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Posted by 3 Beer Effect on February 5, 2003, at 7:44:22
I usually take Dextrostat (d-amphetamine) 20 mg 2x per day as prescribed & it works great except for the 20-40 lb. weight loss. My main problem is that Dextrostat & Adderall & Focalin are very controversial, especially in adults (i'm a college student).
In fact through triplicate pescriptions, the DEA is subduing all of the 'ice' Adderall crystal dealers that stand on every street corner waiting to corrupt the youth. Watch out especially for that Ritalin crack b/c the 1st hits for free but the next is 20G.
All sarcasm aside, the DEA requires a triplicate prescription for Schedule II medications & only one month can be dispensed at a time. Since I have a doctor that follows the rules, I have to drive all the way back home to Dallas (3.5 hrs) once per month. Since my school 'THE University of Texas at Austin', seems to get more difficult with each new incoming, highly competitive freshman class, missing Friday classes to go to the doctor is affecting my grades.
Right now my stopgap solution for those times when I need a Dextrostat refill but can't make it back home because of the workload, I buy Didrex(benzphetamine) 50 mg tablets on the internet. Keep in mind that it is legal (except in Nevada)to order any Schedule III or IV diet pills on the internet ONLY IF it is a U.S. website, with a (joke of) a consultation with a U.S. doctor, & the med is dispensed by a U.S. pharmacy. [There may be a group of about 2-10 states where this practice is not legal, I think one of them was the colony 'Old Dominion' (Virginia). Check the DEA and/or the U.S. Customs website to be sure, & also check the statutes (if any) of your home state.This is a really weird system in that I can legally buy the Schedule III N-Alkyl Amphetamine derivative 'Didrex', but you cannot purchase any schedule IV benzodiazepine/sedative through a legitimate U.S. website.
Anyways, as far as CNS/brain stimulation goes how do the other 'anorectics' rank against Dextrostat/Dexedrine or Adderall (mixed generic salts of what the heck kind of name for a generic is that?!) or Focalin/Ritalin?
At Wal-Mart I can buy No-Doz & Primatene Asthma Tablets (Ephedrine is an awful & dangerous drug but some people like it since it is cheap & legal 'speed' & the synthetic (USP) Ephedrine in Primatene or Bronkaid tablets is probably safer than the Ephedra found in the billion dollar selling herbal garbage weight loss products like Xenadrine & Metabolife.
I am looking for a psychostimulant of Schedule III or greater that enables you to read/study & take notes on really boring & complex material & stay up all night doing it. The choices I found are Didrex (Benzphetamine), Phentermine hcl (Adipex?), Tenuate (Diethylproprion), Phendimetrazine (Plegine), & Mazindol (Sanorex).
[Meridia=too expensive, Pemoline=impossible to find & sometimes turns your liver into one much like a 65 year old drunken wino w/ a paper bag for a coozie containing Thunderbird, Phenmetrazine (Predulin)=Schedule II even though milder than Ritalin but the Scandanavian Vikings went wacko & gobbled up Predulin by the barge-load!]
I don't know too much about chemistry but you can predict the effects from it by looking at the chemical structures. Anyone know how to do this? Interestingly, PHENTERMINE Hcl has the same chemical formula as the king of amphetamines/phenethylamines, the infamous Desoxyn (Methamphetamine Hcl) but does some weird criss cross thing. It does have a low molecular weight, what does that indicate, lipid solubility?
Didrex looks like it would be pretty cool but it has 2 of those hexagon things, which I think is bad? What chemistry features indicate easy passage thru the blood-brain barrier?-(I tried Desoxyephedrine Hcl (not the one from Abbott labs:) & didn't think it would be much different than intranasal prescription D-Amphetamine but it was a HUGE difference & was better than any medication i've ever tried in my life including the one that was popular for fatigue during the disco era & 1980s & is extracted from a leaf common to Bolivia & Peru.I read somewhere that phendimetrazine is a pro-drug to phenmetrazine/Preludin- But I found a study on 'anorectics' that said the monkeys told the scientists that D-Amphetamine, Phenmetrazine, & Didrex were euphoric/positive reinforcers & the others were junk that they threw at gawking tourists.
By the way this 10 page essay was written after taking 100 mg of Didrex, & seems somewhat similar to D-Amph. So anyways, what is best as a psychostimulant & anti-fatigue remedy= Didrex, Phentermine, Tenuate/diethylproprion, mazindol/Sanorex, Plegline/phendimetrazine.
P.S.- Wellbutrin SR doesn't help me much at all.
Thanks,
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Posted by Hattree on February 5, 2003, at 10:12:18
In reply to Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on February 5, 2003, at 7:44:22
Nice to see you again 3B.
I find Phentermine to be fairly dex-esque. Similar mood effect for me. Insomnia from hell, but that may be what you're looking for.--Hat
Posted by HannahBeGood on February 5, 2003, at 10:33:54
In reply to Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on February 5, 2003, at 7:44:22
3-Beer~
Can't write much now`dental appt.waiting. My vote is def'ly phentermine. It helped me survive a coupla years, without which I wd. have crumpled under the burden.
I am now off'ly dx'd, but if I run outta money, and that cd. happen soon (strange times around hwere, no ins. in place, hubby quit his job VERY unexpectedly)I may be chatting w/my very open-minded (so far) pdoc about subbing phentermine for the dex spansule /dexstrostat IR I currently use.
& I believe Tenuate (diethylproprion) is second cousin to buproprion (WB), which helped me nil.(The WB I mean).catcha later~hannah
Posted by stjames on February 5, 2003, at 11:19:56
In reply to Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on February 5, 2003, at 7:44:22
> In fact through triplicate pescriptions, the DEA is subduing all of the 'ice' Adderall crystal
DEA does not require this, but some state Rx boards do.
Posted by IsoM on February 5, 2003, at 14:01:58
In reply to Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on February 5, 2003, at 7:44:22
Hi 3 Frosties again! Boy, I wish I could offer an idea but can't. Is there no way your doc back home can prescribe by phone to a pharmacy near you without you driving back every month to check in with him? Would he squeeze you in a Saturday morning once a month instead? Or would he recommend another doc near the u. for you just to get your Dex? Especially if you tell him how it's affecting your grades missing one day a month. I know how important that one day can be too!
There's got to be a solution for prescribing Dex for you that doesn't entail driving back every month. How's the student services at your u? Will they help you find a solution? I know the one at my small u. were great at bending over backwards to help students. I'm sure there must be some students on prescribed Dex at your u. that the services could find a closer doc for you.
Posted by stjames on February 5, 2003, at 14:25:40
In reply to Re: Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD? » 3 Beer Effect, posted by IsoM on February 5, 2003, at 14:01:58
> There's got to be a solution for prescribing Dex for you that doesn't entail driving back every month. How's the student services at your u? Will they help you find a solution?
No refills allowed on Dex, a schedule II med.
Only original scripts allowed, no faxes or
called in scripts.While it is a no no, my doc gives me post dated scripts. How about registered mail, send a few days before the script run out ?
Posted by viridis on February 6, 2003, at 2:05:31
In reply to Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on February 5, 2003, at 7:44:22
3 Beer,
I'm a little confused -- it's perfectly legal in Texas to get a 3-month prescription for Schedule II meds. I get a triplicate prescription for Adderall from my pdoc every 3 months, mail it in, and get a 3-month supply all at once via FedEx, with no problem. Unless there's some complication with your insurance plan, you shouldn't have to do all that driving.
I should mention that my pdoc here in Texas just started doing this a few months ago (and said that he had only recently become aware that it was possible), so this may reflect a recent change in prescribing rules. But it's certainly possible, and legal.
Posted by stjames on February 6, 2003, at 10:49:33
In reply to Re: Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD? » 3 Beer Effect, posted by viridis on February 6, 2003, at 2:05:31
> 3 Beer,
>
> I'm a little confused -- it's perfectly legal in Texas to get a 3-month prescription for Schedule II meds. I get a triplicate prescription for Adderall from my pdoc every 3 months, mail it in, and get a 3-month supply all at once via FedEx, with no problem.A triplicate prescription...we mean 1 script, with 2 carbons for docs records. I think you mean
3 scripts, each for a different month. It is my understanding that with mail order, you can get 3 months supply.
Posted by viridis on February 6, 2003, at 23:53:17
In reply to Re: Didrex vs. Phentermine (Adipex) for ADD?, posted by stjames on February 6, 2003, at 10:49:33
Hi stjames,
Just to clarify (I'm not disagreeing): This is a single prescription for a three month supply of Adderall, written such that there is one original and two carbon copies. The Dr. writes "three month supply" on it, plus the number of pills, dosing, etc., gives me one copy that I send to the mail-order pharmacy specified by my insurance co., keeps two copies, and in a few days I get a FedEx package (for which I have to sign) with 180 Adderall tabs.
So, I only need to see my pdoc once every three months, I don't need to go to a pharmacy, and the generic Adderall they send me is dirt-cheap. It's worked out quite well. I don't know if it's this way in all states, but this is how it works in Texas. I can't see why 3 Beer has to do the Austin-DFW drive once a month, unless he's on a more restrictive insurance plan.
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