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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Cindy W on June 1, 2000, at 9:53:53
In reply to Re: Are we done yet?--to CAM, posted by Noa on June 1, 2000, at 7:52:24
> Cam, I hope you aren't leaving babble altogether.
Cam, I agree with Noa! Wish everybody would just ignore the "flame wars" some people like to start, just to get a rise out of others. This board is too valuable and everyone on it is too valuable to waste time with that. How about letting this thread lapse and go back to talking about depression and how to live happier lives?--Cindy W
Posted by Janice on June 1, 2000, at 12:02:25
In reply to Re: Are we done yet? » boBB, posted by Cam W. on June 1, 2000, at 0:23:33
I hope you don't mean forever. You've probably helped more people here than any single individual.
take care, Janice
ps Haven't you had experience with the media before?
Hey, Aren't you going on vacation soon?
Posted by shar on June 1, 2000, at 21:18:05
In reply to Re: Are we done yet?--to CAM, posted by Cindy W on June 1, 2000, at 9:53:53
Cam,
Someone signed on as you and wrote that you were "outta here" and scared everyone (well, maybe all but one).Sure would be a different world here without you, and your accurate information, especially to those of us who can't make sense of the small print enclosed with our meds!
S
Posted by bob on June 1, 2000, at 21:28:02
In reply to Re: Get off it. Really!, posted by Adam on June 1, 2000, at 1:54:31
A sentiment I can agree with wholeheartedly.
Pardon my sermonizing, folks, but it takes a minimum of two for a fight, and we've been seeing a rather lop-sided one here lately. As I like to say my grandma told me, when you go pointing a finger, there are three pointing back at you ... and I'm just as guilty as anyone else in this matter.
But how should we expect someone to act when they get pushed into a corner not just by one or two, but by a crowd? I don't care what rationalizations or justifications anyone on anyside has here, the pushing is still going on.
It should not need pointing out, but there is no "ignore" filter built into this (or any) website -- the filter is in your own head.
And it only works when YOU choose to use it.
If someone calls you a horse's ass or worse, you go a far sight better at disproving that accusation by not responding. So if you can't turn the IGNORE switch on and you JUST HAVE TO read that next message -- consider the source (which should works for both/all sides here, given the level of mutual disrespect exhibited), and then perhaps you can walk away with a grin instead of responding with a grimace.
Consider the source and ignore it.
Now, can we please get off of this topic?
If you feel some need to respond to me, you know where my email address is, otherwise, this dead horse has been whipped enough and is in serious need of burial.
If you want to place any bets on whether or not this will be the last response on this thread, you got my email address for that, too. Right now, odds are running 50-to-1 AGAINST.
cheers,
preacher bob, the designated "self-appointed" traffic cop (and bookie) of Babbleland[you know how HARD it is to fit that on a business card?]
Posted by brian on June 1, 2000, at 21:52:57
In reply to Get off it. Really! (and Amen to that!), posted by bob on June 1, 2000, at 21:28:02
> A sentiment I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>
> Pardon my sermonizing, folks, but it takes a minimum of two for a fight, and we've been seeing a rather lop-sided one here lately. As I like to say my grandma told me, when you go pointing a finger, there are three pointing back at you ... and I'm just as guilty as anyone else in this matter.
>
> But how should we expect someone to act when they get pushed into a corner not just by one or two, but by a crowd? I don't care what rationalizations or justifications anyone on anyside has here, the pushing is still going on.
>
> It should not need pointing out, but there is no "ignore" filter built into this (or any) website -- the filter is in your own head.
>
> And it only works when YOU choose to use it.
>> If someone calls you a horse's ass or worse, you go a far sight better at disproving that accusation by not responding. So if you can't turn the IGNORE switch on and you JUST HAVE TO read that next message -- consider the source (which should works for both/all sides here, given the level of mutual disrespect exhibited), and then perhaps you can walk away with a grin instead of responding with a grimace.
>
> Consider the source and ignore it.
>
> Now, can we please get off of this topic?
>
> If you feel some need to respond to me, you know where my email address is, otherwise, this dead horse has been whipped enough and is in serious need of burial.
>
> If you want to place any bets on whether or not this will be the last response on this thread, you got my email address for that, too. Right now, odds are running 50-to-1 AGAINST.
>
> cheers,
> preacher bob, the designated "self-appointed" traffic cop (and bookie) of Babbleland
>
> [you know how HARD it is to fit that on a business card?]
I'll take those odds. ;~)
Posted by Adam on June 2, 2000, at 14:10:16
In reply to Get off it. Really! (and Amen to that!), posted by bob on June 1, 2000, at 21:28:02
OK, BUT, I do think the issue of security and whether or not it is a good idea to have a more involved system of registration is one still worthy of discussion. My concerns about registration actually have nothing to do with boBB, though I'm guessing he has much more that is of value to say on the subject. I'm kind of interested in the nitty-gritty aspects of encryption and its possible utilization here, how much info we've already, perhaps inadvertantly, divulged, etc. Another thread for that? Shall we take a vote?
> A sentiment I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>
> Pardon my sermonizing, folks, but it takes a minimum of two for a fight, and we've been seeing a rather lop-sided one here lately. As I like to say my grandma told me, when you go pointing a finger, there are three pointing back at you ... and I'm just as guilty as anyone else in this matter.
>
> But how should we expect someone to act when they get pushed into a corner not just by one or two, but by a crowd? I don't care what rationalizations or justifications anyone on anyside has here, the pushing is still going on.
>
> It should not need pointing out, but there is no "ignore" filter built into this (or any) website -- the filter is in your own head.
>
> And it only works when YOU choose to use it.
>
> If someone calls you a horse's ass or worse, you go a far sight better at disproving that accusation by not responding. So if you can't turn the IGNORE switch on and you JUST HAVE TO read that next message -- consider the source (which should works for both/all sides here, given the level of mutual disrespect exhibited), and then perhaps you can walk away with a grin instead of responding with a grimace.
>
> Consider the source and ignore it.
>
> Now, can we please get off of this topic?
>
> If you feel some need to respond to me, you know where my email address is, otherwise, this dead horse has been whipped enough and is in serious need of burial.
>
> If you want to place any bets on whether or not this will be the last response on this thread, you got my email address for that, too. Right now, odds are running 50-to-1 AGAINST.
>
> cheers,
> preacher bob, the designated "self-appointed" traffic cop (and bookie) of Babbleland
>
> [you know how HARD it is to fit that on a business card?]
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2000, at 2:13:19
In reply to Get off it. Really! » Adam, posted by boBb on June 1, 2000, at 0:04:45
> My brief polemic about which you are now ranting and raving...
> you choose to twist beyond reason whatever I tried very sincerely, persistently and honestly to say...
> I would have a hard time hiring you in my newsroom. I would have very a hard time trusting you with my identity. Who knows where you might choose to slander me.
> You, Adam, seem to represent a group of well educated individuals who are unable to manage there personal aggression, and are unable to back off once you smell blood in the water.
I consider the above to go too far. Having already issued a warning before, I'm now going to block this "handle".
> Apparently, those who advocate meds and the medical model enjoy the benefit of a referee here, and the rest of us can expect to be mugged.
Well, that's one interpretation. :-)
Bob
Posted by Elizabeth on June 3, 2000, at 7:08:59
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2000, at 2:13:19
> > My brief polemic about which you are now ranting and raving...
>
> > you choose to twist beyond reason whatever I tried very sincerely, persistently and honestly to say...
>
> > I would have a hard time hiring you in my newsroom. I would have very a hard time trusting you with my identity. Who knows where you might choose to slander me.
>
> > You, Adam, seem to represent a group of well educated individuals who are unable to manage there personal aggression, and are unable to back off once you smell blood in the water.
>
> I consider the above to go too far. Having already issued a warning before, I'm now going to block this "handle".
>
> > Apparently, those who advocate meds and the medical model enjoy the benefit of a referee here, and the rest of us can expect to be mugged.
>
> Well, that's one interpretation. :-)
>
> BobBefore I discuss this thread (from an "I seem to have missed this flame war, but boy is it interesting reading" perspective), I'd like to ask a question of Dr. Bob and anyone else who knows more about psychology than I do. "Help-rejecting complaining" is listed among the common defense mechanisms in one of the appendices to DSM-IV (the appendices are definitely the most interesting part of that book). My question is: what purpose does this behavior serve? How does it defend?
On to my thoughts (which you're all of course free not to read if you're sick of this topic - I just found this discussion too interesting not to comment):
Isn't it ironic that bobb accuses Adam (of all people!) of uncontrolled aggression? I think so. I'd go so far as to say it is plain bizarre. Or not: twisting reality so as to style oneself as the downtrodden victim and another as the evil aggressor can sometimes be an effective way to get sympathy, to get people "on one's side." (Attacking someone for being educated also tends to set off my BS alarm.)
Uh-oh, I guess that I've just given bobb license to spew vitriol in my general direction for daring to make observations about his behavior - for focusing on an individual (especially this incredibly deep and complex individual - how dare I, unenlightened scum that I am?) rather than on "larger" problems. Well, that's okay. It has always been a weakness of mine that I am intrigued by the darker side of humanity as exemplified by particular behaviors. And, as someone (Cam, I think?) observed, how can one feel compassion for large groups when one does not recognize the importance of individuals who make up those groups? I think that bobb's focus (obsession?) on political problems is a red herring.
Bobb seems to consider himself especially insightful (e.g., he feels he understands The Truth which others here refuse to see) and thrives on pointing out others' faults (or perceived faults). It's been my observation, though, that "insight" which is directed at others only, never at oneself, is no insight at all.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is that "It" *is* about you, bobb. It is not possible for it to be otherwise, even if "It" is about something else as well.
Posted by Civilla T on June 3, 2000, at 12:40:00
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Elizabeth on June 3, 2000, at 7:08:59
Remember,three fingers back atcha!;-)
Posted by Lurker on June 3, 2000, at 12:58:52
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Elizabeth on June 3, 2000, at 7:08:59
Remember, boBB has many identities on this board (and new ones everyday) and some of them are quite useful and informative. We all have alter-egos that allow us to play a bit. Blocking one doesn't necessarily solve your problem. Maybe just letting it go would though.
> > > My brief polemic about which you are now ranting and raving...
> >
> > > you choose to twist beyond reason whatever I tried very sincerely, persistently and honestly to say...
> >
> > > I would have a hard time hiring you in my newsroom. I would have very a hard time trusting you with my identity. Who knows where you might choose to slander me.
> >
> > > You, Adam, seem to represent a group of well educated individuals who are unable to manage there personal aggression, and are unable to back off once you smell blood in the water.
> >
> > I consider the above to go too far. Having already issued a warning before, I'm now going to block this "handle".
> >
> > > Apparently, those who advocate meds and the medical model enjoy the benefit of a referee here, and the rest of us can expect to be mugged.
> >
> > Well, that's one interpretation. :-)
> >
> > Bob
>
> Before I discuss this thread (from an "I seem to have missed this flame war, but boy is it interesting reading" perspective), I'd like to ask a question of Dr. Bob and anyone else who knows more about psychology than I do. "Help-rejecting complaining" is listed among the common defense mechanisms in one of the appendices to DSM-IV (the appendices are definitely the most interesting part of that book). My question is: what purpose does this behavior serve? How does it defend?
>
> On to my thoughts (which you're all of course free not to read if you're sick of this topic - I just found this discussion too interesting not to comment):
>
> Isn't it ironic that bobb accuses Adam (of all people!) of uncontrolled aggression? I think so. I'd go so far as to say it is plain bizarre. Or not: twisting reality so as to style oneself as the downtrodden victim and another as the evil aggressor can sometimes be an effective way to get sympathy, to get people "on one's side." (Attacking someone for being educated also tends to set off my BS alarm.)
>
> Uh-oh, I guess that I've just given bobb license to spew vitriol in my general direction for daring to make observations about his behavior - for focusing on an individual (especially this incredibly deep and complex individual - how dare I, unenlightened scum that I am?) rather than on "larger" problems. Well, that's okay. It has always been a weakness of mine that I am intrigued by the darker side of humanity as exemplified by particular behaviors. And, as someone (Cam, I think?) observed, how can one feel compassion for large groups when one does not recognize the importance of individuals who make up those groups? I think that bobb's focus (obsession?) on political problems is a red herring.
>
> Bobb seems to consider himself especially insightful (e.g., he feels he understands The Truth which others here refuse to see) and thrives on pointing out others' faults (or perceived faults). It's been my observation, though, that "insight" which is directed at others only, never at oneself, is no insight at all.
>
> So I guess what I'm trying to say is that "It" *is* about you, bobb. It is not possible for it to be otherwise, even if "It" is about something else as well.
Posted by Adam on June 3, 2000, at 14:37:58
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Elizabeth on June 3, 2000, at 7:08:59
Hmm.
I think this represents sage observation. I essentially thought this boiled down to a bias in favor of the noble underdog (both as a self-identity and a community to identify with), coupled with a tenacious, and sometimes untenable desire to conflict with a larger, hostile "establishment", and/or those who appear to represent or defend it. I didn't consider the deeper motivations. Perhaps I could, if I felt victimized, characterize myself as a straw man torched by a firebrand, but I don't feel victimized, just misunderstood, and because I am also a tenacious debator, I can hardly claim total innocence.
I don't make the rules here, and don't presume to tell Dr. Bob what to do, but I was suprised that the boBB handle was silenced. I didn't find the exchange "uncivil" by my definition. I never felt particularly hurt, just irritated and misrepresented. False or mistaken accusations (of which I am guilty, it would appear) can happen, and even if the intent isn't malicious, I guess angry reponses are to be expected until the issue is clarified.
What I consider to be "uncivil" is behaviour that is without any redeeming value whatsoever, and material that is unregenerately hateful and brutal. There are few without sociopathic tendancies who want to be exposed to that.
Not to say I wasn't disturbed, but I don't see any sociopaths here. I could be wrong (given a lack of familiarity with the nuances of psychology), but I don't.
Anyway, I am STILL really curious about the logistics of registration, and real information (not just idle suspicion or overconfidence) about costs and benefits.
> > > My brief polemic about which you are now ranting and raving...
> >
> > > you choose to twist beyond reason whatever I tried very sincerely, persistently and honestly to say...
> >
> > > I would have a hard time hiring you in my newsroom. I would have very a hard time trusting you with my identity. Who knows where you might choose to slander me.
> >
> > > You, Adam, seem to represent a group of well educated individuals who are unable to manage there personal aggression, and are unable to back off once you smell blood in the water.
> >
> > I consider the above to go too far. Having already issued a warning before, I'm now going to block this "handle".
> >
> > > Apparently, those who advocate meds and the medical model enjoy the benefit of a referee here, and the rest of us can expect to be mugged.
> >
> > Well, that's one interpretation. :-)
> >
> > Bob
>
> Before I discuss this thread (from an "I seem to have missed this flame war, but boy is it interesting reading" perspective), I'd like to ask a question of Dr. Bob and anyone else who knows more about psychology than I do. "Help-rejecting complaining" is listed among the common defense mechanisms in one of the appendices to DSM-IV (the appendices are definitely the most interesting part of that book). My question is: what purpose does this behavior serve? How does it defend?
>
> On to my thoughts (which you're all of course free not to read if you're sick of this topic - I just found this discussion too interesting not to comment):
>
> Isn't it ironic that bobb accuses Adam (of all people!) of uncontrolled aggression? I think so. I'd go so far as to say it is plain bizarre. Or not: twisting reality so as to style oneself as the downtrodden victim and another as the evil aggressor can sometimes be an effective way to get sympathy, to get people "on one's side." (Attacking someone for being educated also tends to set off my BS alarm.)
>
> Uh-oh, I guess that I've just given bobb license to spew vitriol in my general direction for daring to make observations about his behavior - for focusing on an individual (especially this incredibly deep and complex individual - how dare I, unenlightened scum that I am?) rather than on "larger" problems. Well, that's okay. It has always been a weakness of mine that I am intrigued by the darker side of humanity as exemplified by particular behaviors. And, as someone (Cam, I think?) observed, how can one feel compassion for large groups when one does not recognize the importance of individuals who make up those groups? I think that bobb's focus (obsession?) on political problems is a red herring.
>
> Bobb seems to consider himself especially insightful (e.g., he feels he understands The Truth which others here refuse to see) and thrives on pointing out others' faults (or perceived faults). It's been my observation, though, that "insight" which is directed at others only, never at oneself, is no insight at all.
>
> So I guess what I'm trying to say is that "It" *is* about you, bobb. It is not possible for it to be otherwise, even if "It" is about something else as well.
Posted by Dr. bobitty-bob_boB_BoBB_BOBB_BOBB_BOB_BOB_BOB!!!! on June 3, 2000, at 17:43:27
In reply to Re: please be civil » Elizabeth, posted by Civilla T on June 3, 2000, at 12:40:00
>
> Remember,three fingers back atcha!
>
> ;-)And don't forget to tune in to comedy central, where the stage guard will keep you from heckling the perfomers!
Really though, I wouldn't let some of these people help my dog, if it lay dying on the highway!
Any profession that claims an indicator that people need its service is that they decline its service is using severely flawed circular logic to sell its service.
boBB consider Mr. Robert Hsuing to be a very dangerous individual, whose aggressive style resembles that of some of the worse despots in recent history.
boBB will contact the Illinois medical arts licensing board in reference to his disparaging other doctors who warn their patients of contraindications to ECT.
Posted by Oddzilla on June 3, 2000, at 18:03:54
In reply to Re: please be what we tell you to be, posted by Dr. bobitty-bob_boB_BoBB_BOBB_BOBB_BOB_BOB_BOB!!!! on June 3, 2000, at 17:46:36
Welcome back bobbitty-bob (if I may be so bold as to use your first name). I missed you and you weren't even gone a whole day.
Oddzilla
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2000, at 18:18:03
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Lurker on June 3, 2000, at 12:58:52
> Remember, boBB has many identities on this board (and new ones everyday) and some of them are quite useful and informative. We all have alter-egos that allow us to play a bit. Blocking one doesn't necessarily solve your problem. Maybe just letting it go would though.
I don't want to get obsessed with this, and paying attention to it reinforces it, but:
Identities that are civil are fine. Those that repeatedly cross the line make this community less supportive one.
Bob
PS: If there's a need for a separate forum for alternative forms of discourse, it's easy to set up your own mailing list these days. One site I'm familiar with is:
http://www.egroups.com
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2000, at 19:02:19
In reply to Re: please be what we tell you to be, posted by Dr. bobitty-bob_boB_BoBB_BOBB_BOBB_BOB_BOB_BOB!!!! on June 3, 2000, at 17:43:27
> boBB consider Mr. Robert Hsuing to be a very dangerous individual, whose aggressive style resembles that of some of the worse despots in recent history.
That's not civil, either.
Bob
PS: Sometimes it's more productive to talk about how you feel instead of what the other person does.
Posted by Snowie on June 3, 2000, at 20:39:24
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2000, at 19:02:19
Sorry, guys, but this thread has gone on way too long ... it has become a cosmic joke and a tremendous bore. Can we finally move on to bigger and better things? There are and will always be troublemakers on every BBS. If the powers that be can block or delete the troublemakers, that's great. If not, avoid the temptation to read their posts.
Snowie
Posted by Sal on June 3, 2000, at 20:47:11
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2000, at 19:02:19
>
> PS: Sometimes it's more productive to talk about how you feel instead of what the other person does.It seems to me, I mean I feel as if this person "boBB" started this unfortunate thread by daring to talk about his feelings.
As I read the posts here, it seems to me the person is okay with his feelings, even though others seemed to concern themselves with what he dared to feel. It seems he has established clear referants for some of his feelings, which, as I understand it, is a goal of some humanistic therapies. I see other posts that say "your anger is okay." I feel like the boBB's anger is okay. He didn't threaten anybody.
I feel like people might have tried to stigmatize him by calling him bizarre. I feel as if the idea that he is somehow exhibiting evidence of a disorder by involving himself in what kind of help he accepts seems to go against the educational, supportive mission of the site.
Posted by claire 7 on June 3, 2000, at 21:00:47
In reply to feelings, posted by Sal on June 3, 2000, at 20:47:11
> I feel Sal makes some very good points. I feel like maybe Dr Bob is a bit paranoid. I feel like Dr Bob has gone overboard. I feel like nobody has been harmed by boBB. I feel like civility is in the eye of the beholder.
> >
> > PS: Sometimes it's more productive to talk about how you feel instead of what the other person does.
>
> It seems to me, I mean I feel as if this person "boBB" started this unfortunate thread by daring to talk about his feelings.
>
> As I read the posts here, it seems to me the person is okay with his feelings, even though others seemed to concern themselves with what he dared to feel. It seems he has established clear referants for some of his feelings, which, as I understand it, is a goal of some humanistic therapies. I see other posts that say "your anger is okay." I feel like the boBB's anger is okay. He didn't threaten anybody.
>
> I feel like people might have tried to stigmatize him by calling him bizarre. I feel as if the idea that he is somehow exhibiting evidence of a disorder by involving himself in what kind of help he accepts seems to go against the educational, supportive mission of the site.
Posted by gg on June 3, 2000, at 21:20:35
In reply to Re: feelings, posted by claire 7 on June 3, 2000, at 21:00:47
> > I feel Sal makes some very good points. I feel like maybe Dr Bob is a bit paranoid. I feel like Dr Bob has gone overboard. I feel like nobody has been harmed by boBB. I feel like civility is in the eye of the beholder.
> > >
> > > PS: Sometimes it's more productive to talk about how you feel instead of what the other person does.
.
> >
> > I feel like people might have tried to stigmatize him by calling him bizarre. I feel as if the idea that he is somehow exhibiting evidence of a disorder by involving himself in what kind of help he accepts seems to go against the educational, supportive mission of the site.
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I feel frightened. I feel powerless knowing that
simply being a psychiatrist can give someone the power to label another person abnormal or not fit to be part of society. I realize that this is only a BB but we are talking feelings here and those are the feeling it stirs up. I feel sad. I feel the loss of a place where labeled people might find acceptance. I feel concern for Dr. Bob because if he were a patient rather than doctor he would certainly be accused of exhibiting paranoid tendencies. I feel confused because I don't know if I should be glad for him that he is above suspicion or sad for him because he is in need of psychiatric intervention and I am helpless to help him.
I feel sad for bobbity-bob because the world is sad and we are all going to die and there is nothing anyone can do. I feel afraid because I don't want any well-vocabularied babblers jumping in to jump all over me.
Posted by shar on June 3, 2000, at 21:47:24
In reply to Re: feelings feelings feelings feelings, posted by gg on June 3, 2000, at 21:20:35
My compassion goes out to many people on this board who are obviously in pain and great distress; my gratitude goes out to the many who offer encouragement, good information, and acceptance to others.
Somehow I can't get it up for boBB or any of boBB's incarnations. With all due respect, there doesn't seem to be any good will or genuine focus on "psych" within his writing-- mainly just a focus on babble.
S
Posted by SLS on June 3, 2000, at 22:06:52
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Lurker on June 3, 2000, at 12:58:52
> Remember, boBB has many identities on this board (and new ones everyday) and some of them are quite useful and informative.
I am so naive.
> We all have alter-egos that allow us to play a bit. Blocking one doesn't necessarily solve your problem. Maybe just letting it go would though.
I wish more people would think this way. I really hate to see people become so upset.
It seems to me that it would be an efficient strategy to rescue those who may need rescuing without encouraging further entanglements by retaliating against the aggressor.
I can't begin to read the contents of this thread. I don't have the intelligence, education, or the mental energy to participate in it. Even if I did, I am not sure that I would do so anyway. Of course, I am now.
I am not bashing BoBB, or anyone else.
I have nothing to say, really. I am just sad to see this happen here.
I don't know if anyone would care to comment on this, but does BoBB suffer from bipolar disorder? Perhaps a dysphoric hypomania or mixed-state would account for some of this.
BoBB, if you are reading this - Hi. Unfortunately, your name is being mentioned in yet another post. I guess you've managed to grab the spotlight. The content (not the length) of your "Info on Neurotransmitters" post left me suspicious that you might be a bit manic. It's hard to guess at, though, as many of your posts are so incisively coherent. However, if I were to gauge things based upon that one post...
Obvious:
--------From debate can come good.
From anger can come good. (This might not be so obvious to some)
Debate can sometimes lead to conflict.
Anger can perpetuate conflict.
Anger feels good.
I guess the participant must be burdened with the responsibility of making the decision of when to discontinue participating. Discontinuing is so easy to do here.I see flaming on the Internet as being analogous to road-rage, only with less risk of physical or real-time engagement. Talk about dynamics, do you really think people here would carry on this way if they were forced to stand with each other face-to-face? I guess some would.
Again, one can rescue the victim without directing a single word at the aggressor.
I like you, Adam. You set a good example for me.
I probably like you too, BoBB. I haven't read enough of your stuff to do otherwise. If you do have bipolar disorder, and you are willing to entertain the idea that I have not conjured this idea in order to relieve you of credibility, then you may want to go check things out. You obviously have the intellect to overpower the usually overwhelming tendency to deny experiencing a manic state, should this be the case. If you think that there is any possibility of this, I urge you to do so. It's possible that a brighter life is waiting for you just around the corner. If this is not applicable, then just continue to smile. :-)In my opinion, BoBB, you are experiencing a dysphoric hypomania.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.
Carry on all - if you decide to.
Bye.
- Pollyanna
Posted by Granny Babble on June 4, 2000, at 12:25:22
In reply to Be civil and don't respond to people who aren't ?, posted by SLS on June 3, 2000, at 22:06:52
>
> I am so naive.Me too.
>
> > We all have alter-egos that allow us to play a bit. Blocking one doesn't necessarily solve your problem. Maybe just letting it go would though.Good idea. Who'll be first?
>
> I wish more people would think this way. I really hate to see people become so upset.Me too.
>
> It seems to me that it would be an efficient strategy to rescue those who may need rescuing without encouraging further entanglements by retaliating against the aggressor.
>
> I can't begin to read the contents of this thread. I don't have the intelligence, education, or the mental energy to participate in it. Even if I did, I am not sure that I would do so anyway.Same here.
> I am not bashing BoBB, or anyone else.Me neither.
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> I have nothing to say, really.That hasn't stopped anyone else here :-)
I am just sad to see this happen here.Me too.
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> I don't know if anyone would care to comment on this, but does BoBB suffer from bipolar disorder? Perhaps a dysphoric hypomania or mixed-state would account for some of this.BoBB has never said he suffers from any "mental illness" that I know of. I would never presume to diagnose someone else.
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>
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> Obvious:
> --------
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> From debate can come good.
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> From anger can come good. (This might not be so obvious to some)
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> Debate can sometimes lead to conflict.
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> Anger can perpetuate conflict.
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> Anger feels good.
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And don't forget Life is like a box of chocolates :-)
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> In my opinion, BoBB, you are experiencing a dysphoric hypomania.
>
In my opinion,polly, you are experiencing soporific pontification. (I'm only telling you because you are so intelligent. Use it as you will or just keep smiling :-))> Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.
Me too.
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> Carry on all - if you decide to.I agree.
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> Bye.Bye.
>
> - Pollyanna
Posted by Noa on June 4, 2000, at 13:09:59
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Snowie on June 3, 2000, at 20:39:24
Time to disengage.
Posted by SLS on June 4, 2000, at 13:59:28
In reply to Re: Be civil and don't respond to people who aren't ? » SLS, posted by Granny Babble on June 4, 2000, at 12:25:22
> In my opinion, BoBB, you are experiencing a dysphoric hypomania.
I do regret putting this in, for a number of reasons. It looks wrong, anyway.
I was too sleepy to go back and change it after all of that soporific pontificating. (No, I didn't need to go and look it up).
You made me smile.
Sorry, BoBB.
Stay well.
Sincerely,
Scott
- Obviously, I chose to respond.
Posted by Rockets on June 4, 2000, at 17:58:30
In reply to Re: Be civil and don't respond to people who aren't ?, posted by SLS on June 4, 2000, at 13:59:28
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This is the end of the thread.
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