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Posted by T_R_D on April 22, 2004, at 11:51:52
In reply to Re: SID p.s. » T_R_D, posted by katia on April 21, 2004, at 15:06:06
>I wish I were that average person; sigh...
Hey, mental illness give you character! :)
> What meds are you on? Have you found that they help w/ this?
I am on 75mg Effexor, 150mg of Wellbutrin and 50mg of Lamictal (I've only been on the Lamictal for 3 weeks.) I find that there doesn't seem to be anything that improves it. Or rather, completely gets rid of it. If my mood is stable the effect isn't so grandiose. If at a low part of my cycle it's terrible! I think when I'm manic I don't care how much noise anyone makes because I'm probably making it right along with them :D
> I see my pdoc on Monday and will request Paxil. I need help w/ the anxiety part right now. I'm on 450mg of Trileptal and 25mg of Lamictal. The lam. is making me more agitated and anxious.
SSRIs are out for me. They make me completely manic. Zoloft pretty much sent me over the edge with a mixed state overdose that resulted in my first hospitalization. Lamictal has been known to induce hypomania at low doses and/or when starting out. I'm not sure if that's what's happening to me but I'm all for it...it's making me really productive and I'm feeling *smart* on it LOL...I don't think it's mania as a few components are missing from my normal highs. Maybe you need to up the Lamictal? How long have you been on it? Do you find the Trileptal does anything for you? I was on Tegretol (precursor of Trilep.) and it stopped my manias but did nothing for my depression.
Karen
Posted by katia on April 22, 2004, at 14:58:51
In reply to Re: SID p.s., posted by T_R_D on April 22, 2004, at 11:51:52
> SSRIs are out for me. They make me completely manic. Zoloft pretty much sent me over the edge with a mixed state overdose that resulted in my first hospitalization. Lamictal has been known to induce hypomania at low doses and/or when starting out. I'm not sure if that's what's happening to me but I'm all for it...it's making me really productive and I'm feeling *smart* on it LOL...I don't think it's mania as a few components are missing from my normal highs. Maybe you need to up the Lamictal? How long have you been on it? Do you find the Trileptal does anything for you? I was on Tegretol (precursor of Trilep.) and it stopped my manias but did nothing for my depression.
>
Hi Karen,
Wow! you're on two ADs and you're not manic? It sounds like you JUST started the Lamictal. A few weeks ago (two months) I tried WB w/ Trileptal and went loopey crazy. Previously and prior to my BPII dx I had tried Effexor and also went hypomanic on it. Zoloft made me a zombie. Celexa made me an insomniac and worse off. Serzone made me hypo and then just after Serzone exactly a year ago, I got the BPII dx.I started Tril. when I was coming down off a hypo period two months ago and it seemed to soften the blow. But I do feel mildly depressed and anxious. I'm thinking about adding Paxil onto my Trileptal and doing away w/ the Lam. The lam is making my anxiety worse. When I was previously on it, I got that euphoria you talk about, but not this time. So who knows what trileptal is actually doing for me now. I just need to be less tense and anxious. I feel like I have an ulcer. It's terrible. I wake up in pain. Health suffers when there is anxiety.
I'm actually off to the doctor's now to inquire about it. Normally they don't tell me a whole lot. They will probably slap the label irritable bowel syndrome on me and send me off.I have the same experiences w/ the noise. When I'm low, IT'S AWFUL. when I feel good, it's tolerable and when I"m up I fit right in.
Katia
>
Posted by T_R_D on April 22, 2004, at 16:52:24
In reply to Re: SID p.s. » T_R_D, posted by katia on April 22, 2004, at 14:58:51
Yeah, I'm surprised I'm not manic either but for me, I think it's just the SSRIs. I've talked to other bipolar folks that are also on other ADs. Supposedly Wellbutrin is one of the few that doesn't induce mania. My problem with Wellbutrin is that I need the Effexor to make it work and the Wellbutrin to make the Effexor work...weird augmented relationship between the two. Or at least that's what I've guessed in the past. I don't like the Effexor because of the sexual side effects but hey, what can you do? Better that than cycling all over the place. I'm on a low dose of each so sides shouldn't be a problem but they still are. Once things even out with the Lamictal and I get where I need to be, I might ask to go off the Effexor. We'll see. I'm really much more of an anticonvulsant responder--so I'm learning anyway!
Let me know how your appointment went.
Where are you in the world, anyway...I'm in Toronto.
Karen
Posted by Jeff Leeson on April 22, 2004, at 23:04:42
In reply to Sensory Integration Disorder - relief???, posted by katia on April 18, 2004, at 0:42:49
While I don't agree that this is a "disorder," I have experienced these things my entire life. They've had both a positive and negative effect my development, but I see it more as an advantage.
There is a book that specifically addresses these issues that I'm currently reading and have thus far found very helpful. It's called "The Highly Sensitive Person: How to Thrive When the World Overwhelms You" by Elaine N. Aron, Ph.D. Most libraries have it, and it's a quick read, but I suggest anyone interested in the topic take a look at it because it's a very different view from most others, in that it looks upon it as a gift and not a "disorder."
Jeff
Posted by katia on April 23, 2004, at 3:59:30
In reply to Re: SID p.s., posted by T_R_D on April 22, 2004, at 16:52:24
> Yeah, I'm surprised I'm not manic either but for me, I think it's just the SSRIs. I've talked to other bipolar folks that are also on other ADs. Supposedly Wellbutrin is one of the few that doesn't induce mania.
**For me; I"m one of the few that Wellbutrin DID induce some mania! (even combined w/ Triletpal). BTW, do you drink? I noticed when on WB and when I drank I got greedy for more and then I got out of control wild. I had an overall insatiable appetite. (not to be rude - but masterbation lasted forever and I swore I went into some sort of enlightened state). I don't have a boyfriend so it's all I had. In other words, I was hyppppersexual hyper-anything-pleasurable.
>>My problem with Wellbutrin is that I need the Effexor to make it work and the Wellbutrin to make the Effexor work...weird augmented relationship between the two. Or at least that's what I've guessed in the past. I don't like the Effexor because of the sexual side effects but hey, what can you do? Better that than cycling all over the place.
**Are you considered a rapid cycler? I am.>I'm on a low dose of each so sides shouldn't be a problem but they still are. Once things even out with the Lamictal and I get where I need to be, I might ask to go off the Effexor. We'll see. I'm really much more of an anticonvulsant responder--so I'm learning anyway!
**What doses are you on? I need Paxil I think. I'm starting to fall into a deeper and deeper depression. Could be the time of the month;;but this feels scary like I could fall into a hole. My boss tonight at work said he's never seen me like I was tonight "lost". I said "I felt lost". HE told me to take some time if I needed to.
> Let me know how your appointment went.**I've been so crazy busy - NO TIME - I missed the appt. and had to reschedule for next week.
> Where are you in the world, anyway...I'm in Toronto.
**San Francisco Bay area. (East Bay).
Katia
Posted by katia on April 23, 2004, at 4:02:18
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - relief??? » katia, posted by Jeff Leeson on April 22, 2004, at 23:04:42
> While I don't agree that this is a "disorder," I have experienced these things my entire life. They've had both a positive and negative effect my development, but I see it more as an advantage.
>
> There is a book that specifically addresses these issues that I'm currently reading and have thus far found very helpful. It's called "The Highly Sensitive Person: How to Thrive When the World Overwhelms You" by Elaine N. Aron, Ph.D. Most libraries have it, and it's a quick read, but I suggest anyone interested in the topic take a look at it because it's a very different view from most others, in that it looks upon it as a gift and not a "disorder."
>
> JeffHi Jeff,
I have tried to get that book - in other words, been meaning to read it for years. I know part of this is a gift part of it is a curse. It's hard to live in the curse part. But it makes for living a highly dynamic life. Just wish I could find a partner who can put up w/ the wild ride!!!Katia
Posted by T_R_D on April 23, 2004, at 17:17:45
In reply to Re: SID p.s. » T_R_D, posted by katia on April 23, 2004, at 3:59:30
> **For me; I"m one of the few that Wellbutrin DID induce some mania! (even combined w/ Triletpal). BTW, do you drink? I noticed when on WB and when I drank I got greedy for more and then I got out of control wild. I had an overall insatiable appetite. (not to be rude - but masterbation lasted forever and I swore I went into some sort of enlightened state). I don't have a boyfriend so it's all I had. In other words, I was hyppppersexual hyper-anything-pleasurable.
Well, we're all different and these wacky meds can do just about anything, I find. I used to drink...right up until I started the Lamictal! Now I find if I do, I get a headache and sometimes a bit of tummy trouble. I never had that problem with Tegretol. I work with a guy that takes Teg. for epilepsy and he has the same problem but with a more severe effect. Epilepsy doses are a lot higher though so I don't know if it's dose related. Could be. Hypersexual/anything-pleasureable??? Yep, that was me in my manic state. I lived like that for years. How I did I have no idea. I look back on the behaviour and just my memories make me exhausted. Yeah, I remember when I would masturbate, like 5 times a day or something... Well, okay that's a bit excessive but you get the picture. That can be a given for a guy but not so common with women--haha...
But back to the drinking...I self medicated with alcohol for years...it's so intricately tied to my mania. I still drank to try and compensate for the depressive lows as well...I drank every day for several years...then I kind of dried out for a couple and then straight back at it!
> **Are you considered a rapid cycler? I am.Yes, indeedy!
> **What doses are you on? I need Paxil I think. I'm starting to fall into a deeper and deeper depression. Could be the time of the month;;but this feels scary like I could fall into a hole. My boss tonight at work said he's never seen me like I was tonight "lost". I said "I felt lost". HE told me to take some time if I needed to.
I'm now taking 75mg Effexor, 150mg Wellbutrin and 50mg Lamictal. I've only been on the Lamictal for three weeks so I need to find out how that progresses...if I can stay at this level or if it needs to be increased. It's doing a good job but supposedly the anti-manic effects don't hit until it's a bit higher. Who knows though. I'm finding more and more that I am an excellent anticonvulsant responder...maybe I'm metabolizing it super well. What do you do? Is your job stressful? Is taking time off feasable? Actually, we're getting into some personal details here... If you want we can take it off board. Email me at kdorrin@thestar.caPaxil? Here's another example of individual response--SSRIs send me to the moon! And sometimes not in a good way. Zoloft drove me into a suicidal dysphoric mania/mixed state. It was my first overdose and landed me in the hospital for two weeks.
> **San Francisco Bay area. (East Bay).
Oh, man! Can I come and visit you?!?! My parents took me to California when I was four. FOUR! Can you believe that?!?! I can barely remember a thing! Actually, I can't enter your fair country at the moment. I was charged with impaired driving a few years ago and it's considered a federal offense/felony. At the border, there's no distinction in crime so the guards there might think I'm an axe murder or whatever. Yeah, all 5'2" of me... I just have to get a "pardon" which is easy enough...I just haven't had the time...or the cash; it costs a few hundred bucks. I can't afford the pardon so how could I afford to travel? Ah well, someday...
Well, have a good weekend and email me if you want.
Karen
Posted by Kon on April 23, 2004, at 22:07:41
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - relief??? » Jeff Leeson, posted by katia on April 23, 2004, at 4:02:18
Sounds I hate...someone chewing their food loud. Slurping soup, etc. drives me nuts. Gulping while drinking... Water tapping in the sink. Repetitive movements that people do like tapping their hands, shaking their feet and smoking (the back and forth movement of hand and blowing the smoke drives me nuts). People continuously clearing throats or picking their teeth. If someone is writing an exam beside me and they're gulping on a pop I feel like putting the pop through their head. I haven't gone one day through life without some sound bothering me. The worst is when I'm in a closed car where sounds are amplified. And I know I must be annoying to be around. I wish these sounds didn't bother me so much. Are these characteristics typical of SID or am I way off?
Thanks
Kon
Posted by katia on April 24, 2004, at 0:29:03
In reply to Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it???, posted by Kon on April 23, 2004, at 22:07:41
Hey you sound just like me! I HATE the foot wiggling. How have you managed it? I can't believe there is someone else out there too w/ that annoyance/obsession. Who knows if it's SID? Oh and people who constantly pick at or bite their finger/nails!!!! Ughhhhh!
Katia
Posted by katia on April 24, 2004, at 0:33:21
In reply to Re: SID p.s., posted by T_R_D on April 23, 2004, at 17:17:45
Hey Karen,
Does this guy on TEg. get upset stomachs after drinking?
Maybe this explains my chronic diarrhea.
I work in a restaurant waiting tables and so the no drinking thing is hard for me at the moment.I'll write more later as I'm exhausted and need to rest. p.s. you're not missing too much here - stay in Canada meds are cheap and people a bit more sane!
Katia> **For me; I"m one of the few that Wellbutrin DID induce some mania! (even combined w/ Triletpal). BTW, do you drink? I noticed when on WB and when I drank I got greedy for more and then I got out of control wild. I had an overall insatiable appetite. (not to be rude - but masterbation lasted forever and I swore I went into some sort of enlightened state). I don't have a boyfriend so it's all I had. In other words, I was hyppppersexual hyper-anything-pleasurable.
>
> Well, we're all different and these wacky meds can do just about anything, I find. I used to drink...right up until I started the Lamictal! Now I find if I do, I get a headache and sometimes a bit of tummy trouble. I never had that problem with Tegretol. I work with a guy that takes Teg. for epilepsy and he has the same problem but with a more severe effect. Epilepsy doses are a lot higher though so I don't know if it's dose related. Could be. Hypersexual/anything-pleasureable??? Yep, that was me in my manic state. I lived like that for years. How I did I have no idea. I look back on the behaviour and just my memories make me exhausted. Yeah, I remember when I would masturbate, like 5 times a day or something... Well, okay that's a bit excessive but you get the picture. That can be a given for a guy but not so common with women--haha...
>
> But back to the drinking...I self medicated with alcohol for years...it's so intricately tied to my mania. I still drank to try and compensate for the depressive lows as well...I drank every day for several years...then I kind of dried out for a couple and then straight back at it!
>
> > **Are you considered a rapid cycler? I am.
>
> Yes, indeedy!
>
>
> > **What doses are you on? I need Paxil I think. I'm starting to fall into a deeper and deeper depression. Could be the time of the month;;but this feels scary like I could fall into a hole. My boss tonight at work said he's never seen me like I was tonight "lost". I said "I felt lost". HE told me to take some time if I needed to.
>
> I'm now taking 75mg Effexor, 150mg Wellbutrin and 50mg Lamictal. I've only been on the Lamictal for three weeks so I need to find out how that progresses...if I can stay at this level or if it needs to be increased. It's doing a good job but supposedly the anti-manic effects don't hit until it's a bit higher. Who knows though. I'm finding more and more that I am an excellent anticonvulsant responder...maybe I'm metabolizing it super well. What do you do? Is your job stressful? Is taking time off feasable? Actually, we're getting into some personal details here... If you want we can take it off board. Email me at kdorrin@thestar.ca
>
> Paxil? Here's another example of individual response--SSRIs send me to the moon! And sometimes not in a good way. Zoloft drove me into a suicidal dysphoric mania/mixed state. It was my first overdose and landed me in the hospital for two weeks.
>
> > **San Francisco Bay area. (East Bay).
>
> Oh, man! Can I come and visit you?!?! My parents took me to California when I was four. FOUR! Can you believe that?!?! I can barely remember a thing! Actually, I can't enter your fair country at the moment. I was charged with impaired driving a few years ago and it's considered a federal offense/felony. At the border, there's no distinction in crime so the guards there might think I'm an axe murder or whatever. Yeah, all 5'2" of me... I just have to get a "pardon" which is easy enough...I just haven't had the time...or the cash; it costs a few hundred bucks. I can't afford the pardon so how could I afford to travel? Ah well, someday...
>
> Well, have a good weekend and email me if you want.
>
> Karen
Posted by Simus on April 24, 2004, at 8:39:53
In reply to Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it???, posted by Kon on April 23, 2004, at 22:07:41
Hey Kon,
I could agree and I could add a few. How about the sound of someone clipping their fingernails in public? Or do you ever get annoyed watching a habitual gum chewer?
Posted by greywolf on April 24, 2004, at 10:15:53
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it??? » Kon, posted by Simus on April 24, 2004, at 8:39:53
I haven't had time to go through this entire thread, but after reading many of the messages I wonder if anyone in the thread has actually been diagnosed with SID?
Having read a fair amount of medical literature on SID, it appears to be a rather serious disorder that significantly interferes with behavioral development when it can be accurately diagnosed. The thrust of the descriptions of this illness seems to be an internal inability to process certain documented stimuli, resulting in marked developmental limitations or behavioral oddities. Although irritation with behaviors of other people might mimic some aspects of SID, it appears that actual SID involves much more than this.
Many of the described irritations with other people's behaviors (foot wagging, gum chewing, finger tapping) could easily fall within dx of ADD, GAD, or the experience of the hypomanic phase of BPII.
Posted by katia on April 24, 2004, at 10:23:55
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it???, posted by greywolf on April 24, 2004, at 10:15:53
>
> Many of the described irritations with other people's behaviors (foot wagging, gum chewing, finger tapping) could easily fall within dx of ADD, GAD, or the experience of the hypomanic phase of BPII.**God I only hope so because one dx is enough (BPII). However, since being treated for BP, it hasn't gone away and it appears for me worse when depressed/mixed. Meds don't seem to do much for me unfortunately I'm destined to live like this forever. The other SID therapy also looks impossible too - years and years of it? I'm 33 and pretty set in my ways in regards to these disturbances unfortunately and no one seems to be able to do anything about them. It's a form of hell to be caged within the indurance of this stimuli - whatever it's called.
Anyone try kinesiology?
Katia
Posted by Simus on April 24, 2004, at 13:41:23
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it???, posted by greywolf on April 24, 2004, at 10:15:53
Posted by Kon on April 24, 2004, at 17:52:25
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it??? » Kon, posted by Simus on April 24, 2004, at 8:39:53
> How about the sound of someone clipping their fingernails in public? Or do you ever get annoyed watching a habitual gum chewer?
How could I forget! Both sounds drive me nuts especially if the gum chewing also involves blowing bubbles... I think such sounds aggrevate me more than even my anxiety because I feel like I'm a pressure cooker who wants to pulverize the person making these sounds but I know I can't. Interestingly, most sounds that bother me usually involve sounds that people make.
Posted by katia on April 24, 2004, at 22:35:03
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it???, posted by Kon on April 24, 2004, at 17:52:25
> > How about the sound of someone clipping their fingernails in public? Or do you ever get annoyed watching a habitual gum chewer?
>
> How could I forget! Both sounds drive me nuts especially if the gum chewing also involves blowing bubbles... I think such sounds aggrevate me more than even my anxiety because I feel like I'm a pressure cooker who wants to pulverize the person making these sounds but I know I can't. Interestingly, most sounds that bother me usually involve sounds that people make.I used to have SUCH a problem w/ gum smackers as a kid. And for some strange reason in my twisted mind I somehow switched it around to be a relaxing sound. Explanation unknown?! Wish I could do this w/ ALL my disturbances if I only know how I did it w/ that one!
But don't you agree that these things CAUSE anxiety and depression? I know they do in me. First anxiety and then a crash into sadness.
Katia
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 26, 2004, at 7:40:25
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - relief??? » katia, posted by Jeff Leeson on April 22, 2004, at 23:04:42
> There is a book that specifically addresses these issues that I'm currently reading and have thus far found very helpful. It's called "The Highly Sensitive Person: How to Thrive When the World Overwhelms You" by Elaine N. Aron, Ph.D.
I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
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The first time anyone refers to a book without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:
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Thanks!
Bob
Posted by Kon on April 26, 2004, at 15:23:18
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it??? » Kon, posted by katia on April 24, 2004, at 22:35:03
> But don't you agree that these things CAUSE anxiety and depression? I know they do in me. First anxiety and then a crash into sadness.
I always thought that the two are related but not that one causes the other. I've always felt I have a very hypersensitive neural system and this leads both to my oversensitivity to sounds and my oversensitivity to other anxiety-provoking situations. One of the withdrawl symptoms coming of benzos or even booze is these type of hypersensitivy reactions. I feel like this is how I am normally.
Posted by katia on April 27, 2004, at 2:42:15
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it??? » katia, posted by Kon on April 26, 2004, at 15:23:18
How can they be related and not influence each other though? What are your "sensitivities?
Katia
> I always thought that the two are related but not that one causes the other. I've always felt I have a very hypersensitive neural system and this leads both to my oversensitivity to sounds and my oversensitivity to other anxiety-provoking situations. One of the withdrawl symptoms coming of benzos or even booze is these type of hypersensitivy reactions. I feel like this is how I am normally.
Posted by Kon on April 27, 2004, at 3:43:04
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it??? » Kon, posted by katia on April 27, 2004, at 2:42:15
> How can they be related and not influence each other though? What are your "sensitivities?
When there's a sound/sensory experience many people might find a bit annoying, that same sound/sensory experience drives me crazy. When there's a situation that may cause others a bit of anxiety, my anxiety level goes through the roof. Sometimes this can give me a real "high".
I guess you may be right, they probably do influence other but it feels more like both my oversensitivity to sounds and anxiety in many other situations are caused by an oversensitive neural/adrenaline system.
Posted by katia on April 27, 2004, at 13:54:34
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it???, posted by Kon on April 27, 2004, at 3:43:04
> > How can they be related and not influence each other though? What are your "sensitivities?
>
> When there's a sound/sensory experience many people might find a bit annoying, that same sound/sensory experience drives me crazy. When there's a situation that may cause others a bit of anxiety, my anxiety level goes through the roof. Sometimes this can give me a real "high".
>
> I guess you may be right, they probably do influence other but it feels more like both my oversensitivity to sounds and anxiety in many other situations are caused by an oversensitive neural/adrenaline system.You really just described it. Situations where most people would be a little annoyed I"m outraged and can't take it. It kind of makes it worse because the other person only has their level of annoyance to base any reality on and normally the response is "it's not that bad; quit being so neurotic/difficult; you're making it worse; relax; let it go; get over it." All of which make it even worse and indignant!
Katia
Posted by katia on April 27, 2004, at 13:56:58
In reply to Re: Sensory Integration Disorder - do I have it???, posted by Kon on April 27, 2004, at 3:43:04
Anyone in these lovely two categories w/ SID and BP ever try Paxil for it?
I saw my pdoc yesterday and got some paxil to add on to Trileptal for anxiety and depression.Anyone had experiences w/ Paxil as a BP or as a BP w/ SID?
Katia
BTW, my pdoc had never heard of SID. It wasn't very reassuring.
Posted by T_R_D on April 28, 2004, at 11:34:56
In reply to Bipolars and Sensory Integration Disorder Paxil?, posted by katia on April 27, 2004, at 13:56:58
After thinking about it, I don't know what to say about possible SID. I hve a problem with aural stuff and yet I'm also the sort of person to do the repetitive movement, knee bouncing, fidgety stuff. Who knows?
As far as being BP and taking SSRIs...they make me manic or drive me into a mixed state everytime!
Posted by katia on April 28, 2004, at 14:01:10
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Sensory Integration Disorder Paxil?, posted by T_R_D on April 28, 2004, at 11:34:56
Even when a MS is in place?
Posted by T_R_D on April 28, 2004, at 14:53:59
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Sensory Integration Disorder Paxil? » T_R_D, posted by katia on April 28, 2004, at 14:01:10
> Even when a MS is in place?
I'm having a brain cramp...what's MS? Oh...Mood Stabilizer!
Not as much. It takes the depression away (seems to be right now) so I'm not as sensitive. I do tend to get more fidgety etc... when I'm on the manic side of things.
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