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Posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 12:35:32
In reply to Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 2:59:04
> ... whose unauthorized, disrespectful research that violates many laws is based on theft at the expense and risk of suffering individuals who provided the information.
to compel someone to do something or to compel or cause someone to refrain from doing something he has a legal right to do is coercion. without physical violence this is a misdemeanor or more depending of how many persons are involved.
Posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 12:37:23
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 12:35:32
> > ... whose unauthorized, disrespectful research that violates many laws is based on theft at the expense and risk of suffering individuals who provided the information.
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> to compel someone to do something or to compel or cause someone to refrain from doing something he has a legal right to do is coercion. without physical violence this is a misdemeanor or more depending of how many persons are involved.
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>it is indeed a criminal offense.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 14:37:29
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 12:37:23
But a large part of the theraputic value of the place was the dialogue that took place. From lighthearted back and forth on social to deep and meaningfuls on writing to... A large part is in seeing how people can post things about their sensitivities and fears and how (with time to process) different people can resonate with different aspects and contribute different things to the narrative the original poster comes to accept... And more besides. You can't just remove one post or one persons post without creating a hole in the conversation. Without rendering the conversation non-sense with people responding to phantoms.
I don't know why you think that these other security measures are genuinely secure. I understand that you think they are. You think they delete or do not store your data but I don't understand why it is that you genuinely seem to believe that.
I think there is a value to the message Dr Bob gave about making no guarantees for things that are genuinely outside his power. The site did pretty well for quite a while... Then there were hacking attempts, I remember. But insofar as I know they were just about the pictures and not the text.
Oftentimes it's the older stuff that is genuinely better. Email was genuinely better when it was simple. Now it is readily revisable by people who become mortified to discover that they are in fact acountable for what they emailed when acting in professional capacity (largely in being dismissive or pooh poohing or disclosing 'information' they shouldn't have).
LaTeX is more stable than Word and so on...
Cathedrals survive natural disaster.
Babble... Still here.
I think the law people are a little busy with a bunch of crooks out there. And now that people don't have all the money of the University of Chicago be so bothered about suing... Yeah...
Posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 15:15:48
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 14:37:29
dear alexandra, here aren't holes possible, but that is exactly the problem. with e.g. telegram there will be holes but when downloaded offline every 1/4 a year, almost no holes will appear but when downloaded offline once a year, then there are more holes. it's not only important what you want to see, but it is also important what you and someone else want to see. and it is also important what all others, therefore none posters can see.
if you like a thread, you can print it out or save it on your hard disk.
you're right that older things are sometimes better but you also must go with changed circumstances and laws. privacy rights got more important and tighter regulated.
Posted by ert on October 31, 2018, at 1:15:30
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 15:15:48
It is good possible that Robert C. Hsiung never deleted a post and it is for sure that he infringes the copyrights of at least 23'000 users (nytimes) or med user profiles and redacted only very little content.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on October 31, 2018, at 18:32:12
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 12:35:32
there was a quote somewhere that dr-bob was a mastermind, yes what we write here, it can be used for ... let's just this board is like a viewing, this page is all over the internet, and it would shock how many people have browsed and read this board. Dr-bob, ... i don't know dr-bob does i think view us a gerbals in a cage and takes a picture of our online postings and shares it twitter, this page is large in viewers and people who study
Deputies have retired, or dormant... and the original server, has been turned into a data base with our posts. so yes i guess we are on candid internet browsing and study
Posted by rjlockhart37 on October 31, 2018, at 18:36:31
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by rjlockhart37 on October 31, 2018, at 18:32:12
we'll not putting it like gerbals, disregard that comment, totally untrue
it's just this is an online communitee, we all have our own unique posters, and this board is still going even though the deputies have retired, continues to run even after it's peak days were over with.
Posted by SLS on October 31, 2018, at 20:04:41
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by rjlockhart37 on October 31, 2018, at 18:36:31
What would you have Dr. Bob do?
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 1, 2018, at 0:18:46
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief... » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on October 31, 2018, at 20:04:41
This website actually had never been compliant and it is even more non compliant at the present with US and especially other international laws. As I had to find out, the site also is not anymore sufficiently administered (unreliable delete, redaction and responses to e-mails). IMO that research should be clearly prohibited but only be allowed in the presence of a reliable and lawful administration (not like Dr. Robert C. Hsiung's).
Therefore, I suggest the following measures:
(1)Clear the searchable online archives every 5th (or so ) year or automatically delete posts older than 5 years (so that it is also compliant with EU law and the copyright act). All other public archives older than 5 years must be deleted.
(2)Appoint someone else independent e.g. from the student counseling of Chicago for a reliable delete (they could run it completely or e.g. in turn take over half of the running costs)
(2)Take it down and start it new with modern software like https://www.phpbb.com/
(3) thorough cleansing of the archives and move it to the ncbi
(4) Take it down for ever
(5) make a link to telegram groups (two groups psycho-med and psycho-social-admin, later on it could be opened some more) on the psycho-babble website or another website. Take down all public archives, make the archive temporarily available for offline download but only for a limited time, move it to the ncbi for a thorough cleansing afterwards.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 1, 2018, at 1:45:00
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief... » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on October 31, 2018, at 20:04:41
im not sure exactly how dr-bob retweets our posts, but he does, and other forms of social media.
I would just like dr-bob to include and make a clear record of all of our intellectual thoughts, and keep them to the poster. You know like intellectual properties, thoughts that are only from that poster. What i'm saying is even though this board seems, simple, it is viewed shocking amounts on google. But to not copy intellectual thoughts, or retweet and not give credit to the poster. I've posted some not so inticing things, but just like you can delete tweets and facebooks posts, you can't here...right when you click that submit post button, it stays on the data base, only deleted by dr-bob or deputies....
this board is like a communitee, less posters than there were, and alot of know eachother somewhat.... benefiting on how far we've came along.
Posted by SLS on November 1, 2018, at 6:24:57
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on November 1, 2018, at 0:18:46
I don't know about the legal considerations, but I treasure the archives for the wealth of information and support it provides.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on November 1, 2018, at 6:26:30
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by rjlockhart37 on November 1, 2018, at 1:45:00
> im not sure exactly how dr-bob retweets our posts, but he does, and other forms of social media.
Can you find for me a retweet by Dr. Bob?
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 1, 2018, at 13:13:41
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief... » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on November 1, 2018, at 6:26:30
I would say 5 years by easily cutting the posts older than 5 years in a half year schedule is way enough. You can also download the database with the cyotek webcopy software. Most postings have nothing to do with efficacy and side effects of a medication. There is from the perspective of the researcher interesting slang, tales, specific terms and other determinant information that could predict significance for the occurrence of a mental disease.
Exactly those to some extent partly anonymous full public med profiles or user profiles that are puzzled together by all linked posts are not allowed and a too big intrusion in a patient or individuals privacy. Actually every medical doctor like Dr. Robert C. Hsiung should now this.
Dr. Mengele did some personal, from an ethical standpoint unauthorized research and did not care about the well being of his clients. For sure he was convinced about the importance of his research subject. Of course I do not want to point out any equality here. The severity done by a professional person will likely never be repeatable.
Read the faqs. For me it sounds somewhat callous, especially given the violated property rights and disrespected will of participants:You may want to think twice about what you post. Under certain circumstances, being linked to a post could jeopardize your job or lead to your criminal prosecution. To repeat, what you say could be used against you. The only way to be completely safe from these risks is to abstain from this activity.
And as a matter of fact, he will not help you much. Once you posted especially when younger, you are at risk. your whole life.
I do not want to only highlight negative properties of someones character given that as a whole most people have possible positive traits.
Posted by ert on November 4, 2018, at 15:16:44
In reply to Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 2:59:04
he has sadistic sociopathic traits in his character. he would not do what somebody makes happy, rather to contrary. and he relishes the ability and power to do that.
Posted by ert on November 6, 2018, at 9:48:21
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on November 4, 2018, at 15:16:44
I just read that Hsiung is himself a patient. Maybe the drugs impaired his reasoning and conduct. But this does not justify that he acts against the will of people and that he does not act in compliance with the laws. The drugs could impair someones act or give someone paranoid thoughts and probably it is acted according to them. But drugs do not change someones reasoning according to the personal character traits and morals.
Posted by SLS on November 6, 2018, at 10:38:37
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on November 6, 2018, at 9:48:21
> I just read that Hsiung is himself a patient.
I would like to see this for review. Where can I find it?
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 6, 2018, at 11:26:48
In reply to Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 2:59:04
It does not change his morals, that he is not compliant with the laws and that he acts against peoples and owners will.
the lamictal can maybe make somewhat indifferent but I doubt that's only a drug. I suppose that he had mood swings then...
Posted by SLS on November 7, 2018, at 15:24:41
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on November 6, 2018, at 11:26:48
Thanks for the information.
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 8, 2018, at 0:56:20
In reply to Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 2:59:04
Probably it is both mainly the character and the drugs to some extent. Some participants here said that they think that the long term use of drugs begin to impair their mental capabilities permanently.
I was immediately aware that he does not take this serious enough when he deliberately did not delete some specific terms and location identifiers (said he thinks that this is not important) and later on made false promises to delete posts. At that particular moment he was in his full conscious and acted against my will.
Maybe he got a bit tired of his website since his absence here is obvious.
Posted by ert on November 8, 2018, at 12:15:55
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on November 8, 2018, at 0:56:20
I not a proponent of big punishments in minor things but rather a believer of corrective actions that could benefit and protect at best all people, but especially those who are in a weak position.
Posted by ert on November 8, 2018, at 14:15:07
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief..., posted by ert on November 8, 2018, at 12:15:55
Ive been on every antidepressant out there, and after 25 years with every one pooping on me and not getting better, I decided enough was enough
this is written in the article in that the dr. bob describes his experience coming off a mood stabilizer. Hopefully he does well when he maybe lives drug free. when he is not in a mania but in a depression phase then it can happen that some people are such strongly depressed that they can not barely move a finger and use a keyboard. If that is the case or he struggles with health problems then I wish all the best for recovery.
Posted by SLS on November 11, 2018, at 14:04:50
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience, posted by ert on November 8, 2018, at 14:15:07
> Ive been on every antidepressant out there, and after 25 years with every one pooping on me and not getting better, I decided enough was enough
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> this is written in the article in that the dr. bob describes his experience coming off a mood stabilizer. Hopefully he does well when he maybe lives drug free. when he is not in a mania but in a depression phase then it can happen that some people are such strongly depressed that they can not barely move a finger and use a keyboard. If that is the case or he struggles with health problems then I wish all the best for recovery.Which article?
- Scott
Posted by sigismund on November 11, 2018, at 16:53:41
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience » ert, posted by SLS on November 11, 2018, at 14:04:50
But you'd read this, right, Scott?
Posted by alexandra_k on November 11, 2018, at 22:24:24
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience, posted by sigismund on November 11, 2018, at 16:53:41
Does that sound like the Dr Bob you know?
?
Posted by SLS on November 12, 2018, at 19:54:14
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience, posted by sigismund on November 11, 2018, at 16:53:41
> But you'd read this, right, Scott?
>
> https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/12618-doctor-reveals-struggles-lamictal-sjs/Right, Sigi. Thanks.
I am sad to see this.
- Scott
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