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Posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2016, at 9:15:29
sarcosine and nac together ?
any taughts i want to try this option
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 13:32:52
In reply to anyone profrontal? http://profrontal.com/ sarcosin, posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2016, at 9:15:29
I would say no..
Just because they don't readly cross the BBB, and you know... I don't want you to get tricked on your money when the thing you want is something that modulates nmda, then there is other options that really works and is cheaper.
Posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2016, at 13:45:36
In reply to Re: anyone profrontal? http://profrontal.com/ sarcosin, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 13:32:52
i heared good things about it ... : (
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 16, 2016, at 14:21:56
In reply to Re: anyone profrontal? http://profrontal.com/ sarcosin, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 13:32:52
Sarcosine gave me a mild improvement, but also Akathisia so i stopped.
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:03:57
In reply to i heared good things about it ... : (, posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2016, at 13:45:36
Please, just take my words as advises, not absolute answers..
I have bad experience with that sort of products and think that it's for the best to go direct to the source, cause it will get cheaper.
Buy some sarcosine and some NAC, and mix it up yourself. It will be the same thing :-)
(I blame this behavior on my communist dad who never wanted me to buy stuff from big companies ;) )
Posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2016, at 17:20:49
In reply to Re: anyone profrontal? http://profrontal.com/ sarcosin, posted by Lamdage22 on July 16, 2016, at 14:21:56
i suffer from severe neg symptoms and depression
i want a replacement for that nasty seroquel XR that's affecting my hearta mild improvement might be what i just need.
Posted by MuseMemento on July 16, 2016, at 23:16:51
In reply to i suffer from severe neg symptoms and depression, posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2016, at 17:20:49
Checkout information at examine.com They review herbal and natural supplements. What they have to say about both NAC and Sarcosine sound really positive. I've tried them both but only briefly. I really need to be more diligent in taking them to be able to say.
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 4:51:16
In reply to i suffer from severe neg symptoms and depression, posted by Jeroen on July 16, 2016, at 17:20:49
Can't you talk to your doctor about it instead of buying supplements?
I just want the best for you and if you have crippling negative symptoms, supplements won't be enough i think, and maybe you will get frustrated and all that..
There are medicines out there to make negative symptoms better, and i think there is mild alternatives to :-)
It's a good thing though that you want to do something about your situation, and if you don't like seroquel (understandable), can't you and your pdoc change it?
Posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 5:34:17
In reply to Re: i suffer from severe neg symptoms and depression, posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 4:51:16
there are no treatments for neg symptoms!!!!!!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 6:16:22
In reply to there are no treatments for neg symptoms!!!!!!!, posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 5:34:17
Yes there are as depression and "negative symptoms" are basically the same thing-
Posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 6:37:28
In reply to Re: there are no treatments for neg symptoms!!!!!!!, posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 6:16:22
SSRI don't treat negative symp of schizo
and they are for "depression"
Posted by SLS on July 17, 2016, at 6:42:27
In reply to Re: i suffer from severe neg symptoms and depression » Jeroen, posted by MuseMemento on July 16, 2016, at 23:16:51
> Checkout information at examine.com They review herbal and natural supplements. What they have to say about both NAC and Sarcosine sound really positive. I've tried them both but only briefly. I really need to be more diligent in taking them to be able to say.
I don't know about schizophrenia, but in depression, NAC can take months to work. I imagine it is worth a try.
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 7:22:42
In reply to Re: i suffer from severe neg symptoms and depression » MuseMemento, posted by SLS on July 17, 2016, at 6:42:27
Sarcosine works fast, cuz i tried Glycine itself
Posted by SLS on July 17, 2016, at 7:24:20
In reply to SSRI don't treat negative symp of schizo, posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 6:37:28
> SSRI don't treat negative symp of schizo
> and they are for "depression"Have you tried sulpiride (Dogmatil) or amisulpride (Solian)?
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 7:27:01
In reply to Re: SSRI don't treat negative symp of schizo » Jeroen, posted by SLS on July 17, 2016, at 7:24:20
Solian gave me worse side effects imaginable
Dogmatil worked somewhat in low doses, in high doses it gave me pannick attacksfuilty s*** meds
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:28:32
In reply to both yes, posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 7:27:01
It is worth to try Antidepressants
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:35:30
In reply to Re: both yes, posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:28:32
Im not sure what makes you say "negative symptoms" other than the fact that you once had psychosis or that you are being treated for psychosis.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:35:56
In reply to Re: both yes, posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:35:30
I think the term "negative symptoms" is misleading.
Posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 7:36:17
In reply to Re: both yes, posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:28:32
not when you have lamictal induced psychosis mania
it's confirmed i have this, if i take anti depressant it wont mix with the brain damage i received by psychiatry
Lou come into this conversation please
Posted by linkadge on July 17, 2016, at 7:37:19
In reply to both yes, posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 7:27:01
Depression and negative symptoms are not the exact same thing. Depression can be considered a negative symptom, but other negative symptoms (i.e. cognitive difficulty) may not be the result of depression and may not resolve with treatment for depression.
Stimulants, may improve attention, but could worsen the underlying disorder. However, I remember reading that coffee drinking schizophrenics fared better on some tests of negative symptoms.
I agree with SLS that some alternatives could be worth a try - I understand the omega-3 EPA, has some research behind it.
Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:44:54
In reply to Re: both yes, posted by linkadge on July 17, 2016, at 7:37:19
> Depression and negative symptoms are not the exact same thing. Depression can be considered a negative symptom, but other negative symptoms (i.e. cognitive difficulty) may not be the result of depression and may not resolve with treatment for depression.
MAY. Depression is depression.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:47:45
In reply to Re: both yes, posted by Lamdage22 on July 17, 2016, at 7:44:54
Depression may also not be resolved by Antidepressants.. so...
im not sure what you are trying to imply.
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 14:30:14
In reply to not when you have lamictal induced psychosis mania, posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 7:36:17
We believe you jeroen.. We do not need lou to say that mr hisuing is preventing him from sending out his message about death and antisemitism to believe you more! :-)
have you tried vraylar or rexulti?
or else i think you could try sarcosine and NAC.
But why not try memantine, that is a medication to prevent and reduce cognitive problems caused by schizophrenia/dementia or as i think to, Negative symptoms that are a result of AP-medications.
It basically has no harmful side effects on the younger population, so why not give it a try.
I have negative symptoms to and have been treated very bad from the psychiatry for many years and i feel much difference in my cognition and thinking on memantine. :-)
I think we just want to help you!
And thanks for the magix tip, i use it right now!
Posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 14:59:11
In reply to Re: not when you have lamictal induced psychosis mania, posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 14:30:14
profrontal sais in cheaper sarcosine substances there is an acid in it that can make it neurotoxic or something, so their's is expensive but should be safe
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 15:29:50
In reply to johned, posted by Jeroen on July 17, 2016, at 14:59:11
Can i ask you something jeroen?
If you start taking sarcosine, do you want to make a journal then so we can follow the progress?
Cause honest, i have read a lot about it after you came with the idea and it sound good.
But i already take a nmda-antagonist so if i try it, the conclusion would not be the same as if you did.I think you would be great at writing a journal, and i believe that journals help people to decide between different options in a good way cause you get the whole sequence of events, instead of just one "It worked for me" or "it did poop out".
It's good to, but you know what i mean! :-)
nmda rules, so i think it's worth a try and especially if it's not neurotoxic!
Kind regards to you jeroen!
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