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Posted by lilsis on November 3, 2002, at 13:47:49
this friday i went on xtc and ever since then i have been in love with the world. i have motivation to get up in the morning, to make myself beautiful again and i feel beautifull again. see i used to be a model and then i got really depressed and quit everything and now i am up again. no drugs the doctors gave me fixed me but txc did. i think it is because i didn`t even remember what it was like to be really flucking happy. then after i did this i felt so much better. and although i will not do it again for a long time i am cured. i am so happy. and i hope that you all will be the same. i swear you should try it. i in know way indorce drugs but i mean try to find something that used to make you happy (okay maybe i am indorcing drugs) and do it once more to make yourself feel happy. yippee!!!!!1
Posted by linkadge on November 3, 2002, at 17:57:56
In reply to THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by lilsis on November 3, 2002, at 13:47:49
I am glad you are feeling better,
somtimes a single good drug trial
can kickstart the chemisty. My grandfather
left a severe depression after surgery that
used a one time shot of a powerful pain killer.Sometimes the effect can last for a long time.
If however, you do feel depressed after time
don't hesitate to see a doctor, the drugs
they perscribe are getting better, and
often prevent relapse.Best of Luck
Ian Hague
Posted by Gracie2 on November 3, 2002, at 18:38:51
In reply to Re: THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by linkadge on November 3, 2002, at 17:57:56
Ecstasy destroys brain cells. This isn't a moral judgement or a personal opinion, it's simply a fact, like saying that ice cream is full of fat.
It's possible to track the destruction of brain cells on MRI in a person under the influence of Ecstacy. Therefore, it would be wise not to rely on this drug for your everyday well-being.
-Gracie
Posted by BrittPark on November 3, 2002, at 20:28:24
In reply to Ecstasy, posted by Gracie2 on November 3, 2002, at 18:38:51
Alcohol destroys brain cells in far greater numbers than MDMA. There is no clinical evidence (that I know of) that MDMA is likely to have bad long term effects, if taken infrequently. This is not to say that researchers won't find long term ill effects from infrequent but long term use. I doubt they will though.
Personally I wouldn't touch MDMA with a 10 foot pole. Anything with a psychedelic effect scares the daylights out of me. But, for a good many people that I know infrequent use of X is beneficial for their mental health. Perhaps for some people X is the psychiatric equivalent of a gasoline additive you use every 6 months to unclog your fuel injectors.
MDMA is just another in a long line of drugs made illicit because they make non-ill people feel better than normal.
Britt
Posted by catmint on November 4, 2002, at 1:28:56
In reply to THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by lilsis on November 3, 2002, at 13:47:49
Before you start saying you are cured, talk to us in a few months.
It sounds like you are possibly experiencing classic, text book mania.
Feels great now but sorry, it won't last.I have taken numerous drugs in the past including X. It will only make your depression worse in the long run. *Guaranteed*
Posted by Mr Cushing on November 4, 2002, at 19:46:33
In reply to THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by lilsis on November 3, 2002, at 13:47:49
I agree with Catmint 100%. You sound like you're going through a Manic phase similar to the one which I just went through. If it lasts, all props to you, but I don't think it will. Just be careful.
> this friday i went on xtc and ever since then i have been in love with the world. i have motivation to get up in the morning, to make myself beautiful again and i feel beautifull again. see i used to be a model and then i got really depressed and quit everything and now i am up again. no drugs the doctors gave me fixed me but txc did. i think it is because i didn`t even remember what it was like to be really flucking happy. then after i did this i felt so much better. and although i will not do it again for a long time i am cured. i am so happy. and i hope that you all will be the same. i swear you should try it. i in know way indorce drugs but i mean try to find something that used to make you happy (okay maybe i am indorcing drugs) and do it once more to make yourself feel happy. yippee!!!!!1
Posted by ST on November 5, 2002, at 3:34:15
In reply to THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by lilsis on November 3, 2002, at 13:47:49
Hi,
I think it's great that you truly experienced happiness after not feeling it in so long. It's very helpful to be reminded of your own joy.
I know a woman who started doing xtc on the weekends about two years ago. She feels great and then experiences a crash. She and all her friends experience it as well. If you do x for awhile or do it in large amounts, your seratonin gets depleted. The rapid release of seratonin in the brain is one of the main things that makes you feel SO GOOD while on x. But your brain produces only so much. It takes time for it replenish, and so you will experience a crash. She now knows the cycle, but still does x anyway because she loves the feeling. By Tuesday or Wednesday, she's in despair after a weekend x binge.
By the way, xtc does not drain your spinal fluid as the myth once said. It does severely dehydrate you, so drink tons of water while you're on it. And if you hit the crash part, don't be surprised. Maybe if you do x every now and then and in small amounts, this cycle won't start up for you.
But above all, don't give up your search for the right AD. The treatment for you is out there. A treatment that doesn't require you to be in a really altered state just to feel alive again.
Sarah
Posted by lilsis on November 5, 2002, at 7:55:42
In reply to Re: THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » lilsis, posted by ST on November 5, 2002, at 3:34:15
i only did it once again and never again. i just needed to be reminded what my goal was like to be without drugs
Posted by Alara on November 5, 2002, at 19:40:21
In reply to Re: THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by lilsis on November 5, 2002, at 7:55:42
> i only did it once again and never again. i just needed to be reminded what my goal was like to be without drugs
It is good to hear that you have finally had a taste of happiness after feeling so miserable for so long. But please, lilsis: Don't do it again. My boyfriend's friend is in a psychiatric hospital for the third time in the last two years in a severe psychotic state. When he's not presenting with psychosis, he lives life in a permanently depressed state. If he continues to do Es, alcohol and pot, he'll commit suicide in the end. It's a feeling that we all get.I really understand the frustration of feeling so bad most of the time that you need to self-medicate yourself with something that really `hits' you. I have often done this with alcohol. My boyfriend medicates himself with pot and his mood swings are frightening. Trust me, you won't be doing yourself any favours in the end by using recreational drugs.
Keep fighting; keep smiling. Search with your doctor to find the right medication. Look at your diet and lifestyle. You say that you used to be a model and that it's important for you to feel good about the way you look. Exercise and a healthy lifestyle will help tremendously with that. Get out into the fresh air and build up a sense of personal power with exercise that you enjoy. Laugh every day. Smile.
Good luck, lilsis, and keep writing. :-)
Alara
Posted by BarbaraCat on November 7, 2002, at 2:32:56
In reply to THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by lilsis on November 3, 2002, at 13:47:49
I've also done ecstacy and experienced a bliss and joy that were wonderful. It opened my eyes to what we are capable of when our hearts are open to life and to each other. Love is the truly healing energy you describe and would that taking a drug could make it last forever. Alas, this is not so and taking x is very hard on the body and the brain and it can be very unpredictable as well. Not all trips are good. I like the gas additive analogy, once in a while can be a good tuneup. You'll no doubt do it again so make sure you're really healthy in body and mind beforehand.
The real blessing in all of this is the seeking to open the heart and open to Spirit - ah, this is the Path. Meds of any kind can bring us to the doorway and dust off the road perhaps, but stepping over and walking the Path unencumbered is what this life is about, IMHO. The dark, the light, all of it. Many spiritual teachers out there to guide you, and inside as well. - BarbaraCat
Posted by pelorojo on November 7, 2002, at 19:08:35
In reply to Re: THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » lilsis, posted by BarbaraCat on November 7, 2002, at 2:32:56
> I've also done ecstacy and experienced a bliss and joy that were wonderful. It opened my eyes to what we are capable of when our hearts are open to life and to each other. Love is the truly healing energy you describe and would that taking a drug could make it last forever. Alas, this is not so and taking x is very hard on the body and the brain and it can be very unpredictable as well. Not all trips are good. I like the gas additive analogy, once in a while can be a good tuneup. You'll no doubt do it again so make sure you're really healthy in body and mind beforehand.
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> The real blessing in all of this is the seeking to open the heart and open to Spirit - ah, this is the Path. Meds of any kind can bring us to the doorway and dust off the road perhaps, but stepping over and walking the Path unencumbered is what this life is about, IMHO. The dark, the light, all of it. Many spiritual teachers out there to guide you, and inside as well. - BarbaraCatThanks for your post BarbaraCat. For some reason this thread has been stuck in my mind. I've tried ecstasy a few times and I have found it to be a wonderful reminder of what's possible. I haven't done much, and with long periods of time in between, but afterwards I would often have a "halo effect" that spurred my growth for months afterwards. There's a lot of precautions one can take to increase the probability of a good experience. It's a drug to be handled very carefully but I think it has its uses. Maybe the PTSD trial on ecstasy will help illuminate the up and the down sides.
Your post captures my philosophy on X better than I could have written myself.
Posted by BarbaraCat on November 8, 2002, at 1:08:23
In reply to Re: THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by pelorojo on November 7, 2002, at 19:08:35
Thanks for your reply, I felt in the company of a good friend. There are so many plant and chemical 'spirit helpers' out there. I've experienced many of them and learned alot and to respect their power. Not something to fool around with, which is unfortunately all too common.
I love the tales from the Native American cultures and Carlos Casteneda about the spirit beings who exist in these substances. One you might find interesting is a test that was done a number of years ago. The South American natives who partook in hallucinogens for their tribal ceremonies saw black panthers and snakes on a regular basis. The researchers figured that these animals were part of their culture and environment and so it would be typical to hallucinate what was familiar. Especially since it was so common a occurrence that their tribal artwork commonly reflected their visions of these animals. Well, the research was that they gave the same substances to North American college students and other everyday folks to see what they 'saw' and, guess what - yep, black panthers and snakes. Wonderful!
I don't think I'll ever be able to experiment like that again. I'm afraid I'd blow a fuse in my poor brain. But then again, who knows?
Posted by Tabitha on November 9, 2002, at 3:02:25
In reply to Plant Spirits » pelorojo, posted by BarbaraCat on November 8, 2002, at 1:08:23
The author Terrence McKenna has a whole lot to say on this topic. I think he claimed that the spores of magic mushrooms came from outer space, and the visions are messages from aliens. Sounds wacky, but I understand the need to explain the incredible visions with incredible theories.
Maybe there's just some "snakes and panther visions" area of the brain that gets stimulated.
Posted by Franz on November 10, 2002, at 17:44:52
In reply to Plant Spirits » pelorojo, posted by BarbaraCat on November 8, 2002, at 1:08:23
sorry t repost this but it went as a separate post
Well i was to post what is below but the I read your post.Do you think we can find the article in the WWW?.
This thread is extremely interesting.
I never did any alucinogen, too chicken for that, but anxiety sometimes makes you "feel" things different.
I once read an article about the same drugs (not sure if mushrooms) produced similar visions for people from different cultures, thus arguing the result was due to the brain had some "wired" images, like unconscious images that were somehow "universal" (not in a Jungian sense I think).
I can´t find the article now.
Posted by BarbaraCat on November 12, 2002, at 0:48:09
In reply to are the articles available ? Re: Plant Spirits » BarbaraCat, posted by Franz on November 10, 2002, at 17:44:52
Hi Franz,
I don't believe that there is a hardwired region in the brain that causes these unversal experiences. There are archetypal and universal themes that populate myths and great teachings of all cultures and all times. I believe there is a world just as real as this one that is normally hidden from our normal perceptions. I can't even speculate what these worlds are but everything seems to be about a luminous presence permeating everything and all these many dimensions are reflecting this. We only see a very narrow band of the light spectrum and sometimes we get a peek outside of it? I don't think one has to take drugs, but extreme states seem to be one way to part the curtains into these other dimensions. It seems that illness, intense pain whether emotional or physical, meditation, love, and so on can open the door. You mention anxiety as well. One thing seems true, you rarely hear about Mr. and Mrs. EverythingIsJustSoNice having major transformational experiences.Our brain certainly produces strange chemicals and creates nightmares and other visions, but there's something more going on than science, at least as we puny humans can grasp it, can explain. I don't understand it but I know that there are guides that help us on this journey, call them angels, plant and animal spirits, saints, and on and on. I don't always feel this to be true, but I know it is. So if you're interested in all this, forget the hallucinogens and just go for the real thing.
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> Do you think we can find the article in the WWW?.
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> I never did any alucinogen, too chicken for that, but anxiety sometimes makes you "feel" things different.
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> I once read an article about the same drugs (not sure if mushrooms) produced similar visions for people from different cultures, thus arguing the result was due to the brain had some "wired" images, like unconscious images that were somehow "universal" (not in a Jungian sense I think).
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Posted by rayww on November 14, 2002, at 20:22:44
In reply to Re: THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » lilsis, posted by BarbaraCat on November 7, 2002, at 2:32:56
I find this very interesting and educational - - - being a non-drug or alcohol user. I wonder if anesthetic has the same effect on brain cells as drugs and alcohol. I swear every time I have come out of surgery, I have left part of myself behind.
Posted by BarbaraCat on November 14, 2002, at 22:51:36
In reply to Re: THE WONDER DRUG THAT WORKED FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » BarbaraCat, posted by rayww on November 14, 2002, at 20:22:44
That's a very intersting idea. You've gotta suspect that such an extreme state as unconsciousness must have an extreme effect. One wonders where the consciousness goes and what it experiences during these times, comas, anesthesias and the like. Some shamanistic teachings say that there is a splitting off during times of emotional trauma. The soul says in effect 'I'm outta here. This is more than I bargained for." And splits off - not all of it of course, just a part of it. The soul gets confused, lost in inter-dimensional terrain and can't - or doesn't want to - find it's way back. A process called 'soul retrieval' was performed by 'witch doctors' and now by modern day shamanistic healers. It's more a recognition and ritual shared by another person versed in esoteric psychology who is willing to undergo a frightening journey for you.
Undergoing anethesia is probably another way the soul gets confused. It's an unnatural state of a necessary imposed non-consiousness that's very intense. Great pain is undergone, but there's no way for the body and soul to acknowledge and reconcile it, so again, the sould goes 'bye-bye'. I wonder if any studies have been done on this subject? Would make a great doctoral dissertation.
> I find this very interesting and educational - - - being a non-drug or alcohol user. I wonder if anesthetic has the same effect on brain cells as drugs and alcohol. I swear every time I have come out of surgery, I have left part of myself behind.
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