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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Tabitha on April 19, 2016, at 14:37:08
In reply to Re: Helping those with mental health conditions, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 0:52:57
> You guys are making it more and more obvious that you 100% deserve the stigma that you experience by closing off any suggestion that there's a world of help beyond more pills. You're being just as closed minded as someone who says it's all in your head, pills don't work, that you just need willpower. The next time you experience any negativity because of the stigma exists, remember this, please. The irony blows my mind.
I'm open to any suggestion, but once the suggestion has been made, I want to evaluate the evidence for it before trying it. Good evidence includes having a foundation in basic science followed by controlled experiments on humans with good quality studies (large sample size, randomization, double-blinding, peer-review of the results) and subsequent FDA approval (demonstrating safety, efficacy, dosage, and continued monitoring for side effects in users after the approval process). This doesn't mean "pills only". Any treatment can be methodically tested and subject to peer review and FDA approval.
As I said, FDA approval is a low water mark for me, meaning that's the minimum level of evidence that makes something worth trying. I generally prefer to use things that have been FDA approved and also in use long enough for additional trials to replicate results and for long-term side effects to become known.
I don't think it makes sense to describe having such standards of evidence as being "closed minded". I think of it as making smart use of my limited time and money.
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 16:08:11
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Hello321, posted by Tabitha on April 19, 2016, at 14:37:08
I see. Well I hope I've helped at least one person by the suggestions I've made. And there are many other options out there as well. That if someone runs into a roadblock with medications, or they're just not up for trying another pill, they will consider other options they normally wouldn't have considered.
One thing I've noticed about myself. I've been sensitive to high pitched sounds sounds for a few months now, like squealing brakes or little kids screaming. After a high pitched sound would hit me, I'd feel listless afterwards. And during the time I did eat very few carbohydrates for about a month, I became noticeably less sensitive to high pitched sounds. At the time I didn't attribute it to the diet, and I'm still not sure. But ever since I started back on carbs, my sensitivity has slowly come back. I went mostly back to my normal diet because of something in my low carb diet causing me stomach cramps. But i just got back from Walmart with plenty of low carb, high fiber and moderate protein foods and I'm going to try eating low carb again. I'm thinking the bowl of heavy cream, Coconut and cocoa powder and stevia snack I had been eating regularly is likely the culprit, though. Lol. It was good though.
Posted by Tabitha on April 19, 2016, at 16:53:37
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Tabitha, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 16:08:11
> I'm thinking the bowl of heavy cream, Coconut and cocoa powder and stevia snack I had been eating regularly is likely the culprit, though. Lol. It was good though.
We agree on that-- it does sound good! Except I would use real sugar ;-)
Posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 18:14:59
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Tabitha, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 16:08:11
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/16/stevia-what-is-it_n_5983772.html
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 18:39:34
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Hello321, posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 18:14:59
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/16/stevia-what-is-it_n_5983772.html
Thanks. And yeah, Stevia isn't perfect. But I think it's a much better option than Splenda or Sweet N Low. And I get the liquid Stevia to avoid the carbs from dextrose that's added to powdered Stevia, though it is a small amount of carbs, i suppose it could add up. But I'm going to try cutting Stevia out this time, too. I got a theory that food should mainly used for its nutrients and not eaten for pleasure. And that if food weren't eaten for pleasure, the brain would be more reactive to pleasure in everyday life.
,Lol yeah I got a lot of theories
Posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 18:54:42
In reply to Re: Science. » Lamdage22, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 13:50:43
> > These books are a plague that seems to preferably hit America.
>
Americans have always believed in the power of positive thinking.> I want to know just why many people
> start thinking "crazy conspiracy theorist" every time something outside general public opinion is brought up? We call people "sheep" when they only buy into what the authorities tell them, unless we also buy into it.I don't think anti-grain diets are outside of public opinion these days, though they may be outside of actual public behavior. I know half-a-dozen people on paleo diets. Everyone is gluten free. Low carb diets - Atkins and South Beach are perennially popular. I've heard two interviews on NPR in the last two months about how we need to go back to the protein-fat-vege/fruit diet of our remote ancestors.
Part of the issue here with the emphasis on diet and exercise and whatever is that this is the standard response of people who know us, want us better and understand nothing about mental illness. Just get out of bed and you'll feel better. Go to the gym and you'll feel better. Come to a yoga class with me and you'll feel better. Jeez, why don't you just feel better? Snap out of it. Eat a healthier diet and you'll feel better.
Therapy is the only non-med treatment shown to work, though it works best with meds. But my therapist is a psychiatrist and he feels, though he believes strongly in therapy, that, when I am depressed, we can't really do therapy. All we do is work on stabilizing me.
Posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 19:14:25
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Hello321, posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 18:14:59
A follow on. I had severe knee pain, could barely walk. And got the same go around. Take naproxen, take ibuprofen, build up the muscles by lifting weights. Oh, just wait til the weather is warmer/colder/less humid/more humid, then you'll feel better. Lose weight, you'll feel better. I did all these things.
Finally went to a doctor who said I had no cartilage in my knee and needed a knee replacement. Boy, did medical intervention make me feel better!
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 19:51:49
In reply to Re: Science., posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 18:54:42
What I'm talking about is more than just the general idea of what makes up a healthy diet. It's basically about understanding and taking in the kind of nutrition the brains functions are believed to thrive off of, and cutting out anything that can be counterproductive to its healthy functioning. I think it's referred to as Functional Nutrition. As you mentioned, there is different thinking as to what the best diet is. And if the diet I've been describing isn't the overall best, I think it's the best for brain health.
Im trying to really put my mind to making a change for the better and really devoting myself to this diet. I know I personally need a major change for the better in how I function in daily life, and I'm hoping making major changes in the way I eat might just help me get where I want to be. I know the way I was eating didn't really do anything for me.
Posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 20:08:19
In reply to Re: being closed minded, posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 19:14:25
So many here have had either both knee replacement or one. And some hip replacements also. And now they can do what they did before. Arthritis bone without cartilage can't be cured or fixed with diet. So surgery needed. How's the pain now gone? Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 3:41:03
In reply to Re: Science. » Lamdage22, posted by J Kelly on April 19, 2016, at 13:25:39
i dont participate in this anymore
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 4:19:55
In reply to Re: being closed minded » baseball55, posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 20:08:19
You are saying that we deserve the stigma. Who the hell are you to decide that?
And all that just because you have read a book?
Posted by SLS on April 20, 2016, at 6:08:06
In reply to Re: Science., posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 18:54:42
> But my therapist is a psychiatrist and he feels, though he believes strongly in therapy, that, when I am depressed, we can't really do therapy. All we do is work on stabilizing me.
Yes. Exactly. This has been my experience as well. When I am at rock-bottom, I tell my therapist that he or she has only one job - keep me alive. When I feel better, I love to work on my issues - because I can. I have plenty of them. Reaching for a self-actualizing lifestyle is my long-term goal.
Talking about drugs all of the time does not blind me to the rest of the world of psychiatric therapeutics. It would be presumptuous, and an example of all-or-nothing thinking, for someone to describe me as being blind, especially when they haven't had the advantage of reading all of my posts through the years.
Overgeneralizing is often counterproductive and can set up for adversarial relationships.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 6:52:01
In reply to Re: Science., posted by SLS on April 20, 2016, at 6:08:06
> > But my therapist is a psychiatrist and he feels, though he believes strongly in therapy, that, when I am depressed, we can't really do therapy. All we do is work on stabilizing me.
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> Yes. Exactly. This has been my experience as well. When I am at rock-bottom, I tell my therapist that he or she has only one job - keep me alive. When I feel better, I love to work on my issues - because I can. I have plenty of them. Reaching for a self-actualizing lifestyle is my long-term goal.
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> Talking about drugs all of the time does not blind me to the rest of the world of psychiatric therapeutics. It would be presumptuous, and an example of all-or-nothing thinking, for someone to describe me as being blind, especially when they haven't had the advantage of reading all of my posts through the years.
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> Overgeneralizing is often counterproductive and can set up for adversarial relationships.
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> - ScottI wouldnt even defend myself. This is just hilarious.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 9:02:22
In reply to Lou is right, posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:36:34
> One thing Lou is 100% right about is that every time some starts taking a psychiatric pills, they're putting their life and the lives of others at risk.
Hello321 and friends,
Many of you already know that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and stop Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and all those members here in concert with them, from allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen here as civil and defamation against me also being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive.
You see, by the hatred toward the Jews and me being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive, it has been revealed to me that those that post such hate could be a powerful influence on vulnerable readers here to kill themselves and or others. Let me show you how this works.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 10:02:39
In reply to Lou's response to [ Lou is right]- » Hello321, posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 9:02:22
> > One thing Lou is 100% right about is that every time some starts taking a psychiatric pills, they're putting their life and the lives of others at risk.
>
> Hello321 and friends,
> Many of you already know that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and stop Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and all those members here in concert with them, from allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen here as civil and defamation against me also being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive.
> You see, by the hatred toward the Jews and me being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive, it has been revealed to me that those that post such hate could be a powerful influence on vulnerable readers here to kill themselves and or others. Let me show you how this works.
> Lou
>
Let us try to understand here that discrimination is an abuse of power. Mr. Hsiung uses discrimination in his TOS by denying me equal protection of his rules/policies by allowing defamation toward me and anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive while stating that the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me will not be allowed to be posted by me to be seen as supportive. This is the beginning of the hatred toward the Jews authorized by Mr. Hsiung himself as it is a powerful influence to vulnerable readers to see that a psychiatrist is discriminating in his rules that is against the Jew. Anti-Semitism means against the Jew and with that understanding, Mr. Hsiung's policy is an anti-Semitic policy.
With the foundation of anti-Semitism established by Mr. Hsiung in that post by him where he states that the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is uncivil, he then allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being civil. This reinforces to those in concert with Mr. Hsiung that those that post hatred toward me could be favored by him to be exempt from his enforcement policy that could stop the hate, but by him using discrimination in the threat to sanction me while allowing those posting hate to not be sanctioned, a false mind-set could be induced into minds here that Judaism is inferior to Christendom or that Judaism could bring harm to you. Since Mr. Hsiung asks you to trust him and that he will appreciate it if you do, then readers could be swayed to think that they could get Mr. Hsiung's admiration if they post defamation toward me and anti-Semitic propaganda.
Then Mr. Hsiung denies me equal protection of his notification policy and at the same time encourages others to not respond to me as by him not responding to my notifications, he creates a and develops hatred toward me by his example to others. To encourage others to not respond to someone creates a stigmatization of the target person and cause humiliation. Mr. Hsiung knows or should know that his allowing hatred toward me here to be seen as supportive, could cause great harm to me, but worse, could infect the minds of our young people to think that anti-Semitism and hatred is good for Mr. Hsiung's community as a whole in his thinking so it could be good for them also. Millions of Jewish children were murdered with that false mind-set induced into people by psychiatrists in the past.
Never again.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 11:09:14
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by SLS on April 18, 2016, at 6:11:52
> > Anyone else on here we should consider banning because their message goes against us in our search for more pills? I don't wanna eat better or do anything else that might make my life better, I want more pills! Something with a neat, scientific sounding name would be preferable. They say exercise could help improve mood, but the only way I'm doing that is if "science" could like, put exercise in a pill for me. And anyone who realizes their life was screwed by taking these pills, well, let's pretend their experience never happened because it might impede us on our search for more pills!
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> Did pills ever work for you? If not, have you ever entertained the notion that you don't have an illness that pills are designed to treat?
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> Mr. Pilder exaggerates and overgeneralizes and goes out of his way to scare people using misinformation and disinformation, as is often presented by book-writing, cherry-picking charlatans who refuse to use science as a method of helping people. Which antidepressants do you feel have never greatly improved someone's affective disorder? By the way, as much as eating better and exercising (anaerobic and aerobic) more has undoubtedly improved my overall health, they haven't improved in anyway my crippling bipolar depression. I suppose I should rail against Nautilus and Nordic Track as being hoaxes.
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> Pills work.
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> - ScottFriends,
Now let us see how Mr. Hsiung allows defamation against me here with impunity that could poison the minds of readers against me.
Here Scott writes that I exaggerate and overgeneralize and go out of my way to scare and use misinformation from other's books who Scott lables as charlatans and that I refuse to use science as a method of helping people.
This is defamation being allowed by Mr. Hsiung over and over that could influence readers to have hatred instilled in them toward me and decreases the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and creates hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me.
This is all against the rules of Mr. Hsiung which shows the abuse of power by him being used to foster hated toward me and stigmatize and humiliate me. But worse, you could discard what I write by thinking that Mr. Hsiung thinks it is good in the future for his community as a whole. That is the same ill-logic used to justify genocide, slavery, discrimination, segregation, infanticide and mass-murder. The tragedy here is that it is not only Scott being allowed to defame me, but others such as Larry Hoover and now Robert Burton and Zonked and others.
Thousands of people including children are killed by these drugs each month. That is not overgeneralizing or exaggerating, for other scientists that know a whole lot more than Scott, give a much greater number of deaths each month from these drugs.
The drugs being promoted here are not medicines for they do not treat a disease. They are chemicals used in insecticides and rat poison and are nerve agents. These chemicals act on the nerves that kill. In humans, if the drug doen't kill, the taker could be addicted and/or get a life-ruining condition. And there could be no return. These chemicals do not cure anything at all. They can cause disease, disability and death. They can be used in the commission of mass-murder.
I have come here to bring The Spirit of Truth to you. When you receive that Spirit, your mind will be opened to the truth and you will be made free from the chains of addiction and depression. And when you see The Abomination that makes desolate here, it has been revealed to me that you know that the Spirit of Truth is hovering over you. Mr. Hsiunf has posted the swastika and refuses to remove it. That abomination can be seen as being supportive by him.
Never again.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 13:21:58
In reply to Lou's response to [ Lou is right]- » Hello321, posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 9:02:22
Psychobabble has become a freakshow.
Posted by Tabitha on April 20, 2016, at 13:39:22
In reply to Lou's response-the poison of hate » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 11:09:14
> I have come here to bring The Spirit of Truth to you. When you receive that Spirit, your mind will be opened to the truth [...]It is interesting to see the phrase "The Spirit of Truth". I have been struggling with depression for probably 40 years now, and I have just recently realized that I repeatedly start feeling like I have discovered some great Truth. It's always a dark truth, something that makes all human society or human life itself seem fundamentally flawed and horrible. Signs of the dark truth are suddenly everywhere, such that I can't escape it. I am convinced that the Truth was always there but I was blind to it. I spend time going over my entire history, seeing evidence of the Truth all along. I re-write my personal history to include the Truth.
For a while the Truth is actually comforting, despite also being a horrible revelation. It just feels good to finally see the Truth. It is a feeling of power and discernment. It even feels sort of good to be alone with the Truth, because it makes me special and wiser than others. But, eventually I'm overtaken by such a horrible depression that I am driven to get my treatment back in order.
As the depression lifts, the Truth fades away. It just no longer seems true. I realize that my Truth was an interpretation of events, and there are many alternate interpretations. I'm usually embarrassed that I believed my Truth, and sorry if I spoke out of it or acted out of it. I'm also glad to be free of the Truth, since it was so dark and horrible.
Yet, when it begins, the sense that the Truth is *true* is so compelling that it fools me over and over.
I have decided to try very hard to see a growing sense of new Truth as a symptom of depression. It frightens me though, because it's so humbling to recognize that my Truth-detector is faulty, and that I'm susceptible to distorted beliefs. Also because I'm afraid I will fail, and be sucked into believing more distorted Truths.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 14:12:14
In reply to Lou's response-the poison of hate » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 11:09:14
Lou,
this discussion has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 14:14:00
In reply to Re: the spirit of Truth, posted by Tabitha on April 20, 2016, at 13:39:22
That is tough struggling for 40 years. I can identify with some of this.
> It is interesting to see the phrase "The Spirit of Truth". I have been struggling with depression for probably 40 years now, and I have just recently realized that I repeatedly start feeling like I have discovered some great Truth. It's always a dark truth, something that makes all human society or human life itself seem fundamentally flawed and horrible. Signs of the dark truth are suddenly everywhere, such that I can't escape it. I am convinced that the Truth was always there but I was blind to it. I spend time going over my entire history, seeing evidence of the Truth all along. I re-write my personal history to include the Truth.
>
> For a while the Truth is actually comforting, despite also being a horrible revelation. It just feels good to finally see the Truth. It is a feeling of power and discernment. It even feels sort of good to be alone with the Truth, because it makes me special and wiser than others. But, eventually I'm overtaken by such a horrible depression that I am driven to get my treatment back in order.
>
> As the depression lifts, the Truth fades away. It just no longer seems true. I realize that my Truth was an interpretation of events, and there are many alternate interpretations. I'm usually embarrassed that I believed my Truth, and sorry if I spoke out of it or acted out of it. I'm also glad to be free of the Truth, since it was so dark and horrible.
>
> Yet, when it begins, the sense that the Truth is *true* is so compelling that it fools me over and over.
>
> I have decided to try very hard to see a growing sense of new Truth as a symptom of depression. It frightens me though, because it's so humbling to recognize that my Truth-detector is faulty, and that I'm susceptible to distorted beliefs. Also because I'm afraid I will fail, and be sucked into believing more distorted Truths.
Posted by SLS on April 20, 2016, at 17:05:08
In reply to Re: the spirit of Truth, posted by Tabitha on April 20, 2016, at 13:39:22
> > I have come here to bring The Spirit of Truth to you. When you receive that Spirit, your mind will be opened to the truth [...]
> It is interesting to see the phrase "The Spirit of Truth". I have been struggling with depression for probably 40 years now, and I have just recently realized that I repeatedly start feeling like I have discovered some great Truth. It's always a dark truth, something that makes all human society or human life itself seem fundamentally flawed and horrible. Signs of the dark truth are suddenly everywhere, such that I can't escape it. I am convinced that the Truth was always there but I was blind to it. I spend time going over my entire history, seeing evidence of the Truth all along. I re-write my personal history to include the Truth.
>
> For a while the Truth is actually comforting, despite also being a horrible revelation. It just feels good to finally see the Truth. It is a feeling of power and discernment. It even feels sort of good to be alone with the Truth, because it makes me special and wiser than others. But, eventually I'm overtaken by such a horrible depression that I am driven to get my treatment back in order.
>
> As the depression lifts, the Truth fades away. It just no longer seems true. I realize that my Truth was an interpretation of events, and there are many alternate interpretations. I'm usually embarrassed that I believed my Truth, and sorry if I spoke out of it or acted out of it. I'm also glad to be free of the Truth, since it was so dark and horrible.
>
> Yet, when it begins, the sense that the Truth is *true* is so compelling that it fools me over and over.
>
> I have decided to try very hard to see a growing sense of new Truth as a symptom of depression. It frightens me though, because it's so humbling to recognize that my Truth-detector is faulty, and that I'm susceptible to distorted beliefs. Also because I'm afraid I will fail, and be sucked into believing more distorted Truths.I have never heard it put quite that way, but it is a great description of how depression truly becomes an altered state of consciousness. It changes the way you perceive the universe around you and corrupts the logic with which you use to come to conclusions.
In my belief system, the Truth is unknowable. It would be like claiming to know the mind of God - or, alternatively, being able to deduce the reason for all of existence. This perspective allows me to view my momentary conclusions as being the product of, or influenced by, my affective or cognitive states.
Depression is a liar. You know this from experience. Perhaps understanding this will reduce your tendency to listen to your depression when attempting to find Truth.
When did you last feel well - even if it was only briefly?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 20:14:37
In reply to Re: the spirit of Truth, posted by Tabitha on April 20, 2016, at 13:39:22
>
> > I have come here to bring The Spirit of Truth to you. When you receive that Spirit, your mind will be opened to the truth [...]
>
> It is interesting to see the phrase "The Spirit of Truth". I have been struggling with depression for probably 40 years now, and I have just recently realized that I repeatedly start feeling like I have discovered some great Truth. It's always a dark truth, something that makes all human society or human life itself seem fundamentally flawed and horrible. Signs of the dark truth are suddenly everywhere, such that I can't escape it. I am convinced that the Truth was always there but I was blind to it. I spend time going over my entire history, seeing evidence of the Truth all along. I re-write my personal history to include the Truth.
>
> For a while the Truth is actually comforting, despite also being a horrible revelation. It just feels good to finally see the Truth. It is a feeling of power and discernment. It even feels sort of good to be alone with the Truth, because it makes me special and wiser than others. But, eventually I'm overtaken by such a horrible depression that I am driven to get my treatment back in order.
>
> As the depression lifts, the Truth fades away. It just no longer seems true. I realize that my Truth was an interpretation of events, and there are many alternate interpretations. I'm usually embarrassed that I believed my Truth, and sorry if I spoke out of it or acted out of it. I'm also glad to be free of the Truth, since it was so dark and horrible.
>
> Yet, when it begins, the sense that the Truth is *true* is so compelling that it fools me over and over.
>
> I have decided to try very hard to see a growing sense of new Truth as a symptom of depression. It frightens me though, because it's so humbling to recognize that my Truth-detector is faulty, and that I'm susceptible to distorted beliefs. Also because I'm afraid I will fail, and be sucked into believing more distorted Truths.Tabitha,
The Spirit of Truth can come into you to dwell in your heart. This is a new Spirit outside of your natural reasoning that does not know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God. This Spirit enables you to overcome addiction and depression.
When the Spirit indwells you, the mysteries that are to those that have not had the Spirit come into their hearts are revealed to you.
And in the encounter with the Rider on the white horse, He said to me, "It is given to you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to those that reject the Spirit, it is not given. For the Word is a seed that falls on the hearts of men and if the heart is wicked, the seed can not grow, as they hear the Word and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of the world chokes the Word."
Lou
Posted by baseball55 on April 20, 2016, at 20:37:27
In reply to Re: being closed minded, posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 4:19:55
> You are saying that we deserve the stigma. Who the hell are you to decide that?
>
> And all that just because you have read a book?Huh? I'm saying we've heard it all before.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 20:46:39
In reply to Re: Lou's response-the poison of hate, posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 14:12:14
> Lou,
>
> this discussion has nothing to do with anti-semitism.Lamdage22,
The discussion can be controlled by Mr. Hsiung by him allowing members to post anti-Semitic propaganda with impunity. That allows Jews to be humiliated by Mr. Hsiung which could cause readers to have false feelings of superiority as Mr. Hsiung says that he leaves those to be seen as being supportive and that it will be good in his thinking for his community as a whole to do so.
This tragedy here guided by a psychiatrist into the minds of vulnerable readers could be transferred into downward backward thinking that could induce prejudice and hatred that could be turned inward that could cause depression and suicide and murder as hate groups have been studied extensively finding that drug use was among them. Those groups used Jews as scapegoats and commit violence and destruction against Jews that could come from sites like this as they can see that the psychiatrist here allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive, for support takes precedence according to him, which is a powerful influence even to educated people.
The humiliation of the Jews by allowing defamation toward me compounds the hate exponentially. This could seriously mislead readers to think that Jews are inferior people not worthy of the equal protection of the rules here. That is known as discrimination which is an abuse of power. I am trying to stop the abuse
because it could cause suicide, murder and depression and addiction and life-ruining conditions as readers are misled to think that hate is civil. It has been revealed to me that by Mr. Hsiung allowing the hate, that this site is poisoned.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 21, 2016, at 7:33:51
In reply to Lou's response-the poison of hate » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 11:09:14
> > > Anyone else on here we should consider banning because their message goes against us in our search for more pills? I don't wanna eat better or do anything else that might make my life better, I want more pills! Something with a neat, scientific sounding name would be preferable. They say exercise could help improve mood, but the only way I'm doing that is if "science" could like, put exercise in a pill for me. And anyone who realizes their life was screwed by taking these pills, well, let's pretend their experience never happened because it might impede us on our search for more pills!
> >
> > Did pills ever work for you? If not, have you ever entertained the notion that you don't have an illness that pills are designed to treat?
> >
> > Mr. Pilder exaggerates and overgeneralizes and goes out of his way to scare people using misinformation and disinformation, as is often presented by book-writing, cherry-picking charlatans who refuse to use science as a method of helping people. Which antidepressants do you feel have never greatly improved someone's affective disorder? By the way, as much as eating better and exercising (anaerobic and aerobic) more has undoubtedly improved my overall health, they haven't improved in anyway my crippling bipolar depression. I suppose I should rail against Nautilus and Nordic Track as being hoaxes.
> >
> > Pills work.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> Now let us see how Mr. Hsiung allows defamation against me here with impunity that could poison the minds of readers against me.
> Here Scott writes that I exaggerate and overgeneralize and go out of my way to scare and use misinformation from other's books who Scott lables as charlatans and that I refuse to use science as a method of helping people.
> This is defamation being allowed by Mr. Hsiung over and over that could influence readers to have hatred instilled in them toward me and decreases the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and creates hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me.
> This is all against the rules of Mr. Hsiung which shows the abuse of power by him being used to foster hated toward me and stigmatize and humiliate me. But worse, you could discard what I write by thinking that Mr. Hsiung thinks it is good in the future for his community as a whole. That is the same ill-logic used to justify genocide, slavery, discrimination, segregation, infanticide and mass-murder. The tragedy here is that it is not only Scott being allowed to defame me, but others such as Larry Hoover and now Robert Burton and Zonked and others.
> Thousands of people including children are killed by these drugs each month. That is not overgeneralizing or exaggerating, for other scientists that know a whole lot more than Scott, give a much greater number of deaths each month from these drugs.
> The drugs being promoted here are not medicines for they do not treat a disease. They are chemicals used in insecticides and rat poison and are nerve agents. These chemicals act on the nerves that kill. In humans, if the drug doen't kill, the taker could be addicted and/or get a life-ruining condition. And there could be no return. These chemicals do not cure anything at all. They can cause disease, disability and death. They can be used in the commission of mass-murder.
> I have come here to bring The Spirit of Truth to you. When you receive that Spirit, your mind will be opened to the truth and you will be made free from the chains of addiction and depression. And when you see The Abomination that makes desolate here, it has been revealed to me that you know that the Spirit of Truth is hovering over you. Mr. Hsiunf has posted the swastika and refuses to remove it. That abomination can be seen as being supportive by him.
> Never again.
> LouFriends,
Be not deceived. What Scott has posted here about my character could deceive you because what he has posted about me is not true. And where does the slander of me come from? And to whom is that revealed to?
You may be persuaded to be drawn into the hate posted against me here by Scott as Mr. Hsiung is allowing Scott to be immune from his enforcement policy in his TOS. I question the legality of Mr. Hsiung allowing this hate to be seen as being supportive by him here. But Mr. Hsiung wants you to trust him in what he does or does not do here. He says that he wants the Golden Rule to be implemented in posting and allows Scott's defamation of me to be seen as that the Golden Rule is being implemented by Scott. This insults Judaism, as the Golden Rule finds its earliest written form in the scriptures that the Jews use. This is another way that anti-Semitism can be created and developed in a community. By Mr. Hsiung allowing what Scott wrote about me to be thought to be in the Golden Rule of Judaism, is a perversion of the golden Rule in Judaism that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings. This is all because Scott has posted using me as a scapegoat for the communities real or imagined ills and advocates ignoring what I post, which Mr. Hsiung also allows, and also allows Scott to post anti-Semitic hate as Scott posts that Jews need to convert to Christendom to be saved. For Mr. Hsiung to allow centuries of hate to be openly posted as being supportive by him as a psychiatrist, turns my stomach. The posting of the swastika by Mr. Hsiung himself, could reinforce hatred toward the Jews being seen as being supportive by him could infest the minds of readers here that are under the influence of mind-altering drugs to join hate groups bent on the destruction of Jews.
Lou
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