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Posted by Katia on May 8, 2003, at 15:28:08
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Katia, posted by Eddie Sylvano on May 8, 2003, at 9:06:19
Posted by Katia on May 8, 2003, at 15:32:14
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Katia, posted by Ritch on May 8, 2003, at 9:32:17
> ".... But I have again begun to feel a real energized irritability....."
>
> If you have experienced this sort of thing before and it *wasn't* associated with starting a med or stopping a med, I would be highly suspicious. In this case you might ask your pdoc if you could take a small dose of Zoloft and see if it cools you out some.The problem with that is, I don't really have pdoc anymore. I'm in the process of finding one. The other thing is I still do have Zoloft. I could take it on my own, but the thought of having to prolong this w/drawal makes me feel as if I take one I'll be taking a step backwards; when I've gone already over three weeks w/o.
what do you think? What's a small amt.? 25-50?
tks.
katia
Posted by Squiggles on May 8, 2003, at 15:37:20
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Ritch, posted by Katia on May 8, 2003, at 15:32:14
I agree with Ritch, but of course it's
a delicate matter requiring a doctor's
attention to whether this withdrawal is
really the culprit or an underlying condition
is also there.I am inclined to go clean first, but that
is just a scare layman's view.If you can't get professional help right away,
can you ask the pharmacist - they sometimes know
more than the doctors on what to do in cases
like this.Squiggles
Posted by Ritch on May 8, 2003, at 23:17:14
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Ritch, posted by Katia on May 8, 2003, at 15:32:14
> > ".... But I have again begun to feel a real energized irritability....."
> >
> > If you have experienced this sort of thing before and it *wasn't* associated with starting a med or stopping a med, I would be highly suspicious. In this case you might ask your pdoc if you could take a small dose of Zoloft and see if it cools you out some.
>
> The problem with that is, I don't really have pdoc anymore. I'm in the process of finding one. The other thing is I still do have Zoloft. I could take it on my own, but the thought of having to prolong this w/drawal makes me feel as if I take one I'll be taking a step backwards; when I've gone already over three weeks w/o.
> what do you think? What's a small amt.? 25-50?
> tks.
> katia
>
>Whoops! You didn't answer the question: Have you experienced this sort of thing before and it *wasn't* associated with starting a med or stopping a med?
Posted by Viridis on May 9, 2003, at 1:04:44
In reply to Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by Katia on May 8, 2003, at 3:28:25
Zoloft, even in tiny doses, causes bizarre mood swings for me. Prozac at any dose has a similar (though milder) effect. My pdoc didn't interpret this as "bipolar" -- he just said that some people can't tolerate SSRIs and left it at that, with the recommendation that I avoid this class of meds. I'm much better off with other drugs, so his advice seems quite sound.
Posted by Katia on May 9, 2003, at 13:12:40
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Katia, posted by Ritch on May 8, 2003, at 23:17:14
I thought I was clear, but maybe I wasn't. No, i haven't experienced this before w/ starting or stopping a med. But this feeling is not unfamiliar = hence nothing to do with meds. In fact Zoloft was only my third. I've been in the med ordeal for less than a year now, even though I've suffered from depression most of my life.
tks.
katia
Posted by Ritch on May 9, 2003, at 21:13:43
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Ritch, posted by Katia on May 9, 2003, at 13:12:40
> I thought I was clear, but maybe I wasn't. No, i haven't experienced this before w/ starting or stopping a med. But this feeling is not unfamiliar = hence nothing to do with meds. In fact Zoloft was only my third. I've been in the med ordeal for less than a year now, even though I've suffered from depression most of my life.
> tks.
> katiaSo, you have had these feelings without meds triggering them before? Wow, that sounds like bipolar for sure then (IMO). I would certainly divulge these details with your pdoc-better late than never. I realize they may likely bomb you with mood stabilizers that you may not tolerate, which may not work well, etc., but that can always get tweaked and changed, just be upfront about side effects and effectiveness, etc., and try not to get stuck taking something that clearly doesn't work or makes you feel crummy for too long a time.
Posted by Katia on May 10, 2003, at 14:06:48
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Katia, posted by Ritch on May 9, 2003, at 21:13:43
> So, you have had these feelings without meds triggering them before? Wow, that sounds like bipolar for sure then (IMO). I would certainly divulge these details with your pdoc-better late than never. I realize they may likely bomb you with mood stabilizers that you may not tolerate, which may not work well, etc., but that can always get tweaked and changed, just be upfront about side effects and effectiveness, etc., and try not to get stuck taking something that clearly doesn't work or makes you feel crummy for too long a time.
Thanks Ritch,
I may hold off b/c the pdoc I see now is at a clinic and he is overworked and doesn't really know my case or cares to at all. HE asked the same questions (?'s which make it obvious that he doesn't know me or my case) every time I see him. i.e. like "are you in therapy?".
I'm in the process of finding a good doc now it could take a couple of months.In the meanwhile, I have begun taking Serzone. I feel pretty "normal" periodically now; but then a mood swing will hit or "manic energy" where i can't concentrate and my mind is racing. I'm still really irritable and sometimes short and rude with people. But I feel somewhat better from when I first posted about this "maybe mania". I don't really know how it works - cycling? cyclical? mine always feels very agitated/mixed. who knows. I'm finding that channeling my energy into "projects" like painting my room starting a garden ,etc. help. I get totally focused. but then at the end of it; I'm racyand a bit lost. as though I went away totally during the project. it's strange.
thanks for your input.
katia
Posted by Ritch on May 10, 2003, at 22:33:50
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Ritch, posted by Katia on May 10, 2003, at 14:06:48
Posted by garylee on May 13, 2003, at 11:43:30
In reply to Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by Katia on May 8, 2003, at 3:28:25
Hi Katia
It sounds to me like your experiencing 'Hypomania' not full blown Mania. I believe in full blown mania you would probably be becoming psychotic after two weeks of it, also I'd say you would not have be sleeping AT ALL. I have seen Mania, and it is not a pretty sight...
As I read you post I instantly thought Bipolar II, like myself, and most probably SSRI induced!
I was initially constantly depressed, with occasional good days (perhaps very mild Hypomania?). My first proper go at an SSRI was Prozac. After 6 weeks I felt it wasn't doing much so I started to taper off, then BANG! Hypomanic for 3 - 4 weeks. Then came the inevitable crash back down to earth...
From experience (and many other BPII's would agree) SSRI's and Bipolar II do not mix, and there is tons of evidence pointing to this. My older brother was tried on every AD there is, all of which made him worse. They then tried two at once (can't remember what they were), this made him the worst he has ever been, and he has not really improved since. They have definitely messed up his brain for the foreseeable future.
In my opinion try sticking to mood stabilisers, and avoid anything with Serotonin action. Lamictal would be the first to try, it was a life saver for me.
Anyway good luck.
Gary
Posted by katia on May 13, 2003, at 12:43:17
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by garylee on May 13, 2003, at 11:43:30
> Hi Katia
>
> It sounds to me like your experiencing 'Hypomania' not full blown Mania. I believe in full blown mania you would probably be becoming psychotic after two weeks of it, also I'd say you would not have be sleeping AT ALL. I have seen Mania, and it is not a pretty sight...
>
> As I read you post I instantly thought Bipolar II, like myself, and most probably SSRI induced!
>
> I was initially constantly depressed, with occasional good days (perhaps very mild Hypomania?). My first proper go at an SSRI was Prozac. After 6 weeks I felt it wasn't doing much so I started to taper off, then BANG! Hypomanic for 3 - 4 weeks. Then came the inevitable crash back down to earth...
>
> From experience (and many other BPII's would agree) SSRI's and Bipolar II do not mix, and there is tons of evidence pointing to this. My older brother was tried on every AD there is, all of which made him worse. They then tried two at once (can't remember what they were), this made him the worst he has ever been, and he has not really improved since. They have definitely messed up his brain for the foreseeable future.
>
> In my opinion try sticking to mood stabilisers, and avoid anything with Serotonin action. Lamictal would be the first to try, it was a life saver for me.
>
> Anyway good luck.
>
> Gary
>
HI Gary,
Thanks so much for your input! All input is helpful. As I've said in the previous posts on the thread; this feeling has not been unfamiliar, (unrelated to meds), but now that I think about it, maybe I experienced some hypomania after I stopped Celexa and simultaneously transitioned onto Effexor. I didn't experience this coming off of Eff. though. I transitioned straight onto Zoloft while weaning myself from Eff. and almost instantly (in the midst of Eff. horrible w/drawals) became a deer in the headlights type of zombie. I have now started Serzone - exactly two weeks ago. (these are all the meds I've tried). I feel as though I'm getting better, but then I'll have these mood swings of irritability and impatience periodically. I should be in to see a pdoc (a good one) in the next two months. I'll tell him all my experiences and perhaps he can make a clear and knowledgable dx. It's only just occured to me that maybe I am bp2 as when I think of my depressions in the past and in between (mind you this year is the first time I've sought out professional help) ; it's not always - only sometimes been a complete waste case staring at walls and ceiling for hours on end in painful lethargy or crying and crawling on the floor simply for movement, marking my own arms with fingernails, banging head on wall,etc. The other times have been mixed - like a depression,but with highly charged energy of irritation and temper tantrums,etc. rage and aggression. and then crying and sadness - cycling.
It's all good to note and I'm ongoingly discussing this with my therpaist as I dont' have a real pdoc right now. just a clinic to get meds of my recommendation....
thanks.
katia
Posted by Squiggles on May 13, 2003, at 14:17:49
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » garylee, posted by katia on May 13, 2003, at 12:43:17
Hi Katia,
So sorry, you are having problems with your
meds. I can't comment with any real knowledge
on these particular drugs, but i can tell you
that in my experience, you might benefit from
the knowledge of a psychiatrist who specializes
in medicating psychiatric conditions. I am
personally extremely grateful to my doctor
who is not a specialist in the psych. area at all,
but who does have access to some of the biggest
research and academic psychiatrists in Montreal--
infact, when he does not know the answer he
gets it from them i suspect and when i was first
diagnoses it was on request on a psych. dr. team.Also, i have the benefit of the respect of this
doctor to tinker with my drugs and respond with
the positive or negative effects. So, i think
i have been fortunate. Ideally, if that is not
something you can get in your town, finding a
psychiatrist, say from a hospital search -- call
and ask for one -- is in my opinion the safest
foundation to treat these symptoms.Just my opinion but i believe this strongly.
Squiggles
Posted by katia on May 13, 2003, at 22:48:44
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » katia, posted by Squiggles on May 13, 2003, at 14:17:49
> Hi Katia,
>
> So sorry, you are having problems with your
> meds. I can't comment with any real knowledge
> on these particular drugs, but i can tell you
> that in my experience, you might benefit from
> the knowledge of a psychiatrist who specializes
> in medicating psychiatric conditions. I am
> personally extremely grateful to my doctor
> who is not a specialist in the psych. area at all,
> but who does have access to some of the biggest
> research and academic psychiatrists in Montreal--
> infact, when he does not know the answer he
> gets it from them i suspect and when i was first
> diagnoses it was on request on a psych. dr. team.
>
> Also, i have the benefit of the respect of this
> doctor to tinker with my drugs and respond with
> the positive or negative effects. So, i think
> i have been fortunate. Ideally, if that is not
> something you can get in your town, finding a
> psychiatrist, say from a hospital search -- call
> and ask for one -- is in my opinion the safest
> foundation to treat these symptoms.
>
> Just my opinion but i believe this strongly.
>
> SquigglesThanks Squiggles for your info. I actually just decided today to go into "financial debt" over this instead of remaining in "emotional debt". I won't get insurance and will pay out of pocket( well credit card) and see someone well known and respected. I got in in a month; which is good b/c there was a cancellation! anyway, in the interim I'll stay at the clinic. I was actually referred to this pdoc by three different sources. I'm going with it even tho' the initial intake is $325 USD!! but it's for 1 1/2 hours and afterwards 30 min. followups for $120. it's pricey but i need to sort this out!
katia
Posted by Squiggles on May 14, 2003, at 9:05:04
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Squiggles, posted by katia on May 13, 2003, at 22:48:44
Sorry, Katia,
How foolish of me - of course - you guys
don't have medicare; but look at it this
way -- imagine going to a swanky boutique
and seeing the suit of your dreams or a
sweater - (i love Bebe) and blowing $400.00 -
it happens right?So, consider your health, and let me know how
it turns out - it may very well be worth the cost,
esp. if it saves your job.good luck
Squiggles
Posted by worrier on May 14, 2003, at 20:16:18
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by garylee on May 13, 2003, at 11:43:30
> Hi Katia
>
> It sounds to me like your experiencing 'Hypomania' not full blown Mania. I believe in full blown mania you would probably be becoming psychotic after two weeks of it, also I'd say you would not have be sleeping AT ALL. I have seen Mania, and it is not a pretty sight...
>
> As I read you post I instantly thought Bipolar II, like myself, and most probably SSRI induced!
>
> I was initially constantly depressed, with occasional good days (perhaps very mild Hypomania?). My first proper go at an SSRI was Prozac. After 6 weeks I felt it wasn't doing much so I started to taper off, then BANG! Hypomanic for 3 - 4 weeks. Then came the inevitable crash back down to earth...
>
> From experience (and many other BPII's would agree) SSRI's and Bipolar II do not mix, and there is tons of evidence pointing to this. My older brother was tried on every AD there is, all of which made him worse. They then tried two at once (can't remember what they were), this made him the worst he has ever been, and he has not really improved since. They have definitely messed up his brain for the foreseeable future.
>
> In my opinion try sticking to mood stabilisers, and avoid anything with Serotonin action. Lamictal would be the first to try, it was a life saver for me.
>
> Anyway good luck.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>Just wanted to say AMEN! SSRIs sent me to the ER, literally thought I was dying after a month or so on paxil....and I don't mean the kind of thought I was dying I was familiar with after years of panic attacks. I mean the real deal, I had vomiting,horrible tremors profuse sweating, agitation so severe I literally had to walk miles to stay remotely connected,heart rate way over 100 at rest, you name it. The ER doc gave me xanax and told me to take it to my MD and say "give me this, it works" so I did and she said absolutely not. Said I was having "breakthrough anxiety" and needed a higher dose of paxil ( I had already had bad reactions to prozac, wellbutrin and effexor, maybe she should have seen a pattern here) anyway, like a dope I did what she said, got much worse...didn't sleep for ages, paced the floor constantly worked in the garden for literally hours (until it got to dark to see) then paced the floor until daylight. Never thought about suicide, but definitely understood why people do. Finally ,in a rare moment of clarity got an appointment with a good pdoc who recognized what was going on as a seotonin storm. To make a short story really long, some people just really need to stay away from anything with serotonin effects. Best to all, worrier.
Posted by Kat26 on May 18, 2003, at 6:53:25
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » Ritch, posted by Katia on May 8, 2003, at 15:32:14
Hey Katia,
this kind of makes me remember a time when I thought I might be manic... but my therapist at the time thought she didn't think so. I just felt high energy and WANTED to act crazy all the time... like, I wanted people to think I was manic????
PLEASE don't drive when you have been drinking, ok????
Kathrin
Posted by fluffy on May 18, 2003, at 13:53:28
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by Kat26 on May 18, 2003, at 6:53:25
Katia--
I know it sounds like you've gotten some good support on this thread. I just wanted to share my story with you. Your story sounds VERY similar to mine. I was extremely reluctant to believe that I was Bipolar until I looked into Bipolar II.
I was OK on SSRI's in the first year that I took them. Initially, I was prescribed Paxil for panic attacks (and then a devistating depression). I didn't know what was going on--just thought I was going insane. It wasn't until I started contemplating suicide while I was trying to do other things...constant intrusive ruminations about wanting to die. THEN I got help!!
But it wasn't until 2 years later that I had my first MARKED hypomanic episode (it was last summer). I had gone off of Paxil thinking that I had my panic attacks under control. A couple of months later, I was planning a move, rebuilding the interior of my studio space, planning huge parties (and not getting to them), feeling amorous, drinking all the time, going out and partying...Then, BOOM, I had this horrible panic attack. Then I had ruminations and started pacing, feeling insecure suddenly, no appetite, chain smoking, then not able to move or sleep at all. I remember just sitting in the same place and chain-smoking--not leaving the house unless it was to buy cigarettes. At about this time, I decided it was time to go back to the doctor.
He prescribed Lexapro, which I assumed would work like Paxil did last time. Instead, I went into a full blown mixed state--didn't sleep for 5 days, felt completely agitated, wanted to hurt myself, contemplated suicide, drove to west Texas crying the whole way there. Then I called my doc...and I got the BPII diagnosis. I had trouble accepting it, but I'm seeing those patterns now with the recurring depressions and flurries of activity before them.
I'm currently taking Lamictal, 125 mg so far and going up. I'm doing so much better!! Someone said their brother's brain is completely fucked up from SSRI's. Can that happen permanently? That scared me a bit.
Sorry for the long post. Please take care. I'm so glad you have decided to get help no matter what the DX.
Katy
Posted by katia on May 18, 2003, at 14:42:36
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by Kat26 on May 18, 2003, at 6:53:25
> Hey Katia,
>
> this kind of makes me remember a time when I thought I might be manic... but my therapist at the time thought she didn't think so. I just felt high energy and WANTED to act crazy all the time... like, I wanted people to think I was manic????
>Are you suggesting that I want people to thinkI'm manic? please......
> Kathrin
Posted by katia on May 18, 2003, at 15:12:04
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by fluffy on May 18, 2003, at 13:53:28
Hi Flufs,
thanks for the long e-mail. it helps. My mind opened to the fact that I may have been suffering from depression most of my life a little over a year ago (it was undeniable as I couldn't pull myself off of the floor for months). Now my mind is beginning to open to me poss. being BPII. I never realized this "class" of dx existed. I always figured that mania was high spending, intense feelings of well-being, euphoria, high energy of not needing sleep,etc.
the II dx - god it's really starting to make sense. ADs haven't really being doingit for me. In a wierd way, but a drugged way. But I still feel the high irritable energy still.
to make a long story short, every thing everyone says hits home to me when talking about BPII symptoms.
I think this is even why I took me ages to figure out what i suffered from was depression. It was always somehow mixed; like how could I be depressed when I have this wild energy to cart me across the world? (I did a lot of travelling) The energy takes care of me in wierd way - gets me through mild depressions. It's like a fight within me. A powerful warrior side; not letting people walk over me; lashing out in rages of "self-assertiveness" or so I think. carting me further and further away from the land of the living. then crash; depression; inmobility, staring at walls, no energy; everyone is soooooo cruel to me! and then this fueling energy to pick me up and tote me to yet another country, another job, another lover,etc. all these irrational spontaneous wild decisions/(rather impluses).
god! it's making sense now.
I'm just doing my research now. What seems to resonate the most with me re: dx is bpII dysphoric mixed. (w/ major depressive disorder).
I have an appt. with a good pdoc iin about three weeks. What I'm going to do is try and chronicle all my moods from day one; chronicle all my med history (less than a year) with side effects and so forth. I want to go in there and give him info, but not suggest what I think my dx is. That was the problem at this clinic. For some reason, it sounds like I know what I'm talking about and the pdocs (I've seen about seven in 10 mos.) i've seen just take my word for it when I adamently said "I'm defint. NOT manic; I've never been manic, so let's move on". And I think i should try this new med; what do you think? they always just AGREE!!!!!! How frustrating! This mixed up patient shouldn't be the expert! I agree with being in touch with what works for me even if contradicts what the pdocs say, but I'd like someone else to take the initiative....
anyway, i'll stop.one question;
Do you feel by taking a med for BPII gave the diagnostic results to confirm BPII? In other words, does your lamictal act as a diagnostic?
tks.
Katia
Posted by garylee on May 19, 2003, at 4:17:15
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » fluffy, posted by katia on May 18, 2003, at 15:12:04
Hi Katia
Sorry to butt in on your convo with Fluffy but I noticed your question at the bottom of your post...
When I started lamictal (almost two years ago now) I slowly titrated upwards to reach a maximum of 200mg per day. (Many say there are no real benefits of going any higher than this). After a few days of treatment I stared to become mildly Hypomanic, but this only lasted 3 - four days. I wasn't particularly agitated or irritable like normal, just had an elevated mood, which was nice. I have been told that drug induced Hypomania (but not Mania) is a clear indictor of some sort of BP, namely BPII or BP NOS.
So for me Lamictal was a definitely diagnostic of my condition.
Hope this helps.
Gary
P.S. Had a look on Google after writing my post and found this article. Makes for very interesting reading...
Posted by katia on May 19, 2003, at 13:23:44
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by garylee on May 19, 2003, at 4:17:15
> Hi Katia
>
> Sorry to butt in on your convo with Fluffy but I noticed your question at the bottom of your post...
>
> When I started lamictal (almost two years ago now) I slowly titrated upwards to reach a maximum of 200mg per day. (Many say there are no real benefits of going any higher than this). After a few days of treatment I stared to become mildly Hypomanic, but this only lasted 3 - four days. I wasn't particularly agitated or irritable like normal, just had an elevated mood, which was nice. I have been told that drug induced Hypomania (but not Mania) is a clear indictor of some sort of BP, namely BPII or BP NOS.
>
> So for me Lamictal was a definitely diagnostic of my condition.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gary
>
> P.S. Had a look on Google after writing my post and found this article. Makes for very interesting reading...
>
> http://www.biopsychiatry.com/bipolar3.htmHi Gary,
Isn't lamictal used for BP disorders? if so, why did you go hypo in the first few days? and my question was more about - if a med works for you and that med is used for BP disorders ,then is that a diagnotic tool/assessment?I'm on an AD - Serzone. I don't get in to see a good pdoc 'til the 16th of June and I feel like I"m losing it. I upped the dose for Serzone yesterday (in line with the starter pack) and didn't have a good day. It's also just right before my period; so I"m not sure what's going on. I am so irritable and bitchy I could crawl out of my skin. Anything anyone says is feels like its directly meant to piss me right off. I can't shut my mouth. Like I know I'm being totally unreasonable, but it feels someone else takes over and interacts with people in not sucha a nice way. Maybe this is some of the uninhibited side effects of Serzone people talk about it. (I'm bitchy. and have no tolerance for people if they rub me the wrong way and anything anyone does rubs me the wrong way). I feel like simulatnaeously crying and fighting/yelling at the same time. and I don't feel pleasure at all. I woke up after 7 hours of sleep due to my housemates heavy footed ways and I just felt like commmitting suicide right then and there. I'm soooooo tired, my head's not on right.
I need some advice. I don't have an appt. with a good compet. pdoc for three more weeks. Serzone - i dunno. Should i keep taking it? I could go and see a seemingly dimwitted pdoc at the clinic I've been going to, but he doesn't listen to me, he doesn't try and think about my case, he prescribes the latest pdoc i recommend. he hasn't made any dx for me. I'm worried about going to see him and then he puts me on something else or increases my Serzone (which seems to be his answer for everything) and then mess my system up more when I'll be in to see someone good in three weeks. Should I just stop altogether???? Serzone - and wait 'til I can get good help. Not sure the serzone is working.
also, the other side should I wait and keep taking Serzone for three more weeks while I wait? I'm worried.
thanks.
katia
Posted by fluffy on May 21, 2003, at 10:39:55
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » garylee, posted by katia on May 19, 2003, at 13:23:44
Hi Katia--
Sorry for not replying back sooner. Oh, there are many things to learn about meds and such. Yes--Lamictal is sometimes used for BPII or BPI as an add on to Lithium, Depakote or Tegretol. Most of these drugs are anti-epilepsy drugs. They work on most BP people. You may have to work for awhile to figure out what drug or combination works for you. The hardest thing for me to accept beyond my diagnosis was the guinea pig part--having to try drugs that sometimes didn't work or made me feel worse.
My only advice to you on the drugs (since I am not a psychiatrist) would be to beware of anti-depressants (esp. SSRI's which you had a bad experience with). It sounds like Serzone isn't doing you any favors either. I had a mixed state when I was put on AD's. (VERY agitated, angry, self-critical, suicidal, unable to sleep, pacing, ruminating thoughts). Sounds like you may be having the same. If you are indeed BP, then you need to rely primarily on mood stabilizers. Lamictal is an anti-convulsant (which are often called mood stabilizers), but it has anti-depressant properties that seem to benefit many BP people (myself included).
If a drug is making you feel bad, maybe you should call a doc and decide if you should discontinue. Trust how you feel--do you normally feel THIS agitated during PMS?
I understand because I did the same thing--I wanted drugs to work so badly that I would justify feeling bad with re-diagnosing myself (thinking--I just have panic disorder, or I just need to relax and have a vacation, or PMS, etc.) I ended up feeling so horrible that I was seriously contemplating suicide!! Please call someone if you are feeling this badly!! Don't wait for a doc!!
I am going to give you a link which was extremely helpful to me. Also, if you are well enough to go to a library or bookstore, there is a book that was helpful when I was first diagnosed. I have to find the exact title.
Please take care!!
Katy
Posted by fluffy on May 21, 2003, at 10:46:35
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by fluffy on May 21, 2003, at 10:39:55
Here's the link:
http://www.psycheducation.org/And the book is this:
"The Bipolar Disorder Survival Guide: What You and Your Family Need to Know"Both are good for you to read and decide for yourself if you fit into the BP spectrum.
Posted by Squiggles on May 21, 2003, at 11:03:16
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic!, posted by fluffy on May 21, 2003, at 10:46:35
Another good book on lithium guidance, by
the great founder on lithium research,
Mogens Schou; I have the pamphlet and it has
helped me with minute questions and insights,
which Dr. Schou presents in a clear and humble
manner for his scientific stature. The little
book is recommended by the Stanley Foundation.
http://ez2find.com/go.php3?site=book&go=3805556675Squiggles
Posted by Squiggles on May 21, 2003, at 11:40:26
In reply to Re: Help! I think I may be manic! » fluffy, posted by Squiggles on May 21, 2003, at 11:03:16
I don't know how my message was triplicated;
btw, i just received Dr. Bob's E-therapy book,
and i've got Fuller Torrey too, and some others --
life is great:-)Squiggles
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