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Posted by zonked on April 16, 2016, at 1:58:41
Wowzers. Um, is it possible to place someone on an involuntary hold (In California, we call that a "5150") based on IP address?
Lou could be considered" gravely disabled "... He should be in the hospital. Perhaps he is genuine in what he says but perhaps just a troll.
This board will never be ruined by anyone, and yes many of us are annoyed or worse. But where do we draw the line? Anyone? Dr. Bob?
Posted by SLS on April 16, 2016, at 6:36:34
In reply to what to do about Lou ....Dr . Bob?, posted by zonked on April 16, 2016, at 1:58:41
> Lou could be considered" gravely disabled "... He should be in the hospital. Perhaps he is genuine in what he says but perhaps just a troll.
Perhaps...
> This board will never be ruined by anyone,
I hope you are right. I suspect otherwise, though.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2016, at 16:37:13
In reply to what to do about Lou ....Dr . Bob?, posted by zonked on April 16, 2016, at 1:58:41
> Wowzers. Um, is it possible to place someone on an involuntary hold (In California, we call that a "5150") based on IP address?
>
> Lou could be considered" gravely disabled "... He should be in the hospital. Perhaps he is genuine in what he says but perhaps just a troll.
>
> This board will never be ruined by anyone, and yes many of us are annoyed or worse. But where do we draw the line? Anyone? Dr. Bob?Friends,
It is written here,[...perhaps he is a troll...].
Today I started posting here again. And I'm right back seeing hatred once again. This is all allowed to infest your mind that could addict you to these drugs, and today you could start drugging once again.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2016, at 18:27:12
In reply to Lou's response-allowing the hate » zonked, posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2016, at 16:37:13
> > Wowzers. Um, is it possible to place someone on an involuntary hold (In California, we call that a "5150") based on IP address?
> >
> > Lou could be considered" gravely disabled "... He should be in the hospital. Perhaps he is genuine in what he says but perhaps just a troll.
> >
> > This board will never be ruined by anyone, and yes many of us are annoyed or worse. But where do we draw the line? Anyone? Dr. Bob?
>
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...perhaps he is a troll...].
> Today I started posting here again. And I'm right back seeing hatred once again. This is all allowed to infest your mind that could addict you to these drugs, and today you could start drugging once again.
> Lou
>
Friends,
The poster writes what could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions concerning me.
I've tried so hard, my friends, to show you to your dreams. But your afraid that each thing I do is just some evil scheme. The hate here posted from the past keeps us so far apart. Why can't I free your doubtful minds and melt your cold, cold hearts.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2016, at 22:01:26
In reply to Lou's response-koldkoldhrtz, posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2016, at 18:27:12
Lou you and I have discussed this many times. Just be you and share your story. For instance what brought you to babble for the very first time? Did you need help or advise on a medication and come to see what others had to say. Phillipa
Posted by zonked on April 17, 2016, at 9:32:56
In reply to Lou's response-koldkoldhrtz, posted by Lou Pilder on April 16, 2016, at 18:27:12
Lou,
You're in many ways a smart and talented guy, perhaps a poet and i am not being sarcastic. Why not take your keystrokes to somewhere that appreciates you, while staying on babble and being polite and respectful of others?
Just a suggestion,
-z
> > > Wowzers. Um, is it possible to place someone on an involuntary hold (In California, we call that a "5150") based on IP address?
> > >
> > > Lou could be considered" gravely disabled "... He should be in the hospital. Perhaps he is genuine in what he says but perhaps just a troll.
> > >
> > > This board will never be ruined by anyone, and yes many of us are annoyed or worse. But where do we draw the line? Anyone? Dr. Bob?
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...perhaps he is a troll...].
> > Today I started posting here again. And I'm right back seeing hatred once again. This is all allowed to infest your mind that could addict you to these drugs, and today you could start drugging once again.
> > Lou
> >
> Friends,
> The poster writes what could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions concerning me.
> I've tried so hard, my friends, to show you to your dreams. But your afraid that each thing I do is just some evil scheme. The hate here posted from the past keeps us so far apart. Why can't I free your doubtful minds and melt your cold, cold hearts.
> Lou
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2016, at 17:52:24
In reply to Re: Lou's response-koldkoldhrtz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2016, at 22:01:26
> Lou you and I have discussed this many times. Just be you and share your story. For instance what brought you to babble for the very first time? Did you need help or advise on a medication and come to see what others had to say.
Phillipa and friends,
Many of you already know that I am here to free the captives. The captives are the lost sheep of the house of deception. The captives will be made free by the Spirit of Truth. That Spirit is now here hovering above looking down to come down and cover the sheep that have gone astray with healing to deliver them from the bondage of addiction and depression.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2016, at 18:03:25
In reply to Lou's reply-the lost sheep » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2016, at 17:52:24
Were or are you depressed and didn't a medication cause tinnitis in your ears? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2016, at 18:04:03
In reply to Re: Lou's response-koldkoldhrtz - don't hate you » Lou Pilder, posted by zonked on April 17, 2016, at 9:32:56
> Lou,
>
> You're in many ways a smart and talented guy, perhaps a poet and i am not being sarcastic. Why not take your keystrokes to somewhere that appreciates you, while staying on babble and being polite and respectful of others?
>
> Just a suggestion,
>
> -z
> > > > Wowzers. Um, is it possible to place someone on an involuntary hold (In California, we call that a "5150") based on IP address?
> > > >
> > > > Lou could be considered" gravely disabled "... He should be in the hospital. Perhaps he is genuine in what he says but perhaps just a troll.
> > > >
> > > > This board will never be ruined by anyone, and yes many of us are annoyed or worse. But where do we draw the line? Anyone? Dr. Bob?
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > It is written here,[...perhaps he is a troll...].
> > > Today I started posting here again. And I'm right back seeing hatred once again. This is all allowed to infest your mind that could addict you to these drugs, and today you could start drugging once again.
> > > Lou
> > >
> > Friends,
> > The poster writes what could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions concerning me.
> > I've tried so hard, my friends, to show you to your dreams. But your afraid that each thing I do is just some evil scheme. The hate here posted from the past keeps us so far apart. Why can't I free your doubtful minds and melt your cold, cold hearts.
> > Lou
> >
> Zonked,
> Many have been ridiculed and accused of being a troll. In the days of Noah, he was laughed at. And this Jesus of Nazareth was laughed at and accused like Noah of being in their day, a troll.
But Noah warned them to repent. And he built the ark. And this Jesus of Nazareth came into Jerusalem riding on a donkey.
The donkey was the luxury mode of transportation in that day. Like in our day, he had a Lincoln Continental, (and an El Dorado to). But the people told others to not listen to them. They did not come to get the praise of men. But they both brought the Spirit of Truth to make men free.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2016, at 21:48:00
In reply to Lou's reply-the lost sheep » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2016, at 17:52:24
> > Lou you and I have discussed this many times. Just be you and share your story. For instance what brought you to babble for the very first time? Did you need help or advise on a medication and come to see what others had to say.
> Phillipa and friends,
> Many of you already know that I am here to free the captives. The captives are the lost sheep of the house of deception. The captives will be made free by the Spirit of Truth. That Spirit is now here hovering above looking down to come down and cover the sheep that have gone astray with healing to deliver them from the bondage of addiction and depression.
> LouPhilllpa and friends,
The Spirit of Truth is hovering above and circling above watching the lost sheep. For there are ravening wolves seeking to devour them. The sheep have no shepherd and are deceived to believe a lie.
And in the encounter with the Rider on the white horse he said to me, "My sheep hear my voice. I have come to save that which was lost.
Now think. If a man has one hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go into the mountains and seek that which is gone astray?
And if so be that he find it, I say to you that he rejoices more of that sheep, than of the ninety-nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish."
Lou
Posted by Hello321 on April 17, 2016, at 23:51:19
In reply to Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2016, at 21:48:00
Anyone else on here we should consider banning because their message goes against us in our search for more pills? I don't wanna eat better or do anything else that might make my life better, I want more pills! Something with a neat, scientific sounding name would be preferable. They say exercise could help improve mood, but the only way I'm doing that is if "science" could like, put exercise in a pill for me. And anyone who realizes their life was screwed by taking these pills, well, let's pretend their experience never happened because it might impede us on our search for more pills!
Posted by SLS on April 18, 2016, at 6:11:52
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Hello321 on April 17, 2016, at 23:51:19
> Anyone else on here we should consider banning because their message goes against us in our search for more pills? I don't wanna eat better or do anything else that might make my life better, I want more pills! Something with a neat, scientific sounding name would be preferable. They say exercise could help improve mood, but the only way I'm doing that is if "science" could like, put exercise in a pill for me. And anyone who realizes their life was screwed by taking these pills, well, let's pretend their experience never happened because it might impede us on our search for more pills!
Did pills ever work for you? If not, have you ever entertained the notion that you don't have an illness that pills are designed to treat?
Mr. Pilder exaggerates and overgeneralizes and goes out of his way to scare people using misinformation and disinformation, as is often presented by book-writing, cherry-picking charlatans who refuse to use science as a method of helping people. Which antidepressants do you feel have never greatly improved someone's affective disorder? By the way, as much as eating better and exercising (anaerobic and aerobic) more has undoubtedly improved my overall health, they haven't improved in anyway my crippling bipolar depression. I suppose I should rail against Nautilus and Nordic Track as being hoaxes.
Pills work.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on April 18, 2016, at 6:15:14
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by SLS on April 18, 2016, at 6:11:52
I forgot to change the subject line to excise Lou's name. Too much litter.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 6:57:15
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Hello321 on April 17, 2016, at 23:51:19
Do dou know how hard it is to exercise when you are depressed??
how many prople dont exercise? Pretty much all of them. And as far as i am concerned not all of them are depressed.
So relax.
Posted by J Kelly on April 18, 2016, at 8:31:39
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Hello321 on April 17, 2016, at 23:51:19
> I don't wanna eat better or do anything else that might make my life better, I want more pills!
I like you. But I cant even dignify this post with a response.
Jade
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 9:07:27
In reply to Re: Hello 321, posted by J Kelly on April 18, 2016, at 8:31:39
I have been there myself, thinking like that.
Its easy to do.
Posted by J Kelly on April 18, 2016, at 9:32:18
In reply to Re: Hello 321, posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 9:07:27
> I have been there myself, thinking like that.
>
> Its easy to do.Did you read the whole post? Which part do you relate to?
Posted by J Kelly on April 18, 2016, at 9:49:04
In reply to Re: Hello 321, posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 9:07:27
> I have been there myself, thinking like that.
>
> Its easy to do.I'm very offended at the notion that I'm just here to facilitate shoving pills down my throat willy nilly. I've tried EVERYTHING in my arsenal to get well to no avail. Exercise, diets, sleep hygiene, on and on and on. I am being reasonably cautious with regards to my med mngmt. My ONLY real remissions from disabling depression/anxiety have come from psych meds. Without them I am close to suicidal. So pardon me for wanting to get well.
Sorry Lamdage, this was not aimed at you. Just venting.
Jade
Posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:32:54
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by SLS on April 18, 2016, at 6:11:52
> > Anyone else on here we should consider banning because their message goes against us in our search for more pills? I don't wanna eat better or do anything else that might make my life better, I want more pills! Something with a neat, scientific sounding name would be preferable. They say exercise could help improve mood, but the only way I'm doing that is if "science" could like, put exercise in a pill for me. And anyone who realizes their life was screwed by taking these pills, well, let's pretend their experience never happened because it might impede us on our search for more pills!
>
> Did pills ever work for you? If not, have you ever entertained the notion that you don't have an illness that pills are designed to treat?
>
> Mr. Pilder exaggerates and overgeneralizes and goes out of his way to scare people using misinformation and disinformation, as is often presented by book-writing, cherry-picking charlatans who refuse to use science as a method of helping people. Which antidepressants do you feel have never greatly improved someone's affective disorder? By the way, as much as eating better and exercising (anaerobic and aerobic) more has undoubtedly improved my overall health, they haven't improved in anyway my crippling bipolar depression. I suppose I should rail against Nautilus and Nordic Track as being hoaxes.
>
> Pills work.
>
>
At the least Lou doesn't ignore the fact that there's more out there that can help than just pills. I know what treatment resistance feels like. And because of it, my mind has been opened to the fact that there are so many possibilities out there, that have nothing to do with taking another pill. Possibilities that "science" backs. Ways that can help that are much less likely to be damaging than another pill. Sure, this is a medication forum. But when you have sick people coming here for help, who only know about the world of psychiatric treatments, and are seeking help from others who only point them to more psychiatric meds, they are closed off from so much more. I read about science often. I don't just read magazine articles about science. I like to get into the details as much as possible. I dont claim to know everything, but neither do the "experts". And what many do, is avoid the details as much as possible. What do we get? More pain and suffering. More people who get stuck.There is no science behind any idea that an antidepressant corrects any dysfunction in the brain. No science, Scott. At the end of the day all we know is that a certain amount of folks took a certain chemical and it benefitted their well-being in one way or another. But we also know just as well that this chemical has had detrimental effects on the well-being of others. Then we ignore that lives have been ruined by these chemicals. These chemicals have contributed to suicides. We tell ourselves there's no way for these chemicals to cause someone to feel and possibly act homicidal. When anyone ignores all this, then they themselves also should be ignored. And they ARE being ignored. Because all they're shown is the wonderful world of psychiatric pills. They hardly know any better. And if they don't kill themselves because of direct effects of a pill, then they kill themselves because no pill has helped.
When you only know and present a small part of what humans know about improving ones health. Then you only give ohers a small chance at getting better. Lou's approach is hardly different from anyone elses on sites like this. He's presenting what he knows.
Posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:36:34
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:32:54
One thing Lou is 100% right about is that every time some starts taking a psychiatric pills, they're putting their life and the lives of others at risk.
Posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:46:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:32:54
I simply feel like I'm letting someone down, and possibly doing more harm than good, when I present myself as trying to be helpful, and all I tell them is "maybe you should try this pill". Or shock therapy. Or what ever else psychiatry presents to the public as treatments backed by " science".
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 10:58:30
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:46:51
I am pretty sure that my surroundings are FAR better off with me being on pills. Its not perfect, but its an improvement.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 11:02:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:46:51
I think its impossible to be wrong about everything.
Jade, i was talking to Hello123 about exercise.
If i had ANY drive to do it, i sure would do exercise. Exercise is powerful, but it demands a certain standard of mood and drive.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 11:06:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-The Spirit of Truth is watching, posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 10:58:30
I am not on pills forever if they dont provide relief. But for the time being, i am COMPLETELY paranoid without Neuroleptics. I reduce them only when i can.
Venlafaxine is certainly very helpful.
Its so easy to see conspiracies everywhere. I have been there myself.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 18, 2016, at 11:07:49
In reply to Re: Hello 321 » Lamdage22, posted by J Kelly on April 18, 2016, at 9:32:18
> I have been there myself, thinking like that.
>
> Its easy to do.Did you read the whole post? Which part do you relate to?
Jade, i meant Hello123!!
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