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Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:12:20
In reply to No (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 19:22:30
I have great difficulty with the concept that people whos political leanings are pro-war also have feelings that are easily hurt with mere words.
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Toph on November 8, 2004, at 20:14:09
In reply to Re: I am who I am. » Toph, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 19:51:27
No need to apologize, the brother reference was sort of a message that you be less concerned about something you obviously care a great deal about. I remember a few times you have expressed some concern for Bob when he is under a barrage from disgruntled Babblers. He never seems to share much. I appreciate that you have.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 20:14:26
In reply to Re: No, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:12:20
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 20:15:48
In reply to Re: I See (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 20:14:26
Do Sad Panda's words clarify anything for anyone?
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 20:35:46
In reply to Do others now see?, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 20:15:48
Dinah,
I have utmost respect for you. I wish that the political statements didnt cause you pain.
Pauls statement does resonate with me though.
I am angry afraid and in shock over the election.I can't remember any other terrible thing in my lifetime which will have such longterm and far reaching catastrophic effects on the entire world.
While I wish you werent hurt over our expressions of our anger, I do feel that I HAVE to express my feelings as uncomfortable as that may be for some.
all the Best
Yoshimi
Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:45:17
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 20:35:46
I understand your feelings. I hope you're able to understand mine. I am appalled at what will likely happen in the next four years to our country.
Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:56:15
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:45:17
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:15:41
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 20:35:46
How can you have the utmost respect for me? Do you have the utmost respect for a war lover with no feelings to be hurt by mere words?
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:28:18
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:45:17
> I understand your feelings. I hope you're able to understand mine. I am appalled at what will likely happen in the next four years to our country.
>
>I, and about 5 billion others on the planet, are more appalled at what your country will do to other peoples countries during the next 4 years.
Bring back Bill Clinton! :)
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:30:51
In reply to Re: I See (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 20:14:26
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:36:19
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:45:17
I hope that I have never conveyed that I do not understand how those who feel as many people on this site feel. I do.
But unless you feel that those who made a different choice in the voting booth were being disrespectful to you, objectifying you, leaping to unpleasant conclusions about who you were and what you believe, not to mention your worth as a human being and entitlement to basic human courtesy, then I don't think we're talking about the same thing at all.
If you do think that those who made a different choice in the voting booth were thinking those things, I can assure you that in my case it isn't true at all. I didn't make any assumptions about those who voted differently from me other than that they had a different idea about what was best for the country as a whole.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:37:49
In reply to What do you see? (nm) » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:30:51
And 51% of American voters.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:58:14
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:36:19
>
> If you do think that those who made a different choice in the voting booth were thinking those things, I can assure you that in my case it isn't true at all.
>
>I'd really like to know what you were thinking about then. If it wasn't a pro-war feeling, then what was it? Was it the morals thing, ie, being anti-homosexual, or was it the tax cuts for the richest individuals & corportaions that really grabbed your vote?
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 21:59:06
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:15:41
Dinah
I respect you because I know that you have a good heart. I respect you because I respect many of your actions. I see you talk about where you are helping people and taking care of people and doing things that gain my respect. Lots of reasons.
I do not think of you as a war lover. I feel that maybe you are feeling that the feeligns i have towards our present administration are directed at you. THey are not. I am disappointed that so many people voted for Bush.
And I am very afraid for what will happen.I feel a lot of very strong feelings about this election. They feelings dont have anything to do with you. I know that many moderates voted for Bush. I dont hate them or feel anything towards them really except disappointment at this ONE
choice they made.Dinah you are a wonderful person. Im mostly a lurker nowadays, but i read a lot and I have read and posted here for years. I KNOW you aer a wonderful person. And Yes i do respect you.
Yoshimi
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:01:37
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:58:14
on that Diebold (*funny name eh?) machine:
"tap tap hello...Is this thing really on?"
Posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
In reply to Re: No, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:12:20
...to attach our government's policies to any individual voter. I do not assume that supporters of President Bush are war lovers, and I certainly don't claim to be standing on higher moral ground on account of my anti-war sentiments. If anything I'm offended by what I perceive to be the sanctimony of the Christian Right - the inference that supporters of George Bush are more moral, or that their values are truer. It would be pretty hypocritical for me to make the same claims for myself.
Dinah's right - in the end we all vote based on what we think is best for our country - sadly, I just think there is such a huge divide between the conclusions drawn by those who voted for Mr. Bush and those who voted for Mr. Kerry.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:06:10
In reply to I see what you think of me. » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:37:49
> And 51% of American voters.
>It's not that I don't like you, it's just that I feel you are being misled. Hilter was extremely popular in Germany before WW2, but I am sure that the majority of Germans would not have voted for him had they known what he ended up doing. It was the middle class that got him elected too.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:12:33
In reply to - what i was thinking when i voted » Sad Panda, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:01:37
> on that Diebold (*funny name eh?) machine:
>
> "tap tap hello...Is this thing really on?"
>LOL! :)
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:17:15
In reply to It's a huge mistake... » Sad Panda, posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
> ...to attach our government's policies to any individual voter. I do not assume that supporters of President Bush are war lovers, and I certainly don't claim to be standing on higher moral ground on account of my anti-war sentiments. If anything I'm offended by what I perceive to be the sanctimony of the Christian Right - the inference that supporters of George Bush are more moral, or that their values are truer. It would be pretty hypocritical for me to make the same claims for myself.
>
> Dinah's right - in the end we all vote based on what we think is best for our country - sadly, I just think there is such a huge divide between the conclusions drawn by those who voted for Mr. Bush and those who voted for Mr. Kerry.
>
>I know what you are saying, but it's been more than 3 years since 9/11 & Bush voters still don't understand why 9/11 happened.
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:27:56
In reply to It's a huge mistake... » Sad Panda, posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
All I'm asking is to not be vilified. I appreciate that. I know how strongly you feel about the election.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:29:46
In reply to please come back, Dinah! :) » Dinah, posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 12:43:55
I just realized I had somehow not posted how much I appreciate your words.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:58:14
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:43:11
In reply to And have I stopped beating my wife? (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
You give a very good impression of talking down to me. I don't think you are a husband/wife beater, but I might be concerned for her well being if he/she was in possession of some crude oil.
Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 22:47:50
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:36:19
I didn't make any assumptions about those who voted differently from me other than that they had a different idea about what was best for the country as a whole.
~~Neither did I. Somehow I think you're trying to put words in my mouth, thoughts that I don't think. I'm sad for that.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:47
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:43:11
You gave me a Hobson's choice list of reasons for voting for a candidate. My answer was merely offering you another. Why would you think that meant I was talking down to you? Did you expect me to say that I was pro war, antihomosexual, or in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?
Those are hardly questions one would expect as prelude to an open and respectful dialog about ideas. Nor are references to Hitler or harming a spouse for oil.
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