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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 78 to 102 of 138. Go back in thread:
Posted by Toph on March 16, 2008, at 7:55:12
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 5:46:38
> Oh, and let us not forget that the good doctor has a personal and professional life outside of reading every post on Psycho-Babble and responding to all requests.
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> What in the hell are you expecting from just one man?
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> I find this need to have Dr. Hsiung available at all times on PB to be unreasonable.
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> Now, talk amongst yourselves...
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> - Scott
>Then maybe its time to take the picture down and stop suggesting that he is responsible for this site. I dont expect him to be here all the time, I don't think many do. But he needs to be here when needed, when his senior deputy quits, when she and a multitude ask him for assistance and an explanation. Most chief executives have vacations and other pressing obligations when conflicts arises. Responsible ones return or use technology to show leadership. My outrage is becoming tempered by my waning expectations of this administrator who exposes his cowardice with each passing day.
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 9:50:39
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by Toph on March 16, 2008, at 7:55:12
> > Oh, and let us not forget that the good doctor has a personal and professional life outside of reading every post on Psycho-Babble and responding to all requests.
> >
> > What in the hell are you expecting from just one man?
> >
> > I find this need to have Dr. Hsiung available at all times on PB to be unreasonable.
> >
> > Now, talk amongst yourselves...
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
>
> ******Toph said: Then maybe its time to take the picture down and stop suggesting that he is responsible for this site. I dont expect him to be here all the time, I don't think many do. But he needs to be here when needed, when his senior deputy quits, when she and a multitude ask him for assistance and an explanation. Most chief executives have vacations and other pressing obligations when conflicts arises. Responsible ones return or use technology to show leadership. My outrage is becoming tempered by my waning expectations of this administrator who exposes his cowardice with each passing day.*****I take back what I said about not posting about this mess anymore!
Scott, are you listening to the pain/anger of the posters? It was oozing out of the pores of my screen the other night. I couldn't have avoided it, if I had tried by leaving my house. It would have stayed on my mind even then.
It isn't even like this is the first time that he has abandoned PB and refused to come around when posters needed him and I have never seen anyone ask him to be here all of the time. Posters have personal lives and responsibilities too.
As one with experience, let me tell you that all professionals don't go off and have no communication with their office for long lengths of time.
Scott you asked this< " What in the hell are you expecting from just one man?" Let me ask you a question. What does that one man expect from the posters here? Words for his papers, books, speeches, etc.
Babble should be a two way street that runs both ways. It is now a four lane, running from the posters and a tiny dirt trail running from Bob to PB. It reminds me of my family, the distance between our cities is too far from them to drive to see me and it isn't too far for me to drive to see them.
I don't get what you aren't seeing here. Bob has chosen to disappear and leave confused and hurt people to cope with their questions and their fears.
"Toph, I agree about the lack of administration and I second the thought that Bob can take the photograph down now. I vote for a hot studmuffin from Holly wood. He might have a laptop. :-)"
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Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:23:29
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 7:32:13
> I am curious to know if anyone is disturbed that the interaction between Dr. Hsiung and his deputy moderators be confidential.
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> If so, why?
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>
> - Scottwhat is going on right now could be an answer to your question. little things are thrown out and the membership has no idea what is going on.
communication has always been private between Bob and the deputies and people know that. it is what it is and, in my opinion, should be.
part of the issue now is the fact that people knew something was up that affected PB members and no explanation was given to them.
Bob still hasn't shown up to explain anything to PB members.
this is an online support forum, is it not? and forums like this generally have someone who owns the site and profits from it. how about giving back to the posters? they are the reason that the website exists. (yes, yes, yes, i already know that the real support comes from one another......)
there is always someone that should answer to questions when people are in doubt about the mechanics that affect them. do you agree with that or do you think the site should just run itself, without any direction from the owner?
are you playing devil's advocate?
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:38:33
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » Toph, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 9:50:39
Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
What can't you do while he is not here?
He has no duty to make you happy.
In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
I hear children whining. It must be me.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:40:34
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » SLS, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:23:29
> are you playing devil's advocate?
That's funny. I was thinking of asking you the same question.
- Scott
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:55:47
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » fayeroe, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:40:34
> > are you playing devil's advocate?
>
> That's funny. I was thinking of asking you the same question.
>
>
> - Scotthardly.....
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 11:33:48
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » SLS, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 10:55:47
> > > are you playing devil's advocate?
> >
> > That's funny. I was thinking of asking you the same question.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
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> hardly.....
Yeah, well. Why did you ask me that question in the first place?I'll be happy to disclose whether or not I have been playing Devil's Advocate if you will be so kind as to answer my question.
- Scott
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 11:39:29
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » fayeroe, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 11:33:48
excuse me?
this part sounds like a junior high argument to me.
no, thanks, Scott......
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 12:11:57
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:38:33
> Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
>
> If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
>
> What can't you do while he is not here?
>
> He has no duty to make you happy.
>
> In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
>
> Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
>
> So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
>
> What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
>
> I hear children whining. It must be me.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 12:18:23
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott's and to others-lighehbhil?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 12:11:57
Posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 12:21:00
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » SLS, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 11:39:29
> excuse me?
>
> this part sounds like a junior high argument to me.
>
> no, thanks, Scott......
Now, you got it!
- Scott
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 13:17:19
In reply to Re: Willful neglect » fayeroe, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 12:21:00
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 13:19:05
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott's and to others-lighehbhil?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 12:11:57
> > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> >
> > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> >
> > What can't you do while he is not here?
> >
> > He has no duty to make you happy.
> >
> > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> >
> > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> >
> > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> >
> > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> >
> > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> Lou
>friends,
It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 13:36:34
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott's and to others-droughem, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 13:19:05
> > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> > >
> > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> > >
> > > What can't you do while he is not here?
> > >
> > > He has no duty to make you happy.
> > >
> > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > >
> > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > >
> > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> > >
> > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> > >
> > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> > Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> > In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> > Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> > Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> > Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> > Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> > Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> > Lou
> >
>
> friends,
> It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
> In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
> In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
> And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
> Lou
>Friends,
Let us look a what members here have access to in reagrds to medicines. A member here can click on the following:
http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 13:49:41
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott's and to others-tips, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 13:36:34
> > > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> > > >
> > > > What can't you do while he is not here?
> > > >
> > > > He has no duty to make you happy.
> > > >
> > > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > > >
> > > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > > >
> > > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> > > >
> > > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> > > >
> > > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Scott
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> > > Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> > > In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> > > Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> > > Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> > > Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> > > Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> > > Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> > > Lou
> > >
> >
> > friends,
> > It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
> > In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
> > In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
> > And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
> > Lou
> >
>
> Friends,
> Let us look a what members here have access to in reagrds to medicines. A member here can click on the following:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/
> Lou
>
>
Friends,
Let us look at the link that members can acccess here concerning advice about medicines and such and if this does or does not have the potential to lead some others to think that there is advice or not concerning clinical pharmacology.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/experts.html
Posted by Deputy Racer on March 16, 2008, at 13:53:45
In reply to Re: Willful neglect DNP to me, Scott (nm) » SLS, posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 13:17:19
The guidelines of this site require that requests that someone not post directly to you be made privately, through the notification system. This policy is explained in the FAQ for this site, and can be found here: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harassed Because your post above violates this policy, which has been in place for some time, I'm going to ask you to be civil according to the guidelines for this site. Please don't post anything which could lead others to feel accused or put down, including requests not to post to you.
If you have any questions regarding the posting policies on this site, please read the FAQ, located at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil Follow ups to this action should be directed to the Administration board and should themselves be civil.
Dr Bob has ultimate authority over all administrative issues on this site, and may choose at any time to revise or reverse any action taken by a deputy.
Deputy Racer
Posted by fayeroe on March 16, 2008, at 14:11:48
In reply to Please follow board guidelines » fayeroe, posted by Deputy Racer on March 16, 2008, at 13:53:45
I've been out of the loop for a long time and I apologize for posting on the board.
However, I also filled out the form and surely it has been reviewed by now?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 14:35:20
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott's and to others-xpurtz, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 13:49:41
> > > > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> > > > >
> > > > > What can't you do while he is not here?
> > > > >
> > > > > He has no duty to make you happy.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > > > >
> > > > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Scott
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> > > > Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> > > > In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> > > > Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> > > > Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> > > > Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> > > > Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> > > > Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > >
> > > friends,
> > > It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
> > > In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
> > > In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
> > > And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
> > > Lou
> > >
> >
> > Friends,
> > Let us look a what members here have access to in reagrds to medicines. A member here can click on the following:
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/
> > Lou
> >
> >
> Friends,
> Let us look at the link that members can acccess here concerning advice about medicines and such and if this does or does not have the potential to lead some others to think that there is advice or not concerning clinical pharmacology.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/experts.html
>
>
> friends,
Here is a link where it is th epotential IMO for some others to think that Dr. Hsiung is writing about medication.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010417/msgs/60424.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 15:26:56
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott's and to others-tkdtdrg, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 14:35:20
> > > > > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What can't you do while he is not here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He has no duty to make you happy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Scott
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> > > > > Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> > > > > In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> > > > > Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> > > > > Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> > > > > Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> > > > > Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> > > > > Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > friends,
> > > > It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
> > > > In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
> > > > In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
> > > > And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Let us look a what members here have access to in reagrds to medicines. A member here can click on the following:
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/
> > > Lou
> > >
> > >
> > Friends,
> > Let us look at the link that members can acccess here concerning advice about medicines and such and if this does or does not have the potential to lead some others to think that there is advice or not concerning clinical pharmacology.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/experts.html
> >
> >
> > friends,
> Here is a link where it is th epotential IMO for some others to think that Dr. Hsiung is writing about medication.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010417/msgs/60424.htmlFriends,
Here is a link to one of Dr. Hsiung's guest experts that members could read about the drug Serzone. Dr. Kramer writes:
A. Serzone's liver problems are quite rare
B. Serzone is a good drug
Now that was written here in 2002
In 2004, Serzone was taken off the market 9citation sz1) because
C.liver failure (people die from liver failure and there were 21 deaths linked to Serzone in the US, one possible, a 15 year old girl).
D.The FDA had forced the manufacturer in 2002 to add a serious liver warning, but problems continued
E. The drug was taken off the market in Europe, New Zealand, Austrailia and Canada and was continued to be prescribed in the US.
Now let us reason together here. Has not Dr. Hsiung allowed this post to remain without being updated in the thread that it appears? If so, could a member here be influenced to think that Serzone is a good drug as Dr. Hsiung's expert guest , Dr. Kramer, writes? Could it be determined as to if Dr. Kramer knew about the taking off from the market the drug in 2002 in Europe? Even though the drug has been taken off the market in 2004 in the US, could there be now some people in the US that have shelved the drug in 2004 think that they can reinstate it now if they have no knowlege of that the drug has been taken off the market?
Lou
citation sz1
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/eveningnews/main612150.shtml
Posted by gardenergirl on March 16, 2008, at 15:47:20
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:38:33
> If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
I'm probably answering this too broadly, as I'm thinking of what I need from Dr. Bob at all, not necessarily as a visible presence on the boards. But anyway, here goes in no particular order:
1. Pay the bills so the boards stay open and accessible.
2. Technical maintenance to fix any problems and improve functioning as needed.
3. Support and supervise the deputies, which means adequate communication with them, accessibility to them, and respect for their contributions and unique role.
4. Act on admin issues that the deputies are not able to, for whatever reason, or adapting roles or rules to make the need for him to step in a rare event.
>
> What can't you do while he is not here?Can't think of anything. I'm pretty content at the moment.
>
> Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.The only effect I've been aware of this time is just reacting to others' reactions. Now when I was a deputy, Bob's absences had much more of an effect on me. Happily, that isn't the case now.
So that's what I've got, just about my reactions, as I certainly can't speak for anyone else. I'm right there with you, Scott, about the problem with trying to express a global consensus here.
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 15:48:56
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott and to others-huduutnkurfun?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 15:26:56
> > > > > > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What can't you do while he is not here?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He has no duty to make you happy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> > > > > > Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> > > > > > In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> > > > > > Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> > > > > > Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> > > > > > Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> > > > > > Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> > > > > > Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > friends,
> > > > > It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
> > > > > In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
> > > > > In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
> > > > > And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
> > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Let us look a what members here have access to in reagrds to medicines. A member here can click on the following:
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Let us look at the link that members can acccess here concerning advice about medicines and such and if this does or does not have the potential to lead some others to think that there is advice or not concerning clinical pharmacology.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/experts.html
> > >
> > >
> > > friends,
> > Here is a link where it is th epotential IMO for some others to think that Dr. Hsiung is writing about medication.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010417/msgs/60424.html
>
> Friends,
> Here is a link to one of Dr. Hsiung's guest experts that members could read about the drug Serzone. Dr. Kramer writes:
> A. Serzone's liver problems are quite rare
> B. Serzone is a good drug
> Now that was written here in 2002
> In 2004, Serzone was taken off the market 9citation sz1) because
> C.liver failure (people die from liver failure and there were 21 deaths linked to Serzone in the US, one possible, a 15 year old girl).
> D.The FDA had forced the manufacturer in 2002 to add a serious liver warning, but problems continued
> E. The drug was taken off the market in Europe, New Zealand, Austrailia and Canada and was continued to be prescribed in the US.
> Now let us reason together here. Has not Dr. Hsiung allowed this post to remain without being updated in the thread that it appears? If so, could a member here be influenced to think that Serzone is a good drug as Dr. Hsiung's expert guest , Dr. Kramer, writes? Could it be determined as to if Dr. Kramer knew about the taking off from the market the drug in 2002 in Europe? Even though the drug has been taken off the market in 2004 in the US, could there be now some people in the US that have shelved the drug in 2004 think that they can reinstate it now if they have no knowlege of that the drug has been taken off the market?
> Lou
> citation sz1
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/eveningnews/main612150.shtml
>
Friends,
Serzone was known to cause liver failure well befor 2004 and was taken off the market in 2003 in Europe, Canada, Austrialia and New Zealand.
But the drug could be still available in the U.S. as a generic and I do not know if it is or is not availble as this is written, but it could be.
You see, that drug is from a chemical class called the Phenylpiperazines that I have been wanting to post about here. If one was prescribed a generic form of Serzone, how likely in your opinions could it be that a person receiving the drug as a generic could know that it was a phenylpiperazine as like Serzone if it still being prescribed?
I ask in your opinions, could (you could email me for this if you like)
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 16:01:58
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott and to others-tkurdgnsvem, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 15:48:56
> > > > > > > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What can't you do while he is not here?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He has no duty to make you happy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Scott
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> > > > > > > Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> > > > > > > In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> > > > > > > Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> > > > > > > Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> > > > > > > Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> > > > > > > Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> > > > > > > Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > friends,
> > > > > > It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
> > > > > > In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
> > > > > > In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
> > > > > > And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Let us look a what members here have access to in reagrds to medicines. A member here can click on the following:
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/
> > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Let us look at the link that members can acccess here concerning advice about medicines and such and if this does or does not have the potential to lead some others to think that there is advice or not concerning clinical pharmacology.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/experts.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > friends,
> > > Here is a link where it is th epotential IMO for some others to think that Dr. Hsiung is writing about medication.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010417/msgs/60424.html
> >
> > Friends,
> > Here is a link to one of Dr. Hsiung's guest experts that members could read about the drug Serzone. Dr. Kramer writes:
> > A. Serzone's liver problems are quite rare
> > B. Serzone is a good drug
> > Now that was written here in 2002
> > In 2004, Serzone was taken off the market 9citation sz1) because
> > C.liver failure (people die from liver failure and there were 21 deaths linked to Serzone in the US, one possible, a 15 year old girl).
> > D.The FDA had forced the manufacturer in 2002 to add a serious liver warning, but problems continued
> > E. The drug was taken off the market in Europe, New Zealand, Austrailia and Canada and was continued to be prescribed in the US.
> > Now let us reason together here. Has not Dr. Hsiung allowed this post to remain without being updated in the thread that it appears? If so, could a member here be influenced to think that Serzone is a good drug as Dr. Hsiung's expert guest , Dr. Kramer, writes? Could it be determined as to if Dr. Kramer knew about the taking off from the market the drug in 2002 in Europe? Even though the drug has been taken off the market in 2004 in the US, could there be now some people in the US that have shelved the drug in 2004 think that they can reinstate it now if they have no knowlege of that the drug has been taken off the market?
> > Lou
> > citation sz1
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/eveningnews/main612150.shtml
> >
> Friends,
> Serzone was known to cause liver failure well befor 2004 and was taken off the market in 2003 in Europe, Canada, Austrialia and New Zealand.
> But the drug could be still available in the U.S. as a generic and I do not know if it is or is not availble as this is written, but it could be.
> You see, that drug is from a chemical class called the Phenylpiperazines that I have been wanting to post about here. If one was prescribed a generic form of Serzone, how likely in your opinions could it be that a person receiving the drug as a generic could know that it was a phenylpiperazine as like Serzone if it still being prescribed?
> I ask in your opinions, could (you could email me for this if you like)
> Loufriends,
Here is the link to the post by DR. Kramer where he writes,[...Serzon's liver problems...are quite rare...] and,[...Serzone is a good drug...].
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020327/msgs/101267.html
Posted by Toph on March 16, 2008, at 16:31:21
In reply to Re: Willful neglect, posted by SLS on March 16, 2008, at 10:38:33
> Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing.
If you've been here 8 years, does he owe you anything for the research profitted off you and your contemporaries?
>Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
>
I do. but I think you might have just dissed the monerators there.> If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
>I don't want him here, I just want to hear what he has to say about the last several pages of admin posts.
> What can't you do while he is not here?
>
Huh?> He has no duty to make you happy.
>
Really, that's what I was hoping he could do for me. How disappointing.> In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
>
My car needs washing.
> Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
>
Most of the time, not at all. Lately, it pisses me off.
> So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
>
> What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
>
> I hear children whining. It must be me.
>
> - ScottThough maybe an unfair analogy, one could ask why do we need George Bush? He doesn't do much for me personally, but as a citizen, if Dick Chaney resigned, you can bet W's handlers would fashion a statement for the president to offer so as to reassure the masses that our country was in order without Halliburton man. I feel that I have a right to expect that the country's executive govern. Unfortunately, Bob doesn't govern here anymore like he did when you were first attracted to this place. It would be nice if he told us why he doesn't and why he has not intention of doing so again, even when there is a problem.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 16:45:41
In reply to Dereliction of duty, posted by Toph on March 16, 2008, at 16:31:21
> > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing.
>
> If you've been here 8 years, does he owe you anything for the research profitted off you and your contemporaries?
>
> >Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> >
> I do. but I think you might have just dissed the monerators there.
>
> > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> >
>
> I don't want him here, I just want to hear what he has to say about the last several pages of admin posts.
>
> > What can't you do while he is not here?
> >
> Huh?
>
> > He has no duty to make you happy.
> >
> Really, that's what I was hoping he could do for me. How disappointing.
>
> > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> >
> My car needs washing.
>
> > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> >
> Most of the time, not at all. Lately, it pisses me off.
>
> > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> >
> > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> >
> > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Though maybe an unfair analogy, one could ask why do we need George Bush? He doesn't do much for me personally, but as a citizen, if Dick Chaney resigned, you can bet W's handlers would fashion a statement for the president to offer so as to reassure the masses that our country was in order without Halliburton man. I feel that I have a right to expect that the country's executive govern. Unfortunately, Bob doesn't govern here anymore like he did when you were first attracted to this place. It would be nice if he told us why he doesn't and why he has not intention of doing so again, even when there is a problem.Toph,
You wrote,[...maybe an unfair analogy...]
I think that to make that determination as to what it could mean to be fair or unfair, we could look at the meaning of {fair}.
The generally accepted meaning of fair is that fairness is compared to impartiallity, free from self-interest and/or prejudice.
In your presentation of G.W Bush as the one in the analogy leaving and the analogy as I see it is about leaving, then you write as to what if he left, I do not know of anything in your analogy that I can see that could {rule out} that the analogy is a {fair} one. I may be mistaken and if anyone could post here what could rule out the analogy being fair, I would appreciate that, for I can not see any partiality or prejudice or self-interest in Yoph's post.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 16:49:09
In reply to Lou's reply to Toph's post-calaspasp » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 16:45:41
> > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing.
> >
> > If you've been here 8 years, does he owe you anything for the research profitted off you and your contemporaries?
> >
> > >Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
> > >
> > I do. but I think you might have just dissed the monerators there.
> >
> > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
> > >
> >
> > I don't want him here, I just want to hear what he has to say about the last several pages of admin posts.
> >
> > > What can't you do while he is not here?
> > >
> > Huh?
> >
> > > He has no duty to make you happy.
> > >
> > Really, that's what I was hoping he could do for me. How disappointing.
> >
> > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > >
> > My car needs washing.
> >
> > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > >
> > Most of the time, not at all. Lately, it pisses me off.
> >
> > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
> > >
> > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
> > >
> > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Though maybe an unfair analogy, one could ask why do we need George Bush? He doesn't do much for me personally, but as a citizen, if Dick Chaney resigned, you can bet W's handlers would fashion a statement for the president to offer so as to reassure the masses that our country was in order without Halliburton man. I feel that I have a right to expect that the country's executive govern. Unfortunately, Bob doesn't govern here anymore like he did when you were first attracted to this place. It would be nice if he told us why he doesn't and why he has not intention of doing so again, even when there is a problem.
>
> Toph,
> You wrote,[...maybe an unfair analogy...]
> I think that to make that determination as to what it could mean to be fair or unfair, we could look at the meaning of {fair}.
> The generally accepted meaning of fair is that fairness is compared to impartiallity, free from self-interest and/or prejudice.
> In your presentation of G.W Bush as the one in the analogy leaving and the analogy as I see it is about leaving, then you write as to what if he left, I do not know of anything in your analogy that I can see that could {rule out} that the analogy is a {fair} one. I may be mistaken and if anyone could post here what could rule out the analogy being fair, I would appreciate that, for I can not see any partiality or prejudice or self-interest in Yoph's post.
> Lou
>Friends,
The statement ,[...in Yoph's post...] is a typographical error and should read,[...in Toph's post..].
Lou
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