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Posted by Dan Perkins on January 1, 2005, at 12:26:46
I was amazed at how just about every news publication bungled the story of the FDA approval of Lyrica. They all reported that it was a big win for Pfizer, but the Wall Street Journal got the story correct of how it was actually bad news. Just shows how most health reporting is basically pharmaceutical company propaganda. Here is an exerpt of the WSJ article (do a google news search on Lyrica to see how all the other publications reported this as a Pfizer victory):
Pfizer Feels More Pain
The Food and Drug Administration slapped Pfizer's new drug, Lyrica, which treats the pain of nerve damage caused by diabetes and shingles, with a "controlled substance" label, making it harder to prescribe. The FDA also rejected it for use in treating epilepsy. In September, the FDA rejected the drug for use in treating anxiety. Pfizer had hoped that Lyrica would take the torch from its fading star Neurontin, a treatment for epilepsy and nerve-damage pain that recently became a cheaper generic version plagued by competing generics. Instead, Lyrica may be less useful and harder to prescribe than Neurontin. "This puts Pfizer in an extremely weak selling position versus their own generic," Richard Evans, pharmaceuticals analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein, told the Wall Street Journal.
Posted by lia mason on January 1, 2005, at 13:54:48
In reply to Lyrica - Not good news, posted by Dan Perkins on January 1, 2005, at 12:26:46
I'm taking Lyrica for pain. My pdoc helped me order it from overseas.
I thought "controlled substance" meant that there was potential for abuse. But I can't imagine how one could abuse this drug. There's no potential for "high" as far as I can see.
I'm on a very low dose because I think it makes me tired. So I can't judge benefits yet.
Lia
Posted by Dan Perkins on January 1, 2005, at 14:38:36
In reply to WOW. Any idea why???, posted by lia mason on January 1, 2005, at 13:54:48
Here's another exerpt, though I couldn't find anything that explains exactly why it is considered a controlled substance. It's a little bit scary that they are having such a hard time with Lyrica when they had no problem getting drugs like Vioxx and Celebrex on the market. Makes me wonder what the real problems with Lyrica are . . ................................................
Lyrica has been delayed for several years. Early on, FDA asked Pfizer to perform more studies on the drug's safety, after some mice taking the drug in early tests developed tumors. Subsequent studies in rats and monkeys found no tumor problems. Three years ago, Pfizer said it would postpone applying for FDA approval until it completed clinical studies to support multiple uses of Lyrica. The company finally submitted its application in 2003 for three indications: epilepsy, anxiety and pain.
In September, the FDA rejected Lyrica as a treatment for generalized anxiety disorder. Pfizer said it hasn't given up on that use. If approved to treat anxiety, Lyrica would be an alternative to antidepressants and older anxiety drugs called benzodiazapenes, such as Valium.
Pfizer said clinical studies of Lyrica involved more than 9,000 patients, making the project one of the largest for a drug active in the central nervous system. The most common side effects were dizziness, sleepiness, swelling from retained fluid, or edema, dry mouth and weight gain.
European regulators approved Lyrica in July to treat nerve pain and as an adjunct to other drugs in managing epilepsy.
Posted by TheOutsider on January 1, 2005, at 15:05:00
In reply to Lyrica - Not good news, posted by Dan Perkins on January 1, 2005, at 12:26:46
For once I'm glad I live in the UK!
At least its not a controlled substance here, although unfortunatly its not indicated for anxiety.
I just need to find a doctor willing to prescribe it.....
Posted by jlbl2l on January 1, 2005, at 18:46:43
In reply to Lyrica - Not good news, posted by Dan Perkins on January 1, 2005, at 12:26:46
Well it makes sense - the drug at higher doses feels very euphoric like GHB or XTC as I said before, and is very useful for anxiety.
Basically though, its super super neurontin.
It is said about the controlled substance label tho.
FDA are idiots though....
Posted by Phillipa on January 1, 2005, at 19:04:03
In reply to Re: Lyrica - Not good news - FDA idiots, posted by jlbl2l on January 1, 2005, at 18:46:43
I think I'm moving to "BabbleLand" where there will be no problems. We will Rx our own meds with the advise of the "Experts" we have here and their multi-talents. We will create a perfect w
orld. What do you think? PhillipaWe will be able to heal ourselves both with traditional meds and alternative, along with CBT, better than we can with our brainwashed pdocs!
Posted by Dan Perkins on January 1, 2005, at 20:04:21
In reply to Re: Lyrica - Not good news - FDA idiots, posted by Phillipa on January 1, 2005, at 19:04:03
What's wrong with these pdocs!?!?!? I guess we can't expect much better from people whose main source of information about what drugs to prescribe comes from the companies that sell them.
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> We will be able to heal ourselves both with traditional meds and alternative, along with CBT, better than we can with our brainwashed pdocs!
Posted by djmmm on January 1, 2005, at 20:44:16
In reply to WOW. Any idea why???, posted by lia mason on January 1, 2005, at 13:54:48
> I'm taking Lyrica for pain. My pdoc helped me order it from overseas.
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> I thought "controlled substance" meant that there was potential for abuse. But I can't imagine how one could abuse this drug. There's no potential for "high" as far as I can see.
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> I'm on a very low dose because I think it makes me tired. So I can't judge benefits yet.
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> Liaapparently, "Euphoric Mood" is cited as a "common" side effect (>1/100)
Posted by TheOutsider on January 2, 2005, at 5:57:23
In reply to Re: Lyrica - Not good news - FDA idiots, posted by Phillipa on January 1, 2005, at 19:04:03
> I think I'm moving to "BabbleLand" where there will be no problems. We will Rx our own meds with the advise of the "Experts" we have here and their multi-talents. We will create a perfect w
> orld. What do you think? Phillipa
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> We will be able to heal ourselves both with traditional meds and alternative, along with CBT, better than we can with our brainwashed pdocs!I couldn't agree more!
In my (limited) experience Pdocs have Egos the size of 747s coupled with a low ability to reason independently!
Posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2005, at 19:02:21
In reply to I'll second that! Philipa for Queen/Grand Master!, posted by TheOutsider on January 2, 2005, at 5:57:23
I accept! Now we need to find a King! Any suggestions? Remember, we need someone who can organize our various talents, and we also need a deserted island to begin our Nation. Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 4, 2005, at 17:56:02
In reply to Re: I'll second that! Philipa for Queen/Grand Master! » TheOutsider, posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2005, at 19:02:21
> I accept! Now we need to find a King! Any suggestions? Remember, we need someone who can organize our various talents, and we also need a deserted island to begin our Nation. Phillipa
Sorry to be a party pooper, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding this new Nation to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20041226/msgs/437772.html
Thanks,
Bob
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