isn't an excuse. If a post makes you angry, wait to respond to it -- or don't respond to it at all. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 18, 2000, at 21:31:36
In reply to Re:Hi Scott, posted by Oddzilla on June 17, 2000, at 18:03:11
> This board says "support and information" and personally I want information rationally challenged. But then, support, at least for people in this therapy drenched culture involves "validating" peoples feelings just because they feel them. There is definately a conflict there.
I disagree. I think it's possible to have different points of view, yet still to be civil.
> Anyway,I'm not mad at you I'm mad at Dr. Bob who is so ready to try and block people he doesn't agree with and so indifferent to attacks on others no matter how justified they may have felt.
Sorry about the delay, I'm just not able to follow the board very closely now. It wasn't favoritism.
> I'm tired of being accused of being someone I'm not and I'm not willing to ignore anybody just so I can be accepted by the "community". Just posting on the same thread with BBob or Claire or who knows who by now brings on slurs.
1. I consider multiple identities a problem here. FYI, an email address will soon be required to register (but still won't have to be listed on any posts). Stay tuned for details.
2. Sometimes it's best to ignore things.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 18, 2000, at 21:31:45
In reply to jees...., posted by Peter C on June 18, 2000, at 19:14:34
> a week of hatred and unquailfied diagnosis against bobB will go unquestioned
Again, I apologize for that. See my previous post.
> Robert Hsuing could easily debunk the malicious myth of boBB being some of the other regulars on this board, but has apparently chosen instead to encourage the myth.
1. I've intended neither to encourage nor to discourage it. I just raised it as a possibility. (Also, other identities wouldn't need to be regulars.)
2. With the current system, I don't think it's so easy to debunk (or to bunk). That's why I'm working on the registration system.
> * we suspect Robert Hsuing and his cabal of student interns have used this web site to selectively deliver destructive viruses to contributors with whom he disagrees.
I haven't done that, and I have no cabal. If I were to do something, I'd just block this handle, too!
It's interesting, your use of "we". That's another possibility: multiple individuals posting under the same name...
Bob
Posted by claire 7 on June 18, 2000, at 21:47:00
In reply to jees...., posted by Peter C on June 18, 2000, at 19:14:34
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I knew that Peter C was the only pseudonym for the boBB character in this thread. Knew it immediately. It seemed to me there was no attempt to disguise that fact. What I can't understand is why it is so difficult for some other (very vocal) people here to comprehend the obvious. I come back to the notion that these few vocal persons need to read literature!! Or read philosophy. Or read something!!! I'm not, Cam, an "English major" (what a terrible thing to be accused of). You seem every bit as capable of putting 2 sentences together as I do, so I don't buy the poor inarticulate scientist thing, or whatever it is you're saying. (Since when are scientists inarticulate, anyway? I honestly don't understand this theme.) I've gone off track again, I see.
I do think there is an important issue here, about Dr. Husing's conduct. (I don't like the cute dr bob handle. Reminds me too much of my M.D. uncle whom everyone in his small town, including his WIFE, called dr freddy.) It seems to me that Dr Hsuing is relishing and fostering the present discomfort on this board. His well-chosen intrusions, and his well-chosen silences,
strike me as manipulative. I keep suspecting one day we'll read a book all about it. I find him a suspect character, and I wouldn't trust him with my e-mail address for anything. (But apparently, this is naive of me, the dumb computer idiot, the dumb dr god idiot.)
Posted by claire 7 on June 18, 2000, at 22:25:39
In reply to Re: multiple identities, posted by Dr. Bob on June 18, 2000, at 21:31:45
> Started to think I owed you an apology, but further posts proved I didn't. Since I am computer illiterate, though, could somebody tell me if Dr. Hsuing has the capability to end the question of multiple identities? If he does, but choses the e-mail registration route instead, and continues to sting in little suspicions about multiple identities, then shame on him.
Posted by Squiggles on January 14, 2001, at 8:28:45
In reply to Re: Lithium success stories - Are there any?, posted by Todd on June 14, 2000, at 19:56:37
Hi,This is a new post. I have been taking lithium
(900 mg per day) for 20 years. I feel that
this drug has saved my life. I have had only
one adverse side effect - hypothyroidism, for
which I take Synthroid.Unless I am wrong, and there was a misdiagnosis
from an inadvertent valium withdrawal, the
deep despair, and irrepressible mania, which
followed each other like a roller coaster, was
put to a halt within a week of taking lithium.It did take me 3 months to get used to the drug,
as I felt very heavy and urinated frequently.But I have not had one day of depression with
lithium. The major complications came from
a screw up on the thyroid dose.Squiggles
Posted by mars on January 15, 2001, at 4:37:58
In reply to Re: Lithium success stories - Are there any?, posted by Squiggles on January 14, 2001, at 8:28:45
hi everybody ~
i think of my experience with lithium as a partial victory. i was diagnosed as bipolar II (following Akiskal's scheme) in 1994. my pdoc primarily works with treatment-resistant depressives, and counseled me that lithium could take up to a year to work, based on her experience.
i had to start at a very low dose of liquid lithium because i am sensitive to meds and experienced some problems with nausea. lithium took about five months to have an effect on me. i haven't had the same success as Squiggle, but i do feel it has kept me from getting too low or too high. i now take Lithobid which is very easy for me to tolerate - i can even take it on an empty stomach. i modify my dose according to how i am doing, from 300 mg to 900 mg. i also take synthroid and (currently) venlafaxine (effexor). during the course of my treatment the last seven years i have also tried anti-convulsants such as Depakote (terrible weight gain) and Tegretol, but Lithobid has been the best for me.
i know that in some places there is a naturally higher occurrence of lithium in the water supply. sometimes i think i am a descendant of a group who somehow wandered away from such a place =:)
best wishes to everyone dealing with these issues. it was difficult waiting for the lithium to work, but it was worth it for me.
mary
Posted by MAGEE on April 12, 2004, at 15:39:41
In reply to Re: Lithium success stories - Are there any?, posted by Squiggles on January 14, 2001, at 8:28:45
Hi All,
I suffer from lifelong periodic depression and think I may be Bipolar II or III. I am a hard nut to crack and am tired of suffering.
I am thinking of going to Dr Ronald Fieve in NY for a consultation. Has anybody been to him, and if so, what did you think of him?
Thanks
M
Posted by Squiggles on April 12, 2004, at 16:31:46
In reply to Dr Ronald Fieve, posted by MAGEE on April 12, 2004, at 15:39:41
> Hi All,
> I suffer from lifelong periodic depression and think I may be Bipolar II or III. I am a hard nut to crack and am tired of suffering.
> I am thinking of going to Dr Ronald Fieve in NY for a consultation. Has anybody been to him, and if so, what did you think of him?
> Thanks
> MI have only read his book "Moodswing"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553279831/drbobsvirte00-20
- which was
an early classic for popular consumption.I just read that in Canada (Sherbrooke), there
is another bipolar specialist (Dr. Witt) who
may also be consulted. It would be nice
to have a list of such people, including
Dr. Fieve's clinic or private practice address.Squiggles
Posted by SLS on April 12, 2004, at 16:40:27
In reply to Dr Ronald Fieve, posted by MAGEE on April 12, 2004, at 15:39:41
> Hi All,
> I suffer from lifelong periodic depression and think I may be Bipolar II or III. I am a hard nut to crack and am tired of suffering.
> I am thinking of going to Dr Ronald Fieve in NY for a consultation. Has anybody been to him, and if so, what did you think of him?
> Thanks
> M
Hi.How did you come to choose Fieve?
I have not seen him personally, but my impression is that he has been a bit out of the loop over the last ten years. He hasn't written very much lately, but I don't know how much importance to place on that. He became fixated on rubidium a long time ago, and tried to prove that it was somehow the antithesis of lithium, and that it would be an effective antidepressant. I don't think anything came of it. I am sure he would have something different and interesting to offer you. Hopefully, someone here will have more information for you.
Who else were you thinking of seeing?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on April 12, 2004, at 16:58:28
In reply to Re: Dr Ronald Fieve, posted by Squiggles on April 12, 2004, at 16:31:46
> > Hi All,
> > I suffer from lifelong periodic depression and think I may be Bipolar II or III. I am a hard nut to crack and am tired of suffering.
> > I am thinking of going to Dr Ronald Fieve in NY for a consultation. Has anybody been to him, and if so, what did you think of him?
> > Thanks
> > M
>
> I have only read his book "Moodswing"
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553279831/drbobsvirte00-20
>
> - which was
> an early classic for popular consumption.
>
> I just read that in Canada (Sherbrooke), there
> is another bipolar specialist (Dr. Witt) who
> may also be consulted. It would be nice
> to have a list of such people, including
> Dr. Fieve's clinic or private practice address.
>
> Squiggles
- Scott
Posted by Magee on April 12, 2004, at 20:25:34
In reply to Re: Dr Ronald Fieve » MAGEE, posted by SLS on April 12, 2004, at 16:40:27
Hi Scott,
I read his book "Moodswings" and he seems to really know his stuff. Of course he's a real old timer Lithium guy, and there may be someone else out there who's more cutting edge and if so, I'd like to know about him. Right now, I'm on the EAST COAST. I think you are the one who suggested Dr Jensen? But he's all the way out in California, where I'm planning to move, but I'm not there yet and still struggling with debhilitating(sp) depression.I called Jensen's office, but he's no longer doing phone consultations. I have never allowed myself to be evaluated by a really top notch psychiatrist, mostly because my alcoholic (and probably Manic depressive mother) damaged me so much early on by telling me I was "SICK" and kept demanding that I go to a doctor who could tell me what was wrong with me. And of course feeling so persecuted by her I rebelled. I have sought help from everything BUT! I have been to a few P DOCS who did not earn my confidence and have been on a few antidepressants which did help ~ although Prozac made me have angry outbursts and just a little too happy if you know what I mean, leading me, based on what I've been reading in Fieve's book to believe I have a moodswing disorder. I was violent as a teenager but I also grew up in a violent alcoholic household and was beaten up by my father from 2yrs to 18 yrs, and emotionally abused by my mother. ANYWAY.......... I want to go to someone who I have confidence in, tell them my WHOLE history and see what they say. I don't know of anyone else at the moment. I am looking for someone who REALLY knows what they are doing if I'm going to do this at all.
If you or anyone has any ideas, I'd sure be open to them.
Thanks
MHi All,
> > I suffer from lifelong periodic depression and think I may be Bipolar II or III. I am a hard nut to crack and am tired of suffering.
> > I am thinking of going to Dr Ronald Fieve in NY for a consultation. Has anybody been to him, and if so, what did you think of him?
> > Thanks
> > M
>
>
> Hi.
>
> How did you come to choose Fieve?
>
> I have not seen him personally, but my impression is that he has been a bit out of the loop over the last ten years. He hasn't written very much lately, but I don't know how much importance to place on that. He became fixated on rubidium a long time ago, and tried to prove that it was somehow the antithesis of lithium, and that it would be an effective antidepressant. I don't think anything came of it. I am sure he would have something different and interesting to offer you. Hopefully, someone here will have more information for you.
>
> Who else were you thinking of seeing?
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by SLS on April 13, 2004, at 7:39:59
In reply to Re: Dr Ronald Fieve » SLS, posted by Magee on April 12, 2004, at 20:25:34
> > How did you come to choose Fieve?> I read his book "Moodswings" and he seems to really know his stuff. Of course he's a real old timer Lithium guy, and there may be someone else out there who's more cutting edge and if so, I'd like to know about him.
How far away from Boston are you? There are a few people up at Harvard/Mass General who are top notch. I recommend Andrew Nierenberg. He specializes in treatment-resistant cases.
> I think you are the one who suggested Dr Jensen?
No. I am not a big fan of his method of screening for effective medication. Basically, he has his patients try a series of drugs, each trial lasting for only 4-5 days. He then chooses from amongst them the "best match". I am not sure what his criteria are for determining this, but I worry that too many people will not demonstrate such an immediate reaction to a drug that might work wonderfully for them were they to continue it for a few weeks.
Ivan Goldberg has a list on his website of doctors who he recommends.
http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.psychiatrists.html
I liked Patrick McGrath when I saw him on a consultation. He is up at Columbia Presbyterian in NY. That's where Fieve was when I was first treated there twenty years ago.
- Scott
Posted by Squiggles on April 13, 2004, at 8:13:44
In reply to Re: Dr Ronald Fieve, posted by SLS on April 13, 2004, at 7:39:59
That's useful;
Any chance that there is a similar Canadian
list? Actually, it's not for me as my
doctor assured me i don't need a psychiatrist;
but i have a close friend who has had very
bad luck for about 25 years.
The most recent, present combo of the
original AD WITH a benzo is the best she
has ever had (the previous drug was a cousin
of imipramine and was good but possibly too
low, imho) or just not strong enough in itself
and she became depressed after 3 months
of changing from imipramine to Remeron.I had to really try to get her to take
a benzo for the insomnia induced by the AD,
Imipramine (Remeron also had a similar effect).
Twenty-five years of anxiety and insomnia
- NOBODY deserves that. She was recommended
to talk therapy but that didn't help - duh!
The anxiety and insomnia were caused by the
drug -- no amount of talk is going to change that.
But, now i think she is undermedicated in dose or
has "poop-out" (tried many different classes
of drugs), and feels weak and is somewhat depressed, \
though not suicidal. She also has lost appetite,
and is losing weight, and has little energy or
vim for anything. Mercifully, she no longer has
anxiety and can sleep with the benzos.I hope it is not something else. I suggested a
general check up just in case it is not the drugs.Thanks for any suggestions.
Squiggles
Posted by terrics on April 14, 2004, at 20:20:36
In reply to Lithium success stories - Are there any?, posted by SLS on June 14, 2000, at 12:30:43
Success! after trying everything under the sun. Lithium must be far better than any placebo cause no other drugs worked this well for me. I am functioning fairly well. P.S. I am not bipolar, but unipolar which lithium is also used for. It is the best drug I have come across. I have a very smart pdoc. terrics
Posted by CareBear04 on April 15, 2004, at 7:31:58
In reply to Re: Lithium success stories - Are there any?, posted by terrics on April 14, 2004, at 20:20:36
terrics, out of curiosity, how much lithium do you take to help your unipolar depression? it would really help me to know. thanks!
Posted by terrics on April 16, 2004, at 17:32:23
In reply to Re: Lithium success stories - Are there any? » terrics, posted by CareBear04 on April 15, 2004, at 7:31:58
Hi Carebear, I take 600 mgs of long acting lithium daily. p.s. I am on other meds too, but when the lithium was added I started to feel better. terrics
Posted by BDHD on September 1, 2005, at 21:03:40
In reply to Re: Lithium success stories - Are there any? » terrics » CareBear04, posted by terrics on April 16, 2004, at 17:32:23
To those who read this,
I am looking for useful info on bipolar. My boyfriend is a bipolar suspect. We have tried to get into to see a physiciatrist to get him a diagnosis but the waiting lists are long and you can't do much when you are 20yrs old and no health insurance. He is suicidal to top it off and needs help quickly. This is the first that I have heard of salt being a remedy for this illness. If this is true, are there any other things I can do besides Lithium to help him until we can get him diagnosed?
I would love to hear some responses so I know I'm not dealing with this alone!
Your desperate friend,
BDHD
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