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Posted by rainbowbrite on April 17, 2005, at 21:46:37
Have benzos affected the things anyone says? When I take them I end up saying much more than I would normally. I dont take them that often but I get somewhat loopy on them I think and just free flow words. At relatively low doses too. After the effects wear off I cant figure out why I said certain things. Is this normal...Is it just that they disinhibit?
Thanks
Posted by mattw84 on April 17, 2005, at 22:02:03
In reply to Benzodiazapines and what you say?, posted by rainbowbrite on April 17, 2005, at 21:46:37
Again this is one I will have to refer over to my good friends at http://www.benzoforum.org -- they are all benzo users and have the answer to any question you could possibly come up with! Be sure and let them know Mw1984 sent you as well!
Regards,
Matt
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2005, at 23:00:42
In reply to Benzos, benzos, benzos... » rainbowbrite, posted by mattw84 on April 17, 2005, at 22:02:03
Matt, I copied down that site. I clicked it on now but I'm tired. So, I will definitely join tomorrow and will tell them you sent me. Fondly,Phillipa
Posted by lunesta on April 18, 2005, at 3:27:51
In reply to Benzodiazapines and what you say?, posted by rainbowbrite on April 17, 2005, at 21:46:37
yes it is normal , benzodizepines purpose is to releive anxiety. they act like having a few beers. read the side effects you got with it. one should be "disinhibition" or "feeling drunk". there ya go
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 18, 2005, at 8:57:39
In reply to Re: Benzodiazapines and what you say? » rainbowbrite, posted by lunesta on April 18, 2005, at 3:27:51
I didnt get a side effect sheet but Ill look one up.
Its just that the reaction Im referring to is differnet than how I react to alcohol. Who knows... I just wont take it if Im about to be interogated LOL :-)
Posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 10:28:02
In reply to Benzodiazapines and what you say?, posted by rainbowbrite on April 17, 2005, at 21:46:37
Hi!
>Have benzos affected the things anyone says?
Yes! Benzos tend to make me quite rude and impulsive, even at doses which are not sufficient to relieve my anxiety.
Regards,
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 10:30:30
In reply to Benzos, benzos, benzos... » rainbowbrite, posted by mattw84 on April 17, 2005, at 22:02:03
Hi Matt!
I have a question. Do you think you would have been able to study medicine without Xanax? (I think you said you've been on Xanax for a long time)
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 11:30:51
In reply to Re: Benzos, benzos, benzos... » mattw84, posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 10:30:30
Ed,
I highly doubt that I would have studied anything without it. I was pretty much a hermit and inspite of having registering for classes I refused to go...
However, I now am attempting to withdrawal from them -- wishing I had found another way originally...
Regards,
Matt
Posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 11:45:18
In reply to Benzos, benzos, benzos... » ed_uk, posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 11:30:51
Hi Matt,
>However, I now am attempting to withdrawal from them...
Are you doing a diazepam taper?
Ed.
Posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 14:04:49
In reply to Re: Benzos, benzos, benzos... » mattw84, posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 11:45:18
Ed,
I am not doing any taper actually... 50% of long-term benzo users can quit cold-turkey with minimal adverse effect.
I was originally going to do the cross-taper (Ashtown?) but that would put me at completion 18 months down the road. Aside, I am just eager to move on without my little crutch.
Sunday @ 2PM was my last 3mg dose of Xanax XR. The rest is just history right?? =D
Also have arranged access to seconal with my attending should it come down to it... which it won't...
Thanks for asking Ed!
Regards,
Matt
Posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 14:15:08
In reply to Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » ed_uk, posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 14:04:49
Hi Matt!
>I am not doing any taper actually...
Why not do a short taper? If your anxiety returns you could always use a small dose of Xanax (as opposed to 3mg).
>Also have arranged access to seconal with my attending should it come down to it...
You could just use a benzo.
Regards,
Ed.
Posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 14:24:03
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » mattw84, posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 14:15:08
Ed,
> Why not do a short taper? If your anxiety returns you could always use a small dose of Xanax (as opposed to 3mg).
That would be defeating the purpose, pro re nata use is likely to lead only to worsening of overall withdrawal symptoms. Like... I could jump off the horse once, or just hang on to the reigns and let it drag me around...> You could just use a benzo.
I could, but frankly - seconal just sounds like so much more fun. =D
Thanks much Ed,
Matt
Posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 14:36:53
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » ed_uk, posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 14:24:03
Hi Matt,
After your withdrawal is complete, you could consider using Xanax prn for severe anxiety. I do not know whether this will be necessary, it's just a suggestion. Benzos can be very useful for the prn treatment of severe anxiety.
You *may* be physically dependent on Xanax but you are not a 'drug addict' AFAIK! There is no reason to avoid Xanax completely in future, prn use will not re-establish physical dependence. It's only necessary to avoid a drug completely if there's been a psychological 'addiction' eg. alcohol in a former 'alcoholic'.
I'm not sure why you've decided to withdraw overnight, I would not want you to experience intense anxiety or have a seizure.
Ed.
Posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 17:58:41
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » mattw84, posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 14:36:53
> Hi Matt,
>
> After your withdrawal is complete, you could consider using Xanax prn for severe anxiety. I do not know whether this will be necessary, it's just a suggestion. Benzos can be very useful for the prn treatment of severe anxiety.
>
> You *may* be physically dependent on Xanax but you are not a 'drug addict' AFAIK! There is no reason to avoid Xanax completely in future, prn use will not re-establish physical dependence. It's only necessary to avoid a drug completely if there's been a psychological 'addiction' eg. alcohol in a former 'alcoholic'.
>
> I'm not sure why you've decided to withdraw overnight, I would not want you to experience intense anxiety or have a seizure.
>
> Ed.Ed,
It's not overnight per se, and perhaps I am crazy for wanting to withdraw immediately. I can only say that I am not gaining anything by taking the Xanax other than a stigma from my peers.
I have no addiction - psychologically, and I would have anticipated physical withdrawal symptoms to have began to precipitate by this point. Undoubtedly I will experience some symptomatic withdrawals, but I have a stable mindset going into this and that is a large factor to consider. ..
Inspite of my medical training, my B.S. in Psychology still holds water in that there is much to be said for "mind over matter."
*Also - the treatment was originally treatment for agoraphobia, not relative to panic nor generalized anxiety.
I much appreciate your concern -- and I am definately paying attention to what signals my body is sending. However, you need not worry - granted the fact that I am not. =D 3mg b.i.d. to zero, that has to be some kind of world record right??
Thanks again Ed!Matt
Posted by paulbwell on April 18, 2005, at 18:11:48
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » ed_uk, posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 17:58:41
Hey Matt,
Are you studing Medicine? with Ed?
I figure to have access to Seconal you gota be in Medical circles?
Posted by ed_uk on April 19, 2005, at 6:56:25
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » mattw84, posted by paulbwell on April 18, 2005, at 18:11:48
Hi p,
>with Ed?
I'm not studying medicine!
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on April 19, 2005, at 8:34:50
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » ed_uk, posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 17:58:41
Hi Matt!
Best of luck :-)
Ed.
Posted by mattw84 on April 19, 2005, at 23:20:10
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » mattw84, posted by ed_uk on April 19, 2005, at 8:34:50
He's not... but he should be if you ask me =D
Matt
Posted by paulbwell on April 20, 2005, at 1:36:04
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » mattw84, posted by ed_uk on April 19, 2005, at 8:34:50
> Hi Matt!
>
> Best of luck :-)
>
> Ed.
>
>
You menyion your 'attending' and Seconal are you in hospital or something?
Posted by mattw84 on April 20, 2005, at 11:02:45
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » ed_uk, posted by paulbwell on April 20, 2005, at 1:36:04
For learning purposes only... ;D
Matt
Posted by paulbwell on April 20, 2005, at 15:33:28
In reply to Re: Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » paulbwell, posted by mattw84 on April 20, 2005, at 11:02:45
> For learning purposes only... ;D
>
> MattOk you're a 3-4th year Med student, cold turkey 6mgs xanax would nessisatate Seconal i'd think, have you had it before
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 21, 2005, at 20:23:55
In reply to Benzos, Benzos, Benzos... » ed_uk, posted by mattw84 on April 18, 2005, at 14:04:49
When it's all said and done. I wish I would have been more patient or had found another solution as well. 3mg seems high to just stop especially for Xanax. But I agree from experience that at least for me it's easier to just come off and suffer like hell for 2-3 weeks than to drag out incresed anxiety over 18 months. Slow tapers were actually harder than say stopping 1mg clonazepam cold turkey.
In May I shall follow.
Scott
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