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Posted by Shy_Girl on May 7, 2005, at 22:38:49
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
Yes, it is true...suffering is simply part of the human condition. Centuries of people have endured it. There is no such thing as a pill to make one happy. Pills don't change who you are. Change must come from within oneself.
I feel very sad after reading your story. I cannot change who I am and nothing outside of myself can. Thank-you for letting me see the truth. You story was very true.
Posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 23:06:43
In reply to Re: Please read my short story, posted by Shy_Girl on May 7, 2005, at 22:38:49
I have been foolish in many of my decisions. Many were made from want, and not need. This, I feel has been a very destructive path for me.
Cosmo Kramer from "Seinfeld" said it best: "why go out in the park and fly a kite when you can just pop a pill?" I guess I just have been stuck in that frame of mind. But now its starting to catch up with me.
Linkadge
Posted by Declan on May 8, 2005, at 0:48:51
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » Shy_Girl, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 23:06:43
Thanks Link, that was great. Why not become a herbalist?
Declan
Posted by snapper on May 8, 2005, at 1:18:14
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » linkadge, posted by Slinky on May 7, 2005, at 22:14:00
> That was an amazing post
Ditto! Link are you sure mathematics is *really* what you shooting for? I would love if my Brain could formulate and construct all the insightful, funny but yet sadly; true perspective and verbosity on the subject of....the marketing of a *disease*! Damn these brain mal-functions and to h%ll with big pharma who perhaps wants to keep millions of us sick,less than well, full of apathy, lassitude, suicidal thinking a glass of a life half full or half empty and just hoping that maybe, just maybe the scientists and chemists and ceo's at the helm of the mega gazillion dollar empires of "Psychophamacolgy" would ever give us a chance at a full rich and rewarding life! My gosh how terrible would it be if instead of creating testing and comparing more, "new" tweaked and sexier versions of SSRI'S Nari's, and the like....if they would go back to the idea of persuing drugs.. other drugs like brofaromine, befloxatone and moai's that really do work far better than 99% of the crap that is discussed on this board( nothing against PB we all love it here) !! But honestly folks can anybody out there fathom what the world could gain and benefit from several million LESS sick and floundering brains could do for the good of society. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ greed , WTF!??
sorry about my ramble I loved Links' post! I hope I have not offended any body with this little rant but damn it I am sick and tired of being sick and tired and I want my brain and my life back !! I am jaded and pi$&ed at this beast!
My best to my fellow suffering souls here on PB and else where as well!Thanks for letting me share my dis-content -
Snapper
Posted by medhed on May 8, 2005, at 2:24:23
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
very deep. i'm impressed!
Posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 2:33:29
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » Slinky, posted by snapper on May 8, 2005, at 1:18:14
I agree with you snapper.
You know there's something wrong when Pfizer
takes such great lengths to show that SJW is
no better than a placebo, but fails to mention
that in the same study Zoloft did worse than SJW.There are a LOT of people in this situation right now. Polypharmachology has gone through the roof. Untested combinations are being prescribed left and right. And poop out is exceedingly common.
The brain cells just can't handle the load.
It discusts me that when I go to the doctor and tell him, that the medication is practically giving me convulsions he says "yeah that can happen" and does nothing about it.
I wish, just for once, that the tables would turn.
And I could say to him: "walking straight really isn't that big a deal these days !"Don't turn me into a vegetable and then ship me off to another doctor. If you're going to drag me into early senility, you'd better be prepared to dig me back out.
Sorry for the ranting. Perhpas one day I'll find a doctor who prescribes other than paxil 60mg and zyprexa 10mg.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on May 8, 2005, at 6:21:14
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
> P.S. Sorry for being so temporal lobe.
Perhaps ultra-rapid cycling bipolar disorder should be looked at before anything as compartmentalized as the temporal lobe. Your depression does seem to cycle viciously and is resistant to standard antidepressant treatment.
Just a thought.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk on May 8, 2005, at 11:14:56
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
Link,
You have to be one of the most thoughtful people I have ever known! Well, I suppose I don't 'know' you in 'real life' but you do get to know people quite well on babble.
>At this point you would never know how, a job at Mc'donnalds, a best friend, and a phonecall from your mom every evening would have lead to a much more fufilling life.
>The years of avoiding the real problem plus a general disregard for the sensitivity of such a profoundly precious gift..........What do *you* think would make you feel better? (I'm not talking about medication btw!) It's true that friends are important, we can't survive without them.
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by Ritch on May 8, 2005, at 11:29:26
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
>.."You've learned how the paxil can make you less angry at your boss, and how the wellbutrin can make you get your work done faster. The clonazepam makes the crowed ride home on the bus easier, and the zyprexa can always defunk it all if things get problematic."
Indiscriminate psych med use is definitely changing the culture.. kind of a "productivity fascism" of sorts.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 8, 2005, at 12:11:28
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
This story might not've been so bleak had the protagonist taken decent medications prescribed by a physician with a little more humanity inspiring a whole lot more cogitation about what he writes on the prescription pad. :(
Posted by MidnightBlue on May 8, 2005, at 14:39:11
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
I read your story, and I can't help but think of the first time I took a psych med. The first several were prescribed by a neurologist to try to stem severe migraine headaches. None of them worked.
Then there was the time I really needed them. The time that I was severely depressed and for months on end could think about nothing but death and how I longed for it. ADs and a good pdoc are the only thing that pulled me though. But that was long before ads promising the patient a better life if they just swallow a certain pill.
I tend to think of drug ads the same way I do ads for wrinkle cream. They both might puff you up a little bit, but the results aren't lasting.
MidnightBlue
Posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 15:39:12
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » linkadge, posted by SLS on May 8, 2005, at 6:21:14
I've thought about what you have thought.
The problem is that (and perhaps my story reveals it). Just the act of going to the doctor causes enough termoil that the doctor consistantly gets the wrong impression of what I may have.
Thats why I'm just begging for a new slate. That darned patient chart sticks to me like a curse.
I'm my oppinion it is just full of nonsense.Thats another reason I get suicidal at times, cause I figure that I may have had a chance to get better, but doctors think they know you better than you know yourself.
Driving 2.5 hours for an 8 minaute appointment is a recipe for disaster.
There is virtually no way out of this. I had to wait 6 months for this guy.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2005, at 17:12:01
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » linkadge, posted by MidnightBlue on May 8, 2005, at 14:39:11
And after that there's the problem of finding a therapist that isn't trying to get better herself. The one my pdoc gave me[works for her], says she has depression and takes prozac. When I used some terms we use on PBabble like tweak your meds, she immediately said"Maybe Dr. needs to tweak yours. Maybe she's here right now! So how do you find a therapist who isn't suckered in by the med companies too? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 18:09:24
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » MidnightBlue, posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2005, at 17:12:01
Its those days where I feel awefully justified to drop my meds and pick up a bad habit.
Linkadge
Posted by Ritch on May 8, 2005, at 18:18:30
In reply to Re: Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 18:09:24
> Its those days where I feel awefully justified to drop my meds and pick up a bad habit.
>
> LinkadgeI just found an update with a couple of links at psycheducation.org that were interesting:
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/13/torrey-e.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0404.brownlee.html
What worries me a lot, is not so much that I will be on a medication that harms or doesn't work well, but due to all the smoke being blown by industry, something that *does* work quite well, will get overlooked or swept under the rug.
Posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 19:49:17
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » linkadge, posted by Ritch on May 8, 2005, at 18:18:30
THe drug divalproex offers *much* less protection against suicide than does lithium. Lithium has gone out of favor however since its not a big money maker.
As if suicide wasn't an important factor when deciding to try a drug! There will be no reps running around pushing doctors to prescribe lithium more.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2005, at 19:50:19
In reply to Re: Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 18:09:24
I told you this was a great Thread! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Ritch on May 8, 2005, at 21:40:55
In reply to Re: Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 19:49:17
> THe drug divalproex offers *much* less protection against suicide than does lithium. Lithium has gone out of favor however since its not a big money maker.
>
> As if suicide wasn't an important factor when deciding to try a drug! There will be no reps running around pushing doctors to prescribe lithium more.
>
> Linkadge
>Lithium may offer more "protection" against suicide, but it didn't address my rapid-cycling bipolar as well as divalproex. I'm more stable now generally, than when I was on lithium. VPA was developed in the '70's-generic is available I think. It is the enteric and ER formulations of it that maintain Abbott's revenue stream. It does make me wonder why other pharma co.'s can't come out with a competing enteric coated version..
Posted by rjlockhart98 on May 8, 2005, at 22:03:22
In reply to Re: Please read my short story, posted by Shy_Girl on May 7, 2005, at 22:38:49
i dont have that mind set. becuaes my mind always will say, pshh nothing will work.
I rather see a Xanax commercial, but im even resistant to that, benzodiazepines sometimes give me a paradox ride of anxiety and dissociation.
I need to tune out these negative thoughts with an anti-psychotic, then make my choice.
Posted by snapper on May 8, 2005, at 23:36:49
In reply to Re: Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 18:09:24
> Its those days where I feel awefully justified to drop my meds and pick up a bad habit.
>
> LinkadgeDude, I think about it every day! I have been sober for over 31/2 yrs. and sometimes I just feel like saying F&%K it ! Its a tough road man and I am sorry you are suffering so much. BTW I forgot how is Canada about r/xing benzos and do they help you at all ?
Snapper
Posted by linkadge on May 9, 2005, at 6:21:24
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » linkadge, posted by snapper on May 8, 2005, at 23:36:49
Depends on the dr.
Benzo's do help but I build a tollerance extremely quickly.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on May 9, 2005, at 7:01:27
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » SLS, posted by linkadge on May 8, 2005, at 15:39:12
> Thats why I'm just begging for a new slate. That darned patient chart sticks to me like a curse.lol
I would probably do the same thing you are.
My last two doctors didn't want to see my past records. However, I told them that I had bipolar depression from the outset. Perhaps I should have just let them interview me without offering any information. Hmm.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on May 9, 2005, at 19:26:32
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » linkadge, posted by SLS on May 9, 2005, at 7:01:27
I am not sure what to do.
I am fairly convinced that I should be back on epival, but have no clue how to go about it.
Linkadge
Posted by Mr.Scott on May 12, 2005, at 1:28:35
In reply to Please read my short story, posted by linkadge on May 7, 2005, at 21:11:15
Agreed. Best to stay away from medicalizing emotional problems. Even if they are organic, the brain wants to do it's thing and our messing with it probably only makes things worse in the long run. We know nothing, and we are actually no better off than we were before Prozac was invented.
My advice to anyone is to steer clear of psychiatry unless you're so insane that brain damage doesn't matter.
Basically everyone has mental illness these days, and I blame both capitalism and the innate desire to feel good (even when you might not supposed to be feeling good). As a society perhaps our downfall will be psychiatric drugs just as rome was brought down by other noxious influences.
Posted by linkadge on May 12, 2005, at 17:16:34
In reply to Re: Please read my short story » linkadge, posted by Mr.Scott on May 12, 2005, at 1:28:35
I think we are thinking along the same lines.
I think that medications have their place but these days it is as if drug companies are trying to get as many people to take their drugs as possable. As a result, the symptoms of depression become less severe.
Now, two weeks of "Not feeling as good as you used to be" necessitates a full dose of an SSRI.
I never thought I would be one of those "antipsychiatry" type of people. Especially after I had such an amazing recovery. Perhaps we are just some of the unfortunate ones in that our drugs don't seem to keep working, but I think it is more than that.
I think even the idea of "getting help" was an amazing step.
Perhaps its just me, but I get profoundly depressed when I hear about the number of people who take these medications. You'd like to be able to think that your problems are because of something wrong with you. But if everybody takes them, then there's really nothing wrong with you.
Linkadge
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