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Posted by Irene on May 8, 2001, at 15:19:20
In reply to Re: Effexor: MY Conclusions » kid47, posted by SLS on May 8, 2001, at 8:18:39
Scott, I read your post with much interest.
>Often, when someone in your position discontinues an antidepressant and relapses, the previously effective drug is no longer effective.
Do you know why returning to a previously effective drug is often unsuccessful?
>The risk of relapse can be significantly reduced by coming off an antidepressant very gradually. So too can be the withdrawal effects. Most people do not do this. The most likely time until relapse, should it occur, is during the first 4 months.
I'm not clear on the above. Do you mean that if one feels well after stopping a drug, and if he/she is going to relapse, it most likely would happen within 4 months of stopping previous medication?
>It might be best for you to remain wary, and perhaps keep a mood diary. If you see yourself beginning to slide back towards depression, you might want to consider returning to Effexor as soon as possible and titrate the dosage up as quickly as you can tolerate.
Now I'm concerned. Every time I decreased from 225 to 150; 150 to 75; 75 to 37, I always got well again after a few weeks of 'yuckiness', therefore believing my depressive episode was over - that my body was able to muster up the serotonin after all. I had no relief, however, decreasing from 37 downward. Does that mean that the 2 months of yuckiness I felt then meant it was the real depression and I should have gone back to increasing Effexor instead of waiting that long? and therefore Effexor will no longer be effective for me in the future? That would be awful, because Effexor worked wonderfully for me.
confused, Irene
PS, are you in medical field, or are you speaking from personal experience only?
Posted by kid47 on May 8, 2001, at 15:19:52
In reply to Re: Effexor: MY Conclusions, posted by Irene on May 8, 2001, at 14:34:02
Hi Irene.
> How long after completely coming off Effexor did you feel well again?
Actually after about 11 mos, on FXR I began to feel "normal." When I realized this was not a fluke (or hypomania) I decided to wean off FXR. I started slooowly tapering my dose over about 7wks. & have continued to feel pretty good. This is day 14 med free so keep your fingers crossed!!!>Is your depression really over? That's such good news.
God I hope so!!!!! I also am aware it could return but trying to be optomistic.
> I myself weaned off last week, but started Serzone two days ago because I was still moody and had anxiety. I still wonder if it's the underlying depression I'm feeling or if I gave myself enough time after coming off the Effexor.
> IreneGood question. I'm curious....how long were you on FXR. What dose. Why did you stop taking it?
As you probably know It could take at least 6 weeks before you notice any improvement from the Serezone. In my case Serezone helped my anxiety but did little for my depression. It did make me very sleepy. But as u know everyone is different in their response to meds. Because of FXR's short half life & the time it might take for the Serezone to work you might be suffering from both a recurrence of depression & some discontinuation fx from the FXR. Geez....it's never easy is it. At any rate if you still feel lousy after a bit be sure & ask your doc about it. Good luck!! Take care
Posted by mstar on May 8, 2001, at 15:38:54
In reply to Re: Effexor: MY Conclusions » Irene, posted by kid47 on May 8, 2001, at 15:19:52
I take very few over the counter medications but I have a terrible back ache and I need to take some ibuprofen. I took 600 mg this morning (with food) and then 2 hours later my 150 mg effexor (again with food, I hate that eating thing, it's such an annoyance ;). I got several effects, an upset stomach, hot flashes and sweating and fatigue.
Has anyone else had problems when they've taken over the counter drugs and Effexor XR?
Ms
Posted by Irene on May 8, 2001, at 15:43:18
In reply to Re: Effexor: MY Conclusions » Irene, posted by kid47 on May 8, 2001, at 15:19:52
kid47,
I took Effexor for anxiety and clinical depression for 3 years (varying between 187.5 - 225 mg.), the last 9 months of which I finally had no depressive symtoms at all. Prior to that I had mild lows and fatigue here and there. But when I finally was truly well for 9 months straight, my doc and I decided to see if the depressive episode might be over, and began the tapering process 5 months ago.
Wow, your 7 weeks seems short to me! My doc wanted me to take a month with each step decrease to make sure I feel well for a while before doing another decrease.
What dosage were you at on Effexor, and Serzone? you mentioned you were being treated for anxiety and clinical depression. Was it that alone, or was there menopause, etc involved (sorry, I don't know your age).
Irene> Hi Irene.
>
> > How long after completely coming off Effexor did you feel well again?
>
> Actually after about 11 mos, on FXR I began to feel "normal." When I realized this was not a fluke (or hypomania) I decided to wean off FXR. I started slooowly tapering my dose over about 7wks. & have continued to feel pretty good. This is day 14 med free so keep your fingers crossed!!!
>
> >Is your depression really over? That's such good news.
>
> God I hope so!!!!! I also am aware it could return but trying to be optomistic.
>
>
> > I myself weaned off last week, but started Serzone two days ago because I was still moody and had anxiety. I still wonder if it's the underlying depression I'm feeling or if I gave myself enough time after coming off the Effexor.
> > Irene
>
> Good question. I'm curious....how long were you on FXR. What dose. Why did you stop taking it?
> As you probably know It could take at least 6 weeks before you notice any improvement from the Serezone. In my case Serezone helped my anxiety but did little for my depression. It did make me very sleepy. But as u know everyone is different in their response to meds. Because of FXR's short half life & the time it might take for the Serezone to work you might be suffering from both a recurrence of depression & some discontinuation fx from the FXR. Geez....it's never easy is it. At any rate if you still feel lousy after a bit be sure & ask your doc about it. Good luck!! Take care
Posted by Irene on May 8, 2001, at 15:50:09
In reply to Effexor and advil?, posted by mstar on May 8, 2001, at 15:38:54
MS,
I experienced tinnitus, heart palpitations, hot flashes when I took Advil a long time ago when I was on Effexor. I called my doctor, and she said ibuprofen can do that, as well as antihistamines. Therefore, she recommended Tylenol for pain relief, and nasal spray for colds. I have since then taken some Advil once in a while (lower than 600 mg, though) because Advil works better than Tylenol for me.
Irene> I take very few over the counter medications but I have a terrible back ache and I need to take some ibuprofen. I took 600 mg this morning (with food) and then 2 hours later my 150 mg effexor (again with food, I hate that eating thing, it's such an annoyance ;). I got several effects, an upset stomach, hot flashes and sweating and fatigue.
>
> Has anyone else had problems when they've taken over the counter drugs and Effexor XR?
>
> Ms
Posted by mstar on May 8, 2001, at 16:11:31
In reply to Re: Effexor and advil?, posted by Irene on May 8, 2001, at 15:50:09
that's good to know, thanks. I always take Ibuprofen because my pain is always muscles (although I avoid taking it when I can). Did your doctor say why?
Posted by kid47 on May 8, 2001, at 17:03:31
In reply to Re: Effexor: MY Conclusions, posted by Irene on May 8, 2001, at 15:43:18
Hi Irene. I was taking 300mg/day of FXR xr. I think my adding Prozac 20mg/day helped me avoid discontinuation problems as I weaned of FXR. I think too I am lucky to not be as med sensitive as some. If I had felt uncomfortable I definately would of stayed at a particular dose longer or even titrated back up(I'm really a wimp). Along with the FXR I was taking 3200mg Neurontin 100 mg. Topamax& Klonopin as needed. My dx is Bipolar II. I am not conviced that is accurate but as long as it can be successfuly treated I don't care what the heck they call it. My max dosage on Serezone was 400mg in the pm. Even though I'm 48 I don't think menopause is a factor mainly because I am male. LOL. (Although my wife says I exhibit many of the symptoms) Male menopause?
Scott is correct (as always) about certain drugs sometimes not being effective the 2nd time around. The up side is sometimes a drug you have tried unsuccessfully in the past might work the 2nd time. But most of us don't retry a med that didn't work initially.
If you didn't have intolerable side fx with FXR & your mood does not improve after an adequate trial with Serezone u might want to chat with your doc about starting back on FXR. Hope this helps. Take care.
> I took Effexor for anxiety and clinical depression for 3 years (varying between 187.5 - 225 mg.), the last 9 months of which I finally had no depressive symtoms at all. Prior to that I had mild lows and fatigue here and there. But when I finally was truly well for 9 months straight, my doc and I decided to see if the depressive episode might be over, and began the tapering process 5 months ago.
> Wow, your 7 weeks seems short to me! My doc wanted me to take a month with each step decrease to make sure I feel well for a while before doing another decrease.
> What dosage were you at on Effexor, and Serzone? you mentioned you were being treated for anxiety and clinical depression. Was it that alone, or was there menopause, etc involved (sorry, I don't know your age).
> Irene
Posted by Irene on May 9, 2001, at 11:25:04
In reply to Re: Effexor and advil?, posted by mstar on May 8, 2001, at 16:11:31
Sorry, I didn't bother asking what kind of drug interaction happens on the chemical level when those are taken together.
Irene> that's good to know, thanks. I always take Ibuprofen because my pain is always muscles (although I avoid taking it when I can). Did your doctor say why?
Posted by SLS on May 9, 2001, at 18:01:31
In reply to Re: Effexor: MY Conclusions, posted by Irene on May 8, 2001, at 15:19:20
Hi Irene.
> >Often, when someone in your position discontinues an antidepressant and relapses, the previously effective drug is no longer effective.
> Do you know why returning to a previously effective drug is often unsuccessful?
No.
I might be tempted to try to create the "hypothesis of the day", except that it would give the false impression that the brain is so readily understandable. That is not to say that the workings of the brain are still the total mystery that they were only a few decades ago. However, far less is known than unknown, and even less is understood. What is known is that the brain, like many other components of our biology, can and does change in response to varying stimuli. When a drug is introduced to the brain for the first time, it reacts strongly to it. It is said to be "naive" to that particular drug. As time progresses, the brain and its neurons make adjustments in an effort to compensate for these new forces. They try to function in the way they think they are supposed to instead of in the way they are being forced to. Neuroscience has observed that some of these compensatory changes involve the numbers and "stickiness" of neuron receptors, increases or decreases in the amount of neurotransmitters, and the excitability of the neuron to receive and send messages.
When some drugs are discontinued, the brain does not return exactly to the same state it was prior to their introduction. I guess this can be a good thing if some of the changes produced means that it is "holding" the remission of depression. However, if the need arises for the reintroduction of the same drug, it is not encountering the same brain. There are residual changes to the brain that have been produced by its previous exposure to it. These changes may persist for years. The brain is no longer naive it, and might not react to it in the same way or as strongly. I guess you could say that the brain is less likely to be fooled by the same magic trick.
> >The risk of relapse can be significantly reduced by coming off an antidepressant very gradually. So too can be the withdrawal effects. Most people do not do this. The most likely time until relapse, should it occur, is during the first 4 months.
> I'm not clear on the above. Do you mean that if one feels well after stopping a drug, and if he/she is going to relapse, it most likely would happen within 4 months of stopping previous medication?
Yes. Exactly.
> >It might be best for you to remain wary, and perhaps keep a mood diary. If you see yourself beginning to slide back towards depression, you might want to consider returning to Effexor as soon as possible and titrate the dosage up as quickly as you can tolerate.
> Now I'm concerned. Every time I decreased from 225 to 150; 150 to 75; 75 to 37, I always got well again after a few weeks of 'yuckiness', therefore believing my depressive episode was over - that my body was able to muster up the serotonin after all. I had no relief, however, decreasing from 37 downward. Does that mean that the 2 months of yuckiness I felt then meant it was the real depression and I should have gone back to increasing Effexor instead of waiting that long? and therefore Effexor will no longer be effective for me in the future? That would be awful, because Effexor worked wonderfully for me.
I really don't think you placed yourself in a position of risk to qualify for the scenario I described above because you have not stopped taking Effexor completely nor for very long. If you and your doctor have become convinced that you need to continue treatment, everything should be peachy-keen once you return to your optimal therapeutic dosage.
Something that was mentioned by a smart person whose name I don't recall was that one must be careful not to confuse the withdrawal effects of drug discontinuation with the return of depression. I find that some drugs can exert a stimulatory or activating effect. As the drug is withdrawn, there might be a sort of stimulant let-down and fatigue with each reduction of dosage. I get the impression that the dopamine effects of Effexor are underestimated, and that such a let-down upon its discontinuation is possible.
If you are indeed relapsing into depression, raising the dosage of Effexor again will do the trick. Don't worry. :-)
> PS, are you in medical field, or are you speaking from personal experience only?
I consider myself as being in the medical field in so far as it is the field where the doctors are playing their football game. I'm only the ball.
- Scott
Posted by mvaureen on May 9, 2001, at 23:52:47
In reply to Re:Intractable Effexor Withdrawl , posted by wiley on September 2, 2000, at 19:22:01
Thanks to all of you who have submitted to this thread, I did not go to the emergency room today. I tapered the dosage, as instructed by my doctor, as I began to take Wellbutrin [I am up to 300 mgs of that]. Sunday, three days ago, I finished my last of the 37.5 mg doses of Effexor. Initially, the Wellbutrin made the trip down on Effexor easier. However, by last week I could hardly notice it working at all. I do believe that I could never have made it down to 37.5 mgs without it, though. I'm not sure that my doctor is up to date on the use of Zoloft or Prozac to assist tapering off of Effexor. My deeply traumatic depression of three years ago is still gone, even though I am experiencing ghastly withdrawal symptoms and have since two days ago when I had been off of Effexor for one day. Oddly, it is only after vomitting that the shock sensations and brain shivers are lessened to a tolerable level. While grateful that I am not in the mental and emotional state I was three years ago when I began Effexor, I had by this year developed an extraordinary lack of motivation, a need for 10-12 hours of sleep per day, a massive weight gain, and a general lethargy. I decided that the drug had sedated me too much for too long. Gone was the depression, but along came the stupor I lived in for two years. I knew that the symptoms of withdrawal were frightening and horrific, as I had missed a few doses over the last few years. I did not know, however, that without the last level of 37.5 mgs in my system, I would experience the symptoms you all have described here. My goal is to find an account of someone who has reported no withdrawal symptoms and find out how long it took for them to reach that state. If any of you know of someone like this, please post it. Like I said, I almost went to the ER tonight because I thought that I might die. Your notes helped me to realize that this might [I hope] be temporary. I have no doses of Effexor left. Strangely, I have no cravings for the drug itself -- only a desperate wish for this agony of withdrawal to be over. Much thanks, Maureen
Posted by kid47 on May 10, 2001, at 9:32:14
In reply to Re:Intractable Effexor Withdrawl , posted by mvaureen on May 9, 2001, at 23:52:47
Hi. Sorry you're having such trouble. Re: Successfull FXR discontinuation. See just about any Kid 47 posts.
Hope this helps. Take care
> Thanks to all of you who have submitted to this thread, I did not go to the emergency room today. I tapered the dosage, as instructed by my doctor, as I began to take Wellbutrin [I am up to 300 mgs of that]. Sunday, three days ago, I finished my last of the 37.5 mg doses of Effexor. Initially, the Wellbutrin made the trip down on Effexor easier. However, by last week I could hardly notice it working at all. I do believe that I could never have made it down to 37.5 mgs without it, though. I'm not sure that my doctor is up to date on the use of Zoloft or Prozac to assist tapering off of Effexor. My deeply traumatic depression of three years ago is still gone, even though I am experiencing ghastly withdrawal symptoms and have since two days ago when I had been off of Effexor for one day. Oddly, it is only after vomitting that the shock sensations and brain shivers are lessened to a tolerable level. While grateful that I am not in the mental and emotional state I was three years ago when I began Effexor, I had by this year developed an extraordinary lack of motivation, a need for 10-12 hours of sleep per day, a massive weight gain, and a general lethargy. I decided that the drug had sedated me too much for too long. Gone was the depression, but along came the stupor I lived in for two years. I knew that the symptoms of withdrawal were frightening and horrific, as I had missed a few doses over the last few years. I did not know, however, that without the last level of 37.5 mgs in my system, I would experience the symptoms you all have described here. My goal is to find an account of someone who has reported no withdrawal symptoms and find out how long it took for them to reach that state. If any of you know of someone like this, please post it. Like I said, I almost went to the ER tonight because I thought that I might die. Your notes helped me to realize that this might [I hope] be temporary. I have no doses of Effexor left. Strangely, I have no cravings for the drug itself -- only a desperate wish for this agony of withdrawal to be over. Much thanks, Maureen
Posted by mvaureen on May 10, 2001, at 10:10:33
In reply to Re:Intractable Effexor Withdrawl » mvaureen, posted by kid47 on May 10, 2001, at 9:32:14
Thanks, kid. I realize that the withdrawal symptoms were probably at their most severe yesterday [the third day]. I will not take it now! Reading more of what you and others posted, I must remember to state that I was what I thought was irretrievably depressed before Effexor. So, to those who wonder if the drug itself works -- it does. While I do not like the side effects, I must say it probably saved my life. No one who is as depressed as most patients who start Effexor should attempt simply a chemical recovery, in my opinion. My therapist changed my life dramatically for the better. I read last night that at least one user of Effexor among other drugs concludes that Effexor should be the choice as a last, not first, strike against the chemical imbalance associated with depression. I think my doctor assumed I knew how bad these withdrawal symptoms can be. Anyway, I have had to take a few days off at work. This is not the most pleasant vacation, but I realize that Effexor is a strong measure and thus is given to a strong effect during stoppage. Thanks again! Maureen
Posted by battygoth on May 10, 2001, at 17:49:24
In reply to Re: New to Effexor, posted by mtm on May 7, 2001, at 13:34:11
Seems that different people have different side effects, and oddly enough sometimes they are opposites. Really makes you wonder. Anyway, I am also new to Effexor. I have been on it 2 wks and 3 days. It is recommended to wean into this drug as well as out so I started at only 37.5mg for the first week. I felt nothing happen at this dose. Then I started the 75mg. Still no change for about another week. But the last 3 days have been hell. I have absolutely no improvement in anxiety and if anything, I'm worse. I was given this for anxiety, not depression, but I think it is making me depressed! I cannot get out of bed in the morning and I have trouble staying awake once I finally do. I have missed 2 days of private computer school which costs thousands of dollars and I cannot go on like this. I could hardly fix myself breakfast this morning and was so tired that I had to eat it in bed, put the plate down beside my bed and go back to sleep for 4 hrs. I think it is like what someone else wrote on a post I came across that was from last year. Someone mentioned having more dreams and having more vivid dreams. I have noticed past couple of days also that I am having upsetting dreams and that I am waking up in the middle of this dream stage and I think that when the brain is disturbed during this dream stage of sleep you end up feeling exhausted and not well rested and I think that is why I keep going back to sleep including sleeping for several hours in the afternoon the past few days. I took this drug with positive expectations and did not look at possible side effects so that my interpretations of how I felt would not be biased. I only started to look up possible side effects of sleepiness after I noticed this change in myself. I am really disappointed that this drug is not working out for me. I am afraid to even try other meds as I will have no idea what negative effects they will have on me and I cannot afford to miss more days of school. I injured my back and my leg from competing in bicycle racing while having scoliosis. I have permanent damage and am in chronic pain for which I am prescribed pain meds. The FXR was given to me by the pain clinic I go to. I have been unable to ride a bicycle for about 4 years and it was my whole life, it was everything to me. Now with this FXR I am having vivid dreams of trying to ride a bike again and it is immensely disturbing and upsetting. Anyone else experiencing side effects of vivid and upsetting dreams and inability to stay awake feel free to contact me at intheflatfields@hotmail.com .
Posted by Craftnkidz on May 11, 2001, at 8:32:10
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I have been taking Effexor for about 1 year. I have been experiencing my hands shaking so badly that I can hardly hold onto things and when I go to pick something up I often knock it over. I am a painter and this just can't go on any longer. Effexor seems to be working fine if I stay on 300mg daily. I do not drink any caffeine, and I lead a pretty dull life. I have tried to come down on my mg. but my depression and fatigue get worse as my shakes get better. Help! I need the medication but it is putting a damper on my work. I also experience extreeme vertigo with the lower doses, it is too much to walk at times.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Angela
Posted by Alissa on May 11, 2001, at 12:42:28
In reply to Effexor XR vs. Paxil and weight gain , posted by Louise on March 14, 2000, at 23:35:34
I have been on Paxil for about two months now. Like everyone else, it's working BUT the weight gain is horrible. Has anyone lost the weight after switching to Effexor?
Posted by Ann NY on May 11, 2001, at 15:09:18
In reply to Re: New to Effexor, posted by battygoth on May 10, 2001, at 17:49:24
I'm sorry to hear you are having trouble on Effexor. (Read my post - I started a new thead)
I have had a great experience on it. But like you, I didn't respond to a 75mg dose and it made me absolutely hypersomatic - which is a known and common initial side effect. I, like you, have slept through entire weekends. I was given a sleeping pill perscription when I started Effexor because the of the conflict of side effects - sleepy during the day and awake at night. I got Xanax and the Ambien and now nothing.
My doctor wouldn't increase my dose to 150 mg until I was on 75 mg for 4 weeks. It took 3-4 weeks for the 150 mg to kick in and suddenly I woke up one day and felt great!! At this point my energy level and sleep cycle were completely back to normal.
My anxiety was reduced after about 3 weeks at 75 mg and completely at 150 mg. Maybe you just need longer - but I also had a little help from the Xanax.
I didn't have bad dreams like you but I couldn't remember my dreams which was unusual for me. The first dream I could remember was the one on the morning I woke up feeling great - and it was a great dream!
In the begining, I was also on Ritalin which is a stimulant. It was absolutely necessary because it was taking me 4 hours to get up and brush my teeth!
I'm now at 225 mg and my anxiety and obsessive thinking are gone! The drug takes a while to kick in.
I hope you will be feeling better soon. If you've been on it this long maybe you should give it more time before you switch to another med. I stayed on it because I new there wasn't much else that would work for me - and I'm glad I did. The sleeping problem is a difficult one to deal with but it got better for me.
Posted by jerz on May 11, 2001, at 16:18:28
In reply to Re: Effexor XR vs. Paxil and weight gain , posted by Alissa on May 11, 2001, at 12:42:28
> I have been on Paxil for about two months now. Like everyone else, it's working BUT the weight gain is horrible. Has anyone lost the weight after switching to Effexor?
Hi, I switched from Celexa to Effexor and lost about 15-20 pounds. That's the good news... The bad news is that I gained 20 pounds in 2 months while weaning off the Effexor.
Everyone is different... good luck.
Jerz
Posted by Seraphim on May 11, 2001, at 17:29:00
In reply to Re: Effexor XR vs. Paxil and weight gain , posted by Alissa on May 11, 2001, at 12:42:28
> I have been on Paxil for about two months now. Like everyone else, it's working BUT the weight gain is horrible. Has anyone lost the weight after switching to Effexor?
I gained 50lbs over two years on Effexor and I eat a very low fat diet and lots of veggies. Now that I'm weaning, I'm losing the weight. Just my experience.
Posted by Ann NY on May 11, 2001, at 20:31:43
In reply to Effexor and advil?, posted by mstar on May 8, 2001, at 15:38:54
Ms
Sorry to hear you had trouble taking ibuprofen with Effexor. You said you normally don't take it. When you do, do you normally take 600 mg of Ibuprofen? Genrally the dose is 200-400mg.
I have taken ibuprofen routinely for tension headaches etc. for years so my system is used to high doses, 400-800mg. I've had no problems taking it now that I'm on Effexor.
My Dr. says that Effexor is highly compatible with most all OTC drugs as well as most prescription drugs.
As we're all learning, everyone's body is different.
I hope Tylenol will work better for you.
P.S. I know what you mean about the eating thing.
Posted by Pharma on May 12, 2001, at 5:54:32
In reply to New to Effexor, posted by Iris on May 7, 2001, at 10:33:44
> Hi,I am new to this and I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long it takes for the side effects to go away - will they at all? I started taking Effexor a week ago and I am taking 75mg a day. So far I'm having the following side effects:Trouble sleeping (I sleep for about three to four hours wake up and I'm wide awake,can't go back to sleep) plus I can't remember my dreams anymore.My jaw feels very tight with pain going into my ears.I am very! constipated :-( My arms and legs are falling asleep and I get this tingly feeling in my whole body.I constantly have sweaty palms. I did fell a little nausea for the first couple of days but that went away. I don't have much appetite. If there is someone out there who knows how long it takes for it to go away, please let me know.I am very scared taking this drug, like I said I am new to this. Thank's a lot to anyone who will answer me
I took Efexor for just over 2 years. I found out that it was a very nasty drug. I also could not remember most of my dreams. I must warn you now about the enormous effects of withdrawing of this drug before I go any further. I tapered Efexor off as slowly as I could. I started to go mad towards the end. I had a lot of suicidal and even homicidal thoughts. In a sane moment, I realised that I must get of it. I had to go into hospital when I was withdrawing. The doctors had me on 40mg of diazepam (Valium), and 100mg of chlorpromazine (Largactil, Thorazine) a day and I was still bouncing off the walls. I could not even read a whole page of a novel for about 6 months after. I could have killed someone at the drop of a hat. IT IS VERY NASTY STUFF. I warn you to stop taking it if you can. As for the tight jaw you mentioned, that sounds like a cholinergic effect. It is a very powerful drug that should be reserved for sever cases of depression. I have numb fingers now thanks to Efexor and it was over a year since I stopped taking it. Be warned.
Posted by hf on May 12, 2001, at 11:24:53
In reply to Effexor: MY Conclusions, posted by kid47 on May 7, 2001, at 14:43:15
Has anyone had any good/bad experiences with Wellbutrin? I am now off of EXR for 3 weeks and am sort of getting over the withdrawls however, I am noticing that I am also having some of the depression coming back. I was on 375 mg of EXR plus 175 mg Wellbutrin 2x/day. I stopped both but now am wondering if I should stay on the Wellbutrin for a while by itself. After the AWFUL withdrawls from EXR, I don't want to get back into something that will do the same thing to me. Does anyone have any experience as to what WB's side effects are and any problem with withdrawl from it? And how it has helped them? Or not?
Thanks!hf
Posted by battygoth on May 12, 2001, at 11:28:17
In reply to Re: New to Effexor, posted by Ann NY on May 11, 2001, at 15:09:18
-Ann NY
Thanks for the input. I'm from NY, but live in MD now. Anyway, what really angered me was that this drug was given out like candy at the pain clinic. The nurse practitioner has the authority to write prescriptions and give out free samples of FXR even tho he is not required to have any psychiatric training. Therefore, he is ill informed of side effects and how to prescribe a drug cocktail to help patients thru side effects. I just quit FXR cold turkey bec I've only been on it a short time and luckily it hasn't really made me very sick. And I am grateful that I can actually get out of bed and stay up. I am so annoyed that this nurse practioner can hand out this drug like its tylenol and he was completely unconcerned when I told him it made me sleep all day and unable to go to school. He did not care and did not offer any other medical solutions. He went as far as to ask me how I even know its FXR. He never even did a psych eval on me. He walks into the room and immediately blurts out that I have anxiety, take this. He doesn't even seem to know that different people have different types of anxiety. I admitted to having anxiety for years, well before my chronic pain incident. I did not tell him about my repetitive behaviors, hair picking, skin picking etc which would be important in determining which drug to prescribe. I was just too blinded with the idea of saving money and being able to get free med from him. Now I learned the hard way that I will have to see a qualified psychiatrist if I want to try something else. I am probably going to write a letter to the nursing board and physician boards in my state asking them to reconsider allowing non-psychiatric professionals to prescribe psychiatric drugs with serious side effects without having the necessary training background to do so and without considering how that affects the "victim" (patient). You just can't treat SSRIs or other psych drugs, whatever they consider FXR to be, like its an over the counter pain reliever or like its a bandaid cure-all. He seems to think that it is as simple as noting that someone seems anxious, but then again, how many people feel anxious when going to the doctor about a serious and chronic injury??? DUH! So to freely give out drugs like FXR w/o really examining the patient from a psychiatric standpoint is just totally absurd and irresponsible in my opinion. I just happened to have anxiety, but like I said, its nothing to do with the chronic pain because I've always had problems. It was tempting to not see a psychiatrist bec I do not currently have health insurance and they usually charge mega bucks unless I'm confusing what they charge with what psychologists/therapists charge. Anyway, I will see what I can do as I'd maybe like to try something like paroxetine as I've read it can help for people with anxiety with a touch of OCD.
-Jen C.
Posted by Cindylou on May 12, 2001, at 14:30:32
In reply to Any one with good/bad exp. w/ Wellbutrin?, posted by hf on May 12, 2001, at 11:24:53
Hi -
I am on 300 mg of Wellbutrin, and I have also just come off of Effexor. It's been about 3 or 4 weeks for me as well. So I guess we were both suffering at the same time! (UGH.) But we made it.Anyway, I was taking the Wellbutrin and Effexor together, and stayed on the Wellbutrin while going off Effexor. I have no bad side effects at all from the Wellbutrin, but it isn't really enough alone to help with my depression (I have been seeking some alternatives to SSRIs since I don't tolerate them well).
I have been on Wellbutrin in the past and then gone off of it to get pregnant -- I had NO problems at all with withdrawal symptoms. All in all, Wellbutrin has been very kind to me! In your case, I wouldn't hesitate to go back on it; it could give you the support you need right now.
Good luck, and keep me posted on what you decide to do -
-cindy> Has anyone had any good/bad experiences with Wellbutrin? I am now off of EXR for 3 weeks and am sort of getting over the withdrawls however, I am noticing that I am also having some of the depression coming back. I was on 375 mg of EXR plus 175 mg Wellbutrin 2x/day. I stopped both but now am wondering if I should stay on the Wellbutrin for a while by itself. After the AWFUL withdrawls from EXR, I don't want to get back into something that will do the same thing to me. Does anyone have any experience as to what WB's side effects are and any problem with withdrawl from it? And how it has helped them? Or not?
> Thanks!
>
> hf
Posted by kid47 on May 12, 2001, at 18:46:06
In reply to Re: New to Effexor, posted by Pharma on May 12, 2001, at 5:54:32
Hi. Sorry you had such difficulties involving FXR. There are a number of us here, including myself, who have had great results with FXR. It "cured" my treatment resistance depression & I successfuly weaned off of 300mgs FXR xr with no discontinuation fx. Just reinforces the idea that we all can respond differently to meds. Take care.
> I took Efexor for just over 2 years. I found out that it was a very nasty drug. I also could not remember most of my dreams. I must warn you now about the enormous effects of withdrawing of this drug before I go any further. I tapered Efexor off as slowly as I could. I started to go mad towards the end. I had a lot of suicidal and even homicidal thoughts. In a sane moment, I realised that I must get of it. I had to go into hospital when I was withdrawing. The doctors had me on 40mg of diazepam (Valium), and 100mg of chlorpromazine (Largactil, Thorazine) a day and I was still bouncing off the walls. I could not even read a whole page of a novel for about 6 months after. I could have killed someone at the drop of a hat. IT IS VERY NASTY STUFF. I warn you to stop taking it if you can. As for the tight jaw you mentioned, that sounds like a cholinergic effect. It is a very powerful drug that should be reserved for sever cases of depression. I have numb fingers now thanks to Efexor and it was over a year since I stopped taking it. Be warned.
Posted by hf on May 12, 2001, at 23:20:28
In reply to Re: Any one with good/bad exp. w/ Wellbutrin? » hf, posted by Cindylou on May 12, 2001, at 14:30:32
> Hi -
> I am on 300 mg of Wellbutrin, and I have also just come off of Effexor. It's been about 3 or 4 weeks for me as well. So I guess we were both suffering at the same time! (UGH.) But we made it.
>
> Anyway, I was taking the Wellbutrin and Effexor together, and stayed on the Wellbutrin while going off Effexor. I have no bad side effects at all from the Wellbutrin, but it isn't really enough alone to help with my depression (I have been seeking some alternatives to SSRIs since I don't tolerate them well).
>
> I have been on Wellbutrin in the past and then gone off of it to get pregnant -- I had NO problems at all with withdrawal symptoms. All in all, Wellbutrin has been very kind to me! In your case, I wouldn't hesitate to go back on it; it could give you the support you need right now.
>
> Good luck, and keep me posted on what you decide to do -
> -cindy
>
Thanks, Cindy! I decided today, after reading some of the archive posts, to go back on to the Wellbutrin. I am starting with one 175 mg in the morning and will do that for a week and then go back to the 2x/day routine. I am also on Klonopin (although "they" have talked about putting me on Dilantin instead) for muscle spasms due to some rather serious injuries in the past (car, horse, snow mobile wrecks). It has helped quite a bit with the anxiety, too, and I can decide how much to take from a part of to three pills/day depending on how I am doing. I usually just use 1 per day. I will see how the "just" Wellbutrin goes and if I need any different routine with the Klonopin.It's sort of a weird feeling, I guess, but it helps to know someone else was going through The Withdrawal at the same time. Not that I would wish that on ANYONE, but, if you were going to be going through it anyways, then, at least we did it together (sort of :D )
I am supposed to see my pdoc this coming Tuesday and plan to tell him what I've decided about the NO EXR!!! and to try the Wellbutrin solo. Will be interesting....
Thanks, again!
HF
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