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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Larry Hoover on March 4, 2016, at 22:09:19
In reply to Lou's warning-more horrific dieases/death, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 11:33:51
> My Death-O-Meter has its needle bouncing violently.
> LouMy sociopathy meter has its needle buried on the stop above 10. Total sociopathy proven, without a doubt.
Lou Pilder wants to hurt you. He cannot be trusted. The meter does not lie. Lou does, though.
Lar
Posted by SLS on March 5, 2016, at 2:29:30
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by maximus on February 16, 2016, at 15:52:28
> Lithium gave me stability and a ton of energy (CRF production increases). The dose were 1050 mg a day. Combined with Lamictal, lithium is a very good medecine. It even helps Lamictal working better.
I am confused. CRF (CRF1) receptor antagonists are supposed to help with depression. Maybe increased CRF is good for bipolar disorder mixed states? I don't know.
NIMH research shows that lithium + Lamictal is a good combination.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
In reply to Re: Sociopathy meter redline!!! » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 4, 2016, at 22:09:19
> > My Death-O-Meter has its needle bouncing violently.
> > Lou
>
> My sociopathy meter has its needle buried on the stop above 10. Total sociopathy proven, without a doubt.
>
> Lou Pilder wants to hurt you. He cannot be trusted. The meter does not lie. Lou does, though.
>
> Lar
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. Mr. Hoover and a collection of other members here are permitted by Mr. Hsiung to post defamation against me here with impunity from his enforcement policy.
I am not trying to harm readers, but to lead them to where they can be freed from the addiction and depression that they are shackled to and prevent life-ruining conditions. This would come from a Jewish perspective that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting here. Mr. Hsiung's policy is against the Jew here, which is what ant-Semitism entails. You can see plainly that there are two standards here, one for those that post defamation against me here with impunity, and the other being the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung that others do not have to be accountable for. This denies me the equal protection of the rules here, which is what discrimination entails. And worse, anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to flourish here as being supportive. That could account for Mr. Hoover's and other's hatred being allowed to be posted against me here with impunity.
But it is much worse than that. For by readers seeing what Mr. Hoover is allowed to post about me here with impunity, readers could discard what I am saying and be led to their deaths, or become addicted or get a life-ruining condition. Children could be killed by the drugs being allowed to be advocated here without posting the adverse consequences to the drug which could lead readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are. Thousands of people are killed each month by these drugs and that is an understated number and not a lie. These drugs are chemicals used in agents to kill insects and parasitic worms and in the commission of mass-murder. They are nerve agents and not medicines, for medicines treat a disease which these disorders are not. They are formulated so that the chemicals pass through the blood brain barrier and trigger the nervous system. By that happening, one could be killed by the first pill or be death-resistant to the chemicals or some place in between. One could become euphoric or go deeper into depression. But they could become addictive regardless of what effect they could have initially. And the next thing you know the drug does nothing. And then you could seek another drug and start the cycle all over again becoming addicted to another drug. Then the misery could set in as seen by the preponderance of the people posting here where others tell them they have taken the wrong drug and to take what they say, all without posting that the drug could cause you to kill yourself or others along with you. And if readers do not believe me because of what Mr. Hoover and others have posted about me and suffer a horrible death by the drugs, their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by herpills on March 5, 2016, at 21:42:45
In reply to Lou's response-their blood » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
Posted by herpills on March 5, 2016, at 21:43:43
In reply to Lou's response-their blood » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 5, 2016, at 23:06:55
In reply to Lou's response-their blood » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
Don't bring Dr. Bob into this, unless you want to learn how he allowed you to ruin Psychobabble, Lou.
You claim to have had some sort of vision (a psychotic break). You claim to be here to save people, but who have you saved? You are living out your fantasy, at the expense of vulnerable people.
You have no insight into just how messed up you are. I remember your distorted posts about the chemistry of psych drugs, on the premise that they were based on Nazi experiments. (I'm a chemist, so you were busted right out of the gate). Chlorine gas does not equal chloride ion. Just an example.
I'm a practising scientist, and when I review your sources, I cringe. You claim that this site is in violation of FDA guidelines, for example. No, it's not Lou. Your links are ridiculous. Show me an fda.gov link that validates your hypothesis, and then maybe we can debate the matter.
You have no insight into your own mental illness, Lou. You are a danger to everyone you engage in conversation, Lou. Some, like SLS, are on to you 100%. Others, especially newbies....I doubt it. You prey on the vulnerable newbies, Lou.
You are a sociopath, Lou. Look it up.
Please crawl back under the rock you came out from under, and stay there.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 0:02:44
In reply to Re: Lou's response-their blood » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 5, 2016, at 23:06:55
Let's first examine your narcissism, Lou.
You believe that you are in possession of the solution to the psychiatric ills of all mankind.
Do you deny that, Lou?
You believe that your supposed knowledge is divine, at its source.
Do you deny that, Lou?
You do not engage others in true debate. You, instead, substitute other crackpots' ideas to substantiate your own. That suggests that you think you know better than everyone else.
Do you deny that, Lou?
You have no empathy whatsoever for the emotional truth of those you attack. You do not consider how THEY might feel upon encountering your ideas. Instead, you assume that THEY will see things your way.
Do you deny that, Lou?
When tested, you resort to your perception of rules or guidelines to validate the expression of your views, rather than listening to the words of those who question your viewpoint.
Do you deny that, Lou?
These are only, some of the traits of narcissism, applied to Lou Pilder. All sociopaths are narcissistic, but let's start here, Lou.
And, before you begin your response, I couldn't care less if you are a purple Martian or if you are of the Jewish faith. So don't go there. I will spank you down.
Lar
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 2:08:44
In reply to All sociopaths are narcissists, Lou., posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 0:02:44
Keep going, Lar...
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trolls+AND+%28horrible+OR+narcissists+OR+sadists%29
- Scott
> Let's first examine your narcissism, Lou.
>
> You believe that you are in possession of the solution to the psychiatric ills of all mankind.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> You believe that your supposed knowledge is divine, at its source.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> You do not engage others in true debate. You, instead, substitute other crackpots' ideas to substantiate your own. That suggests that you think you know better than everyone else.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> You have no empathy whatsoever for the emotional truth of those you attack. You do not consider how THEY might feel upon encountering your ideas. Instead, you assume that THEY will see things your way.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> When tested, you resort to your perception of rules or guidelines to validate the expression of your views, rather than listening to the words of those who question your viewpoint.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> These are only, some of the traits of narcissism, applied to Lou Pilder. All sociopaths are narcissistic, but let's start here, Lou.
>
> And, before you begin your response, I couldn't care less if you are a purple Martian or if you are of the Jewish faith. So don't go there. I will spank you down.
>
> Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2016, at 5:37:20
In reply to Re: Sociopathy meter redline!!! » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 4, 2016, at 22:09:19
> > My Death-O-Meter has its needle bouncing violently.
> > Lou
>
> My sociopathy meter has its needle buried on the stop above 10. Total sociopathy proven, without a doubt.
>
> Lou Pilder wants to hurt you. He cannot be trusted. The meter does not lie. Lou does, though.
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> Lar
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> Friends,
Anti-Semitism can be created and developed in a community by using tactics that are not new and you do not have to be a mastermind to create and develop antisemitism in a community. The playbook is ancient going back centuries showing these tactic here all under the umbrella of being supportive as Mr. Hsiung states that being supportive takes precedence here by him.
Mr. Hoover is given immunity by Mr. Hsiung from his enforcement rules for the creation and development of anti-Semitic hate here along with those, like Scott, that are in concert. The tactic is to portray me as a liar (falsely)and allow others to encourage the slander against me with impunity. This is an old tactic that could lead to violence toward Jews as being scapegoats for this community's real or imagined ills as can be seen in this thread being developed by Mr. Hoover and Scott. To understand how anti-Semitic hate is created and developed in a community let us look at tis writing in the following link. In the link is a link to the writing that brings this out.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/407438.html
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 20:27:30
In reply to Lou's response-create and develop anti-Semitism » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2016, at 5:37:20
Lou, I told you to drop the anti-Semite crap. It has no bearing here, whatsoever. Only an inferior debater resorts to trying to change the subject to include the religion card. And, especially, that particular card.
Lou, you had a psychotic break. You are seriously mentally ill, and have no insight whatsoever into your true condition. You are a danger to anyone and everyone you encounter for many reasons, not the least of which is your biased reporting, and your inability to empathize in any way with your interlocutors.
I'm not going away this time, Lou. I hope you do, for the good of Babble.
Lar
P.S. No one here is your friend, so cut the rhetoric.
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 20:49:17
In reply to Sociopath Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 20:27:30
> Lou, you had a psychotic break. You are seriously mentally ill, and have no insight whatsoever into your true condition.
Yes. This is unfortunate - but accurate.
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20000128/msgs/20828.html
- Scott
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 21:22:16
In reply to Re: Sociopath Lou, posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 20:49:17
> > Lou, you had a psychotic break. You are seriously mentally ill, and have no insight whatsoever into your true condition.
>
> Yes. This is unfortunate - but accurate.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20000128/msgs/20828.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000209/msgs/21117.htmlI have been holding on to these citations for awhile. There are more. I believe the facts will help towards better understanding what is happening here.
- Scott
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 21:44:44
In reply to Re: Sociopath Lou, posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 20:49:17
> > Lou, you had a psychotic break. You are seriously mentally ill, and have no insight whatsoever into your true condition.
>
> Yes. This is unfortunate - but accurate.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20000128/msgs/20828.html
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>
> - ScottActually, Scott, I was referring to something he posted about a vision that included flying white horses, or something like that? I really don't remember the specifics, but it also had some sort of a connotation that the vision itself had a divine origin.
Ya, now he's a divine sociopath, or some such. Ya, I believe you, Lou.
Not.
Lar
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 22:32:53
In reply to Lou's response-create and develop anti-Semitism » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2016, at 5:37:20
Lou Pilder: You said that you had bipolar disorder, were treated with desipramine, and were plagued by unwelcome music in your head. You had sufficient insight into your bipolar illness 10 years ago that seems to elude you now. This has become a problem.
Lou Pilder: Perhaps you should at least return to taking your lithium. After all, you contend that lithium is not a drug. What do you think? If you remain committed to avoiding drugs, how about psychotherapy? I think a rabbi would also be a good source of counseling for you so that you can place your visions, and revelations into perspective. What do you think?
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on March 8, 2016, at 12:10:27
In reply to Re: Sociopath Lou, posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 21:22:16
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20000128/msgs/20828.html
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000209/msgs/21117.html
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> I have been holding on to these citations for awhile. There are more. I believe the facts will help towards better understanding what is happening here.
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> - ScottI think it would be helpful to the community to have a post collecting those links. Maybe on Admin? I'm not sure it could be entirely civil to Lou, but it might help offset the possibility of people being scared by the death-and-destruction posts.
Posted by SLS on March 8, 2016, at 13:46:11
In reply to Re: history of posts » SLS, posted by Tabitha on March 8, 2016, at 12:10:27
> > I have been holding on to these citations for awhile. There are more. I believe the facts will help towards better understanding what is happening here.
> I think it would be helpful to the community to have a post collecting those links. Maybe on Admin? I'm not sure it could be entirely civil to Lou, but it might help offset the possibility of people being scared by the death-and-destruction posts.I think that this should be enough for now.
I doubt that Mr. Pilder would ever acknowledge that, in his own posted words, he is bipolar and that he was taking lithium and desipramine as medical treatment. I'm pretty sure there is more than simple bipolar disorder going on here. Mr. Pilder is seriously mentally ill. However, he is also a troll. One can be mentally ill and be a troll at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive. However, the mental illness can obscure the narcissistic, sadistic, psychopathic, and Machiavellian tendencies that trolls are known for. This is considered to be the "dark tetrad" personality type. Be not deceived.
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"Let's start by getting our definitions straight: An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response"
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I hate that I should feel it necessary to comment on the nature and behavior of the troll that lives here. For now, the best way to disarm a troll is to ignore him.
New posters are a favorite target for our troll. Most of us already know our troll very well, and do not often satisfy his pathological needs. This is not true of first-time posters who are often desperate, distraught and vulnerable to being upset. They are usually dissuaded from continuing to post here as they are seeking refuge. New posters are easily harmed by the troll. The troll is having fun. It is what he comes here for.
Our troll spends much more time maligning me than do others collectively malign him. Do not feel sorry for our troll. Not every person with bipolar disorder knowingly upsets others as a pastime. Our troll is too smart and lucid enough to not understand that his behavior will affect the behavior of others as a consequence. He awaits the emotional responses of others, and relishes them. He is not a victim. He does not particularly care about the cause-and-effect relationship between his behavior and yours. He counts on it.
As our troll likes to say, there is so much more than this.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 9, 2016, at 14:05:35
In reply to Re: history of posts, posted by SLS on March 8, 2016, at 13:46:11
You are like a scientist that has researched Lou thoroughly.
Hahaha:)
Posted by Tabitha on March 9, 2016, at 16:41:43
In reply to Re: history of posts, posted by SLS on March 8, 2016, at 13:46:11
I don't know. That study was about people who self-identify as trolls, answering yes to questions like "I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of websites." https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/are-you-internet-troll
Does Lou see himself as a troll? We don't know. Thus I wouldn't be too hasty to assume those study results apply.
I'm inclined to think we have a person who is convinced that (1) psychiatric medications are killers, (2) disagreeing with or being critical of a Jewish person leads to anti-Semitic violence, and (3) some kind of apocalyptic event will come that will bring justice. Add to that extreme black and white thinking and over-generalization, and we have the posting style of Lou. How anyone could stay fixated on these topics and post over and over about them, I can't understand. I have wondered if there is a brain injury involved. (I have even wondered if the posts might be generated by a computer program!)
This could be someone who enjoys upsetting people, but it's also possible he's mainly a crusader for his missions, and the upset is collateral damage. I have noticed that people crusading for hot-button topics like religious salvation or anti-abortion feel compelled to press on, regardless of whether they're annoying people. They don't mind telling others that they are damned or murderers or whatever. For the examples I've known personally, they were not sadistic before the belief system got hold of them.
Crusader syndrome could also explain the focus on new posters. Naturally he wants to get to them, because there's still a chance he can convert them. Us existing folks have already rejected his appeals. I would like to think that new posters can recognize the rambling writing style, repetition of topics, and exaggerated language, and realize this is not a reliable source of information. We can welcome them and support them, and that will help offset the irritation of the posts.
It probably sounds like I am supporting Lou. I am mostly supporting myself. I find it much more peaceful to assume someone has a malfunctioning brain than that they are an intentional sadist. Either way, I actually do feel sorry for him :-(
Posted by SLS on March 9, 2016, at 19:52:13
In reply to Re: history of posts, posted by Tabitha on March 9, 2016, at 16:41:43
> Crusader syndrome could also explain...
I've never heard of crusader syndrome. I kind of like it.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on March 10, 2016, at 1:39:18
In reply to Re: history of posts » Tabitha, posted by SLS on March 9, 2016, at 19:52:13
> > Crusader syndrome could also explain...
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> I've never heard of crusader syndrome. I kind of like it.
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> - ScottMe neither, I just made it up. :-)
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2016, at 20:14:36
In reply to Re: history of posts » SLS, posted by Tabitha on March 10, 2016, at 1:39:18
> > > Crusader syndrome could also explain...
> >
> > I've never heard of crusader syndrome. I kind of like it.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Me neither, I just made it up. :-)
>
Tabitha,
You wrote,[...crusader syndrome...just made it p...].
There are people that turn their backs when they see injustice and suffering. And there are people that are shaken when they see such and want to stop the injustice and suffering. It has been revealed to me what the difference in the two types of people are.
And here, I see the great injustice perpetrated here on the guise of that the injustice will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for Mr. Hsiung's community as a whole. But does his actions toward that goal of his justify the deaths of readers here or the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive? I see by what I post here to have the potential to offset the injustice here and to offset the continual misleading of readers to their deaths or life-ruining conditions by reading here the promotion of these drugs without following the FDA rules which could seriously mislead readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are. I do not see trying to stop Mr. Hsiung and his mob of posters that deride me here to be trolling this site, but to give readers the option of following the pack or turning aside to them that openly defame me here. For there could be readers that act on what I post and not go along with the hate being perpetrated here as support. They may have the light of reason with them and see that there is no rational basis for members to be allowed to defame me here. They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved. They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them. Their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 21, 2016, at 15:09:14
In reply to Lou's response-crusade for life » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2016, at 20:14:36
> They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved.
Well, Lou, I try not to refer to you as a troll, but I think I can understand why that label has been applied to you. People are trying to figure out how best to engage with you. Many have come to the conclusion that it's best to ignore you. The various articles about internet trolls come to the same conclusion-- that the posting is best ignored. Thus it becomes a shortcut to point to that phenomena instead of trying to explain a long history of posts.
I understand the recommendation to not engage with you. When I try to engage with you, I find it frustrating because it never results in the back-and-forth nature of communication that I expect in a conversation. For instance, I ask you where you get the idea that psych meds are dangerous killers, you point me to a website that doesn't have the standards of evidence that I trust in medical information, I point that out to you, then you apparently ignore what I posted and repeat your claims. I never feel as if I have been heard.
I also feel frustrated that there's no personal disclosure or what I normally see as support in your posts. You post repeatedly that psych meds are dangerous killers. There is a lack of personal input. I think people would be much more open to talking with you if you told us a bit more about your history, what's happening with your life, how you're feeling, etc. Just normal human stuff.
> They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them.
I have found the exact opposite to be true. Several times in my life I have had suicidal thoughts that were stopped by psychiatric meds. Because of those experiences, having some faith in the system of FDA approval and clinical trials, plus having reviewed the websites you quote, I think your claims are incorrect. In fact, I worry that someone might be harmed by your posts by not getting medication that could be life-saving for them. You are concerned about death and bloodshed, but you don't seem to consider the possibility of harm from lack of medication at all. It is strange, because I think you are capable of researching the rate of positive effects of medication on suicidal ideation versus the rate of adverse events. What if 1000 people are helped while 1 person is harmed by medication? Would you still crusade about the harms of medication?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 18:16:18
In reply to Re: crusade for accurate information » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 21, 2016, at 15:09:14
> > They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved.
>
> Well, Lou, I try not to refer to you as a troll, but I think I can understand why that label has been applied to you. People are trying to figure out how best to engage with you. Many have come to the conclusion that it's best to ignore you. The various articles about internet trolls come to the same conclusion-- that the posting is best ignored. Thus it becomes a shortcut to point to that phenomena instead of trying to explain a long history of posts.
>
> I understand the recommendation to not engage with you. When I try to engage with you, I find it frustrating because it never results in the back-and-forth nature of communication that I expect in a conversation. For instance, I ask you where you get the idea that psych meds are dangerous killers, you point me to a website that doesn't have the standards of evidence that I trust in medical information, I point that out to you, then you apparently ignore what I posted and repeat your claims. I never feel as if I have been heard.
>
> I also feel frustrated that there's no personal disclosure or what I normally see as support in your posts. You post repeatedly that psych meds are dangerous killers. There is a lack of personal input. I think people would be much more open to talking with you if you told us a bit more about your history, what's happening with your life, how you're feeling, etc. Just normal human stuff.
>
> > They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them.
>
> I have found the exact opposite to be true. Several times in my life I have had suicidal thoughts that were stopped by psychiatric meds. Because of those experiences, having some faith in the system of FDA approval and clinical trials, plus having reviewed the websites you quote, I think your claims are incorrect. In fact, I worry that someone might be harmed by your posts by not getting medication that could be life-saving for them. You are concerned about death and bloodshed, but you don't seem to consider the possibility of harm from lack of medication at all. It is strange, because I think you are capable of researching the rate of positive effects of medication on suicidal ideation versus the rate of adverse events. What if 1000 people are helped while 1 person is harmed by medication? Would you still crusade about the harms of medication?
>
You wrote about the harm that could be possible if one in a psychiatric crisis is not given psychotropic drugs.
Be not deceived. There is no anti-suicide drug, for the army is trying to make one. They give troops in a psychiatric crisis Seroquel an other drugs promoted here and there are many suicides after the drugs are given.
Children given these drugs by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist kill themselves and others along with them. Mothers kill their children after taking these drugs. Children kill their parents after taking these drugs.
You see, I know what these drugs do to the mind, but I am prevented from posting here about that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And if you knew, you could have a whole new perspective that is kept from you here by Mr. Hsiung.
This new way of living could open your mind to be freed from the slavery of addictive drugs and depression and the shortened life-span that these drugs can cause. That choice is denied here to readers by Mr. Hsiung censoring me here. As long as I am not allowed to be heard, you could be swayed by what is allowed here, which includes anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive.
Many here have been killed by the drugs being promoted here. I believe that they could still be alive if I was allowed to speak here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 19:19:55
In reply to Lou's response-no anti suicide drug » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 18:16:18
> > > They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved.
> >
> > Well, Lou, I try not to refer to you as a troll, but I think I can understand why that label has been applied to you. People are trying to figure out how best to engage with you. Many have come to the conclusion that it's best to ignore you. The various articles about internet trolls come to the same conclusion-- that the posting is best ignored. Thus it becomes a shortcut to point to that phenomena instead of trying to explain a long history of posts.
> >
> > I understand the recommendation to not engage with you. When I try to engage with you, I find it frustrating because it never results in the back-and-forth nature of communication that I expect in a conversation. For instance, I ask you where you get the idea that psych meds are dangerous killers, you point me to a website that doesn't have the standards of evidence that I trust in medical information, I point that out to you, then you apparently ignore what I posted and repeat your claims. I never feel as if I have been heard.
> >
> > I also feel frustrated that there's no personal disclosure or what I normally see as support in your posts. You post repeatedly that psych meds are dangerous killers. There is a lack of personal input. I think people would be much more open to talking with you if you told us a bit more about your history, what's happening with your life, how you're feeling, etc. Just normal human stuff.
> >
> > > They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them.
> >
> > I have found the exact opposite to be true. Several times in my life I have had suicidal thoughts that were stopped by psychiatric meds. Because of those experiences, having some faith in the system of FDA approval and clinical trials, plus having reviewed the websites you quote, I think your claims are incorrect. In fact, I worry that someone might be harmed by your posts by not getting medication that could be life-saving for them. You are concerned about death and bloodshed, but you don't seem to consider the possibility of harm from lack of medication at all. It is strange, because I think you are capable of researching the rate of positive effects of medication on suicidal ideation versus the rate of adverse events. What if 1000 people are helped while 1 person is harmed by medication? Would you still crusade about the harms of medication?
> >
> You wrote about the harm that could be possible if one in a psychiatric crisis is not given psychotropic drugs.
> Be not deceived. There is no anti-suicide drug, for the army is trying to make one. They give troops in a psychiatric crisis Seroquel an other drugs promoted here and there are many suicides after the drugs are given.
> Children given these drugs by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist kill themselves and others along with them. Mothers kill their children after taking these drugs. Children kill their parents after taking these drugs.
> You see, I know what these drugs do to the mind, but I am prevented from posting here about that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And if you knew, you could have a whole new perspective that is kept from you here by Mr. Hsiung.
> This new way of living could open your mind to be freed from the slavery of addictive drugs and depression and the shortened life-span that these drugs can cause. That choice is denied here to readers by Mr. Hsiung censoring me here. As long as I am not allowed to be heard, you could be swayed by what is allowed here, which includes anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive.
> Many here have been killed by the drugs being promoted here. I believe that they could still be alive if I was allowed to speak here.
> Lou
>
Friends,
Be not deceived. Mr. Hsiung is allowing these posts of hate here against me with impunity from his enforcement rules. This could seriously mislead you to your death.
The drugs being promoted here could cause death by many ways and thousands are killed each month. Many by the combinations of these concoctions of death being allowed to be promoted here without the adverse consequences that could befall the taker and you could think that these drugs are safer than they really are.
You could be misled to think that you could make it to the emergency ward before you die. But there is sudden death from these drugs by heart stopping. You will not have time, you will be killed by the drugs.
Here is a video.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKj74MPGUcs
Posted by Tabitha on March 22, 2016, at 0:16:52
In reply to Lou's response-you will not have time and die, posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 19:19:55
> > You see, I know what these drugs do to the mind, but I am prevented from posting here about that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And if you knew, you could have a whole new perspective that is kept from you here by Mr. Hsiung.I'd like to hear what you know about what these drugs do to the mind. Dr Bob isn't prohibiting anything any more.
> Here is a video.
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKj74MPGUcs
>A-ha, now I understand where some of your ideas come from. Did you know that film was produced by Scientology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights
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