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Posted by poser938 on June 30, 2013, at 20:56:30
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by Phillipa on June 30, 2013, at 20:49:37
> Poser I hear you. Phillipa
Thank you
Posted by SLS on June 30, 2013, at 22:23:05
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by Phillipa on June 30, 2013, at 20:49:37
> Poser I hear you. Phillipa
Phillipa I hear you.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on June 30, 2013, at 22:33:43
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Emme_V2 on June 30, 2013, at 12:26:49
Hi all,
I caught up with some reading here, and as there are so many posts I want to reply to, but have limited time right now, I will re-read and reply when I'm able.
I thank many of you for your support. Thanks, Emme - I really do hope Taylor's new pdoc takes the approach I'm looking for. She has her initial intake with a therapist tomorrow, where we will make the appointment with her new pdoc. I like that they gather information before she sees the pdoc - it just seems more thorough to me. (They are well aware that we are not changing therapists - so there's no agenda.)
In the meantime, Taylor remains in a much better state than before she started on medication. It's difficult to attribute that to anything else at this time. I am still going to tread very carefully, and educate myself. More importantly, I will be looking for the desired outcome for Taylor so she will want to stay alive, and how her pain is alleviated.
I know you are not doctors; I never thought otherwise. I came back because your experiences, knowledge, and support really do help. I can handle being likened to a child murderer, even though it's so unbelievably wrong for any person to do that to another, because that person and their ways mean nothing to me. I guess I'm stronger than I thought I was. Thank you to those who have supported me.
I do hope to offer my own experiences and support to help any of you where I'm able.
Laura
Posted by SLS on June 30, 2013, at 23:22:36
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on June 30, 2013, at 20:41:07
> Scott, are you okay?
Okay enough, I suppose.
I also find it fatiguing to repeat myself at times. However, there are lots of people and lots of stories and lots of symptoms to keep track of.
> All I sound like is a broken record on this site and when talking to a psychiatrist.
Hmm.
Be that as it may, I will also offer the possibility that you have an underlying bipolar disorder, and that the drugs you have been given - antidepressants and dopamine agonists - uncovered it and made it worse.
> Went through 17 years of life being a normal functioning kid. Just normal growing up, experiencing puberty. Emotions becoming more complex as I grew. Became mildly depressed.
It happens.
> Then took medicine for this.
Which ones?
> The last one I took that had a brain disabling effect on me was Mirapex.
I simply asked you what this brain disabling effect was.
> Before taking it, I guess I was 75% my normal self. About 5 weeks after starting it I took my dose and a few hours later severe, disabling depression kicked in. I'm like this to this day.
Perhaps you can describe in more detail the symptoms or features of this depression. Was this a worsening of the original symptoms or something different?
> I made the decision to start meds based on lies from the psychiatric community
What lies?
Is being wrong a lie?
> Based on the advice I get on this site as well as socialanxietysupport.com, I do not belong on these sites.Is this your own conclusion, or have you actually been told that you don't belong on Psycho-Babble?
> I'm told I just need to be medicated to treat my progressing depression.
What would you like to do about it, now that it exists?
> I know I don't belong in a psychiatrists office.
There is always Catch 22.
> I don't belong in a psychiatric hospital.
Ditto.
> I don't belong in the real world because I'm unable to reach anywhere close to thriving.
Well, unfortunately, you are among others in that same predicament.
> So if the only advice out there to remedy my dire situation is the same BS that is spewed out by the majority of people on this site, then I conclude I belong in a grave.
I don't know where you belong.
If you do belong in a grave, I doubt that you are due to be buried any time soon.
> I hate repeating myself over and over and over only to be told I'm just mistaken or delusional for 8 years now. I can't stand being alive.
1. I do not think that you are delusional.
2. I do not know whether or not you are mistaken.
3. The BS spewed out here is quite variable.
Hopefully, someone here will spew out some BS that you find helpful.
As I detailed in my previous post, I have no doubt that drugs can produce adverse and persistent effects.
I do not know what is wrong with you. I am sorry that you should find yourself in such a frustrating and painful condition.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 30, 2013, at 23:43:19
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on June 30, 2013, at 20:51:07
> And Lou belongs on this site just as much as anyone.
Lou Pilder has been granted by the administration of Psycho-Babble an equal opportunity to submit the keystrokes he enters into his computer. You have been granted by the government an equal opportunity to own a knife.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 1, 2013, at 13:57:39
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Emme_V2 on June 30, 2013, at 12:26:49
> > If I had a child with bipolar disorder, I would opt to try psychotherapy first, followed by lithium and anticonvulsant mood stabilizers. I would then consider the need for neuroleptic antipsychotics and antidepressants. It often comes down to evaluating risk/cost versus benefit. Ideally, one would want to be treated by a pediatric psychiatrist.
>Hi - We've gone the psychotherapy route, and by itself it wasn't enough. What are the anticonvulsant mood stabilizers? Could you list a few you believe might be good ones? Also, what are neuroleptic antipsychotics? Is Seroquel in that category? I absolutely believe that I need to assess the risk versus the benefit.
I don't believe I've mentioned this before, but it may be helpful for some to know. When I first discovered Taylor's cutting, and got her into therapy, (This February) she told us that she had been depressed for 2 years. She hid it well, and it was mild enough that it went unnoticed by our family. Here we are 2 years later, and her untreated depression worsened to the point of where she had to be hospitalized. Even the therapy was not enough. She became so completely obsessed with suicide that she barely had time for anything else. She wrote pages and pages and pages about how she was going to kill herself in a completely fail safe way. She set a date for this as well.
I believe 100% that the medication (seroquel and Zoloft) along with therapy drastically reduced the suicidal ideation, and gave her what she needed to start going out with friends again, and finding joy in her life. She's not "out of the woods" but has made remarkable improvement.
Thanks,
Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 1, 2013, at 14:21:15
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 1, 2013, at 13:57:39
Hi all,
I posted here last night from an iPad, and I can't find it. I guess the transmission didn't complete.
I addressed all the issues being talked about here, and thanked those who stood up to Lou for "likening me" to a child murderer, when he changed my thread's header, using the word infanticide. A line was crossed there, causing me much pain.
I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am. I have to be for my daughter's sake. Many of you have been very supportive and I need that, so I thank you once again.
I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
- Laura
Posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 15:16:23
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 1, 2013, at 14:21:15
> I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am.
I had no doubts.
> I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.<big smile>
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 1, 2013, at 16:46:16
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 15:16:23
> > I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am.
>
> I had no doubts.
>
> > I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
>
> <big smile>
>
>
> - ScottThank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
- Laura
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2013, at 18:08:36
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 1, 2013, at 14:21:15
> Hi all,
>
> I posted here last night from an iPad, and I can't find it. I guess the transmission didn't complete.
>
> I addressed all the issues being talked about here, and thanked those who stood up to Lou for "likening me" to a child murderer, when he changed my thread's header, using the word infanticide. A line was crossed there, causing me much pain.
>
> I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am. I have to be for my daughter's sake. Many of you have been very supportive and I need that, so I thank you once again.
>
> I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
>
> - Laural,
You wrote,[...Lou causing me...].
Please do not post what could constitute using me as a {scapegoat}. The words in my subject line have nothing to do with you as I have posted here. The words with scrambled letters and such are code words for my own purposes and not directed to you.
I am concerned with he dynamics of attributing blame to me here, even though Mr Hsiung is allowing it toward me here even though his rules state that members here would be protected from scapegoating and such, and I took him at his word. You see, scapegoating is a hostile social-psychological discrediting routine by which people move blame to someone. This has been revealed to me as a part of what I am trying to do here to stop hatred toward others being allowed by Mr Hsiung and his past deputies and deputy now, because it has been revealed to me that as long as hate is allowed to be posted here, then depression and addiction and death can abound.
You see, I know what causes children to be depressed and want to kill themselves. And you may know by now that I am prohibited to post here what could bring your child
Posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 20:08:07
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by SLS on June 30, 2013, at 23:22:36
> Be that as it may, I will also offer the possibility that you have an underlying bipolar disorder, and that the drugs you have been given - antidepressants and dopamine agonists - uncovered it and made it worse.
> I started out with mild to moderate depression with adjustment disorder. Now I have sever depression, agorophobia, body dysmorphic disorder,, anhedonia, absence of affect and some very light tar dive dyskinesia.>
> Which ones?
> Cymbalta, Geodon, Adder all, Aricept, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Effexor, Cyproheptadine, Ritalin, Mirapex, Tianeptine, low dose Amisulpride, Risperdal, Seroquel, Saphris, Latuda, Flumazenil (yes my pdoc prescribed this) Prozac, Deplin, Remeron, Lamictal, Celexa and I've done rTMS.> > The last one I took that had a brain disabling effect on me was Mirapex.
>
> I simply asked you what this brain disabling effect was.
> the severe mood problem i listed above is what Mirapex and a few other meds have caused for me. Mainly Mirapex and Effexor.> Perhaps you can describe in more detail the symptoms or features of this depression. Was this a worsening of the original symptoms or something diffent.
> the person I am now with this depression in no way resembles how I was the day before my first appointment with a psychiatrist.
> What lies?
>
> Is being wrong a lie?
> please don't tell me you believe many truths have been hidden by the psychiatric community? Do you honestly believe drug companies as well as many psychiatrists were in the dark about increased suicidal tendencies, or new suicidal thoughts until around 2004? Please don't tell me the psychiatric community is in the dark about tar dive dyskinesia. Or Dopamine Agonist Withdrawal Syndrome. The science points to it so well.They fight it many times in court. For years. The drug companies know the ins and outs of their drugs as well or better than anyone. They knew all about the increased suicidal and homicidal tendencies even before Prozac was released in 1987. And much of the public plays dumb for the drug companies. Im not sure what the main public view on the rumors of increased suicidal thoughts caused by these meds was in 1993, but I'm thinking its the same view it has on Tardive Dysphoria today. With most calling it unbelievable. And discrediting those who say they suffer from it. I'm sure this hurts at least as much as someone being accused of infanticide.
> Is this your own conclusion, or have you actually been told that you don't belong on Psycho-Babble?
> my own conclusion.>
> What would you like to do about it, now that it exists?
> Deep Brain Stimulation. If that doesn't help, I wonder if they would do physician assisted suicide for me.
> > I know I don't belong in a psychiatrists office.
>
> There is always Catch 22.
>
> > I don't belong in a psychiatric hospital.
>
> Ditto.
>
> > I don't belong in the real world because I'm unable to reach anywhere close to thriving.
>
> Well, unfortunately, you are among others in that same predicament.
>
> > So if the only advice out there to remedy my dire situation is the same BS that is spewed out by the majority of people on this site, then I conclude I belong in a grave.
>
> I don't know where you belong.
>
> If you do belong in a grave, I doubt that you are due to be buried any time soon.
>
> > I hate repeating myself over and over and over only to be told I'm just mistaken or delusional for 8 years now. I can't stand being alive.
>
> 1. I do not think that you are delusional.
>
> 2. I do not know whether or not you are mistaken.
>
> 3. The BS spewed out here is quite variable.
>
> its all "you should try this pill"
Basically a more in depth and a bit more personalized version of WebMD.
Posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 20:33:02
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 20:08:07
And I also experience psychomotor retardation as well as restless legs syndrome that was caused by Effexor and worsened by Mirapex.
Posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 21:24:57
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 1, 2013, at 16:46:16
Hi Laura.
Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
Sad, really.
- Scott> > > I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am.
> >
> > I had no doubts.
> >
> > > I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
> >
> > <big smile>
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
>
> - Laura
Posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 21:42:02
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 21:24:57
What I'm getting at is its taken more seriously in this world when someone has their feelings hurt than when someone has their brain ruined.
Posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 21:58:05
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 21:42:02
> What I'm getting at is its taken more seriously in this world when someone has their feelings hurt than when someone has their brain ruined.
But that doesn't make it sound much better, does it?
I'm not meaning to hurt any feelings. I guess I'm just writing like this because I'm not a strong person.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2013, at 22:05:44
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on June 28, 2013, at 15:37:36
> Lou, just do it one time. Come on, post what it is that you supposively can't post. Let us know your whole opinion, you're allowed to post it.
>
> What I've experienced with psychiatric meds shows me that much of what you write has credibility. But stop acting like Dr Bob is keeping you from posting certain information. And it in no way benefits your goal to constantly change the subject line.poser,
You wrote,[...Lou...post what it is that you supposedly can't post...much of what you write has credibility...acting like (Mr Hsiung)is keeping you from posting certain information...].
The prohibitions to me here from Mr Hsiung are numerous. Each one creates a great gulf in front of me that I can not pass over. And what is on the other side is the new realm that one can go to and have a new life, free from addiction and depression. The prohibitions to me here keep me from posting what has been revealed to me that could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions, and save the lives of children that had no choice but to take mind-altering drugs given them by a parent that went to a psychiatrist/doctor and led the parent to believe that drugging their child could make them better.
What I could write here would come from a Jewish perspective, which Mr Hsiung has prohibited me from posting that as revealed to me. And worse than that, anti-Semitism is allowed to stand here and my requests and notifications for years remain outstanding. Mr Hsiung says that it may be good to see my posts not responded to. And as long as hatred toward the Jews is allowed to stand here, and as long as my requests/notifications to Mr Hsiung remain outstanding, and as long as scapegoating is allowed to stand here, the mysteries that have been revealed to me, I can not share with you here. This is because Mr Hsiung says that he is doing what will be good for this community as a whole. Time will be the judge of that.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2013, at 22:38:51
In reply to correction: Lou's request-Dr. Gary Kohls, posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2013, at 8:06:16
> > > > Let us reason together. Do chemicals that have been used in insecticides and in the commission of mass-murder have healing properties?
> > > Nicotine is an insecticide and a potentially useful stimulant with potential therapeutic use.
> > >
> > > > Has there ever been anyone cured by using mind-altering drugs?
> > > How many drugs of any kind cure a chronic condition on their own? Is there a pharmaceutical cure for diabetes?
> > >
> > > Some mind-altering drugs appear to be useful at curing acute conditions. For example, I believe ibogaine is used to treat opioid withdrawal symptoms.
> > >
> > > Mind-altering drugs can be the catalyst to make other forms of therapy effective, thus playing a part in curing various mental health issues. Psychiatric drugs in general may be enough to stabilize a patient so that they are able to benefit from other forms of therapy that ultimately cure their condition. MDMA is useful when combined with psychotherapy in treating issues like PTSD.
> > >
> > > > Do the psychiatrists/doctors now claim that psychotropic drugs cure anything or do they now take the position that they are using the drugs to treat symptoms?
> > > I've never met any medical professional who said psychotropic drugs cure anything.
> > >
> > > > Do chemicals address the underlying cause of depression?
> > > The underlying cause of depression may vary, but there is no procedure to effectively determine the cause. In my case, symptoms point to a dopaminergic cause - perhaps low dopamine receptor density. There are chemicals that can apparently increase dopamine receptor density but none that work as antidepressants. However, there are chemicals that increase the amount of dopamine available, thus creating an antidepressant effect.
> > >
> > > > And if one takes these drugs for just a few weeks, can they become addicted to the drug so that if they stop the drug they could go into a hellish withdrawal and kill themselves thinking that they could never live in that state and that they would be better off dead?
> > > "dependent" is a much better word to use here than "addicted".
> > > Depends on the drug. Not every drug has major acute withdrawal symptoms. I prefer drugs and dosing patterns that do not result in major acute withdrawal symptoms upon abrupt discontinuation, but if I do take one that does, I like to have a plan and adequate supply to gradually taper or some other way to combat withdrawal. And I personally avoid long-term or frequent use of any drug that is likely to result in post-acute withdrawal syndrome.
> > > Suicidal ideation due to a temporary unpleasant state is an unfortunate reaction, and the best way to avoid this is to prevent that temporary unpleasant state from occurring. In other words, don't abruptly discontinue any drugs with nasty withdrawal symptoms, and even better, avoid taking those drugs in the first place unless the benefits of the drug over other options outweigh the risk.
> > > Note that sometimes abrupt discontinuation of one drug could be safe when immediately switching to a sufficiently similar drug (such as switching from a SSRI to Prozac with its long half-life), or introducing another drug that will adequately resolve withdrawal symptoms (I have used tianeptine to go cold turkey on Zoloft with minimal discomfort, for example, and as I mentioned earlier ibogaine seems to end acute opioid withdrawal symptoms)
> > >
> > > > And when the doctor/psychiatrist gives the child the drug to take and tells the parent that the child has to take it for weeks before it "works", whatever that could mean, and then the psychiatrist says to he mom to stop the drug, does not the psychiatrist know that the child now could be an addict at age 14?
> > > "addict" is not the right word to use here.
> > > If the doctor/psychiatrist instructs someone to abruptly discontinue a drug with major withdrawal symptoms, they were probably not competent enough to prescribe the drug in the first place. This probably happens fairly often, and that's why I try to extensively research every drug I am prescribed, especially reading a variety of anecdotal reports that may indicate issues not reported in the PI sheet or in any published articles.
> > >
> > > > And if grown people can not get off these drugs and say that the withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal, how could a child deal with such horror and while mom is asleep, kill themselves?
> > > As I said before, this horror is entirely avoidable by education and finding an alternative to abrupt discontinuation.
> > >
> > > > I KNOW THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF DEPRESSION IN CHILDREN AND HOW TO FREE THE CHILD FROM ADDICTION AND DEPRESSION
> > > Once again, "addiction" is not the right word to use, and not every child (or adult) taking a psychiatric drug is dependent on that drug. Depression has many possible symptoms, none of which are universal among all depressed people, and many potential causes. To claim there is a single underlying cause completely contradicts all modern research into depression and mental health, and there is no universal treatment for depression or for safely discontinuing substances one may be dependent upon.
> >
> > antennastoheaven,
> > You wrote,[...not every drug has major acute withdrawal symptoms...]
> > If your claim here means that you know which drugs do, and which drugs do not have major withdrawal symptoms, then if you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. What is a major withdrawal symptom?
> > B. What is not a major withdrawal symptom
> > C. Some drugs that have major withdrawal symptoms are:
> > D. Some drugs that do not have major withdrawal symptoms are:
> > E. Do you or do you not advise a mother to drug their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist with Zoloft and/or Seroquel combined or alone?
> > Lou
> > For interested readers, here is a video. To see this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B Tpe in:
> > [youtube,GOgHIA0aMKE]
> > Dr. Gary Kohls
>
> Friends,
> To see the video, bring up Google and type in:
> [psychotropic drugs, The Hidden Dangers, Dr Gary Kohls]Friends,
If you are interested in this discussion, I am requesting that you view the following video.
To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, g7rACI-WJEw]
A page will come up. The video is usuall the first. But to make sure, look at the colored strip URL and see the g7rACI-WJEw
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2013, at 1:47:28
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 21:24:57
> > > > I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am.
> > >
> > > I had no doubts.
> > >
> > > > I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
> > >
> > > <big smile>
> >
> > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
>
> Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.
Bob
Posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:15:56
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 1, 2013, at 21:58:05
> > What I'm getting at is its taken more seriously in this world when someone has their feelings hurt than when someone has their brain ruined.
>
> But that doesn't make it sound much better, does it?
> I'm not meaning to hurt any feelings. I guess I'm just writing like this because I'm not a strong person.I apologize, Poser. You are quite strong, actually.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:27:22
In reply to Re: the good fight, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2013, at 1:47:28
> > > > > I didn't think I was strong enough to be here with that happening, but I am.
> > > >
> > > > I had no doubts.
> > > >
> > > > > I also hope to share my experiences and support where I'm able, and become a helpful and active participant here.
> > > >
> > > > <big smile>
> > >
> > > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
> >
> > Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
>
> I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
>
> IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.Perhaps you can address each and every individual who is addressed or referred to by Lou Pilder that they are fighting the good fight? Psycho-Babble might then pick up a few new customers as the old ones are lost to "attrition".
I'll write more on the Administration board if I end up having anything more to say.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 9:05:01
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 1, 2013, at 21:24:57
Hi Laura.
Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
Sad, really.
- Scott
Hi Scott,I'm getting used to the dynamic here, and while there may be adverse side effects, I believe the benefits outweigh the risks. (sorry, couldn't help myself) :)
There are some wonderful people here, and I'm learning as I read about what everyone is going through. Along with everyone's help with my questions, for which I am extremely grateful, when I see a new psychiatric term, or medicine I've not already taken myself, I have been researching it as it pertains to myself or to my daughter.
I believe that in order to help my daughter, I need to have as much knowledge as I can obtain to effectively converse with both her pdoc and her therapist. I find that here!
Thanks again,
Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 11:33:28
In reply to Re: the good fight » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:27:22
> > > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
> >
> > Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
>
> I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
>
> IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.Perhaps you can address each and every individual who is addressed or referred to by Lou Pilder that they are fighting the good fight? Psycho-Babble might then pick up a few new customers as the old ones are lost to "attrition".
Hi all,
I feel that I should respond here. When I said "fight the good fight" it was meant to be an all encompassing phrase as it pertains to Taylor, as well as subjecting myself to the accusatory demeanor some may have concerning decisions I may make for her. I wasn't sure that I could handle that, as I stand before you already on shaky ground in dealing with my own depression and anxiety disorder. My feelings weren't hurt; I had a panic attack, and the shock factor, to me, was extreme. If any of you are fighting for your child's life and well being, you may understand that I'm going through hell, and feel like an exposed nerve. The stress is taking its toll on my health.
With that said, the initial "shock" is over and done with. I have come to understand that medicating children is controversial, and need to ignore any shots fired at me directly or indirectly, as a parent never gives up. However, I would rather receive that information in a helpful, constructive manner, as now I will not read from a certain poster. I will ignore such indignations, as previously stated by Scott, because of the people here who support me and have been so helpful.
I was looking around the board, and it struck me as strange how few members are actively posting. I then realized, as previously stated, why that may be. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and they should be shared here, but when you're new here and blindsided with an accusitory / inflammatory post, you will probably end up looking for another venue.
I can't help but suggest that even before Lou has a chance to "attack" a new member, they be forewarned? I suppose that won't happen, but it probably would have staved off my panic attack. I am all for reading posts from people who are against psychiatry/medication when put forth in a well intentioned and useful manner, backed by their own experiences. We can then focus on the issues we're here to learn about/help with, and not spend so much time with all the drama. (I apologetically include myself)
- Laura
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 2, 2013, at 12:21:31
In reply to Re: the good fight, posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 11:33:28
> > > > Thank you, Scott- your support is continually giving me inspiration to "fight the good fight"!
> > >
> > > Please don't take the bait. Don't take it personally. You are not unique in being the recipient of such indignations. Here, to remain silent is to win.
> >
> > I thought when laurah said "the good fight", she meant the fight for Taylor.
> >
> > IMO, to find that one's stronger than one thought is to win. And blocking Lou doesn't achieve that.
>
> Perhaps you can address each and every individual who is addressed or referred to by Lou Pilder that they are fighting the good fight? Psycho-Babble might then pick up a few new customers as the old ones are lost to "attrition".
>
> Hi all,
>
> I feel that I should respond here. When I said "fight the good fight" it was meant to be an all encompassing phrase as it pertains to Taylor, as well as subjecting myself to the accusatory demeanor some may have concerning decisions I may make for her. I wasn't sure that I could handle that, as I stand before you already on shaky ground in dealing with my own depression and anxiety disorder. My feelings weren't hurt; I had a panic attack, and the shock factor, to me, was extreme. If any of you are fighting for your child's life and well being, you may understand that I'm going through hell, and feel like an exposed nerve. The stress is taking its toll on my health.
>
> With that said, the initial "shock" is over and done with. I have come to understand that medicating children is controversial, and need to ignore any shots fired at me directly or indirectly, as a parent never gives up. However, I would rather receive that information in a helpful, constructive manner, as now I will not read from a certain poster. I will ignore such indignations, as previously stated by Scott, because of the people here who support me and have been so helpful.
>
> I was looking around the board, and it struck me as strange how few members are actively posting. I then realized, as previously stated, why that may be. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and they should be shared here, but when you're new here and blindsided with an accusitory / inflammatory post, you will probably end up looking for another venue.
>
> I can't help but suggest that even before Lou has a chance to "attack" a new member, they be forewarned? I suppose that won't happen, but it probably would have staved off my panic attack. I am all for reading posts from people who are against psychiatry/medication when put forth in a well intentioned and useful manner, backed by their own experiences. We can then focus on the issues we're here to learn about/help with, and not spend so much time with all the drama. (I apologetically include myself)
>
> - LauraFriends,
It is written here,[...if any of you are fighting for your child's life and well being...].
I am fighting here for all the children of the world to save their life and well being, for I am a parent to all children.
What I know about mind-altering drugs could astound you. And what I know about how these drugs can ruin a child's life could give you a whole new understanding about the choice one has if they are considering drugging their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. This knowledge that I have is prohibited by Mr Hsiung for me to post here due to the numerous prohibitions to me by him. This could lead people to have a deficient understanding of the nature of the potential for psychiatric drugs to kill your child. Readers here do not have that information from me, they are uninformed of what I know about these drugs. And it's so easy to persuade the uninformed.
Parents, look at the hate that is allowed to be fostered here by Mr Hsiung by him allowing scapegoating of me for member's real or imagined ills. You could think that it is supportive for the administrator here to be in concert with the promotion of hate being allowed to stand. And even worse, in particular but not limited to, anti-Semitic hate is allowed to stand here. And look at all the people here that want me sanctioned while all the defamation toward me and hatred toward the Jews is permitted to abound. And those that want to shut my mouth will deprive others of the knowledge that I have that IMHHHHO could save their lives or the lives of their child, prevent addictions and life-ruining conditions. All of the excuses here to allow the hate is just a transparent attempt to engender sympathy where no sympathy is deserved.
And the members here are allowed to say that I post what is negative. And the members here are allowed to post that I abuse the rules. And it is allowed here to post anti_Judaism defamation. And it is allowed here for people to try to break me and slander me and there is encouragement by Mr Hsiung by him being in concert with some of them and allows the opposing of Judaism.
Where does this (expletive) come from? Do you know? Is state-sponsored hate something new?
Here is a video.
Lou
To see this video, bring up Google and the type in:
[youtube,UDv1aqbWRE0]
Posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 12:39:41
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:15:56
> > > What I'm getting at is its taken more seriously in this world when someone has their feelings hurt than when someone has their brain ruined.
> >
> > But that doesn't make it sound much better, does it?
> > I'm not meaning to hurt any feelings. I guess I'm just writing like this because I'm not a strong person.
>
> I apologize, Poser. You are quite strong, actually.
>
>
> - ScottHi Poser,
I don't believe that anyone thinks that hurt feelings are taken more seriously than your condition. I certainly don't.
I've read your posts and I'm sorry for all you're going through. I can't imagine your pain. You're here, which means you haven't given up, and I agree with Scott that you're stronger than you think you are.
Thank you for telling your story; I'm paying close attention, and I hope it means something to you that you have helped me by listing the meds you've been on along with your diagnoses. I know you don't believe that a psychiatrist can help you, so I won't interject, but I do believe that help is out there, and that you can find it if you persevere. I'll say it again, that I believe you are stronger than you think you are.
- Laura
Posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2013, at 18:04:05
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 12:39:41
Hi Laura you are an incredible person and Mother to Taylor. How lucky she is to have you for a Mom.
And I feel you are a very forgiving person. Seems many leave as a result of what happened to you here on your thread. Phillipa
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