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Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2013, at 1:47:28
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 21:24:57
> > > > I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am.
> > >
> > > I had no doubts.
> > >
> > > > I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
> > >
> > > <big smile>
> >
> > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
>
> Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.
Bob
Posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:15:56
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 21:58:05
> > What I'm getting at is its taken more seriously in this world when someone has their feelings hurt than when someone has their brain ruined.
>
> But that doesn't make it sound much better, does it?
> I'm not meaning to hurt any feelings. I guess I'm just writing like this because I'm not a strong person.I apologize, Poser. You are quite strong, actually.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:27:22
In reply to Re: the good fight, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2013, at 1:47:28
> > > > > I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am.
> > > >
> > > > I had no doubts.
> > > >
> > > > > I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
> > > >
> > > > <big smile>
> > >
> > > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
> >
> > Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
>
> I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
>
> IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.Perhaps you can address each and every individual who is addressed or referred to by Lou Pilder that they are fighting the good fight? Psycho-Babble might then pick up a few new customers as the old ones are lost to "attrition".
I'll write more on the Administration board if I end up having anything more to say.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 9:05:01
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 21:24:57
Hi Laura.
Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
Sad, really.
- Scott
Hi Scott,I'm getting used to the dynamic here, and while there may be adverse side effects, I believe the benefits outweigh the risks. (sorry, couldn't help myself) :)
There are some wonderful people here, and I'm learning as I read about what everyone is going through. Along with everyone's help with my questions, for which I am extremely grateful, when I see a new psychiatric term, or medicine I've not already taken myself, I have been researching it as it pertains to myself or to my daughter.
I believe that in order to help my daughter, I need to have as much knowledge as I can obtain to effectively converse with both her pdoc and her therapist. I find that here!
Thanks again,
Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 11:33:28
In reply to Re: the good fight » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:27:22
> > > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
> >
> > Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
>
> I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
>
> IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.Perhaps you can address each and every individual who is addressed or referred to by Lou Pilder that they are fighting the good fight? Psycho-Babble might then pick up a few new customers as the old ones are lost to "attrition".
Hi all,
I feel that I should respond here. When I said "fight the good fight" it was meant to be an all encompassing phrase as it pertains to Taylor, as well as subjecting myself to the accusatory demeanor some may have concerning decisions I may make for her. I wasn't sure that I could handle that, as I stand before you already on shaky ground in dealing with my own depression and anxiety disorder. My feelings weren't hurt; I had a panic attack, and the shock factor, to me, was extreme. If any of you are fighting for your child's life and well being, you may understand that I'm going through hell, and feel like an exposed nerve. The stress is taking its toll on my health.
With that said, the initial "shock" is over and done with. I have come to understand that medicating children is controversial, and need to ignore any shots fired at me directly or indirectly, as a parent never gives up. However, I would rather receive that information in a helpful, constructive manner, as now I will not read from a certain poster. I will ignore such indignations, as previously stated by Scott, because of the people here who support me and have been so helpful.
I was looking around the board, and it struck me as strange how few members are actively posting. I then realized, as previously stated, why that may be. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and they should be shared here, but when you're new here and blindsided with an accusitory / inflammatory post, you will probably end up looking for another venue.
I can't help but suggest that even before Lou has a chance to "attack" a new member, they be forewarned? I suppose that won't happen, but it probably would have staved off my panic attack. I am all for reading posts from people who are against psychiatry/medication when put forth in a well intentioned and useful manner, backed by their own experiences. We can then focus on the issues we're here to learn about/help with, and not spend so much time with all the drama. (I apologetically include myself)
- Laura
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 2, 2013, at 12:21:31
In reply to Re: the good fight, posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 11:33:28
> > > > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
> > >
> > > Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
> >
> > I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
> >
> > IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.
>
> Perhaps you can address each and every individual who is addressed or referred to by Lou Pilder that they are fighting the good fight? Psycho-Babble might then pick up a few new customers as the old ones are lost to "attrition".
>
> Hi all,
>
> I feel that I should respond here. When I said "fight the good fight" it was meant to be an all encompassing phrase as it pertains to Taylor, as well as subjecting myself to the accusatory demeanor some may have concerning decisions I may make for her. I wasn't sure that I could handle that, as I stand before you already on shaky ground in dealing with my own depression and anxiety disorder. My feelings weren't hurt; I had a panic attack, and the shock factor, to me, was extreme. If any of you are fighting for your child's life and well being, you may understand that I'm going through hell, and feel like an exposed nerve. The stress is taking its toll on my health.
>
> With that said, the initial "shock" is over and done with. I have come to understand that medicating children is controversial, and need to ignore any shots fired at me directly or indirectly, as a parent never gives up. However, I would rather receive that information in a helpful, constructive manner, as now I will not read from a certain poster. I will ignore such indignations, as previously stated by Scott, because of the people here who support me and have been so helpful.
>
> I was looking around the board, and it struck me as strange how few members are actively posting. I then realized, as previously stated, why that may be. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and they should be shared here, but when you're new here and blindsided with an accusitory / inflammatory post, you will probably end up looking for another venue.
>
> I can't help but suggest that even before Lou has a chance to "attack" a new member, they be forewarned? I suppose that won't happen, but it probably would have staved off my panic attack. I am all for reading posts from people who are against psychiatry/medication when put forth in a well intentioned and useful manner, backed by their own experiences. We can then focus on the issues we're here to learn about/help with, and not spend so much time with all the drama. (I apologetically include myself)
>
> - LauraFriends,
It is written here,[...if any of you are fighting for your child's life and well being...].
I am fighting here for all the children of the world to save their life and well being, for I am a parent to all children.
What I know about mind-altering drugs could astound you. And what I know about how these drugs can ruin a child's life could give you a whole new understanding about the choice one has if they are considering drugging their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. This knowledge that I have is prohibited by Mr Hsiung for me to post here due to the numerous prohibitions to me by him. This could lead people to have a deficient understanding of the nature of the potential for psychiatric drugs to kill your child. Readers here do not have that information from me, they are uninformed of what I know about these drugs. And it's so easy to persuade the uninformed.
Parents, look at the hate that is allowed to be fostered here by Mr Hsiung by him allowing scapegoating of me for member's real or imagined ills. You could think that it is supportive for the administrator here to be in concert with the promotion of hate being allowed to stand. And even worse, in particular but not limited to, anti-Semitic hate is allowed to stand here. And look at all the people here that want me sanctioned while all the defamation toward me and hatred toward the Jews is permitted to abound. And those that want to shut my mouth will deprive others of the knowledge that I have that IMHHHHO could save their lives or the lives of their child, prevent addictions and life-ruining conditions. All of the excuses here to allow the hate is just a transparent attempt to engender sympathy where no sympathy is deserved.
And the members here are allowed to say that I post what is negative. And the members here are allowed to post that I abuse the rules. And it is allowed here to post anti_Judaism defamation. And it is allowed here for people to try to break me and slander me and there is encouragement by Mr Hsiung by him being in concert with some of them and allows the opposing of Judaism.
Where does this (expletive) come from? Do you know? Is state-sponsored hate something new?
Here is a video.
Lou
To see this video, bring up Google and the type in:
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Posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 12:39:41
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:15:56
> > > What I'm getting at is its taken more seriously in this world when someone has their feelings hurt than when someone has their brain ruined.
> >
> > But that doesn't make it sound much better, does it?
> > I'm not meaning to hurt any feelings. I guess I'm just writing like this because I'm not a strong person.
>
> I apologize, Poser. You are quite strong, actually.
>
>
> - ScottHi Poser,
I don't believe that anyone thinks that hurt feelings are taken more seriously than your condition. I certainly don't.
I've read your posts and I'm sorry for all you're going through. I can't imagine your pain. You're here, which means you haven't given up, and I agree with Scott that you're stronger than you think you are.
Thank you for telling your story; I'm paying close attention, and I hope it means something to you that you have helped me by listing the meds you've been on along with your diagnoses. I know you don't believe that a psychiatrist can help you, so I won't interject, but I do believe that help is out there, and that you can find it if you persevere. I'll say it again, that I believe you are stronger than you think you are.
- Laura
Posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2013, at 18:04:05
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 12:39:41
Hi Laura you are an incredible person and Mother to Taylor. How lucky she is to have you for a Mom.
And I feel you are a very forgiving person. Seems many leave as a result of what happened to you here on your thread. Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on July 2, 2013, at 18:54:58
In reply to Lou's apology-, posted by Lou PIlder on June 29, 2013, at 22:38:37
> My apology to anyone that thought that I used the word in question in relation to the poster that I responded to, laura, for that was not my intention.
> Lou
>So you mean it to apply to all who work with a physician to use medications to treat their children's mental health disorders, then? What do you mean by invoking the term "infanticide", albeit in your own Lounique spelling?
Posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 6:29:55
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2013, at 18:04:05
Hi Phillipa,
I can certainly forgive and move on. I extend the same forgiveness I wish to receive in return. Besides, I was just getting acclimated here. I feel that I can find the help I need here, as well as help others with my years of being a psychiatric patient myself.
I don't feel like such a great mom right now. I just took Taylor to her intake for new pdoc. She spoke with a therapist there so we could give all of Taylor's history. When it came to the question of "trauma", Taylor looked at me, and I knew it was time for me to leave so she could speak about her childhood, and whatever it is that she still holds onto today.
I wanted to mention it before, but I'm a recovering alcoholic, and I was not always there for Taylor the way she needed me. I didn't drink all that often, but when I did I was mean or stupid. I was self medicating nearly all my life. Taylor witnessed fights between myself and her father - things she shouldn't have seen. I want her to open up about this, but since this whole process began, she hasn't really opened up to me - only therapists to whom she felt comfortable with.
I find myself very depressed right now. For the past couple of days, I've woken up and have just not wanted to be here. My physical pain is ridiculous again lately - it's difficult to move past that. I don't know it it's situational, because to be frank, my life sucks. I may need to look at my meds again - does anyone know if Cymbalta has the "prozac effect" where it just stops working?? If I even care later, I should probably post a new thread about this.
Thanks - Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 13:46:54
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 6:29:55
> I find myself very depressed right now. For the past couple of days, I've woken up and have just not wanted to be here. My physical pain is ridiculous again lately - it's difficult to move past that. I don't know it it's situational, because to be frank, my life sucks. I may need to look at my meds again - does anyone know if Cymbalta has the "prozac effect" where it just stops working?? If I even care later, I should probably post a new thread about this.
I shouldn't post when I haven't slept. My life doesn't suck; I'm just stressed out. Showed my bi-polarity there.... many apologies
- Laura
Posted by poser938 on July 3, 2013, at 18:19:41
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 13:46:54
I'm not sure if you're still wondering, but why couldn't Cymbalta have the same effect Prozac can have in that it could just stop working.
Many medicines can stop working, and this includes psychiatric meds. When causing an unnatural increase in neurotransmitters like serotonin r norepinephrine, over time the brain makes compensatory changes to regulate itself back to normal. It might decrease the amount of neurotransmitters it naturally synthesized before you started taking the medication, Decrease the amount of receptors that receive those neurotransmitters or god knows what.
Posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 19:05:42
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 3, 2013, at 18:19:41
> I'm not sure if you're still wondering, but why couldn't Cymbalta have the same effect Prozac can have in that it could just stop working.
> Many medicines can stop working, and this includes psychiatric meds. When causing an unnatural increase in neurotransmitters like serotonin r norepinephrine, over time the brain makes compensatory changes to regulate itself back to normal. It might decrease the amount of neurotransmitters it naturally synthesized before you started taking the medication, Decrease the amount of receptors that receive those neurotransmitters or god knows what.
>Hi,
Yes, I'm still wondering. You said, "over time the brain makes compensatory changes to regulate itself back to normal" Do you know if this occurs with all antidepressants, or rather is this the general consensus? I think I need to get further information, and probably post a new thread concerning meds I'm taking.
Thanks for your input.
- Laura
Posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:34:43
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 19:05:42
It is my impression that the SSRIs are more prone to poop-out than are other types of antidepressants. Paroxetine (Paxil) might be the most problematic. I can't be sure, though. When paroxetine works, it can be magical. It is great for both depression and anxiety disorders. I do wonder, though, if it might not set one up for treatment-reisistence - a sort of cross-tolerance. I think most doctors go with Lexapro as a first choice. I like the idea of going with Pristiq as a second choice. I can afford to be wrong, though. I'm not a doctor.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 6:29:55
Laura forgive yourself. Luckily Taylor has a therapist she feels comfortable to talk too. Also for me Cymbalta did work for pain for me. Only took for two months 60mgs. I should have stayed on it as only when went off it did I realize had back pain. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:57:38
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:34:43
> It is my impression that the SSRIs are more prone to poop-out than are other types of antidepressants. Paroxetine (Paxil) might be the most problematic. I can't be sure, though. When paroxetine works, it can be magical. It is great for both depression and anxiety disorders. I do wonder, though, if it might not set one up for treatment-reisistence - a sort of cross-tolerance.
I should mention that paroxetine should not be taken during pregnancy.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 4, 2013, at 9:30:49
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:57:38
> > It is my impression that the SSRIs are more prone to poop-out than are other types of antidepressants. Paroxetine (Paxil) might be the most problematic. I can't be sure, though. When paroxetine works, it can be magical. It is great for both depression and anxiety disorders. I do wonder, though, if it might not set one up for treatment-reisistence - a sort of cross-tolerance.
>
> I should mention that paroxetine should not be taken during pregnancy.
>
>
> - ScottThanks Scott,
Although I don't see it yet, I'm looking for signs that Zoloft may have run its course for Taylor. A friend's daughter had been on several different antidepressants before a good one was found. She would notice that the med would peak at 6 weeks or so, but after that depression would return. It doesn't really makes sense to me, as I thought these meds needed time to "build the receptors" which made the serotonin work to begin with. I also understand that everyone responds differently.
As for my own meds, I'm going to start a new thread.
Thanks - Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 4, 2013, at 9:58:46
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
Laura forgive yourself. Luckily Taylor has a therapist she feels comfortable to talk too. Also for me Cymbalta did work for pain for me. Only took for two months 60mgs. I should have stayed on it as only when went off it did I realize had back pain. Phillipa
Hi Phillipa,
I'm working on it. Yes, Taylor has established an excellent rapport with her therapist.
I ran out of Cymbalta 60mg a while ago, (darn those snail mail prescription pharmacies) and although back on track for maybe 2 weeks, I don't think it's enough for the depression. As for the pain, Lyrica does the job for me.
Thank you - Laura
Posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 19:30:31
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
All these are experiences from people writing about a Med that stopped working for them. It seems like any type of ,medicine could stop working for anyone.
In my situation, 2 meds that had a benefit on me from the beginning of taking them were Adderall and Mirapex. They helped for a bit over a month and then stopped working. When they stopped working, my mental condition became much worse than before I started taking the medicine.
Remember, the human brain is probably the most complicated thing in the universe. I believe anything can be expected when
attempting to do amateur work on it with a man-made pill based on a hypothesis about what is causing the flaw in emotional functioning.http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Depression/Cymbalta-not-working-anymore/show/1339041
http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php?/topic/17405-zoloft-saved-me-then-it-stopped-working/
http://www.anxietyzone.com/index.php?topic=27404.0
http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-conditions/ritalin-stopped-working-help-plz-43128.html
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 6, 2013, at 8:12:32
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 19:30:31
If shes truly classically bipolar, why not lithium and lamictal?
Posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by Lamdage22 on July 6, 2013, at 8:12:32
> If shes truly classically bipolar, why not lithium and lamictal?
Hi,
From what we've seen, she may have bi-polar II. I don't see manic highs, and her depression is pretty well controlled right now.
She does have some trouble sleeping, eating, and she states that her moods cycle mildly all day. The most severe cycling of moods happened when Seroquel was tapered. (IMO, too quickly) She remains on 25mg Seroquel (w/ the Zoloft 100) and hasn't been officially diagnosed w/ bi-polar yet. But that's the definition of bi-polar II, yes? Mood swings?
My own pdoc stated, when I mentioned my daughter, that if there are mood swings, there's definitely bi-polar to some degree. Would that be a true statement?
Thanks - Laura
Posted by SLS on July 6, 2013, at 12:47:43
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lamdage22, posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
> she states that her moods cycle mildly all day
> but that's the definition of bi-polar II, yes? Mood swings?
More likely - cyclothymia - especially at her age.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on July 9, 2013, at 8:13:15
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lamdage22, posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
I've heard that depression in teens can take the form of mood swings. That depressed teens aren't necessarily depressed all the time. That they can feel ok, and then have bouts of feeling really depressed - sometimes for no reason at all. All within the same day.
Maybe it has something to do with hormonal instability of adolescence?
If the highs aren't really all that high, it might not actually mean bipolar. A good adolescent psychiatrist is probably the best person to keep an eye on it, and tell the difference. Especially if there's a strong family history.
My own memory of adolescent depression was one of constant misery. But it might just be that that's what I remember.
Posted by laurah952 on July 11, 2013, at 11:29:49
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Dinah on July 9, 2013, at 8:13:15
> I've heard that depression in teens can take the form of mood swings. That depressed teens aren't necessarily depressed all the time. That they can feel ok, and then have bouts of feeling really depressed - sometimes for no reason at all. All within the same day.
>
> Maybe it has something to do with hormonal instability of adolescence?
>
> If the highs aren't really all that high, it might not actually mean bipolar. A good adolescent psychiatrist is probably the best person to keep an eye on it, and tell the difference. Especially if there's a strong family history.
>
> My own memory of adolescent depression was one of constant misery. But it might just be that that's what I remember.Hi,
I've certainly considered that, and hope that it's the cause or part of the cause of her depression/mood swings. Her inability to stop cutting, and her all consuming thoughts and secret plans of fail proof suicide made me think otherwise, however, she is now much happier, outgoing, and hasn't cut in weeks. She has a new child pdoc, and I don't think I will add anymore meds to her zoloft (she'll be off seroquel soon) and we'll see how she does. If she holds steady with only minor mood swings (which could be normal adolescent moods) we may taper off zoloft slowly. I have 2 older girls who went through this (not to the same degree) at the same age, and they're fine now. (only 1 was medicated for a short time) I just have to wait and watch her closely.
Thanks - Laura
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 6:19:01
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on June 28, 2013, at 22:42:57
> > > Apparently, you continue to be given the posting privileges that allow you to express on this forum your opinions.
> > >
> > > I reset the subject line.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > I suggest babbler's petition Dr. Bob to revoke his posting privledges.
>
>
> Thank you Scott - I'm just... well, there aren't words - If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back. I came here for help, and I'm being called a murderer - my own child... just sickens me...
>
> Laura
>Laurah and friends,
Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing. Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants, which are new-borns. There is not a new-born in this discussion here, so the word has nothing to do with the poster. What was in question is Mr Hsiung' TOS here that states that he wants readers to try to trust him in that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. That statement is thousands of years old and was used by those States that had infanticide as their policy. They argued that by killing infants at birth that they thought would be a hardship to them, that in the future their state would be better. They argued that they were doing what {will be} good for their community as a whole. It is this argument that history records that I am prevented from posting about here due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying. These tactics are as ancient as infanticide. I know what they are and I do not want you to be misled in believeing that my efforts to save lives here should in any way be discrded by you when you see lies about me and what is said about me here. Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number, and the death toll will increase as the advertising of these drugs increses,if more people will be persuaded to take them. And worse than that, I am prevented by Mr Hsiung's prohibitions to me here to post what IMHHHHO could save your life and the lives of children. By this information from me being supressed, readers here can not be informed by me with the facts that I could post here if there were not the prohibitions. This could lead to a more uninformed population here, and it could then lead to an indictrination where readers are uninformed of what I could reveal to them. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed.
Lou
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