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Posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 2:55:47
In reply to Re: We've got a guy here... » krazy kat , posted by wendy b. on July 22, 2002, at 23:07:18
...with many talents. I think the ability to overcome OCD, bipolar disorder, depression, hearing music continuously, & atrocious spelling, & many other disorders is remarkable for any person to surmount. Credit needs to be given where credit's due. I feel that we should be more supportive of any person that can do so very much despite the odds against them.
After all, setting a number of world records in sales (despite being a rookie), teaching math, getting two master’s degrees, helping people free themselves from benzodiazepine addiction and rare adverse reactions to psychotropic drugs, becoming a millionaire, doing four years intensive research into musical hallulinations, studying the epidemiology of psychotropic drugs, because “insurance, drugs, & death” was his business, & even time travel (…when I was on the Road, I was transported into the future to The Kingdom of God - http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020616/msgs/25723.html ) are all very remarkable accomplishments, especially time travel.
And don't forget having the know-how to be very successful financially without letting it ruin your spirituality. After all, owning a number of mansions, living in one & renting the others out to people who need them show how altrusitic he is despite his millions.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6566.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6559.htmlAnd all this, despite tragedies in his family past - his father & two brothers dying from taking neuroleptic drugs, & another brother a helpless invalid from them, having his fiancée leave him because she thought him unbalanced, & then losing a wife to adultery.
If such a person can accomplish so much, surely we can too! A life of joy & bliss, free from guilt, stress , or worry, unshackled from drugs! All that’s necessary is to follow him through a number of gates. And it shouldn’t be difficult. After all, he has assured us that it will be a fairly straightforward explanation & won’t take long to explain:
“What I have to say takes 7 sessions,each of about 3 paragraphs, and it will guide you to a road that will lead you out of the shackles of your drugs and free you to live an exstatic life.” Lou, on January 29, in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020124/msgs/92033.html
Now there may be a bit of confusion involved about religious writings & whether it would be a good idea to read the Bible or not, but that probably doesn't matter:
“…and I had never read a bible.I know nothing of the new testament for I am jewish.” Lou, on May 22 in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020517/msgs/24328.html
“Now after I was in the City of Peace, I read the Bible about the jesus person in it. I remeber didtinctly that he did preach to people. Also,you say that he went easy. Not from what I remember in my reading of the bible.” Lou, on May 26 in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020510/msgs/5319.html
And it doesn't matter what religious denomination you are or aren't. In fact, you can belong to one religion & then retract your statement. “I am jewish and we read the Torah” Lou, on Feb 15, in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020214/msgs/18304.html
It’s possible that we may even get to stay at the same ancient castle where he did too, & see the names of famous people inscribed on the stone walls who had stayed there, people like “Winston Churchill, Vincent van Gogh, Michelangelo, William Shakespear, Judy Garland, Louis Armstrong, Abraham Lincoln, Charles Parker, Virginaia Woolf, Irving Berlin, Natalie Wood, Leo Tolstoy, Albert Einstien, F. Scott Fitzgearald, Elvis Pressley, Grace Kelly, Jimmy Piersall, Truman Capote, Liberace, M.L.King, Issac Newton, Jon Belushi and many more.” Lou, on March 4 in
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020223/msgs/19239.htmlPerhaps we'll meet an historic figure like Robert E. Lee, or see inanimate objects come to life.
“I went to the park and sat down on a bench by the statue of the man on the horse. The horse and it's Rider came alive.” Lou, on March 19 in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020314/msgs/20238.htmlSuch a rich & varied life! Who wouldn’t want to listen to the sage counsel of someone seeking to share their experiences with us?
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 23, 2002, at 7:53:57
In reply to Re: We've got a guy here... » wendy b., posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 2:55:47
IsoM,
Thank you for the synopsis since January. It was my original intention to post The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life in short time. However, when I started to post, I was sidetracked by numeous posters into collatteral issues that demanded my attention to answer. This kept me away from the Gates, but I could not do both at the same time. In fact, I remember answering some posts from yourself. Then the blocking came. I have been blocked 4 times for 11 weeks and each time that I returned, I felt that I had to start over. Then came the hostility and I had to devote much time to defend myself. Then there are the rules of the board which restricts speech . Now I believe in abiding by admin. rules and I will do so. But, as Dinah has posted, this may not be the place for me to continue, for this board may not permit me to post the 6th and 7th Gates because they could be in breach of this board's rules. This is not to say that this board's rules should not exist, but it only means that I may have to go someware else to complete the Gates.
Lou
Posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 8:02:00
In reply to Re: We've got a guy here... » wendy b., posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 2:55:47
I have been slain. HRMTQ beardy has been slain. Long live HRMTQ Iso and HRMTQ runner-up (in case HRMTQ can't fulfill her duties) Wendy.
I bow to your royal highness-ness (highness-nesses, actually).
beardy : )>
Posted by Dinah on July 23, 2002, at 8:12:45
In reply to The queen is dead. Long live the queen! » IsoM, posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 8:02:00
I guess we all have different opinions as to what is worthy of admiration.
Posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 8:35:10
In reply to Re: The queen is dead. Long live the queen! » beardedlady, posted by Dinah on July 23, 2002, at 8:12:45
> I guess we all have different opinions as to what is worthy of admiration.
I think this is kind of smug. I got a good cackle out of their posts! And now stand above me with some sort of pedagogical admonishment.
Yes, we do all have different opinions. But your wording seems to suggest that you have a better idea of what's "worthy" than I.
beardy
Posted by Dinah on July 23, 2002, at 8:42:37
In reply to Re: The queen is dead. Long live the queen! » Dinah, posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 8:35:10
Posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 9:51:53
In reply to Re: We've got a guy here... » wendy b., posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 2:55:47
that post. That post you put together took a lot of time. Since I'm relatively new here, I don't know all the happenings since January. I went back into some of the archives to better understand Lou when I was conversing with him, but didn't get anywhere worth while. I really, honestly, appreciate being sort of "up-to-date" on the issues at hand here. Your post was valuable to me, is what I guess I'm trying to say. (?)
P.S. Anyhow, I forgive Lou. If Kiddo "needed" forgiveness, then I need to forgive Lou.
Posted by Mashogr8 on July 23, 2002, at 10:45:49
In reply to I really, truly, appreciate... » IsoM, posted by SandraDee on July 23, 2002, at 9:51:53
I second that message which appears to be just above. I've been trying to figure the whole trail out and just got more and more frustrated. Thank you.
But now I'm not sure whether your comments were real or tongue in cheek? Sorry, I cant see the name of the poster who went to all the trouble of writing the Cliff Notes of posts.
This whole thread however, except for one or two posts, seems to belong on the faith board. Or, have I been misinterpreting things again?
MA
Posted by judy1 on July 23, 2002, at 10:57:38
In reply to Re: We've got a guy here... » wendy b., posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 2:55:47
for seeing what all this is. I've been very ill at times myself. Take care of yourself- judy
Posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 11:34:29
In reply to Bless you Judy » IsoM, posted by judy1 on July 23, 2002, at 10:57:38
Bob prefers that we be supportive. He also has stated that he'd like it if we could post links to any posts that we mention of others. So this is what I've tried to do. My previous post was the best possible way I could think to bring everything together with links & quotes and still make it supportive.
I don't want the title of 'queen' passed to me (thanks beardy). Crowns sit uneasily on my head, mess up my hair, & require that I keep my head straight & level so it won't fall off. What's more like me is the queen of klutzy. I just wanted all this brought together in one place, in as civil and as encouraging a tone as possible. Each person can decide what they think of it themselves.
There's been many new posters that haven't really understood what's been happening before or what's been said. Lou does have a tendency for multiple postings in one thread that can be difficult for others to follow. If everything is brought together, then those who've been away (or too ill to read regularly) plus new posters can get a fairly good idea of where the threads have been leading. I think I did it so each link will lead to a separate thread discussing Lou's experiences & other's questions. That way, if someone desires, they can explore the threads even more.
The more information (not accusations) that's gathered in one place - in one thread - the easier it will be for people to decide whether to continue exploring that theme & whether they wish to continue asking further questions. But all this may be moot, for Lou has said "...this board may not permit me to post the 6th and 7th Gates because they could be in breach of this board's rules. This is not to say that this board's rules should not exist, but it only means that I may have to go someware else to complete the Gates." http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6584.html
Posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 13:17:26
In reply to Reason for posting my synopsis on Lou's posts » judy1, posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 11:34:29
Sorry, but the crown is in the mail. I'll Fedex you some bobby pins.
beardy : )>
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2002, at 13:33:51
In reply to Re: We've got a guy here... » wendy b., posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 2:55:47
> If there is a post that a number of posters feel is beyond the line, and he does not feel that the post is beyond the line, he should explain his reasoning, just as he explains the reasoning when he gives a please be civil.
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> DinahI think that makes sense. Sorry if I haven't been doing that.
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> why mansions, lou? just curious. wouldn't it help people more to live simply and donate your money and time to altrusitic charities? this is a straightforward question, not meant to be critical at all.
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> krazy katSorry, but it strikes me as critical even if you didn't intend it to be. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, thanks.
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> So Lou thinks he is God.
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> Wendy B.In addition to the above, please don't jump to conclusions about others.
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> We've got a guy here...
> ...with many talents. I think the ability to overcome OCD, bipolar disorder, depression, hearing music continuously, & atrocious spelling, & many other disorders is remarkable for any person to surmount. Credit needs to be given where credit's due. I feel that we should be more supportive of any person that can do so very much despite the odds against them...
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> IsoMIn addition to the above, please don't be sarcastic.
Bob
Posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 13:47:33
In reply to Re: please be civil » krazy kat, Wendy B., IsoM, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2002, at 13:33:51
Bob, are you saying that a person with emotional & mental disorders can't overcome the odds against them & achieve much? I didn't think I was being sarcastic but felt the need to give someone credit where due. There have been many people who had disabilities that have achieved great things throughout history. Many others with disabilities & disorders may not have achieved great things according to worldy standards, but still have done much in their own humble way to improve the life of others.
Perhaps Lou has done none of what he's said, but perhaps he has. Who's to say? We can't very well run a background check on everything someone posts here but need to reasonably decide whether there's validity in their statements. Perhaps the best thing is to take their word for it unless we feel there's reasons not to believe what they say. Reading their posts may give as some idea of what to believe or not. How else can someone decide without being informed?
Lou, himself, thanked me for bringing his experiences up-to-date. It seems that some others have appreciated it too. Lou's stated that he suffers (or has suffered in the past) from these disorders, & he seems to have accomplished much, despite them (except for his bad spelling but that's no indicator of intelligence anyway).
I'd suggest that it's good to view others comments just as they are without ascribing different motives to them such as sarcasm.
Posted by IsoM on July 23, 2002, at 13:54:02
In reply to too late. » IsoM, posted by beardedlady on July 23, 2002, at 13:17:26
Well, okay. Just be sure it's made of aluminum - that's a light metal. Any more & I'd get a headache. And maybe staples instead of bobby pins - that way it really won't fall off.
An old joke I remembered from a Broomhilda cartoon:
She says to Gaylord, her buzzard friend "I've been having these chest pains lately."
He asks, concerned "Have you seen the doctor about it? What did he say?"
She answers him "He told me I should stop stapling my bra on."It cracked me up so much as I'm not big up top at all & told my friends that would be the best way to get one to fit properly & stay on snuggly.
Posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 14:24:37
In reply to Re: please be civil » krazy kat, Wendy B., IsoM, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2002, at 13:33:51
"> why mansions, lou? just curious. wouldn't it help people more to live simply and donate your money and time to altrusitic charities? this is a straightforward question, not meant to be critical at all.
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> krazy katSorry, but it strikes me as critical even if you didn't intend it to be. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, thanks.
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Dr. Bob, I was asking Lou a question. All he had to do was answer me with how he WAS helping people and he did. I was not accusing him or putting him down at all - it was a straightforward question. I did not understand how living in a mansion could help his "cause" so to speak.
I'm sorry, Lou, if I offended you. I do understand your answer.
Posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 14:32:36
In reply to Re: please be civil » krazy kat, Wendy B., IsoM, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2002, at 13:33:51
> > So Lou thinks he is God.
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> > Wendy B.
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> In addition to the above, please don't jump to conclusions about others.Wendy, Wendy, Wendy -- we don't know what Lou thinks. Slap on Wendy's knucles...
> > We've got a guy here...
> > ...with many talents. I think the ability to overcome OCD, bipolar disorder, depression, hearing music continuously, & atrocious spelling, & many other disorders is remarkable for any person to surmount. Credit needs to be given where credit's due. I feel that we should be more supportive of any person that can do so very much despite the odds against them...
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> > IsoM
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> In addition to the above, please don't be sarcastic.
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> BobBoy, I didn't sense any sarcasm here at all. And it was SO helpful to have some of the posts together - I would ask Lou to do this except I think he prefers starting over (he stated something like that somewhere).
Posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 14:33:29
In reply to Re: The queen is dead. Long live the queen! » beardedlady, posted by Dinah on July 23, 2002, at 8:12:45
Posted by Phil on July 23, 2002, at 19:05:36
In reply to I do not think I was uncivil... » Dr. Bob, posted by krazy kat on July 23, 2002, at 14:24:37
Say, if we were at a party and I worked into the conversation about living in a mansion and helping the poor, I would "expect' that question from someone. It's legitimate.
Posted by oracle on July 23, 2002, at 22:26:28
In reply to Re: I do not think I was uncivil...you weren't » krazy kat , posted by Phil on July 23, 2002, at 19:05:36
At what point can someone make so many claims
that it is reasonable to conclude a person
is spinning tall tails (of course because of an illness)
and post about this in a civil way ?Reading some of Lou's posts last night caused
me to see think differently. ISO's recap post
made it clear. An issue I had not considered
was made clear which changes my feelings toward Lou
to consern, not dislike.In general, I avoid supporting delusional thinking in others.
It is not helpful to have a ill persons disorganized thinking
supported by others. Is giving this person a board to themselves a good idea;
will this help them get better by providing an audience (to support their delusions)?
Posted by judy1 on July 23, 2002, at 22:59:52
In reply to Dr Bob, question, posted by oracle on July 23, 2002, at 22:26:28
and I started a thread about my own symptoms on PPB and invite you to ask questions. Take care, judy
Posted by oracle on July 24, 2002, at 12:40:48
In reply to I was happy to see your concern » oracle, posted by judy1 on July 23, 2002, at 22:59:52
Where is the thread, I will find this intresting.
However, you have always been forthcoming so
I would not feel uncomfortable asking you things.
I was asking more about those how do not say they
have a problem and continue to post untruths. What do we do them ?
Posted by judy1 on July 24, 2002, at 19:01:34
In reply to Re: I was happy to see your concern » oracle, posted by oracle on July 24, 2002, at 12:40:48
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20020702/msgs/702.html
Please ask anything you want- judy
Posted by oracle on July 26, 2002, at 11:16:38
In reply to Dr Bob, question, posted by oracle on July 23, 2002, at 22:26:28
Given the large numbers of blocks as on late I would appreciate that you answer this question.
I am seeking guidance, and am not posting (as to not stir things up) on this issue till you answer this question:At what point can someone make so many claims
that it is reasonable to conclude a person
is spinning tall tails (of course because of an illness) and post about this in a civil way ?
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 27, 2002, at 5:37:51
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, question ATTENTION, posted by oracle on July 26, 2002, at 11:16:38
> I am seeking guidance, and am not posting (as to not stir things up) on this issue till you answer this question:
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> At what point can someone make so many claims
> that it is reasonable to conclude a person
> is spinning tall tails (of course because of an illness) and post about this in a civil way ?I think not posting so as not to stir things up is a good idea. Didn't I reply to something like this already? Please try to take into account how the other person might react. I do think not posting so as not to stir things up is a good idea...
Bob
Posted by oracle on July 27, 2002, at 16:53:12
In reply to Re: not posting, posted by Dr. Bob on July 27, 2002, at 5:37:51
I think not posting so as not to stir things up is a good idea. Didn't I reply to something like this already? Please try to take into account how the other person might react. I do think not posting so as not to stir things up is a good idea...
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> BobI think Lou is delusional. This became clear from ISO's post that pulled all his claims together. I think we need to concentrate on asking him ONLY about his mental health and not engage in the hate, arguing, ect. Pointing out the untruths in his posts does no good. He is also ill so I do not see the point in trying to debate with him.
I think we are allowing an ill person upset us because we assume he is not ill; that his arguments come from a mind not based in reality.
I also allowed myself to think "he is doing this
on purpose" when he was really just manifesting
his illness.I missed this for a long time because I only read Lou's posts here and there. I am mad at myself for not understanding all of this sooner. I allowed one of my trigger issues, religion, to take over. Once I read ISO's post I had an 180 degree shift in my feeling towards Lou, from anger to consern.
I think if we concentrate on reserving our questions and responses to Lou about his health
this issue will resolve itself. At the same time we cannot expect Lou to answer or show us that he is making progress toward health. The hard part about mental illness is that some times nothing we do can help. So it in not fair to get angry
if people do not get better (or try to get better).If some do want to discuss Lou's writings let them them do this on "faith" and leave them alone.
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