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Posted by schleprock on February 27, 2013, at 16:10:40
In reply to Psychiatry destroyed my life!, posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2013, at 5:38:50
Psychiatry also destroyed my life. His name was Ronald R. Rawitt, MD.
Posted by poser938 on February 27, 2013, at 17:18:14
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life!, posted by schleprock on February 27, 2013, at 16:10:40
And psychiatry also ruined my life.
Posted by SLS on February 27, 2013, at 18:07:57
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » SLS, posted by herpills on February 27, 2013, at 15:28:25
> Perhaps the message is proceed with caution?
I suppose.
- Scott
Posted by joe schmoe on February 27, 2013, at 19:01:09
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » herpills, posted by SLS on February 27, 2013, at 18:07:57
Well psychiatry saved mine. No way I could have been working for the last several decades without it.
Meds are not an exact science, but nothing in medicine is.
Since a lot of mental illnesses appear, or get worse, as people are in their late teens and twenties, I have to wonder about people who got treatment early, got worse, and blame it on the meds. I remember recreational drugs getting a similar bad rap in the 60's and 70's because people were usually taking them in high school or college, and some of them developed mental illnesses like schizophrenia soon after. Of course the problem is, that is the exact age when people are developing these illnesses, which they were going to get anyway, whether they did drugs or not. But since drugs were something that changed consciousness, it was a natural association to make between taking them and getting mental illness not long after.
Not saying that no one has a bad reaction to meds. Just that when someone gets mental illness in their early 20's, it may be that it was going to happen anyway, it's hard to disentangle correlation and causation in these cases.
Posted by Phil on February 27, 2013, at 19:09:01
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life!, posted by joe schmoe on February 27, 2013, at 19:01:09
Agree 100%.
Posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2013, at 20:54:21
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » joe schmoe, posted by Phil on February 27, 2013, at 19:09:01
How come destroyed your lives? I know that without benzos with the panic I never would have made it. It was the first ad that I curse daily. I want off of them now. But some need meds for illnesses worse than anxiety. Michael Kermit Nunn was the doc that ruined me. In New Bern NC now It think unless finally lost his licence. Phillipa
Posted by Tomatheus on February 27, 2013, at 22:17:02
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life!, posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2013, at 5:41:44
> But hey.. making good profit off of desperate peoples feelings. Sitting together, deciding that almost all human behavior is a disease. YOU are the disease if you believe in this b*llsh*t.
Lamdage22,
If you don't believe that mental illnesses are real, then why do you state that you're very depressed with severe PTSD in your signature?
I can understand and even identify with psychiatric medications not working well and even making some problems worse, especially in the long run. Taking out your frustration on psychiatry is understandable, as far as I'm concerned, when the very treatments that are supposed to help us sometimes make matters worse or create new problems.
It sounds like you regret ever having received psychiatric treatment. Am I correct in guessing this? While I can see why someone in your position would regret ever having sought psychiatric treatment, I cannot say the same about my case. You say that psychiatry destroyed your life, but for me, it's prolonged sleep deprivation that most likely destroyed my life by causing a debilitating fatigue. Psychiatry attempted to repair the damage, as did psychology. Both failed, and psychiatry may have made matters worse by possibly contributing to the development of psychotic symptoms. Am I unhappy with the way I've responded to psychiatric treatment? You bet. I took a gamble by seeking psychiatric treatment, and I certainly haven't won. But would I have been able to live with a decision to have completely sidestepped psychiatric treatment and just accept life with a debilitating fatigue? I don't think that I would have. Maybe you only consider your life to be destroyed now that you've received psychiatric treatment, but when your life is already destroyed by the symptoms of a chronic illness, you need to act, and you need to take chances. That's what I did, and things haven't turned out for the best, but I think it would have been foolish of me to have done things differently.
Just my opinion...
Tomatheus
Posted by Tomatheus on February 27, 2013, at 22:19:46
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » joe schmoe, posted by Phil on February 27, 2013, at 19:09:01
> Agree 100%.
Same here. Joe's post was a good one.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 2, 2013, at 5:26:35
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on February 27, 2013, at 22:17:02
Well, the signature is old..
I just cant see how a non-functioning is an illness. Yes, my goal was to say be cautious about what you are doing with these meds. And to get some consolation as well.
When i sought psychiatric treatment, i had somewhat of more social anxiety than others and i was a little depressed. Now i am diagnosed with every disorder known to man. Lots things definitely got worse.
The things ive said while on medication are just completely out of character and i have social damage from it.
Thomatheus, we have similar issues.. the treatment of my deppression resulted in some psychotic episodes.
Im thinking about going back to St. Johns Wort and Homeopathic treatment.. as i dont remember any negative effects from those.. and i made it through high school with St Johns Wort.
For me it was also that i did hide behind my so called illnesses. When i read on the internet about Medication and all that i started to let myself go.. to think: "Its an imbalance in my brain.. i can just let myself go and wait for the right pill to fix my problem". Its a nice world that psychiatry allowed me to live in. Unfortunately, it cant live up to the expectations.
Another thing i cant understand: If psychiatry says that too much dopamine results in psychosis.. Then why do i have symptoms of LOW dopamine when i am medication free? Things aint that easy.
I think of psychiatry as more of a belief system than science. Bite me :)
> > But hey.. making good profit off of desperate peoples feelings. Sitting together, deciding that almost all human behavior is a disease. YOU are the disease if you believe in this b*llsh*t.
>
> Lamdage22,
>
> If you don't believe that mental illnesses are real, then why do you state that you're very depressed with severe PTSD in your signature?
>
> I can understand and even identify with psychiatric medications not working well and even making some problems worse, especially in the long run. Taking out your frustration on psychiatry is understandable, as far as I'm concerned, when the very treatments that are supposed to help us sometimes make matters worse or create new problems.
>
> It sounds like you regret ever having received psychiatric treatment. Am I correct in guessing this? While I can see why someone in your position would regret ever having sought psychiatric treatment, I cannot say the same about my case. You say that psychiatry destroyed your life, but for me, it's prolonged sleep deprivation that most likely destroyed my life by causing a debilitating fatigue. Psychiatry attempted to repair the damage, as did psychology. Both failed, and psychiatry may have made matters worse by possibly contributing to the development of psychotic symptoms. Am I unhappy with the way I've responded to psychiatric treatment? You bet. I took a gamble by seeking psychiatric treatment, and I certainly haven't won. But would I have been able to live with a decision to have completely sidestepped psychiatric treatment and just accept life with a debilitating fatigue? I don't think that I would have. Maybe you only consider your life to be destroyed now that you've received psychiatric treatment, but when your life is already destroyed by the symptoms of a chronic illness, you need to act, and you need to take chances. That's what I did, and things haven't turned out for the best, but I think it would have been foolish of me to have done things differently.
>
> Just my opinion...
>
> Tomatheus
Posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 14:07:03
In reply to Psychiatry destroyed my life!, posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2013, at 5:38:50
There are good psychiatrists and bad psychiatrists. Just remember that the drugs they dole out do not cause permanent changes.
Eric
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 2, 2013, at 15:50:15
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 14:07:03
> There are good psychiatrists and bad psychiatrists. Just remember that the drugs they dole out do not cause permanent changes.
>
> EricFriends,
It is writen here,
[...the drugs they dole out do not cause permanent changes...].
If the statement by the poster here was true, the drugs that they dole out could not cause death, but they can.
If the staement was true, the drugs cold not cause tardive dyskinesia, which can be a lifetime of misery.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause diabetes, but they can and lead to blindness, amputations and death.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brth defects, but they can
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brian damage, not reversible, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs coul not cause a withdrawal syndrome more horrific than street drugs, that can last a lifetime, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a mind-altered state to compel one to oomplete a suicide, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a blood disease that can lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause liver disease that vcould lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause one to lose their sexuality, but they can.
and on and on and on....
Now you parents reading this that are wanting to make a decision as to drug your child in colaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, be advised that Mr Hsiung has posted numerous prohibitions to me here that prevent me from posting what I think could save your child's life, prevent life-ruinig conditions and addictions, and give you enlightening educational material that could mark the difference between your child killing themselves and/or others or going on with their life without the fear of the drug taking over their minds an killing them. You see, once the drug is establised into the minds of children, you can see that when they do not do what they hoped for, then others here can tell them to find another drug, then another drug, then combinations of drugs, and as they are growing, the drug(s) could kill them or they could kill themselves before they find the drug that they are serching for that they are told will "work", whatever that could mean.
Mommas, don't let your sons grow up to be drug-boys.
Lou
Posted by schleprock on March 2, 2013, at 18:06:54
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroyed my life! » Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 14:07:03
> There are good psychiatrists and bad psychiatrists. Just remember that the drugs they dole out do not cause permanent changes.
>
> EricPlease tell that to Dr. Ronald "Lithium" Rawitt.
Posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 18:22:42
In reply to Lou's warning-kowboyz, posted by Lou PIlder on March 2, 2013, at 15:50:15
"If the statement by the poster here was true, the drugs that they dole out could not cause death, but they can.
If the staement was true, the drugs cold not cause tardive dyskinesia, which can be a lifetime of misery.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause diabetes, but they can and lead to blindness, amputations and death.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brth defects, but they can
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brian damage, not reversible, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs coul not cause a withdrawal syndrome more horrific than street drugs, that can last a lifetime, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a mind-altered state to compel one to oomplete a suicide, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a blood disease that can lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause liver disease that vcould lead to death, but they can.
If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause one to lose their sexuality, but they can."A lot of different drugs can cause these problems. What's your point?
Psychotropic drugs do not instill changes in the structure of the brain.
Eric
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:16:49
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-kowboyz » Lou PIlder, posted by phidippus on March 2, 2013, at 18:22:42
> "If the statement by the poster here was true, the drugs that they dole out could not cause death, but they can.
> If the staement was true, the drugs cold not cause tardive dyskinesia, which can be a lifetime of misery.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause diabetes, but they can and lead to blindness, amputations and death.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brth defects, but they can
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause brian damage, not reversible, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs coul not cause a withdrawal syndrome more horrific than street drugs, that can last a lifetime, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a mind-altered state to compel one to oomplete a suicide, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause a blood disease that can lead to death, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause liver disease that vcould lead to death, but they can.
> If the statement was true, the drugs could not cause one to lose their sexuality, but they can."
>
> A lot of different drugs can cause these problems. What's your point?
>
> Psychotropic drugs do not instill changes in the structure of the brain.
>
> EricEric,
You wrote,[...psychotropic drugs do not instill changes in the structure of the brain...].
I think differently beause I have seen some very good research that shows otherwise.
What criteria do you use, if any, to substantiate your claim here?
Lou
Posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 20:37:25
In reply to Lou's reply-duenhod » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:16:49
Research that shows they don't.
Eric
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-duenhod » Lou PIlder, posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 20:37:25
> Research that shows they don't.
>
> EricEric,
Could you pot a link here to any of those?
Lou
Posted by CamW on March 3, 2013, at 21:09:54
In reply to : Lou's reply-hynune » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
Lou, sir:
I am afraid that there are brain changes with the treatment of of psychotropic medication...
Stress- and antidepressant treatment-induced modifications of 5-HT(7) receptor functions in the rat brain.
Tokarski K, Bobula B, Grzegorzewska-Hiczwa M, Kusek M, Hess G.
Pharmacol Rep. 2012 Nov;64(6):1305-15.
PMID: 23406741 [PubMed - in process]Effects of co-administration of fluoxetine and risperidone on properties of peritoneal and pleural macrophages in rats subjected to the forced swimming test.
Roman A, Kuśmierczyk J, Klimek E, Rogóż Z, Nalepa I.
Pharmacol Rep. 2012 Nov;64(6):1368-80.
PMID: 23406747Acute working memory improvement after tDCS in antidepressant-free patients with major depressive disorder.
Oliveira JF, Zanão TA, Valiengo L, Lotufo PA, Benseñor IM, Fregni F, Brunoni AR.
Neurosci Lett. 2013 Mar 14;537:60-4. doi: 10.1016/j.neulet.2013.01.023. Epub 2013 Jan 28.
PMID: 23370288The Action of Antidepressants on the Glutamate System: Regulation of Glutamate Release and Glutamate Receptors.
Musazzi L, Treccani G, Mallei A, Popoli M.
Biol Psychiatry. 2012 Dec 27. doi:pii: S0006-3223(12)00990-0. 10.1016/j.biopsych.2012.11.009.... of course the changes are positive and beneficial.
- Cam
Posted by phidippus on March 3, 2013, at 21:57:42
In reply to : Lou's reply-hynune » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
http://askthepsych.com/atp/2009/01/06/antidepressant-brain-damage/
http://psychiatristscottsdale.com/do-antidepressants-protect-the-brain/
Here's a couple...
Eric
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2013, at 22:50:48
In reply to Re: : Lou's reply-hynune, posted by CamW on March 3, 2013, at 21:09:54
Cam,
It's good to have you back.
Thanks for the citations. I hadn't seen them before. I have been looking at glutamate and depression since 2000, but became complacent on following the most recent work in this area.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:44:02
In reply to : Lou's reply-hynune » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:41:09
Friends,
Here is a link that cites various articles showing that psychotropic drugs induce brain damage.
Lou
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptics-brain-damage
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:50:01
In reply to Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez, posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:44:02
> Friends,
> Here is a link that cites various articles showing that psychotropic drugs induce brain damage.
> Lou
> http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptics-brain-damagecorrection:
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brian-damage
Posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:53:26
In reply to Rcorecton- Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez, posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:50:01
> > Friends,
> > Here is a link that cites various articles showing that psychotropic drugs induce brain damage.
> > Lou
> > http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptics-brain-damage
>
> correction:
> http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brian-damagecorrection (2)
http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage
Posted by CamW on March 4, 2013, at 9:24:03
In reply to correction(2)- Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez, posted by Lou PIlder on March 4, 2013, at 6:53:26
Lou, sir:
More fear mongering. Why not add percentages, as to how often the above adverse effects occur?
Something must have unexpectedly happened to you, personally, for you to have this kind of animosity to psychotropics. But can you be sure that it was the psychotropics that truly resulted in what happened to you?
- Cam
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 4, 2013, at 12:33:31
In reply to Lou's reply-duenhod » phidippus, posted by Lou PIlder on March 3, 2013, at 20:16:49
Yes,
i abused them to try to tackle tasks that are way beyond my capabilities.
Whats the result? Im burned out.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 4, 2013, at 15:21:36
In reply to Re: correction(2)- Lou's reply-heyheywurdhamunkeez » Lou PIlder, posted by CamW on March 4, 2013, at 9:24:03
> Lou, sir:
>
> More fear mongering. Why not add percentages, as to how often the above adverse effects occur?
>
> Something must have unexpectedly happened to you, personally, for you to have this kind of animosity to psychotropics. But can you be sure that it was the psychotropics that truly resulted in what happened to you?
>
> - CamI can be.. if i dont take them.. no psychosis!
Social damage is the worst.. not to mention all the time i wasted on finding the "right combination" that just doesnt seem to exist. Yeah i met some women i maybe wouldnt have gotten as far with without nardil.. but guess what: Psychotic or agressive behavior made them not talk to me anymore. Same with my BROTHER..
Guess what.. i would have been better off to just fly home when all my german friends did and start doing something like everyone else. No, i wanted to prove sh*t and tried using mainly nardil to accomplish this. I could have done differently and i regret this. Now i have pretty severe social damage. And i do not know how im supposed to get anywhere in life.
For so long i relied on a drug to wake up in the morning, to face the day. In this time i have just gotten weaker speaking of character.
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