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Posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 13:15:03
If someone were to tell a racist joke on babble, a joke about rape, a joke about killing babies, a joke about Sept 11, a joke about the shootings at VA, a joke about someone harming kids sexually or physcially,etc. and I put a trigger warning on it, does that mean that it is excepted here at Babble or should I say allowed?
There are funny jokes that don't have to put down others or about gross abuse of animals, people, ect.
Now is we were allowed to post anything , then I can see everything being allowed, including the offensive jokes. But I thought this site was above this.
Heck we can't even write about what dose to take of drugs if you want to die, why can't we just but a trigger on that, and let those sensitive to that deceide to read it or not?
I know I am not the only one that feels that animal cruelty jokes shouldn't be allowed here. I have nothing against those who post those jokes, I just don't like the jokes, trigger or no trigger.
I am not triggered by these jokes. In fact I believe "being triggered" is way over used. Just because someone finds a joke offensive doesn't mean that they are triggered going into a downwards spiral to kill themselves.
If it is allowed to say oh, I think those jokes are funny, then it should be also allowed to say ,no it isn't funny to me. It is just an viewpoint.
I just don't find animal cruelity a jokes funny and joking about it seems to be "accepting " that it is okay to do so.I really thought this site had higher standards on what was allowed to post.
Posted by zazenducke on April 20, 2007, at 14:22:41
In reply to I feel animal cruelity jokes shouldn't be allowed, posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 13:15:03
Posted by gardenergirl on April 20, 2007, at 15:18:25
In reply to Deputy Dinah Harry would be so disappointed :-( (nm), posted by zazenducke on April 20, 2007, at 14:22:41
Posted by zazenducke on April 20, 2007, at 15:31:26
In reply to \ (nm) » zazenducke, posted by gardenergirl on April 20, 2007, at 15:18:25
I am ME
Everyone else can DEAL
:)
Posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 16:44:21
In reply to I feel animal cruelity jokes shouldn't be allowed, posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 13:15:03
Okay, fine, you call laugh and make fun of me, I (of course in your hidden ways, so not to get in trouble)(kinda like hidding a schoolmate at recess when the teacher isn't looking.
It reminds me of kind of highschool. I am glad you of all had your laughes at my expense. You must all be so proud of yourselves, I have learned in Psych, that people make fun of others to make themselves feel superior. Do you all feel better now? No need to bully me off this site, I will be glad to leave on my own will.
Posted by gardenergirl on April 20, 2007, at 17:06:16
In reply to Re: I feel animal cruelity jokes shouldn't be allowed, posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 16:44:21
Sorry if the zzd/GG dance waltzed into your pain. I don't know who's leading, but I sure wasn't looking where I was going. I'll try to watch my steps better going forward.
Namaste
gg
Posted by zazenducke on April 20, 2007, at 17:10:56
In reply to Re: I feel animal cruelity jokes shouldn't be allowed, posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 16:44:21
Happy flower I am sorry that wasn't my intention at all. Dinah was very outspoken several years ago when someone posted cruel statements about Harry her dog. The statement slinky make recalled that to me. I was calling for reinforcements because I have no influence at all around here. I'm really sorry I wasn't clearer..
I was actually disturbed by the joke titles tho I didn't open the posts.
I"m sorry I appeared to support posting that kind of humour on the original thread. I tried to go back and clarify on that board.
It takes a lot of courage to be sensitive about issues of abuse and willing to speak up about it. I know you have done that in the past also and I admire you for it.
I'm very sorry I posted indirectly and made you feel laughed at and bullied. I hope you won't decide to leave because of this. I was happy to see you posting again. I was clumsy in my posting and I'll try to be more careful.
I have no idea what GG meant by her post to me. I felt intimidated but I have no idea what she meant to communicate to me. I'm sorry I didn't just ignore her.
> Okay, fine, you call laugh and make fun of me, I (of course in your hidden ways, so not to get in trouble)(kinda like hidding a schoolmate at recess when the teacher isn't looking.
>
> It reminds me of kind of highschool. I am glad you of all had your laughes at my expense. You must all be so proud of yourselves, I have learned in Psych, that people make fun of others to make themselves feel superior. Do you all feel better now? No need to bully me off this site, I will be glad to leave on my own will.
Posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 17:13:23
In reply to Those posts aren't about you » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on April 20, 2007, at 17:06:16
Oh, I forgot you are innocent, of course! I write from the bottom of my heart, and you have your fun with my thread. Oh, how innocent you are . Some of us are not that stupid and can see through the veil. You walk a very good fine line.
Posted by karen_kay on April 20, 2007, at 17:14:15
In reply to I feel animal cruelity jokes shouldn't be allowed, posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 13:15:03
i have nothing to do with any of this!
obviously my joke offended some (and i could only imagine the impact it would have had if printed in original form), but wowsa!!!!! i have no idea what's going on here!
i hope everyone finds some sort of (what's the word) peace? in this mess...i have some pretty good helen keller jokes if anyone's interested?????
Posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 17:17:16
In reply to i'm just glad... (kk trigger), posted by karen_kay on April 20, 2007, at 17:14:15
um, I guess I just have compassion for animals and all living things and making jokes about be cruel is not my style.
Hopefully nothing will ever happen to the ones you love animals or people, because maybe you will understand where I am coming from, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 17:18:52
In reply to Re: i'm just glad... (kk trigger) » karen_kay, posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 17:17:16
and you KK trigger isn't funny either, you are making fun of me.
Posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 17:26:52
In reply to Re: I feel animal cruelity jokes shouldn't be allowed » Happyflower, posted by zazenducke on April 20, 2007, at 17:10:56
> Happy flower I am sorry that wasn't my intention at all.
I believe you are sincere, thank you.
>
> I have no idea what GG meant by her post to me. I felt intimidated but I have no idea what she meant to communicate to me. I'm sorry I didn't just ignore her.Well there is a reason you felt intimidated, this is exactly what I am talking about. Seeing so innocent, but yet if you look through the veil, you can read the message loud and clear. I know what she was trying to communicate to you and it wasn't support for me and my thread. In fact it had to do with a lot of other threads at the moment, not just this thread. I poured my heart out, and it got stomped on. But you didn't see what motives was in her post. So I accept your appology, you are innocent in this. And oh , yeah, I can report this post, but who am I reporting it to? This is my point. I am defenseless.
Posted by Dinah on April 20, 2007, at 17:40:37
In reply to Re: i'm just glad... (kk trigger), posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 17:18:52
> and you KK trigger isn't funny either, you are making fun of me.
Please don't jump to conclusions about others, or post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 18:19:32
In reply to Please Be Civil » Happyflower, posted by Dinah on April 20, 2007, at 17:40:37
Thank you so much Dinah for the civil warning.
Posted by Gabbi-2 on April 20, 2007, at 21:24:06
In reply to i'm just glad... (kk trigger), posted by karen_kay on April 20, 2007, at 17:14:15
This has gone far beyond any jokes, and any semblance of sensitivity to other beings as far as I know it anyway.
If there's one thing that I will never be able to stomach it's watching people get beaten emotionally to a bloody pulp by the "sensitivity" hammers of others.
Posted by Dinah on April 20, 2007, at 22:06:31
In reply to Re: i'm just glad... (kk trigger) » karen_kay, posted by Gabbi-2 on April 20, 2007, at 21:24:06
> If there's one thing that I will never be able to stomach it's watching people get beaten emotionally to a bloody pulp by the "sensitivity" hammers of others.
Please respect the views of others even if you think they're wrong. Please be sensitive to their feelings even if yours are hurt. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on April 20, 2007, at 22:25:33
In reply to Please be civil » Gabbi-2, posted by Dinah on April 20, 2007, at 22:06:31
Happy, I didn't read the jokes because that kind of humor is not my thing.
I'm so sorry about what has happened. I know there's nothing *I* can do to make things better for you.
Will you stay, though? I like you lots and I would miss you so much if you left.
please take care,
-Ll
Posted by muffled on April 20, 2007, at 23:50:01
In reply to ((((((Happyflower)))))), posted by LlurpsieNoodle on April 20, 2007, at 22:25:33
Hope you doin OK
Muffled
Posted by karen_kay on April 21, 2007, at 7:36:03
In reply to Re: i'm just glad... (kk trigger), posted by Happyflower on April 20, 2007, at 17:18:52
i wasn't making fun of you. i don't want you to feel that way. if my post hurt you, i'm sorry. but, i did put a trigger warning up, hence the point of the warning.
hf, it seems i'm getting into messes everywhere. and i certainly don't want to mess this one up. i'll not go into any unneeded details, but i assure you i don't abuse animals.
since when does telling a joke make one uncapable of feeling compassion? what if it had been a robot? would that have been bettter? (and sweetie, i assure you, there's no sarcasm here. i'm rather fond of you. remember all those nights in chat? i remember you were the first to ask about me when i was blocked. honestly it hurts to think that you think i'm making fun of you. what i am doing is trying to difuse the situation a bit. that's what i do.).
please dont think i'm making fun of you. it's rarely what i do. actually, it's never what i do.
like i said on social, it's not anyone in particular making me feel like a trigger, it's everything i write. perhaps i'm a trigger to myself.
i understand you have certain feelings about these issues, much as i do. and, much as i want to verify that i've done this and that to help animals, that's jsut going to make me feel better, and i'd much rathe rmake you feel better.
so, tell me, what can i do? (other than posting kk trigger, even though i've been posting that because it seems everythign i put on this board is triggering, not you, perhaps i'm triggering myself? so, if it makes you fel better, i'll discontinue the 'kk trigger' darling.) what else? how bout breakfast in bed a drive in that car of mine?
and one more thing, god forbid something should happen to my family. i'm not quite sure what you meant by that one or why it was worded the way it was. that one kinda stuck with me. how are you feeling dear? i hope you're doing well. my family's good. i'll do my best and assume you were asking how they were?
Posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 7:54:16
In reply to ((((((Happyflower)))))), posted by LlurpsieNoodle on April 20, 2007, at 22:25:33
> I'm so sorry about what has happened. I know there's nothing *I* can do to make things better for you.
Actually *you* have helped by responding to me in support, thank you.
> Will you stay, though? I like you lots and I would miss you so much if you left.I just don't know if I can stay in a place that allows animals abuse jokes. I speak out against it, and I become an *ss ,the problem, instead of what I am speaking out against in the first place. Kinda like the saying "don't kill the messenger".
Yeah, but I am okay, in fact maybe staying here when I am fine, may be causing me more harm than what is good. Maybe I need to put my energies into some real causes in the real world, where my efforts would be appreciated. Maybe staying here, keeps me stuck, because I am unable to really help anyone or to help make this site better because the threat of change(even for the better), creates too much resistance. Well it is becoming a waste of my time to persue. I care about babble very much, but I think I am not needed here. I think "I" don't need babble much anymore.
In real life the jokes we tell others, are a representive of who we are, and what we believe.
We may think it is harmless, but it will make an impact on what others think of us.For example telling racist jokes may seem harmless. But it in reality helps keep racism alive by making it "okay" to put ourselves above a certain race.
Telling animal cruelity jokes allows those who do abuse animals (which is a higher number than one might think) to continue to do so, because it is "funny" or accepted.
Do we want Babble to represent this? That is all I ask.
Sorry for the long post, but it is one of the many things I am passionate about.
Peace to all, animals too.Happyflower
Posted by gardenergirl on April 21, 2007, at 8:14:50
In reply to Re: ((((((Happyflower)))))) » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 7:54:16
For the record, according to my records, no one has reported the posts with the jokes for review. Dr. Bob has not been through that board since the thread began, to my knowledge. No action does not necessarily mean that posts are considered acceptable.
Namaste
gg
Posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 8:24:10
In reply to I don't know that any have been reviewed, posted by gardenergirl on April 21, 2007, at 8:14:50
So are you saying that a thread HAS to be reported by someone in order for a deputy or Dr. Bob to do anything about it?
I thought that was just only PART of the system. I believe most deputies have read the posts without it being reported, and nothing happened. So based on this, since you are the enforcers of babble , that it IS accepted here, because lack of any action seems to prove that to me.
Posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 8:41:21
In reply to dear, » Happyflower, posted by karen_kay on April 21, 2007, at 7:36:03
and one more thing, god forbid something should happen to my family. i'm not quite sure what you meant by that one or why it was worded the way it was. that one kinda stuck with me.Well the wording has to do with not getting blocked because as you can understand my posts are under radar now.
What I meant about the family thing is that most of us here, has had things happen to us, family, pets and otherwise. I don't know if you have or not but most of us who have seen abuse of animals or people would never joke about it especially on a mental health forum in which the majority of readers would be offended or bothered by it.
I know a lot of jokes that would offend a lot of surviors, but I wouldn't tell them for 1) I don't joke about abuse 2)I would be more selective of the jokes I would tell on Babble because of the sensitivity of many of the readers concerning those sensitive subjects, and
3) I don't believe those jokes don't belong on a mental health site.
Perhaps if it was a Jerry Springer site, there is no need to censor one's jokes, but on Babble I would like to see some sensitivity to what is allowed with or without a trigger.I have nothing against you, you are a wonderful girl, who is a lot of fun. I am just against the animal jokes you posted for the reason I have stated above.
For example if you had a friend who went through being raped. Would you tell her a joke of that nature? Do you think she would be sensitive to that even if you were just joking? If you went through a rape, would you be likely to tell a joke about it?
When I tell a joke, and I tell a lot of them, I consider how someone might preceive it. So anything "controversial" like animal cruelity, would not be in my "bag of jokes" I tell. There are a lot of "safe" jokes that can be told that is just as funny and less likely to hurt anyone.
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on April 21, 2007, at 8:43:36
In reply to Re: ((((((Happyflower)))))) » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 7:54:16
> > I'm so sorry about what has happened. I know there's nothing *I* can do to make things better for you.
>
> Actually *you* have helped by responding to me in support, thank you.
>
That's what babble's good for (sometimes-- except admin stuff. that is not guaranteed or designed to be supportive. unfortunately.)> > Will you stay, though? I like you lots and I would miss you so much if you left.
>
> I just don't know if I can stay in a place that allows animals abuse jokes. I speak out against it, and I become an *ss ,the problem, instead of what I am speaking out against in the first place. Kinda like the saying "don't kill the messenger".I think that you may be first to bring it up on this particular thread. the admin is off doing other stuff (IRL, i would assume). It's hard to get their attention these days. And forget about having a timely resolution to troubling issues. THAT has always been a major sticky place in babble. the endless diatribes about a grey area where everyone just mucks about in the dirt and everyone gets dirtier and messier and feels worse for having jumped in. Now that there IS less admin presence I think we have to be more patient and to use the little clicky box when something catches our eye that may contain uncivil content. That's the best and fastest way to get the attention.
> Yeah, but I am okay, in fact maybe staying here when I am fine, may be causing me more harm than what is good. Maybe I need to put my energies into some real causes in the real world, where my efforts would be appreciated. Maybe staying here, keeps me stuck, because I am unable to really help anyone or to help make this site better because the threat of change(even for the better), creates too much resistance. Well it is becoming a waste of my time to persue. I care about babble very much, but I think I am not needed here. I think "I" don't need babble much anymore.
I'm glad that you don't NEED babble, but it's okay just to stop by and say hi every now and then. Kind of like friends, you know. You dont' NEED them (except rarely), BUT it's always nice to know that you can come here and find some. If babble is troubling, just hang out on my threads, or start your own. I try to keep my threads clean of incivilities. I try to stay safe myself.
Part of staying safe is knowing when you've had enough of something. Your messages sound like you've had enough of this issue, and perhaps of babble alltogether. It's okay to take some time off. I'll be here when you want to come back. :)
> In real life the jokes we tell others, are a representive of who we are, and what we believe.
> We may think it is harmless, but it will make an impact on what others think of us.
>
> For example telling racist jokes may seem harmless. But it in reality helps keep racism alive by making it "okay" to put ourselves above a certain race.
>
> Telling animal cruelity jokes allows those who do abuse animals (which is a higher number than one might think) to continue to do so, because it is "funny" or accepted.
> Do we want Babble to represent this? That is all I ask.
> Sorry for the long post, but it is one of the many things I am passionate about.
> Peace to all, animals too.
>
> Happyflower
>I'm glad you're passionate about animal cruelty. That seems like a healthy thing to be passionate about. I've adopted two formerly homeless kitties myself, and they have given me lots of love. One of them was in the shelter for 2 months. If not for animal rescue charities the city pound would have ... and that makes me cry because kitty is an absolute darling.
You may not get exactly what you're hoping for (which is a rule change? the rule would be something like "do not refer lightly to animal cruelty?") immediately, but I'm glad that you've brought this to everyone's attention. There are plenty of jokes in the world to tell. just say LlurpsieNoodle. That's a big joke. My joke.
Take care, and do grace us with your passion and smarts and caring when/if you figure out how to make babble feel like a good part of your life again.
best to you friend,
-Ll
Posted by Happyflower on April 21, 2007, at 9:19:16
In reply to Re: ((((((Happyflower)))))) » Happyflower, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on April 21, 2007, at 8:43:36
Hi Lurpsie,
Thank you so much! ;-) I do need friends, I think everyone needs friend and loved ones, it is what makes life worth living. I guess I am at a point in my life that I am getting other support other than Babble. Now babble is great to have it is the only support you have in life, but I am finding out that friends that are more tangible, ones you can physically see and touch, are more benificial. For one I don't do see you just as a babble friend, I see you as more than that.
There is much research done on the "happiness" and being "satified" in life with so much text messageing, chat,(electronic media), compaired to face to face interaction. They have found in many studies that lack of face to face interaction even with friends we did not meet online, is less satisfying and is leading to a lot of unmet personal needs.
Babble has it's place, but we need more than that I believe.
I guess I am becoming quite the activist in issues that are dear to me, like fighting against abuse of all living things actually. Racism, unequality , etc. too many to list. But I have to be careful I guess because some don't welcome change, look what happened to Jessie Jackson?
Maybe Babble isn't ready for change and me trying to help, is only causing resistance, and bad feelings against me for trying to help. Maybe I need to put my energies into other organizations where I feel I can make a difference.
I will probably not leave babble ,but I think I will limit how much time I spend on the site, at least I don't plan on leaving the friends who I talk to through emails who I have met (like you) But I am sorry you are moving, I hope it isnt' too far from me, because I would like to have another almond pastery and 1/2 order of eggs benedict before you go. :-) Actually after finals I plan on being "in town" with my kids for fun, so maybe we can hook up? They want to go to the "astronomy place" and watch those cool 3D movies that are educational but fun. LOL
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