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Posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
Can someone please advise me? I've just had a horrible meeting with a psychiatrist who favours the confrontational approach. He is a sort of behaviourist so he had told me to give up Prozac, which I'd been prescribed 2 weeks before by another pdoc. And to stop taking Xanax or he wouldn't treat me. I told him that wasn't safe done suddenly. He said it is quite often and if I felt happier I could stop it 4 3 2 1. I said if he told patients to stop it suddenly he was being irresponsible, which is where all the name calling started. "Incredibly adolescent", "a 5 year old", "unbelievably arrogant" etc. My wife was present and it didn't help when she agreed. He would occasionally snigger to my wife over some sad fact that I came up with, like the contents of my medicine cupboard.
So now he's refusing to treat me. I could try giving up Xanax, but why when it helps? I thought CBT worked better in combination with drugs. Where should I go from here ?
Thanks for reading this
Fred
Posted by pat123 on March 15, 2001, at 18:47:58
In reply to Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
> Can someone please advise me? I've just had a horrible meeting with a psychiatrist who favours the confrontational approach.
Consult with another doc, this one doesn't sound very helpful.Pat
Posted by JahL on March 15, 2001, at 19:44:43
In reply to Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
> > Can someone please advise me? I've just had a horrible meeting with a psychiatrist who favours the confrontational approach. He is a sort of behaviourist so he had told me to give up Prozac, which I'd been prescribed 2 weeks before by another pdoc. And to stop taking Xanax or he wouldn't treat me. I told him that wasn't safe done suddenly. He said it is quite often and if I felt happier I could stop it 4 3 2 1. I said if he told patients to stop it suddenly he was being irresponsible, which is where all the name calling started. "Incredibly adolescent", "a 5 year old", "unbelievably arrogant" etc.
Pot, kettle.
> >My wife was present and it didn't help when she agreed. He would occasionally snigger to my wife over some sad fact that I came up with, like the contents of my medicine cupboard.
> > So now he's refusing to treat me. I could try giving up Xanax, but why when it helps? I thought CBT worked better in combination with drugs. Where should I go from here ?
> > Thanks for reading this
> > FredPsychiatrist or psychotherapist? Whichever, don't give this idiot any more of your time. Find a good pdoc, & subsequently the correct meds & you may find CBT becomes redundant. After all it's only a way of helping people deal with the inadequacies of their prescribed meds (IMO).
Good luck; you need it with quacks like that around.
J.
Posted by kazoo on March 15, 2001, at 23:32:10
In reply to Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
> Where should I go from here?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^To your state's Board of Licensing, and/or Department of Public Health, to report this so-called professional.
File a formal complaint, as I had done recently with a UCONN M.D. who was doing just about the same thing to me.
Of course, you won't be able to see this person again, but consider yourself lucky.
kazoo
Posted by steve on March 16, 2001, at 1:40:46
In reply to Re: Abusive psychiatrists » Fred Potter, posted by kazoo on March 15, 2001, at 23:32:10
> > Where should I go from here?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> To your state's Board of Licensing, and/or Department of Public Health, to report this so-called professional.
> File a formal complaint, as I had done recently with a UCONN M.D. who was doing just about the same thing to me.
> Of course, you won't be able to see this person again, but consider yourself lucky.
> kazooAnd this will result in more than a slap on the wrist?
Dr. Breggin, for all his inadequacies, does make a valid point when he points out that, while there are plenty of decent shrinks out there (Dr. Bob imo), the ability to play god by administering forced druggings, restraints, electroshock and the like does also attract, (and make) some pretty wacked out people. The traitor Hanssen had talked about becoming a shrink for precisely that reason.
Stephen King's "the Green Mile" made much light of the rampant sadism that was found in penal institutes and psych wards in the 1930s.
S.
Posted by Neal on March 16, 2001, at 2:27:58
In reply to Re: Abusive psychiatrists » kazoo, posted by steve on March 16, 2001, at 1:40:46
I had a screaming shrink once. I ditched her IMMEDIATELY.
Posted by Eric on March 16, 2001, at 10:02:45
In reply to Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
> Can someone please advise me? I've just had a horrible meeting with a psychiatrist who favours the confrontational approach. He is a sort of behaviourist so he had told me to give up Prozac, which I'd been prescribed 2 weeks before by another pdoc. And to stop taking Xanax or he wouldn't treat me. I told him that wasn't safe done suddenly. He said it is quite often and if I felt happier I could stop it 4 3 2 1. I said if he told patients to stop it suddenly he was being irresponsible, which is where all the name calling started. "Incredibly adolescent", "a 5 year old", "unbelievably arrogant" etc. My wife was present and it didn't help when she agreed. He would occasionally snigger to my wife over some sad fact that I came up with, like the contents of my medicine cupboard.
>
> So now he's refusing to treat me. I could try giving up Xanax, but why when it helps? I thought CBT worked better in combination with drugs. Where should I go from here ?
> Thanks for reading this
> FredReporting this person to your state Medical Board is the best idea. Very few Pdocs expect that to happen, as most people dont even know about the Medical Board thing. And doctors like it that way too. No MD likes getting a complaint from the Medical Board, it will give them an Excedrin headache for a few days.
Sometimes a complaint from the medical board will straighten out a psychiatrist's attitude problem, which many of them do have.
Advice: dont be excessively emotional in your report to the Medical Board. Dont come across like a raving lunatic or anything to them in the complaint. Just report the facts as you see them and tell them your Pdoc is jerky acting. Write a professional looking written complaint to them and the board will pay more attention to that. Use good quality resume paper for the final report you send them, use a laser printer, no typos, proper grammar, no profanity, etc.
Eric
Posted by TomV on March 16, 2001, at 11:34:25
In reply to Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
> Can someone please advise me? I've just had a horrible meeting with a psychiatrist who favours the confrontational approach. He is a sort of behaviourist so he had told me to give up Prozac, which I'd been prescribed 2 weeks before by another pdoc. And to stop taking Xanax or he wouldn't treat me. I told him that wasn't safe done suddenly. He said it is quite often and if I felt happier I could stop it 4 3 2 1. I said if he told patients to stop it suddenly he was being irresponsible, which is where all the name calling started. "Incredibly adolescent", "a 5 year old", "unbelievably arrogant" etc. My wife was present and it didn't help when she agreed. He would occasionally snigger to my wife over some sad fact that I came up with, like the contents of my medicine cupboard.
>
> So now he's refusing to treat me. I could try giving up Xanax, but why when it helps? I thought CBT worked better in combination with drugs. Where should I go from here ?
> Thanks for reading this
> FredFire this guy right away... and report him to your Medical Board. Stoppin xanax on a dime?? No chance; that's basic medicine 101.
I'd ask for a refund too. I wouldn't expect one, but I'd ask just to rattle his cage after reporting him. This guy should be practing medicine on lab rats, not people.
Posted by kazoo on March 17, 2001, at 0:48:39
In reply to Re: Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Neal on March 16, 2001, at 2:27:58
> I had a screaming shrink once. I ditched her IMMEDIATELY.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would have suggested she go see a psychiatrist, and if she knew any good ones.
Greetings to Neal.(a new & improved) kazoo
Posted by freudiangarterbelt on March 17, 2001, at 9:45:25
In reply to Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
> Can someone please advise me? I've just had a horrible meeting with a psychiatrist who favours the confrontational approach. He is a sort of behaviourist so he had told me to give up Prozac, which I'd been prescribed 2 weeks before by another pdoc. And to stop taking Xanax or he wouldn't treat me. I told him that wasn't safe done suddenly. He said it is quite often and if I felt happier I could stop it 4 3 2 1. I said if he told patients to stop it suddenly he was being irresponsible, which is where all the name calling started. "Incredibly adolescent", "a 5 year old", "unbelievably arrogant" etc. My wife was present and it didn't help when she agreed. He would occasionally snigger to my wife over some sad fact that I came up with, like the contents of my medicine cupboard.
>
> So now he's refusing to treat me. I could try giving up Xanax, but why when it helps? I thought CBT worked better in combination with drugs. Where should I go from here ?
> Thanks for reading this
> FredWell Fred perhaps he is right. I would suggest you check his credentials , training, and patient load. If he is really busy he may actually be extremely good and interested in what he does. He may also be frustrated with patients that only listen to what they want to hear. If he is wrong what have you lost? If he is right what will you have gained. This is of course my amature opinion (it is always easier to look at something from the outside) The path to happiness is paved with suffering . I have no doubt you are well on your way to joy.
Posted by steve on March 17, 2001, at 19:41:20
In reply to Abusive psychiatrists, posted by Fred Potter on March 15, 2001, at 18:00:52
Y'all ain't seen nothing yet: Try this http://www.counterpunch.org/gottlieb.html
Gottlieb was a man of darkness. He sponsored research by the infamous Dr Ewen Cameron, a world famous shrink who had clinic in Montreal at McGill where he dosed unwitting subjects (who had entered voluntarily for psychiatric treatment) with huge jolts of electricity through their brains, plus drugs plus lobotomies. Many people had their lives thus destroyed in Cameron's research, financed by Gottlieb and also by the Rockefeller Foundation. Cameron invented a particularly ghastly process called "psychic driving" whereby drugged and shocked patients, whom Cameron believed he had wiped clean of their previous personalities, would have tapes played sixteen hours a day, dictating their new personalities.
From time to time the patients, given Thorazine, Nebutal and Seconal, would be hauled off, administered amphetamines as a wake-up call, then get < b > ECT at voltages forty times greater than was considered safe at the time < /b >. Cameron died of a heart attack while mountain climbing in 1967. Gottlieb had finessed Cameron $60,000 in the late Fifties for his experiments. Eventually the CIA settled with some of Cameron's victims.
Gottlieb also funded the experiments of Dr. Harris Isbell. Isbell ran the Center for Addiction Research in Lexington, Kentucky. Passing through Isbell's center was a captive group of human guinea pigs in the form of a steady stream of black heroin addicts. More than 800 different chemical compounds were shipped from Gottlieb to Lexington for testing on Isbell's patients.
Perhaps the most infamous experiment came when Isbell < b >gave LSD to seven black men for seventy-seven straight days.< /b > Isbell's research notes indicates that he gave the men "quadruple" the "normal" dosages. The doctor marveled at the men's apparent tolerance to these remarkable amounts of LSD. Isbell wrote in his notes that "this type of behavior is to be expected in patients of this type."
In other Gottlieb-funded experiment at the Center, Isbell had nine black males strapped to tables, injected them with psylocybin, inserted rectal thermometers, had lights shown in their eyes to measure pupil dilation and had their joints whacked to test neural reactions.
Gottlieb's research was never a case of pure science. He was a practical man. From the beginning, Gottlieb saw himself as part of the operational wing of the CIA. Even the forays into LSD research, Gottlieb saw a testing for a potential chemical warfare weapon. He arranged a contract with Eli Lily to produce synthetic LSD "in tonnage quantities." The aim was to have enough acid to incapacitate large populations and armies.
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