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Posted by phidippus on January 31, 2014, at 17:57:50
Eric
Posted by poser938 on January 31, 2014, at 18:36:38
In reply to Wrong about mental illness., posted by phidippus on January 31, 2014, at 17:57:50
That. And its hard to find a Psychiatrist that even takes her job seriously. Psychiatrists rarely remember what Med I'm on or how long I've been on it. At every appointment they ask the same question about if I've tried a certain treatment before.
This.. among many other things...
Posted by Phillipa on January 31, 2014, at 22:23:51
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness., posted by poser938 on January 31, 2014, at 18:36:38
Mine spends the whole time reviewing what I take saying "well you are getting along" here's your RX. Phillipa
Posted by poser938 on January 31, 2014, at 23:14:22
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » poser938, posted by Phillipa on January 31, 2014, at 22:23:51
> Mine spends the whole time reviewing what I take saying "well you are getting along" here's your RX. Phillipa
Yeah, I've been to one that would actually talk to me about the medicine. One out of like 6 different psychiatrists I've been to over the years. The rest interact with you about as much as a door. Its like they're on autopilot the whole time.
Posted by Bob on February 1, 2014, at 16:09:37
In reply to Wrong about mental illness., posted by phidippus on January 31, 2014, at 17:57:50
That's an insightful and well-written article.
Posted by phidippus on February 1, 2014, at 17:08:52
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » poser938, posted by Phillipa on January 31, 2014, at 22:23:51
Me and my shrink talk all the time.
Eric
Posted by baseball55 on February 1, 2014, at 18:02:18
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » Phillipa, posted by phidippus on February 1, 2014, at 17:08:52
I love my psychiatrist. He spends 1/2 an hour for med visits and always knows exactly what I'm taking. when he has felt out of ideas, he sent me to a consultant, with whom he communicated immediately. Many p-docs are great.
Posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2014, at 18:30:10
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness., posted by baseball55 on February 1, 2014, at 18:02:18
I had two great ones. Both roomed together at college. But one was in Wilton CT and other in VA beach. The first one referred me to his friend when I moved there. That's when appointments were an hour and it was combined with therapy. Only took a benzo then also. The second one I worked with, and he got me a second job in the VA Beach jail as he was the psychiatrist there. We both worked there one day a week. Phillipa
Posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 1:40:25
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness., posted by baseball55 on February 1, 2014, at 18:02:18
> Many p-docs are great.
How do you know?
What makes them great?
Posted by SLS on February 2, 2014, at 6:18:51
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » baseball55, posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 1:40:25
> > Many p-docs are great.
I have to agree that many psychiatrists are great - especially those whose ability to treat people successfully is greater than what the paucity of knowledge available to man usually yields.
> How do you know?Exposure.
> What makes them great?
What criteria in particular would you like for people to rate psychiatrists on?
- Scott
Posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 13:54:24
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » herpills, posted by SLS on February 2, 2014, at 6:18:51
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>I'm not sure, one reason why I brought it up! I think the things that baseball mentioned certainly sound like things people would want in a doctor. I would actually consider those things should be a given. I guess what my question is, what makes a psychiatrist great, vs only good?
Do you have a great psychiatrist? Why are they great?
Posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 18:58:45
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » baseball55, posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 1:40:25
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> Because I've personally interacted with and benefited from several p-docs, including not just my own outpatient doc, but six or seven I've been assigned to in inpatient stays. I'm sure there are bad ones out there. I've had a couple of mediocre ones. No bad ones though. I've been very happy with almost all psychiatric care I've received. I should also point out that, while in various inpatient and intensive outpatient programs, I have had excellent experiences with psychiatric nurses, social workers and counsellors. Not 100%, but certainly 90%.Why? What's your experience been? All we have to go on is our own experience. I've had more than my fair share of experience with mental health practitioners and it's been mostly good.
I get annoyed by the extreme negativity expressed about mental health practitioners on this board.
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Posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 19:07:19
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » baseball55, posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 1:40:25
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> To answer your second question -- what makes the p-docs I've worked with great (to me) is that (1) they show genuine compassion and consideration; (2) they try their hardest, give me their undivided attention and listen to what I have to say. (3) they understand and are unhappy with the limits of biological treatments and do their best to minimize side effects and research/consult on treatments they haven't considered or are unfamiliar with. (4) All the best p-docs I've had take therapy very seriously and would never recommend medical treatment without therapy. Maybe some people feel they don't need this or it hasn't done them any good. I could not have gotten better without therapy and all the p-docs I've seen have great respect for social workers and other therapists and the various types of therapy offered - CBT, DBT, psych-dynamic, mindfulness-based therapy, etc.
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Posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 19:13:35
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » SLS, posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 13:54:24
> Do you have a great psychiatrist? Why are they great?
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> I have a great psychiatrist. How is he great. He is caring, compassionate, listens to me closely, goes above and beyond expectations time after time (meeting with my social worker, coming to the hospital to meet with my treatment team, keeping in touch with my husband when I was suicidal, answering my sometimes constant phone calls, never making me feel rushed or misunderstood, etc., etc., etc.
Posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 20:42:56
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » herpills, posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 19:13:35
What has shaped my opinion on Psychiatry and Psychiatrist is, as I've mentioned, I've experienced a side of it that isn't part of the mainstream. Certain meds I've taken have had detrimental effects on me that have been very long lasting. If not permanent. I've been able to basically handle it when I take an SSRI, and after a few weeks, my emotions are numbed and this effect stays with me after I discontinue the Med. But other meds have had far more severe effects on me.
Psychiatrists don't know how to approach this. So I've been left studying the effects of these meds myself and trying to come up with a way to reverse what past meds have done to me. Similar how one takes a certain Med to undo side effects of another Med they take.
But I've had Psychiatrists call me Delusional when I explain my experience with medications. As well as actually actively do things that have hindered my healthcare, such as one banning me from seeing the Medical Doctor I had been seeing at a clinic that was in the same Cherokee Health system that my Psychiatrist was apart of. His reason was because I refused to try a certain Med he wanted me to take. So, he wrote the Doctors office saying was banned from Cherokee.
Other Psychiatrists pay no mind to what I say when I explain my condition. My condition isn't listed in their DSM, so basically it does not exist. It is not a legitimate condition, nor a legit reaction to Psychiatric Chemicals. There is no actual treatment for it. People in a situation like mine have been swept under the rug.
Not only is it viewed this way by many Psychiatrists and Drug Companies, though if they're actually a knowledgeable Psychiatrist, they will understand how these chemicals can, at least in rare cases, cause a situation like mine. But its also viewed this way by certain people I've talked to on forums such as Psychobabble.
I've found one psychiatrist who acknowledged my condition. But after her letting me try many treatments that a normal pdoc would never allow, she told me my case was above her expertise. And stopped seeing me.....
But I'm sure one who is more connected to the Mainstream Psychiatry has likely had a much better experience than I have.
Posted by phidippus on February 2, 2014, at 21:02:06
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness., posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 20:42:56
What is your condition?
Eric
Posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 21:17:19
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » poser938, posted by phidippus on February 2, 2014, at 21:02:06
Well, it is basically classified as depression. But it is a Psychiatric med induced depression. The main problem has been that in most cases, I cant just chronically take a Med without it eventually having a permanent effect on me. So, I have to be much more calculated in which Med I take.
But the Med that has affected me worse was Mirapex that I took a few years ago. For a few weeks I experienced a benefit of the increased dopamine receptor stimulation, but after that u experienced what I think of as basically a shutdown of my dopamine functioning. Extreme depression kicked in. Extreme apathy. Words cannot do it justice.
I can no longer feel the effects of adderall. Or dopamine antagonists.
Ive trued many medications as well as rTMS AND I have maybe 2 more ideas to try and then if they don't work, do believe I'll be out of luck. Deep Brain Stimulation is one.
Posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 22:03:10
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » herpills, posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 18:58:45
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Should only people with great psychiatrists be allowed to post on this forum?
Posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 22:11:53
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » herpills, posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 18:58:45
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Posted by phidippus on February 2, 2014, at 22:19:27
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness., posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 21:17:19
All psychiatric medications can cause changes in thinking which may become permanent, however changes in mood cannot become permanent-the elastic nature of mood prevents this.
Why are you messing around with dopamineantagonists?
What antidepressants have you been on?
Eric
Posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 22:22:57
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » poser938, posted by phidippus on February 2, 2014, at 22:19:27
> All psychiatric medications can cause changes in thinking which may become permanent, however changes in mood cannot become permanent-the elastic nature of mood prevents this.
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> EricAre you saying changes in brain functioning cannot become permanent?
I took Mirapex to help with decreased libido.
Mirapex also actually induced Restless Legs Syndrome.
Posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 22:24:33
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » baseball55, posted by herpills on February 2, 2014, at 22:03:10
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> Why so defensive? Of course, anyone should be allowed to post, with good or bad experiences. What annoys me is that wholesale condemnations of mental heath practitioners routinely go unchallenged on this board. I am just challenging them.Okay, so you had a bad experience. That doesn't mean all p-docs s**k or psychiatrists are in league against us. My experience has been different. I just feel it is necessary to insert this point of view on occasion and counter the frequent attacks on mental health practitioners. And I say mental health practitioners because I have read, on this board, not only wholesale condemnations of p-docs, but also of inpatient counsellors, outpatient therapists, and on and on.
I just want to go on the record to say - that hasn't been my experience.
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Posted by phidippus on February 2, 2014, at 22:31:25
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness., posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 22:22:57
What brain functions?
What antidepressants have you been on?
Eric
Posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 22:37:02
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » herpills, posted by baseball55 on February 2, 2014, at 22:24:33
> > Why so defensive? Of course, anyone should be allowed to post, with good or bad experiences. What annoys me is that wholesale condemnations of mental heath practitioners routinely go unchallenged on this board. I am just challenging them.
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> Okay, so you had a bad experience. That doesn't mean all p-docs s**k or psychiatrists are in league against us. My experience has been different. I just feel it is necessary to insert this point of view on occasion and counter the frequent attacks on mental health practitioners. And I say mental health practitioners because I have read, on this board, not only wholesale condemnations of p-docs, but also of inpatient counsellors, outpatient therapists, and on and on.
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>I'm just presenting my experience on here, which is quite different from the prevailing opinion on Psychobabble. Your thoughts on Psychiatry seem to be basically shared with most people on Babble. Your experience hasn't been ignored by mainstream Psychiatry like mine has. I hope you're thankful for this.
Posted by poser938 on February 2, 2014, at 22:41:21
In reply to Re: Wrong about mental illness. » poser938, posted by phidippus on February 2, 2014, at 22:31:25
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> EricYou said these meds can to cause a permanent change in mood. What makes up ones mood? Their brain function?
I take it you are saying psychiatric meds cannot cause permanent change in brain function.
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