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Posted by rod on September 26, 2002, at 10:48:53
Hi babblers,
As I take approx. 15g of Fish Oil per day, I am concerned about any negative effects it might have.
In general I am an 23 year old guy in relative good physical condition.
But as I said, I am just concerned it is doing any harm to me ...So, what is known it can do in high doses?
Posted by Arthur Gibson on September 26, 2002, at 11:32:24
In reply to High Dose Omega-3 - Any negative to expect?, posted by rod on September 26, 2002, at 10:48:53
Save your money. You only need a moderate amount, or you will spend the rest of your life sitting on the toilet!
I speak from experience.
Posted by noelle on September 26, 2002, at 15:10:41
In reply to Do you want to turn into a fish?, posted by Arthur Gibson on September 26, 2002, at 11:32:24
What does that mean sitting on the toilet, I have noticed weight loss from Fish oil but I have been taking it two weeks and now I'm starting to get night mares. Apparently it helps prevent insulin resitance and helps your body metabolize glucose better
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on September 26, 2002, at 16:52:11
In reply to Re: Do you want to turn into a fish?, posted by noelle on September 26, 2002, at 15:10:41
Why do you take so much? Most people get by on 2-5g daily but eskimos take about 18g daily and rarely get depressed or suffer from heart disease.Incidentally one usually counts just the total weight of EPA and DHA rather than the total weight of the capsules.
Posted by linkadge on September 26, 2002, at 17:53:19
In reply to High Dose Omega-3 - Any negative to expect?, posted by rod on September 26, 2002, at 10:48:53
Just make sure that you are
replacing other fats with the
omega 3's. If you are going to
use 10+ grams, then cut back
on Butter, Margerine etc.Linkadge
Posted by rod on September 27, 2002, at 9:36:47
In reply to Re: Do you want to turn into a fish?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on September 26, 2002, at 16:52:11
first, I dont have any proplems with my digestive system and my stomache got used to it, so no sickness any more (just at the beginning)
I take 15g each containing 280mg EPA / 190mg DHA
total: 4.2g EPA / 2.85g DHA"Omega-3 just turns my from non-responder to a responder to meds". It really lifts depression, makes me able to focus, think, realx and sleep.
It feels like it can ignite normal function of my brain ("Omega-3 fish oil also increases nitric oxide synthase, an important mediator of neurotransmission in the brain." ,http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Nutrition/sald19.htm.) My current medication without Omega-3 would not work well so for me. I first started at normal dosage, but stopped to have the the effect after some time, so I increased it time after time. Also tried to lower it when I feel good, but depression and anxiety came back after some days.
I hope I did not get into some sort of dependece and have to raise it constantly.
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on September 27, 2002, at 13:03:12
In reply to Re: Do you want to turn into a fish?, posted by rod on September 27, 2002, at 9:36:47
In effect you are getting 7g of omega-3 which is a high but not a very high dose.Andrew Stoll M.D. who did the research on omega-3 in bipolar disorder used 9.6g.I am not aware of any dependence on omega-3,unlike a lot of other psychiatric medication.
Posted by rod on September 27, 2002, at 13:21:49
In reply to Re: Do you want to turn into a fish?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on September 27, 2002, at 13:03:12
> In effect you are getting 7g of omega-3 which is a high but not a very high dose.Andrew Stoll M.D. who did the research on omega-3 in bipolar disorder used 9.6g.I am not aware of any dependence on omega-3,unlike a lot of other psychiatric medication.
Thank you for that! I really mixed things up and thought people always mean the quantity of fish oil rather than the relevant ammount of DHA+EPA.
Posted by omegaman on September 27, 2002, at 21:15:52
In reply to High Dose Omega-3 - Any negative to expect?, posted by rod on September 26, 2002, at 10:48:53
not trying to be a record breaker..it just kina happened slowly getting rid of AD,s benzos now I just swallow 3 omega pills with a zopiclone and its like my brain just has a great time...
problems I've had a few...hopelessly hooked, facial nueralgia, eyes popping out my head as me brain adjusts to the amount of extra processing it can do.
Side from that the dreams are great, perception has gone through the sky, and noise movement dont jar me, and my mood is so stable i'm boring all my friends.
Posted by Arthur Gibson on September 28, 2002, at 14:08:54
In reply to Re: I take 9 capsules daily, posted by omegaman on September 27, 2002, at 21:15:52
You say that the high doses of fish oil cause "facial nueralgia, eyes popping out my head..."
My point exactly. You are what you eat. You are turning into a fish. Feel your neck, any gills yet?
Posted by mopey on September 28, 2002, at 18:11:46
In reply to So you are turning into a fish..., posted by Arthur Gibson on September 28, 2002, at 14:08:54
Posted by Arthur Gibson on September 29, 2002, at 5:33:49
In reply to sounds like you're feeling better, arthur! good! (nm), posted by mopey on September 28, 2002, at 18:11:46
Yes I am feeling much better thank you.
Yesterday I scored two "please be civils" and one deletion, so I live in hope that I can catch up with Mr SPD before Christmas
Posted by rod on October 18, 2002, at 8:07:03
In reply to High Dose Omega-3 - Any negative to expect?, posted by rod on September 26, 2002, at 10:48:53
> Hi babblers,
>
> As I take approx. 15g of Fish Oil per day, I am concerned about any negative effects it might have.
> In general I am an 23 year old guy in relative good physical condition.
> But as I said, I am just concerned it is doing any harm to me ...
>
> So, what is known it can do in high doses?I made a blood test and everything is quite normal (some values are over or under the limit, but very litle).
And, now I think I know why I took it at that dosage. Just because it sedated me. 2 weeks ago I switched from Effexor IR to ER, and I could suprisingly lower the dosage (average 3,5g EPA/DHA). Maybe GAD is really my main problem.
bye
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on October 19, 2002, at 10:45:30
In reply to Re: High Dose Omega-3 - Any negative to expect?, posted by rod on October 18, 2002, at 8:07:03
> > Hi babblers,
> >
> > As I take approx. 15g of Fish Oil per day, I am concerned about any negative effects it might have.
> > In general I am an 23 year old guy in relative good physical condition.
> > But as I said, I am just concerned it is doing any harm to me ...
> >
> > So, what is known it can do in high doses?
>
>
>
> I made a blood test and everything is quite normal (some values are over or under the limit, but very litle).
>
> And, now I think I know why I took it at that dosage. Just because it sedated me. 2 weeks ago I switched from Effexor IR to ER, and I could suprisingly lower the dosage (average 3,5g EPA/DHA). Maybe GAD is really my main problem.
>
> byeEskimos take your level every day with no problem.The FDA says 3g is safe.In practice doses of up to 10g are widely used unless somebody has a problem with blood or blood thinners.
Posted by wcfrench on October 19, 2002, at 14:22:02
In reply to Re: High Dose Omega-3 - Any negative to expect?, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on October 19, 2002, at 10:45:30
Where to buy and what's a good price?? Anyone?
Posted by Lyn on October 20, 2002, at 2:32:14
In reply to Re: High Dose Omega-3 - Any negative to expect?, posted by wcfrench on October 19, 2002, at 14:22:02
This stuff is sounding pretty good. My problem with it is that it is fish oil and, being a vegetarian, I can't touch it. Is there another product available that has the same active ingredient, but doesn't come from fish (or animal or fowl)?
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 20, 2002, at 10:35:39
In reply to Re: High Dose Omega-3 -, posted by Lyn on October 20, 2002, at 2:32:14
> This stuff is sounding pretty good. My problem with it is that it is fish oil and, being a vegetarian, I can't touch it. Is there another product available that has the same active ingredient, but doesn't come from fish (or animal or fowl)?
There isn't a vegetarian source of EPA available, but you can buy DHA derived from algae. DHA is two carbons longer than EPA, and there is evidence that the body can do the conversion. Alternatively, use flax oil, and hope that your body lengthens and desaturates the alpha-linolenic acid it contains efficiently. This latter process is genetically determined. Some people don't do it to any appreciable extent.
Posted by viridis on October 20, 2002, at 14:31:52
In reply to Re: High Dose Omega-3 -, posted by Lyn on October 20, 2002, at 2:32:14
Hempseed oil has a high proportion of omega 3 fatty acids and is probably the closest vegetarian equivalent of fish oil (along with some of the algal derivatives mentioned by others). It's not yet widely available, but you can buy it from some online sources such as iherb.com -- they're very reliable.
The hempseed oil you buy for food/medicinal use comes from marijuana plants that have virtually no THC, and it's perfectly legal. It actually has kind of a pleasant, slightly nutty taste and I sometimes use it to make salad dressing. It does have to be kept refrigerated, and it can't be used as a cooking oil -- heat destroys its beneficial properties.
Posted by wcfrench on October 20, 2002, at 19:03:51
In reply to Re: High Dose Omega-3 - » Lyn, posted by viridis on October 20, 2002, at 14:31:52
I began taking fish oil and a B-complex yesterday. I took 2g fish oil and 1 vitamin yesterday, and today so far 1g fish oil and 1 vitamin. Today, I feel noticeably more depressed, and some very inhibiting symptoms have returned. I'm wondering if it's possible that I could be having an adverse reaction to the supplements? Has anyone experienced this?
I have also recently stopped Remeron (2 days ago) so it could be a withdrawal. But I didn't notice a change the first day after I didn't take it. And also, I usually get a fair amount of sleep but only got about 9 hours combined over the last 2 days. I admit that it could very well be because of these reasons, but what is more likely? The fish oil thing seems to be the culprit because of the timing, but does anyone have reason to believe otherwise? Thanks for your help.
-Charlie
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 21, 2002, at 6:44:17
In reply to A little help?, posted by wcfrench on October 20, 2002, at 19:03:51
> I began taking fish oil and a B-complex yesterday. I took 2g fish oil and 1 vitamin yesterday, and today so far 1g fish oil and 1 vitamin. Today, I feel noticeably more depressed, and some very inhibiting symptoms have returned. I'm wondering if it's possible that I could be having an adverse reaction to the supplements? Has anyone experienced this?
>
> I have also recently stopped Remeron (2 days ago) so it could be a withdrawal. But I didn't notice a change the first day after I didn't take it. And also, I usually get a fair amount of sleep but only got about 9 hours combined over the last 2 days. I admit that it could very well be because of these reasons, but what is more likely? The fish oil thing seems to be the culprit because of the timing, but does anyone have reason to believe otherwise? Thanks for your help.
>
> -CharlieCharlie, my gut reaction is that stopping Remeron is giving you the sinking feeling, but, there's no way to be sure because you made two changes at the same time (stopping med, starting supplements). Just to make it clear what's happening, you should make one change at a time.
Larry
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