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Posted by MCK on April 18, 2007, at 20:13:40
In reply to Re: You missed your calling » MCK, posted by Larry Hoover on April 18, 2007, at 19:23:50
You don't know who I am, you know not how I know you and / or the extent of my knowledge regarding you, and your treatment of people. Neither do you know the proof I have. Your circumlocution does not baffle or intimidate me.
I am not a troll choosing to wantonly disparage a poster using half truths and conjecture.
If I did not truly believe that you are a clever predator, I would not say anything.I chose to limit my comment to the circumstance, but am not afraid of getting blocked if I need to post links, name names,(real names with permission) situations, places, education, jobs, in order to clarify the above statement that this is not a game to me.
Posted by verne on April 18, 2007, at 20:34:27
In reply to Re: You missed your calling » MCK, posted by Larry Hoover on April 18, 2007, at 19:23:50
When I reincarnated at this site a few years ago, I immediately picked a fight with chemist and Larry. I'm no scientist but that's never stopped me before.
Anyway, when the smoke cleared, chemist and Larry were both warned or blocked, after *I* had provoked them. I only escaped punishment because I knew how to attack someone within the civility rules. I was Babble savvy.
What's remarkable, is that when I finally came to my senses (several months later) and apologized to Larry, he was kind and gracious - even compassionate. I've never met him but I don't doubt his sincerity.
I've been a senior member at a credit card rating site (tops according to the Wall Street Journal) since 2000 (although they list me joining in 2003 due to some major site remodeling) so I have some experience on message boards. I've been visiting Babble since 2001, under a different name until about 2004. I managed to get myself banned for life at a third site we needn't mention - I like to blame it on a mixture of ego and booze.
Of all the thousands of posters I've encountered I consider Larry Hoover the *gold* standard. Knowledge, Compassion, and Sincerity.
Verne
Posted by gardenergirl on April 18, 2007, at 20:54:17
In reply to YOU dare not go further » Larry Hoover, posted by MCK on April 18, 2007, at 20:13:40
> Your circumlocution does not baffle or intimidate me.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. You've been asked before to be civil, so now I am blocking you from posting. I've asked Dr. Bob to determine the duration of the block.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should, of course, be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions. Thus, you can always appeal this decision to him, and he may choose a different action.Namaste
gg acting as deputy
Posted by scratchpad on April 18, 2007, at 21:41:46
In reply to Another View, posted by verne on April 18, 2007, at 20:34:27
> Of all the thousands of posters I've encountered I consider Larry Hoover the *gold* standard. Knowledge, Compassion, and Sincerity.
>
> VerneYes, indeedy. I quite agree.
sp
Posted by scratchpad on April 18, 2007, at 22:24:25
In reply to Re: Another View » verne, posted by scratchpad on April 18, 2007, at 21:41:46
...community. No disparaging remarks will be recognized by myself.
end of story.
sp
Posted by Phillipa on April 18, 2007, at 22:33:13
In reply to Larry Hoover is a highly valued member of this..., posted by scratchpad on April 18, 2007, at 22:24:25
Ditto. Love Phillipa
Posted by karen_kay on April 18, 2007, at 22:52:13
In reply to Another View, posted by verne on April 18, 2007, at 20:34:27
but how well do you know me?
while i may consider myself the gold standard, i wouldn't hesitate to believe most would agree with that one as well!
and verne dear (a bit off topic) why in the world would you ever think you have problems communicating online? i think you did a marvelous job with this post!
here's one of those dreadful emoticons (is that what they're called? those winkie thingies?), jsut for you... ;).... are they called that? i thought they were just called winks and smiliefaces.... i'm not into the computer jargon either....
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 19, 2007, at 17:27:03
In reply to Another View, posted by verne on April 18, 2007, at 20:34:27
> Of all the thousands of posters I've encountered I consider Larry Hoover the *gold* standard. Knowledge, Compassion, and Sincerity.
>
> VerneVery kind of you to say that, Verne. Thank you.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 19, 2007, at 17:28:37
In reply to Larry Hoover is a highly valued member of this..., posted by scratchpad on April 18, 2007, at 22:24:25
> ...community. No disparaging remarks will be recognized by myself.
>
> end of story.
>
> spThanks, scratchy. Two supportive posts! I'll try to live up to your faith in me.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 19, 2007, at 17:29:22
In reply to Re: Larry Hoover is a highly valued member of this... » scratchpad, posted by Phillipa on April 18, 2007, at 22:33:13
> Ditto. Love Phillipa
Ditto to you, too. Thanks, J.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 19, 2007, at 17:31:19
In reply to awwe, verne.... » verne, posted by karen_kay on April 18, 2007, at 22:52:13
> while i may consider myself the gold standard, i wouldn't hesitate to believe most would agree with that one as well!
But everyone knows you are the diamond standard, kk. Apples and oranges!
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 19, 2007, at 18:31:38
In reply to Another View, posted by verne on April 18, 2007, at 20:34:27
> Anyway, when the smoke cleared, chemist and Larry were both warned or blocked, after *I* had provoked them. I only escaped punishment because I knew how to attack someone within the civility rules. I was Babble savvy.
Can you teach me, Verne?
Oh, never mind. ;-)
Lar
Posted by karen_kay on April 20, 2007, at 7:25:48
In reply to Re: awwe, verne.... » karen_kay, posted by Larry Hoover on April 19, 2007, at 17:31:19
if i didn't know better, you're either kissing my *ss or you do know me very well. (with the diamonds and all)
and an aries, eh?
my best (female) friend is an aries. are you too known for freaking out at walmart for them not having your favorite shade of $.99 wet and wild blush? (that sure is a sight to behold) that's assuming you wear blush of course. i am known to assume....apples and oranges huh? are you referring to my body type? i am an apple shape, you know....
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 20, 2007, at 8:43:02
In reply to well lar.. jerk trigger (myself of course) » Larry Hoover, posted by karen_kay on April 20, 2007, at 7:25:48
> if i didn't know better, you're either kissing my *ss or you do know me very well. (with the diamonds and all)
The latter, I assure you. Have you got enough engagement rings, yet? Hmmmm? I thought not.
I don't need fake blush. I'm pretty good at the real thing.
Lar
Posted by KayeBaby on April 20, 2007, at 15:44:01
In reply to Larry Hoover is a highly valued member of this..., posted by scratchpad on April 18, 2007, at 22:24:25
> ...community. No disparaging remarks will be recognized by myself.
>
> end of story.
>
> spAllow me to fling my pennies into the fray here.
I have seen no evidence of low character in Larry Hoover.
Hosta!
Kaye (my wagon has circled and is now in park) ;)
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on April 22, 2007, at 19:47:52
In reply to Re: Larry Hoover is a highly valued member of this..., posted by KayeBaby on April 20, 2007, at 15:44:01
this thread was about Jai...
Jai, dear, I would miss you if you decided to take off for other pastures. I have enjoyed our haiku ping-pongs on the writing board.
I have enjoyed trying to figure out what the second part of your name translates to.
The first part I think I know, at least in 1 language, and it is very lovely.
yours,
-Ll
Posted by Kath on April 23, 2007, at 15:51:15
In reply to once upon a time, I never undestood why..., posted by Jai Narayan on April 9, 2007, at 22:41:31
> the goose wanted to gander...
> I am a wandering peruser now. I was an active poster but no more. I post maybe every full moon or is it new moon? I have become infrequent. but who cares anyway...
> Jai
>Jai - have you become infrequent for any particular reason?
Feeling better? feeling worse? (hope not)
:-) Kath
Posted by MCK on May 1, 2007, at 14:54:56
In reply to Another View, posted by verne on April 18, 2007, at 20:34:27
> Of all the thousands of posters I've encountered I consider Larry Hoover the *gold* standard. Knowledge, Compassion, and Sincerity.
>
> VerneAhh, alternate viewpoints are always a good thing. However, for me to form such a glowing or a negative opinion of someone's character requires my seeing that person in situations more complex.
If things of such import as character asessment and integrity could be so easily be asessed there would be far less victimization and harm done in the world.
How often does one hear "Well it was no suprise to anyone we all thought he/she was a terrible person"
And how often does one hear a variation of "It was such a shock to everyone he/she seemed like the nicest person, a pillar of the community?"
No personal casting of aspersions here, but as a broad example, it's said of sociopaths that no one leaves a conversation with a true sociopath thinking "What a nefarious individual" They leave thinking "What a great person!"
I have no desire to persue this topic of conversation via the internet as I've realized it serves no purpose to anyone. People will see what they need to see.
Posted by karen_kay on May 1, 2007, at 16:15:06
In reply to Re: Another View » verne, posted by MCK on May 1, 2007, at 14:54:56
you said: No personal casting of aspersions here, but as a broad example, it's said of sociopaths that no one leaves a conversation with a true sociopath thinking "What a nefarious individual" They leave thinking "What a great person!"
i fear i may well be a true sociopath. if one is one, does one realize it? (i do tend to think i'm rather great, actually truly wonderful.)
Posted by MCK on May 1, 2007, at 19:54:44
In reply to oh dear! » MCK, posted by karen_kay on May 1, 2007, at 16:15:06
Ah, I think if you question yourself and your motives it's unlikely. Sociopaths unlike psychopaths know the rules, which is what makes them difficult to spot, they know when and how to play along, but feel some divine right allows their personal exemption when it suits.
Now, there are plenty of occasions where rule breaking is a good thing. What I'm speaking of is the right to lie, to victimize, to commit crime, using others to ones own end I suppose.
I'll bring out the old chestnut:
"All snakes are reptiles but not all reptiles are snakes"After all 'twould be a shame to start thinking every charismatic person you meet is sociopathic. Fortunate that it's not the defining factor, it's a reminder to keep one's mind open. I've not seen too many of your posts but from the little I have seen, it looks like that's nothing you have a problem with.
Posted by karen_kay on May 1, 2007, at 20:22:26
In reply to Re: oh dear! » karen_kay, posted by MCK on May 1, 2007, at 19:54:44
don't we all do that, in some ways? i'm not saying outright manipulate the system, steal candy bars (ok, i think i've stolen liquor as a teen, but if they sold it to minors, there'd be no need to steal it, right?), act like complete vandals (ok, again bringing up teenage angst), lied (and am completely able to justify all these things in my head).
i think i'm thinking more of my afterthought first.
basically, where is the line drawn? i'm pretty good at 'getting my way'. maybe it's just because i'm so 'darn cute' and everyone's just happy to do it? it does lead me to wonder though, is that me manipulating or people just not minding me doing it?
do you even care? if not feel free to say 'hey, you're pretty darn sweet to me' and i'll be happy with that answer. i've often just wondered about that whole sociopath dx (even asked my therapist if he thought i had it. he said no and laughed, but i decided he just didn't know the 'real' me.). i seem to fit many of the descriptions (or at least feel i do). perhaps it's just guilt?
Posted by MCK on May 2, 2007, at 14:42:40
In reply to well, to be completely honest.. » MCK, posted by karen_kay on May 1, 2007, at 20:22:26
> don't we all do that, in some ways? i'm not saying outright manipulate the system, steal candy bars (ok, i think i've stolen liquor as a teen, but if they sold it to minors, there'd be no need to steal it, right?), act like complete vandals (ok, again bringing up teenage angst), lied (and am completely able to justify all these things in my head).
>Yes I think most do. I'd be less concerned with labels and more concerned with how my actions affect people. I didn't mean to portray myself as a believer in labelling people just because their actions could be categorized in some way.
As for breaking laws I can't argue that an arbitrary set of societal laws should be followed or one is a sociopath. The opposite is often true, few unjust laws would ever have been changed without having been broken, think of Rosa Parks.
If I came across as someone who championed the DSM whatever and would put the same label on Idi Amin or Jim Bakker as I would on someone who stole a candy bar or cheated on their car insurance it was completely unintentional. I hope that answers your question.
> i think i'm thinking more of my afterthought first.
>
> basically, where is the line drawn? i'm pretty good at 'getting my way'. maybe it's just because i'm so 'darn cute' and everyone's just happy to do it? it does lead me to wonder though, is that me manipulating or people just not minding me doing it?
>
> do you even care? if not feel free to say 'hey, you're pretty darn sweet to me' and i'll be happy with that answer. i've often just wondered about that whole sociopath dx (even asked my therapist if he thought i had it. he said no and laughed, but i decided he just didn't know the 'real' me.). i seem to fit many of the descriptions (or at least feel i do). perhaps it's just guilt?
Posted by karen_kay on May 2, 2007, at 19:32:14
In reply to Re: well, to be completely honest.. » karen_kay, posted by MCK on May 2, 2007, at 14:42:40
i think i'm just trying to use you as a sit in, online therapist.
i'm sorry. i do get rather concerned about my own intentions, movitations, ect.
you didn't come across as anything but someone knowledgable.
my own personal issues, i assure you. you don't appear to be casting out dx's or judgements of any sort. you just mentioned sociopaths and my eyes perked (opened?), as i've always suspected myself as one.
again, sorry for the confusion. it's my own issue dear.
Posted by MCK on May 2, 2007, at 22:34:29
In reply to oh dear yet again... » MCK, posted by karen_kay on May 2, 2007, at 19:32:14
Dear, and (perfectly sweet) Karen KayI didn't mean to sound cross. I understand those issues, which is why I probably couldn't offer any help. I too am obsessively scrutinizing my own motives, we are hindered I think a certain amount by biology, things we desire, reactions we desire.
I've arrived at the point where I believe as long as I'm constantly scrutinizing and learning, weighing out harm done and not adhering to concepts soley because they exist, then I'm doing as well as I can. That's all I would expect from anyone, but of course I'm not you, so it's probably easy for me to say. Besides, if I said any more things you may well propose to me and then I'd have to be the first to break your heart.
Posted by verne on May 3, 2007, at 1:10:28
In reply to Re: Another View » verne, posted by MCK on May 1, 2007, at 14:54:56
MCK,
Why not accept my view of Larry Hoover as the "gold standard" without quibbling? Essentially, you attempt to invalidate my experience of the Hooverite as a glowing influence. Afterall, isn't that just my view, anyway?
Would you tell someone, in real life, their view of another person was "wrong", that they should see the person in a more "complex" situation, and then suggest the object of their admiration may be a sociopath?
It would be like someone following you around the art museum telling you that you've viewed a painting in the wrong way. Can't we, at least, allow others to have their own perspectives?
verne
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