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Posted by MelindaJ on June 23, 1999, at 8:03:07
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by ruth on June 23, 1999, at 7:38:36
I visit a lot of Boards on various topics. I've found there are many to choose from. If you don't like the tone of this one, there are plenty more out there. You can also start your own discussion forum at sites like delphi.com. If you find/create a discussion board more suited to your taste, you could certainly issue a polite invitation here to anyone who may want to visit also. Your rude attack on the folks who find this Board helpful indicates you may not be as "healthy" as you claim.
Posted by randy on June 23, 1999, at 12:16:44
In reply to Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by Jc on June 22, 1999, at 19:39:46
> Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
Yours is the most negative post I have read. A bit of hypocrisy on your part.
Negativity is in the eye of the beholder. Manic-depression is an
incurable condition therefore the realization that one can not be Cured is a good sign
and a step towards control of this illness.
Bother the general population? Please!!
The general population does not visit here.
THis is from somebody who got help has been LUCKY
enough and had the support I needed. Some of that support
is right here. Knowing I am not the only one with specific
conditions and reactions and Knowing i can find answers
here from my fellows is a god send. Indeed sir this is
a wonderfull site. You sir are a spoiled self centered
individual who cares not for his fellows.
Posted by Judy on June 23, 1999, at 18:01:08
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by randy on June 23, 1999, at 12:16:44
Damn! Why didn't I think of getting help 15 years ago instead of feeling as though I missed half of my daughters' (Ages 17 & 21) growing up years while I battled my depression!?!
I read your post last night and was too irate to respond. Having thought about it today, I decided to respond as follows:
Randy, this is a site full of supportive, caring people. I suspect you are more in need of support and caring than you care to admit, otherwise why would you be nosing around here? If you want to drop your guard (and the hostile behavior), most of us would be glad to respond to you if we can offer our limited knowledge or advice or a simple "don't worry, you're not alone" on whatever your particular problem might be.
Good luck, Randy. It's very obvious that you're hurting.
Judy
Posted by Judy on June 23, 1999, at 18:08:05
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by randy on June 23, 1999, at 12:16:44
Please excuse my stupidity. I addressed my response above to you rather than Jc (when I scrolled up to the top of the response I was in, I saw your name first and mistook it for the name of the original poster.)
Sorry about that!
Judy
Posted by JC on June 23, 1999, at 18:48:48
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by Elizabeth on June 22, 1999, at 23:09:03
> Well, now that you've gotten "better," maybe you could work on learning some interpersonal skills - or, at least, manners.
>
> I wonder, too, how you can be so certain of the "intention" of those here.I never said that I was better. What interperonal skills do you want me to develope? What manners did I violate?
Posted by Jc on June 23, 1999, at 18:53:36
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by Erin on June 23, 1999, at 0:37:38
> To Jc-
>
> I can't believe the insensitivity of your post. As someone who has worked through all of her outstanding family, social, etc, issues (and I'm talking twelve years of intensive therapy that I'm incredibly proud of, more so even than my formal education) and is still depressed, I have found this site to be incredibly helpful. As hard as it may be for you to believe, there are some people who for all intents and purposes should be living great lives but can't seem to pull themselves out of depression despite enormous help and support from friends, family, and therapists.
>
> Erin
You did not tell me why you do not understand my post.
Posted by Jc on June 23, 1999, at 18:58:49
In reply to I think somebody has missed the point, posted by Mel on June 23, 1999, at 1:48:23
> > Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
>
> This is a forum for people concerned about their well being
>
> My post hasn't even been answered, but it hasn't been on long either.
> If it doesn't get answered, I'll just ask it again. Besides- there are a lot of
> people who have more serious questions than me.
>
> As for posts being negative- why add to it? Just say how you got better; you'll help a lot!
>
Why do people have more serious questions than you? Why is this posting negative? I think (and I get the impression that most people out here don't care what I think) that as you go into treatment you should have a positive attitude about it, else, why bother?
Posted by Jc on June 23, 1999, at 19:02:23
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by ruth on June 23, 1999, at 7:38:36
> Wow. I think it's a pretty powerful statement
> to say that no one on this newsgroup has any
> intention of getting better. In fact, it blows
> my mind. That's a pretty big assumption, to claim
> to know everybody's intention... Maybe you're equating drug free with
> "better". Geez, do I have to pull out the diabetic
> metaphor again...nah...why bother...
> Your post struck me as incredibly self righteous ("I was smart
> enough to get help, get better, and not bother anyone")
> I do know that your response has a lot of hostility
> in it and that makes me wonder if you're really
> all that much better, as you claim. Furthermore,
> if you're "bothered" by folks on this newsgroup, why
> do you visit? I personally have found that when I'm
> bothered or irritated by other people--bothered
> enough to put a hostile post out---that there's
> something in myself I don't want to look at.
> This is, in fact, a very good support site for people
> who are looking information, not judgement, about
> certain issues and medications regarding depression.
> I've found it extremely helpful and have had people
> reach out to me with their support many times. One
> nice thing about this site is that posts like yours are
> more the exception than the rule :-)I never said that I was drug free. Now who is making the assumptions?
Posted by JC on June 23, 1999, at 19:04:25
In reply to Re: There's a Board out there for everyone, posted by MelindaJ on June 23, 1999, at 8:03:07
> I visit a lot of Boards on various topics. I've found there are many to choose from. If you don't like the tone of this one, there are plenty more out there. You can also start your own discussion forum at sites like delphi.com. If you find/create a discussion board more suited to your taste, you could certainly issue a polite invitation here to anyone who may want to visit also. Your rude attack on the folks who find this Board helpful indicates you may not be as "healthy" as you claim.
I never said that I was better, I just said that I had a positive attitude toward getting better. In which way was this posting rude?
Posted by jc on June 23, 1999, at 19:08:56
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by randy on June 23, 1999, at 12:16:44
> > Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
> Yours is the most negative post I have read. A bit of hypocrisy on your part.
> Negativity is in the eye of the beholder. Manic-depression is an
> incurable condition therefore the realization that one can not be Cured is a good sign
> and a step towards control of this illness.
> Bother the general population? Please!!
> The general population does not visit here.
> THis is from somebody who got help has been LUCKY
> enough and had the support I needed. Some of that support
> is right here. Knowing I am not the only one with specific
> conditions and reactions and Knowing i can find answers
> here from my fellows is a god send. Indeed sir this is
> a wonderfull site. You sir are a spoiled self centered
> individual who cares not for his fellows.Wrong. I am not cured. I am not a spoiled self centered individual who cares not for his fellows
because I would not be in treatment in the first place if that were true. I am not a sir.
Posted by Jc on June 23, 1999, at 19:11:23
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by Judy on June 23, 1999, at 18:01:08
> Damn! Why didn't I think of getting help 15 years ago instead of feeling as though I missed half of my daughters' (Ages 17 & 21) growing up years while I battled my depression!?!
>
> I read your post last night and was too irate to respond. Having thought about it today, I decided to respond as follows:
>
> Randy, this is a site full of supportive, caring people. I suspect you are more in need of support and caring than you care to admit, otherwise why would you be nosing around here? If you want to drop your guard (and the hostile behavior), most of us would be glad to respond to you if we can offer our limited knowledge or advice or a simple "don't worry, you're not alone" on whatever your particular problem might be.
>
> Good luck, Randy. It's very obvious that you're hurting.
>
> JudyWhy did a post from somebody wanting to get better irritate you?
Posted by Gringo on June 24, 1999, at 2:04:56
In reply to I think somebody has missed the point, posted by Mel on June 23, 1999, at 1:48:23
> > Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
>
> This is a forum for people concerned about their well being
>
> My post hasn't even been answered, but it hasn't been on long either.
> If it doesn't get answered, I'll just ask it again. Besides- there are a lot of
> people who have more serious questions than me.
>
> As for posts being negative- why add to it? Just say how you got better; you'll help a lot!
>
Don't want to interfere much in your word fights, but the truth (if there's something like that) is that people here will not listen, more often than not, to even good stories and "getting better" ways. Maybe that's why people coming here have got that impresion of digging deep in meds theories.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 24, 1999, at 5:43:31
In reply to Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by Jc on June 22, 1999, at 19:39:46
Hi, everyone,
I posted a reaction to this in a later thread, at:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/19990601/msgs/7763.html
So I won't repeat myself here. But I wanted people following this thread to be aware of it.
Bob
Posted by CindyM on June 25, 1999, at 10:48:59
In reply to Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by Jc on June 22, 1999, at 19:39:46
> Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
JC, I dont' think I need to tell you where to stick it. Let your imagination work for you okay. This is not a good support site??? Let me tell you something. I have found this place very recently and it is about the only support I get. Period. My meds weren't working and my new ones havent kicked in yet. Right now I don't see a whole lot to be positive about. If you want sunshine then go find it. We are all interested in getting better or we wouldn't be here. Why do you think there is so much talk of meds? Because we are trying to find something that works for us as individuals. Sorry you don't find any support here but some of us have. If you don't like it I am sure a diff. site would be able to provide you with the fake sunshine you seem to need.
Posted by Tom on June 25, 1999, at 12:10:38
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by CindyM on June 25, 1999, at 10:48:59
> > Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
>
> JC, I dont' think I need to tell you where to stick it. Let your imagination work for you okay. This is not a good support site??? Let me tell you something. I have found this place very recently and it is about the only support I get. Period. My meds weren't working and my new ones havent kicked in yet. Right now I don't see a whole lot to be positive about. If you want sunshine then go find it. We are all interested in getting better or we wouldn't be here. Why do you think there is so much talk of meds? Because we are trying to find something that works for us as individuals. Sorry you don't find any support here but some of us have. If you don't like it I am sure a diff. site would be able to provide you with the fake sunshine you seem to need.There is hardly no psychological talk at all on this site. Just a bunch of people complaining about their medicine. Maybe 5 in 100 have something positive to say about meds in the long run. CAN'T ANYONE MAKE THAT CONNECTION!? Maybe this site can be converted to an online psychotherapy site, with people giving each other advice about LIFE. Somehow I don't see this ever becoming a reality...at least not in our pill popping society that's short on emotion.
Posted by JohnL on June 25, 1999, at 20:31:40
In reply to Re:Site should be named "Medicine Babble", posted by Tom on June 25, 1999, at 12:10:38
> > > Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
> >
> > JC, I dont' think I need to tell you where to stick it. Let your imagination work for you okay. This is not a good support site??? Let me tell you something. I have found this place very recently and it is about the only support I get. Period. My meds weren't working and my new ones havent kicked in yet. Right now I don't see a whole lot to be positive about. If you want sunshine then go find it. We are all interested in getting better or we wouldn't be here. Why do you think there is so much talk of meds? Because we are trying to find something that works for us as individuals. Sorry you don't find any support here but some of us have. If you don't like it I am sure a diff. site would be able to provide you with the fake sunshine you seem to need.
>
> There is hardly no psychological talk at all on this site. Just a bunch of people complaining about their medicine. Maybe 5 in 100 have something positive to say about meds in the long run. CAN'T ANYONE MAKE THAT CONNECTION!? Maybe this site can be converted to an online psychotherapy site, with people giving each other advice about LIFE. Somehow I don't see this ever becoming a reality...at least not in our pill popping society that's short on emotion.
I love this site. Keep up the great work Dr Bob and crew and all of you. For those who don't like this site, I wish you happy surfing. JohnL.
Posted by Elizabeth on June 25, 1999, at 22:30:49
In reply to Re:Site should be named "Medicine Babble", posted by Tom on June 25, 1999, at 12:10:38
>There is hardly no psychological talk at all on this site. Just a bunch of people complaining about their medicine. Maybe 5 in 100 have something positive to say about meds in the long run.
I think your own opinions are distorting your view of reality. It's not my fault you're trapped in the Middle Ages, though....
(BTW, you do know that your first sentence comes out meaning the opposite of what you intended it to mean, right? I don't think that good grammar is a measure of intelligence, but it does make you *look* stupid. Especially in the context of opinions that have no basis in fact.)
>CAN'T ANYONE MAKE THAT CONNECTION!? Maybe this site can be converted to an online psychotherapy site, with people giving each other advice about LIFE. Somehow I don't see this ever becoming a reality...at least not in our pill popping society that's short on emotion.
What a cliche. "Pills destroy your soul!" Blabbity blabbity blah. Find something original to whine about, at least!
Posted by JohnB on June 25, 1999, at 22:52:27
In reply to Re:Site should be named "Medicine Babble", posted by JohnL on June 25, 1999, at 20:31:40
JC
After reading this entire exchange, I'm left with one question for JC: why did you take the time and make the effort to start this thread with your observations? Specifically, what were your motives behind posting this message in the first place? You were obviously not soliciting advice from anyone here as virtually all messages here do. You simply dropped several vaguely "corrective" (this is obvious since you wouldn't haved posted all if you had approved of what you were seeing) remarks after posing a question whose answer is so obvious to anyone suffering any medical condition that one is left pondering not the substance of your words but the intent behind sharing them. You hint around saying anything particular to the PEOPLE reading your statements, leaving everything you say so unfocused and open-ended, doing so for an audience you know little about, that you end up confusing your own communication, keeping the PEOPLE your speaking to guessing, and inviting all kinds of (rightly) emotional responses to YOU and not what you wrote. People aren't thrilled about being "judged" or "corrected" by anyone, but there's so modicum of respect relayed when the "judgements" are honestly direct and constructively focused, not vague and insinuating.
Just be more concrete and direct, JC, and people will pay attention to and respect your comments, not react to YOU. They won't mistake a blunt assessment with an unfeeling attack.
JohnB
Posted by Cindy on June 26, 1999, at 7:44:15
In reply to Re:Anybody out there interested..., posted by JohnB on June 25, 1999, at 22:52:27
The fact is that this is an invaluable site for information regarding medication and in this aspect, a good source for sharing and support. Yet, God help anyone who offers an opinion that might be somewhat controversial or appear offensive. Does mental illness give us the right to retaliate with such rude and crude comebacks. I am finding it difficult to sift through the helpful comments and the truly MEAN ones which I find sad and disturbing. For this reason I am "out of here". I certainly hope, Dr. Bob, that you make more of an effort to make this site more respectful. I wish you all the very best in your recovery.
Cindy
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 26, 1999, at 9:51:43
In reply to Why so defensive and rude?, posted by Cindy on June 26, 1999, at 7:44:15
> I am finding it difficult to sift through the helpful comments and the truly MEAN ones which I find sad and disturbing. For this reason I am "out of here". I certainly hope, Dr. Bob, that you make more of an effort to make this site more respectful.
I try, but I can't be here all the time...
Please, everyone, argue about what you think, but do so without putting other people down. There's a difference between the person and the opinion.
Don't imply that someone should stick something somewhere. Don't accuse someone of being trapped in the past.
Defending others, or even this site, though I appreciate the good intentions, doesn't justify putting others down.
This is a warning. I hate to do it, but I will try to block people who don't follow these guidelines from posting to this site.
Bob
Posted by randy on July 7, 1999, at 16:01:40
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by jc on June 23, 1999, at 19:08:56
you evaded the gist of my response. Why?
Just because you are in treatment does not mean you are
not self centered.
You are not a sir. My apologies.
However are you a lady?> > > Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better. What else would they have to talk except their illnesses and how nothing will cure them? Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.
> > Yours is the most negative post I have read. A bit of hypocrisy on your part.
> > Negativity is in the eye of the beholder. Manic-depression is an
> > incurable condition therefore the realization that one can not be Cured is a good sign
> > and a step towards control of this illness.
> > Bother the general population? Please!!
> > The general population does not visit here.
> > THis is from somebody who got help has been LUCKY
> > enough and had the support I needed. Some of that support
> > is right here. Knowing I am not the only one with specific
> > conditions and reactions and Knowing i can find answers
> > here from my fellows is a god send. Indeed sir this is
> > a wonderfull site. You sir are a spoiled self centered
> > individual who cares not for his fellows.
>
> Wrong. I am not cured. I am not a spoiled self centered individual who cares not for his fellows
> because I would not be in treatment in the first place if that were true. I am not a sir.
Posted by Elaine on July 9, 1999, at 23:17:48
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by randy on July 7, 1999, at 16:01:40
Please remember Dr. Bob's words:
"Defending others, or even this site, though I appreciate the good intentions, doesn't justify putting others down."
Unfortunately, I have seen too many threads here that have disintegrated into a battle of bitter words. And even more unfortunately, each thread of that nature seems to leave at least one victim who is hurt enough not to return. Is this worth it? I am all for defending this site - but can we remain civil and not stoop to an attacker's level? I think this has gone on long enough, don't you?
Posted by Joanne on July 12, 1999, at 20:13:10
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in dropping this?, posted by Elaine on July 9, 1999, at 23:17:48
I'm with you....
Let's just drop this one... and move on to more helpful subjects...
Nobody and nothing is perfect.....
Posted by Cheryl on July 14, 1999, at 18:14:10
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by sadie on June 22, 1999, at 20:27:32
> I would like to know if there are any side effects to taking L-tryptophan..please email me...cherjerr@primeline.net
Posted by alan on July 19, 1999, at 2:06:58
In reply to Re: Anybody out there interested in getting better?, posted by Cheryl on July 14, 1999, at 18:14:10
> > I would like to know if there are any side effects to taking L-tryptophan..please email me...cherjerr@primeline.net
The trouble with those 'natural' treatments is that no quality control is imposed on their manufacture, which is why one bad lot of the stuff containing an impurity killed some people in the US. So it is illegal here now. Second, you never know what the pill you buy actually contains; it may be tryptophan, maybe atthelabeled dosage,but it may not. Third, these 'natural' things have not been studied well enough to be declared safe and effective and to have interactions determined. Usually, any drug that can do some good can do some hard, but if we don't know what harm, we don't know what to watch out for. Fourth, tryptophan with an SSRI might, I guess, make too much serotonin and make you ill, maybe quite ill. Finally, taking too much of trypto at one time might not let other needed things get into your brain. OTOH, trypto does seemto have helped some people.
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