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Posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 23:02:40
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 21:30:39
> Yep, right on about the thread! I understand and it would probably go on the Psychology board I'm thinking.
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> If busy and can't post right away, and if I've not gotten back to you, would appreciate you pls babble me so I could follow it.
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> I have never clicked on my name on that page that comes up, maybe the home page. I wonder if that is something others find useful.
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> tks for response, cf
Don't you think it should go on the meds page? It might get redirected somewhere but I think it would get the most attention there from the people who'd be most likely ot be interested.Marsha
Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:04:19
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 15, 2005, at 21:30:39
No, will post on the main site. The HPA Axis and elevated cortisol needs a pharmaceutical response to correct it, not a psychological approach.
Now EMDR is a completely separate ballgame. It is absolutely a psychological approach and is more primarily for traumas and PTSDs and specific emotional issues, those types of things...
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X> Yep, right on about the thread! I understand and it would probably go on the Psychology board I'm thinking.
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> If busy and can't post right away, and if I've not gotten back to you, would appreciate you pls babble me so I could follow it.
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> I have never clicked on my name on that page that comes up, maybe the home page. I wonder if that is something others find useful.
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> tks for response, cf
Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:07:11
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 22:56:45
There are alternatiev therapy (supplements) that can be used and some of them have farily decent responses - as long as the elevated cortisol is in the mildly elevated (or especially "high normal" ranges). I will post those in one of the posting once I get the new thread going.
Will probably be a day or two as I need to get the info together just to get it started.
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> > Agree with you on the sharing aspect (I should have thought of that), just that the whole topic of HPA Axis dysfunction and elevation of cortisol and interaction of elevated cortisol with anxiety and depression is off topic from this current thread that we are on and can really go on and on and on.
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> > As far as being controversial, I don't believe that it is - other than the normal controversy that follows a "new" form of therapy.
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> > How about I start a new thread titled "HPA Axis Dysfunction and Cortisol Problems"???
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> > Elroy
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> Hi Elroy,
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> Please do that. I think there are a bunch of us here who'd follow that thread. I know I will. I'd also like to know what remedies people are using to counteract elevated cortisol but I guess that might have to be on the Alternative Board.
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> Marsha
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Posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:24:23
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy, posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 23:02:40
See my other post... i definitely plan on putting it on the Meds page as it definitely deals with Meds (and psychology only in the indirect sense of explaining how the HPA Axis becomes dysfunctional).
Elroy
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X> > Yep, right on about the thread! I understand and it would probably go on the Psychology board I'm thinking.
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> > If busy and can't post right away, and if I've not gotten back to you, would appreciate you pls babble me so I could follow it.
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> > I have never clicked on my name on that page that comes up, maybe the home page. I wonder if that is something others find useful.
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> > tks for response, cf
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> Don't you think it should go on the meds page? It might get redirected somewhere but I think it would get the most attention there from the people who'd be most likely ot be interested.
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> Marsha
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Posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » 4WD, posted by Elroy on June 15, 2005, at 23:24:23
Hi Thursday from 'allergy USA'. I wake every morning w/ puffy swelling around my eyes. Was out late grocery shopping as is so HOT here and have no AC in car. Can you become addicted to these nasal sprays - I'm thinking, IMHO, yes. Tried loratidine w/ and w/o D, then Zyrtec; no help! Thinking maybe ask for something a person w/ asthma would be prescribed. Had air ducts cleaned; I smoke in house but always have windows cracked. Lady above me (condo) had a flood few mos past (Wonder did she repair properly?). I'm breathing in something that isn't good!
I'm just sort of sharing my morning here .. not asking for response, unless someone happens to know something about allergies and has time; I've NEVER had an allergy to anything before!
Elroy -
I don't see Medications listed as a board under Psycho-Babble?
When you say main board; I take it you mean Social.
Best Wishes, cf
Posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 15:24:26
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
Yes, I am following up my own post.
I did an advanced Yahoo search requiring all the words, .. HPA Axis Anti-Cortisol allergy.
I was shocked at all the results that came up, especially because I had added the word, allergy!
Thing is, both allergic symptoms, craving of sugary/salty foods had same time of onset; when began mood stabilizing meds.
Developing shortly thereafter was/is approx. two inch pinch of fat at waistline.
p.s. Am looking into essential oil or blend to use in burner for inhaling .. maybe peppermint, eucalyptus .. still reading.
Best wishes, cf
Posted by Elroy on June 16, 2005, at 19:24:44
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
Right, main board as in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/
> Hi Thursday from 'allergy USA'. I wake every morning w/ puffy swelling around my eyes. Was out late grocery shopping as is so HOT here and have no AC in car. Can you become addicted to these nasal sprays - I'm thinking, IMHO, yes. Tried loratidine w/ and w/o D, then Zyrtec; no help! Thinking maybe ask for something a person w/ asthma would be prescribed. Had air ducts cleaned; I smoke in house but always have windows cracked. Lady above me (condo) had a flood few mos past (Wonder did she repair properly?). I'm breathing in something that isn't good!
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> I'm just sort of sharing my morning here .. not asking for response, unless someone happens to know something about allergies and has time; I've NEVER had an allergy to anything before!
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> Elroy -
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> I don't see Medications listed as a board under Psycho-Babble?
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> When you say main board; I take it you mean Social.
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> Best Wishes, cf
Posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 22:58:08
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 13:38:50
> Hi Thursday from 'allergy USA'. I wake every morning w/ puffy swelling around my eyes. Was out late grocery shopping as is so HOT here and have no AC in car. Can you become addicted to these nasal sprays - I'm thinking, IMHO, yes. Tried loratidine w/ and w/o D, then Zyrtec; no help! Thinking maybe ask for something a person w/ asthma would be prescribed. Had air ducts cleaned; I smoke in house but always have windows cracked. Lady above me (condo) had a flood few mos past (Wonder did she repair properly?). I'm breathing in something that isn't good!
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> I'm just sort of sharing my morning here .. not asking for response, unless someone happens to know something about allergies and has time; I've NEVER had an allergy to anything before!
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> Elroy -
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> I don't see Medications listed as a board under Psycho-Babble?
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> When you say main board; I take it you mean Social.
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> Best Wishes, cf
You can definitely get addicted to the nasal sprays. You get rebound congestion that can take days or even weeks to go away.Could be mold in the ceilings. Can your landlord check?
By main board I was meaning the psychobabble board where everybody posts qxs about meds.
Marsha
Posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 23:00:23
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy, posted by corafree on June 16, 2005, at 15:24:26
> Yes, I am following up my own post.
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> I did an advanced Yahoo search requiring all the words, .. HPA Axis Anti-Cortisol allergy.
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> I was shocked at all the results that came up, especially because I had added the word, allergy!
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> Thing is, both allergic symptoms, craving of sugary/salty foods had same time of onset; when began mood stabilizing meds.
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> Developing shortly thereafter was/is approx. two inch pinch of fat at waistline.
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> p.s. Am looking into essential oil or blend to use in burner for inhaling .. maybe peppermint, eucalyptus .. still reading.
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> Best wishes, cfWhich mood stabilizing med? I know a lot of the tricyclics caused me nasal congestion so I would guess others could too.
Marsha
Posted by Church Sec on June 17, 2005, at 8:19:19
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
My dr prescribed Effexor for my hot flashes and night sweats (menopausal). I was weaned from HRT last year and the aforementioned have gotten steadily worse in that time. I started the 37.5 mg four days ago. I have three more of them, then go to 75 mg. I've been tired a lot and a bit lethargic, but accept that as "this too shall pass". I am also taking 50mg Tramadol 2x a day for back pain and .5 mg of Clonapin at night for leg cramps. The Clonapin helps me sleep. I wonder if the Tramadol interacts with the big 'E'.
A bit of an appetite loss, but I will embrace that! I'm 58 years old. Must admit some of the postings have scared me. (Oh, I was taking St. John's Wort for mild depression, and I've quit that when I began the Effexor.) Any comments?
Posted by corafree on June 17, 2005, at 9:04:40
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy, posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 23:00:23
Hi Marsha. Tks for the interesting info.
I am on Seroquel h.s. (hour of sleep) and Trileptal 9a and 6p.
This has really got me thinking, and that’s not good for nurse, PCP, P, and maybe even pharmacist, as not one of them connected the dots here. These trade-offs are so frustrating!
I’d cut the Seroquel to 25 mg h.s. and Trileptal to 150 morn and 150 eve, as was very uncomfortably bloated (It looked like I was pregnant!) even w/o eating the craved junk food. Was not sure which drug was worst culprit; someone suggested maybe Seroquel.
These are not tricyclics (as I know), but I’ve been around the psych drug arena long enough to know it is no coincidence that I am having similar side effects.
I had scanned the side effects of Seroquel and Trileptal, and saw visual disturbances (Thought maybe would eventually have to get a new eye prescription.), but never imagined the side effect of allergy symptoms. I’ve been on every AD that’s out there in the past and have never had this side effect.
Traded my appearance for emotional stability; not sure why I should be willing to sacrifice, what is a big part of my self-esteem. Oh, and I’m becoming addicted to nose sprays to boot, and yes, feel the rebound.
That image of the girl on Willy Wonka that turned into the blueberry still haunting me!
best wishes, cf
> > Yes, I am following up my own post.
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> > I did an advanced Yahoo search requiring all the words, .. HPA Axis Anti-Cortisol allergy.
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> > I was shocked at all the results that came up, especially because I had added the word, allergy!
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> > Thing is, both allergic symptoms, craving of sugary/salty foods had same time of onset; when began mood stabilizing meds.
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> > Developing shortly thereafter was/is approx. two inch pinch of fat at waistline.
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> > p.s. Am looking into essential oil or blend to use in burner for inhaling .. maybe peppermint, eucalyptus .. still reading.
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> > Best wishes, cf
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> Which mood stabilizing med? I know a lot of the tricyclics caused me nasal congestion so I would guess others could too.
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> Marsha
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Posted by haddsl on June 17, 2005, at 9:47:37
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy, posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 23:00:23
I am curious about what you wrote about the craving of sugery/salty things. I noticed a huge increase in my sweet tooth when I startd my meds. I am trying to fight the cravings. Can you elaborate on this topic?
Thanks,
haddsl> > Yes, I am following up my own post.
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> > I did an advanced Yahoo search requiring all the words, .. HPA Axis Anti-Cortisol allergy.
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> > I was shocked at all the results that came up, especially because I had added the word, allergy!
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> > Thing is, both allergic symptoms, craving of sugary/salty foods had same time of onset; when began mood stabilizing meds.
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> > Developing shortly thereafter was/is approx. two inch pinch of fat at waistline.
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> > p.s. Am looking into essential oil or blend to use in burner for inhaling .. maybe peppermint, eucalyptus .. still reading.
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> > Best wishes, cf
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> Which mood stabilizing med? I know a lot of the tricyclics caused me nasal congestion so I would guess others could too.
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> Marsha
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Posted by Dr. Bob on June 18, 2005, at 11:09:29
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » corafree, posted by 4WD on June 16, 2005, at 22:58:08
> Could be mold in the ceilings. Can your landlord check?
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding mold in the ceilings to Psycho-Babble Health. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/health/20050411/msgs/514893.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Elroy on June 19, 2005, at 9:51:51
In reply to RE: HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Therapy » Elroy, posted by 4WD on June 15, 2005, at 22:56:45
Part One of HPA Axis and Anti-Cortisol Treatments has been posted this morning on the Main Board...
Elroy
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> > Agree with you on the sharing aspect (I should have thought of that), just that the whole topic of HPA Axis dysfunction and elevation of cortisol and interaction of elevated cortisol with anxiety and depression is off topic from this current thread that we are on and can really go on and on and on.
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> > As far as being controversial, I don't believe that it is - other than the normal controversy that follows a "new" form of therapy.
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> > How about I start a new thread titled "HPA Axis Dysfunction and Cortisol Problems"???
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> > Elroy
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> Hi Elroy,
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> Please do that. I think there are a bunch of us here who'd follow that thread. I know I will. I'd also like to know what remedies people are using to counteract elevated cortisol but I guess that might have to be on the Alternative Board.
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> Marsha
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Posted by jesica on June 24, 2005, at 10:05:01
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? YES!, posted by blueyezzzzzz on June 15, 2005, at 16:18:29
Hi there,
I started effexor xr at 37.5 mg 3 weeks ago, the second week I went up to 75 mg and 4 days ago up to 150 mg. I've been having lots of side effects like extremely tiered all day, unable to sleep at night, constipated, extremely hungry, very shaky. Also for the past few days I've been having shortness of breath. I thought this medication was supposed to make the shortness of breath stop???? The only good thing I can say about it is that I don't get upset over things any more but I do notice that my mind is going 100 km/hr all day and night. Is that normal?? I've never taken any other medication before and I feel so different, I feel like I am not my self, I can't seem to focus and have no energy to do anything. My doctor said this was going to give me more energy...I really don't get this!!! What do you guys suggest I do, should I quit now or wait a few more weeks???? PLESE HELP!!!
Posted by haddsl on June 24, 2005, at 10:12:52
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by jesica on June 24, 2005, at 10:05:01
If you can stand it, I would wait a while. It is a miracle drug for me. I know most people say the side effects last about 2 weeks. I was on overdrive as well, and had some trouhble sleeping, but it went away. Good Luck!
> Hi there,
> I started effexor xr at 37.5 mg 3 weeks ago, the second week I went up to 75 mg and 4 days ago up to 150 mg. I've been having lots of side effects like extremely tiered all day, unable to sleep at night, constipated, extremely hungry, very shaky. Also for the past few days I've been having shortness of breath. I thought this medication was supposed to make the shortness of breath stop???? The only good thing I can say about it is that I don't get upset over things any more but I do notice that my mind is going 100 km/hr all day and night. Is that normal?? I've never taken any other medication before and I feel so different, I feel like I am not my self, I can't seem to focus and have no energy to do anything. My doctor said this was going to give me more energy...I really don't get this!!! What do you guys suggest I do, should I quit now or wait a few more weeks???? PLESE HELP!!!
>
Posted by jesica on June 24, 2005, at 10:56:13
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by haddsl on June 24, 2005, at 10:12:52
I think I can put up with it, I'm use to sleeping 5 hours a night anyway so sleeping 3 for a while wont make a difference. I think that what bothers me the most is that I am tiered all day and its really affecting my work, I can't look at the computer for too long because I feel like my head is going to drop and bang it against the monitor..lol..I have to keep on getting up and going for walks. I also herd the working out helps allot. I use to go to the gym 4 or 5 times a week but since I've been on this I have no energy to do anything. I'm going to try to take it easy this weekend and start going to the gym next week and see of that maybe helps. I really hope the shortness of breath stops because it’s so scary, I feel like I am suffocating
Posted by 4WD on June 24, 2005, at 21:19:38
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by jesica on June 24, 2005, at 10:56:13
> I think I can put up with it, I'm use to sleeping 5 hours a night anyway so sleeping 3 for a while wont make a difference. I think that what bothers me the most is that I am tiered all day and its really affecting my work, I can't look at the computer for too long because I feel like my head is going to drop and bang it against the monitor..lol..I have to keep on getting up and going for walks. I also herd the working out helps allot. I use to go to the gym 4 or 5 times a week but since I've been on this I have no energy to do anything. I'm going to try to take it easy this weekend and start going to the gym next week and see of that maybe helps. I really hope the shortness of breath stops because it’s so scary, I feel like I am suffocating
Hi. Effexor worked great for me for about 4 years (before it pooped out). Getting off it was awful but that's another story. Anyway, I didn't have any of the startup effects you are having. I had some sexual side effects, ears ringing (which never went away) and decrease in hunger. Maybe a little constipation. I started sleeping much better within a week or two. And it stopped or lowered the mind racing thing within a couple of weeks.
Marsha
Posted by Annie57 on June 24, 2005, at 23:33:08
In reply to Bruxism Re: Effexor - Exercise - Better Experience » angela528, posted by LynnPerley on June 21, 2002, at 21:49:17
I have been on Effexor for 6 months. For the last month my husband and I have started walking a mile a day. I pant after the 1st quarter mile and continue till we make it the whole mile. It takes us 23 mins to walk the mile and we are not getting any faster because I can't go any faster. Also, when I turn my head I get this weird light headed feeling and my hearing comes and goes. Does anyone else have the hearing, equilibium issue.
Posted by jaamey76 on June 25, 2005, at 13:59:59
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I have recently began treatment with Effexor XR, in my second week, and am now at 75mg. I was wondering if Effexor can affect your bladder. It seems that about 2 days after I started the medication, I have continuously had the feeling that I have to urinate, or that something is pressing on my bladder. I have been tested for a bladder infection, and it came back negative. The doctor doesn't seem to be worried, and doesn't think it has anything to do with the medication. Unfortunately that doesn't help me, as I am the one that is uncomfortable, and I am not imagining it. I have been on and off meds for Anxiety/Depression for 8 years, with not much success, and am very reluctant to stay on a medication that can cause the abundance of problems I have been reading and can relate to. It has been 2 weeks, I don't feel any better, and to be honest, I think I feel worse. I am also sick to my stomach, shakey, I keep being shaken out of sleep (as if I am falling), and I find keeping up a normal conversation is more difficult, (like finding the right words, almost stuttering, and forgeting what I was going to say). The doctor that prescribed this to me is not a psychiatrist, and is not my regular doctor, as I have just moved. She told me the drug wouldn't be in my system yet, and none of these issues would have anything to do with it. I feel like I am losing my mind more than ever!!!
Posted by ed_uk on June 25, 2005, at 15:52:04
In reply to Re: Bruxism Re: Effexor - Exercise - Better Experience, posted by Annie57 on June 24, 2005, at 23:33:08
Hi,
>when I turn my head I get this weird light headed feeling.....
This is often reported as a withdrawal symptom. Perhaps you are having mild withdrawal symptoms when the Effexor blood level is low - try taking half your daily dose in the morning and half in the evening. I hope it helps.
~Ed
Posted by Annie57 on June 25, 2005, at 16:19:48
In reply to Re: Bruxism Re: Effexor - Exercise - Better Experience » Annie57, posted by ed_uk on June 25, 2005, at 15:52:04
Ed, That is probably it. I take 3 capsules a day and I don't take the 2nd one at the same time everyday like I should so I am probably going thru minor withdrawal. Thanks alot. Annie 57
Posted by redjr on June 25, 2005, at 23:19:45
In reply to Effexor XR Side Effects, posted by jaamey76 on June 25, 2005, at 13:59:59
> I have recently began treatment with Effexor XR, in my second week, and am now at 75mg. I was wondering if Effexor can affect your bladder. It seems that about 2 days after I started the medication, I have continuously had the feeling that I have to urinate, or that something is pressing on my bladder. I have been tested for a bladder infection, and it came back negative. The doctor doesn't seem to be worried, and doesn't think it has anything to do with the medication. Unfortunately that doesn't help me, as I am the one that is uncomfortable, and I am not imagining it. I have been on and off meds for Anxiety/Depression for 8 years, with not much success, and am very reluctant to stay on a medication that can cause the abundance of problems I have been reading and can relate to. It has been 2 weeks, I don't feel any better, and to be honest, I think I feel worse. I am also sick to my stomach, shakey, I keep being shaken out of sleep (as if I am falling), and I find keeping up a normal conversation is more difficult, (like finding the right words, almost stuttering, and forgeting what I was going to say). The doctor that prescribed this to me is not a psychiatrist, and is not my regular doctor, as I have just moved. She told me the drug wouldn't be in my system yet, and none of these issues would have anything to do with it. I feel like I am losing my mind more than ever!!!
jaamey76,
I cannot tell from your post if male or female. If you are a male, you may be experiencing Prostatitis. This condition makes you feel like you have to go all the time - and never quite finish - just kinda of dribbles out. Are those your symptoms? I couldn't stay on Effexor for that reason, so I don't know if that particular side-affect will go away with time. Other primary reasons for getting off Effexor were negative sexual side-affects. Can't have any of that now! I felt tired all the time too, but that's probably related to me not getting enough sleep!
Good luck,
redjr...
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on June 26, 2005, at 5:58:22
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts/experience with Effexor and motivation/energy/concentration. I have been on Celexa (cipramil) and I'm now starting the effexor 75mg because I have no energy or motivation. I can sleep 12+ hours a day. I'm abit worried about all the side effects I keep reading about, but I have been on it before in the past (when energy levels weren't a problem), and the only one I can remember is the brain zaps. Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated.
Posted by TinMan on June 26, 2005, at 9:41:35
In reply to Effexor XR Side Effects, posted by jaamey76 on June 25, 2005, at 13:59:59
Every person's response to a drug are different. I have been told and have read that some have side effects immediately from Effexor. Stick to your guns - make sure that your Dr. knows what you are experiencing. If Effexor does not work for you, tell your Dr., be pushy if you must, and try something else. I have found through some difficult trial and error that some Dr.'s are not experts in every area. One therapist and Dr. that I USED to go to didn't know about the alcohol cravings that Paxil can/may cause. They kept upping my dose!!!! It was not a good thing for me, at all. The Effexor seems to make my thinking slower, so I have a hard time finding the right words, lose my train of thought and that sort of thing. I feel like I don't have any "wit" or sense of humor at all. (No "snappy come backs" here!) I am on 225 mg/day and am wondering if that may be too much. Any comments?
Now where did I put my oil can?
TinMan
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