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Posted by garnet71 on February 7, 2009, at 18:00:09
In reply to My test results, posted by G-man885858 on February 7, 2009, at 14:46:47
> By the way, I got my test results yesterday from my Adrenal Stress INdex. Here it is:
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> Cortisol = Low
> DHEA = high
> Testosterone = Low
> Dihydrotestosterone = High
>
> My doctor wanted to give me licorice to treat the condition, but I've taken Licorice before and its awful - it feels like I drank 20 red bulls- heart palpitations, nervousness, etc.
>
> What do yous think?
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Hey GMan,I don't have the answers to your questions, but I just wanted to suggest creating a seperate post for advice. Hopefully Bleauberry and some of the others familar with this topic will respond.
If I was in your shoes - I would not take the licorice, but instead, take the test results to an endochronologist for a second opinion.
Maybe the licorice would be helpful in small doses taken on a regular or short-term basis, and I am very confident about herbal or alternative treatments, but with your reaction - I don't see why you should take it.
Hopefully someone will come along with better knowledge, but until then, take good care of yourself!!
Posted by garnet71 on February 7, 2009, at 20:19:23
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by G-man885858 on February 7, 2009, at 14:19:05
> Creed Rules!
-G-man
If you love Creed, then here's another one atcha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7WktLgz1lc&feature=related
Sorry a little Air Force bias there..lol. But my God, this man's voice gives me goosebumps throughout my entire body!
Can't think of a better way to decompress right now.
Posted by garnet71 on February 7, 2009, at 20:24:16
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by G-man885858 on February 7, 2009, at 14:19:05
Okay, one more, can't resist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea_iZ3NfwSU
Higher = above all the superficial bs
Posted by G-man885858 on February 7, 2009, at 22:47:33
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!! » G-man885858, posted by garnet71 on February 7, 2009, at 20:24:16
I think this is their best song:
Posted by garnet71 on February 7, 2009, at 23:10:49
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by G-man885858 on February 7, 2009, at 22:47:33
> I think this is their best song:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEijnCAg2-8------------
I almost agree except I haven't taken the mental energy to figure out what that song signifies...all I know it's along the lines of one of those songs that makes me want to drive over 100 mph then abruptly stop to pull over to have sex on the side of the road..lol..don't know if I want to know the meaning...some things are better left unsaid...sorry, couldn't help but stating my mind at the moment..decompressing here.
Posted by G-man885858 on February 10, 2009, at 1:44:51
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by garnet71 on February 7, 2009, at 23:10:49
Do u agree:
The only way a boy can ever become a man is to be beaten up by a gang of older bullies - the idea being that eventually the boy's tolerance gives in and he is FORCED to overcome his weakness and fight back.
Does that sound right to yous?
Posted by G-man885858 on February 12, 2009, at 14:01:43
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by garnet71 on February 7, 2009, at 23:10:49
Did I saw something wrong or bad?
Posted by G-man885858 on February 13, 2009, at 22:40:31
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by G-man885858 on February 10, 2009, at 1:44:51
Dear everybody,
I must tell you that my question about me being beaten up by bullies was wrong. I didn't mean to come across so selfish and narcissistic. I AM SO SORRY!
Please, I do not want to alienate myself from this forum with one stupid remark that I made.
Please forgive me. Thank you.
Posted by G-man885858 on February 14, 2009, at 4:07:33
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by G-man885858 on February 13, 2009, at 22:40:31
Dear everybody,
I must tell you that my question about me being beaten up by bullies was wrong. I didn't mean to come across so selfish and narcissistic. I AM SO SORRY!
Please, I do not want to alienate myself from this forum with one stupid remark that I made.
Please forgive me. Thank you.
Posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 9:35:02
In reply to APOLOGY, posted by G-man885858 on February 14, 2009, at 4:07:33
> Dear everybody,
>
> I must tell you that my question about me being beaten up by bullies was wrong. I didn't mean to come across so selfish and narcissistic. I AM SO SORRY!
>
> Please, I do not want to alienate myself from this forum with one stupid remark that I made.
>
> Please forgive me. Thank you.Hi G-Mann,
I think we all do this, if no-one replies we think we said something wrong. You didn't say a thing wrong! In fact, I just saw it as somthing maybe your father or brother told you and you want opinions. Please don't go get beat up by bullies!!! If you want some action join one of those early morning bootcamps!! That'll toughen anyone up (just the simple fact of getting up that early!!!)
Getting to the gym tho and getting in really excellent shape I have to say is empowering . Its not just about looks (that helps tho!) My nephew and my son both work at the gym I belong to and I have to say they are pretty buff and it gives them confidence (too much). Girls always notice that, if that helps. Don't get beat up. wrong thinking where ever it came from.
No reason, at all, for any apology. You're just moving up the threads where people stop responding. Start a new one at the bottom!
~Jade
>
>
Posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 9:53:57
In reply to Re: APOLOGY » G-man885858, posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 9:35:02
Hi again G-mann,
Two things came to mind after my first post:
First,
I was the first to reply to your post, and my response was lame as this has happened before to me (first there) and Admin said to get in touch with them which I was trying to do. Luckily Garnet answered right after me. I apologize I didn't show more empathy at the time.
Second,
sometimes as a thread gets "old" they don't show all replies anymore. So when looking at an older thread, click on whole thread or something like that (its at the top) you may have posts you can't see.
So how are you by the way? Are you better? That was quite a long thread, I hope it was helpful to you. What are you doing for yourself so you don't feel so bad again? I'm sorry, I haven't read the thread for a while. What was done to correct the problems in those tests results? (I don't know what they mean!!!)
Hope to hear from you ;-)
~Jade
Posted by G-man885858 on February 14, 2009, at 19:14:04
In reply to Re: APOLOGY/ NO NEED!!!!, posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 9:53:57
Dear JadeKelly,
God bless you! I'm trying to hang in there, but its really hard when I really have no friends, and my parents treat me like the family scapegoat (blaming me for every problem instead of taking responsibility for their mistakes).
My alternative doc said my cortisol is low, he tried me on Licorice which caused some nasty side effects. So now he wants to try IsoCort. I really hope it helps my condition!
Posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 19:51:24
In reply to Re: APOLOGY/ NO NEED!!!!, posted by G-man885858 on February 14, 2009, at 19:14:04
> Dear JadeKelly,
>
> God bless you! I'm trying to hang in there, but its really hard when I really have no friends, and my parents treat me like the family scapegoat (blaming me for every problem instead of taking responsibility for their mistakes).
>
> My alternative doc said my cortisol is low, he tried me on Licorice which caused some nasty side effects. So now he wants to try IsoCort. I really hope it helps my condition!G-Mann,
Parents can certainly do that and its painful. I'm divorced, I have twin boys 18yrs and my nephew lives with us. One of the boys became pipolar1 and that didn't fit in dad's plan I geuss. He thought he'd beat it out of him. My son didn't talk to him for a year.
I don't know your parents, and they are probably just unenlightened in the world we live in, meaning disorders of the mind. How old are you by the way?Have you ever seen a PDoc or have you stuck with alternative Docs the whole time? are the treatments you are taking for cortisol alternative? Have you ever taken a Psychiatric med? what and for how long? I geuss my point is alternative or not, sounds like it isn't working for ya. When you feel like you did on your first post, It may be time to reconsider some things.
Let me know whats going on!
~Jade-PS what is your dx? sounds like maybe part SP?
Posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 19:55:28
In reply to Re: APOLOGY/ NO NEED!!!!, posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 19:51:24
Oops, went back and read first post.No need to repeat anything!
Your friend, Jade
Posted by G-man885858 on February 14, 2009, at 20:07:01
In reply to Re: APOLOGY/ NO NEED!!!!, posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 19:55:28
I LOVE ALL OF YOU!!!
Posted by Cseagraves on February 15, 2009, at 20:19:22
In reply to Suicidal, please help!!, posted by G-man885858 on January 31, 2009, at 0:22:56
G-man,
Hi there!
Read all the post regarding your thread. I so understand everything you are going through. Same as you, I cannot take anything else. I have been through almost every ssri, tca's and then last week gave in to taking an maoi. They may work well for others, but as usual, my body had a severe reaction to the med (Marplan). Out of all the meds I have taken which, I have had awful reactions to, after my 4th day on Marplan I just wanted to die. I don't mean suicidal but I just felt that if I died, it would be better. Pdoc immediately took me off.
That's not the kind of person I am and that is not how I think. I have never felt that way before. Life to me has always been a gift and worth battling this condition.
I have hit my wall and decided that I am just done with most all of this. I have severe gad and agoraphobia, which most of the ppls here know because I have been seeking advice about meds and treatments for quite a while.
I understand that everyone's system is different and how our bodies respond to these meds is different. I am to the point that I don't believe I have a chemical imbalance and that is why my body responds the way it does to the meds. I believe that I have a thought processing problem.
All I know is that for me, I can't do this anymore. I am physically, mentally and emotionally worn out. I can't handle the ups and downs, the feeling nauseous, the insominia and worry.
I have not had this condition since I was young, nor have I been battling this most of my life. It only came on slowly over the last 5 years and I did not become agoraphobic up until this last year.
I have had several evaulations from therapists and to sum it all up my stress levels hit their peaks. Yes, I had an abusive childhood and as a teenager until I could get away from my father. I had an abusive first husband, but was always considered the strong one in the family and the one everyone could lean on.
Then from the ages of 35 to 40 I had some more extremely stressful situations hit and I guess my body just finally broke down. When I was tested, my cortisol levels were through the roof, my dhea was extremely high, my testosterone was high and I had literally no estrogen or progesterone. My adrenals were in total fatigue and over stressed. My body was also deficient in Vitamin D and calcium (which caused me to develop osteoporosis) although I have always been very athletic.
I guess you could say that my body was and is rejecting everything.
I am not recommending this to you because when it comes to how you feel and how you want to handle it, it is definately a personal choice that only you can make.
For me, I have decided to take a different path. Since I know that the only meds my body can handle at very low dosages are zanax and remeron, I am going to use them in combination with intensive CBT.
From what I have read, if successful, the remission rate is higher using CBT than using any type of med for my condition.
I used this week to speak with several psychologist who specialize with severe anxiety and agoraphobia. Many say they do, but I wanted to find someone who didn't use the old standard desensitation methods. I wanted someone who really knows what the hell they are doing.
I also had to come to the understanding myself that the harder I try to control this condition, the worse and harder it is going to be to get past it. I know that with alot of work and determination, this is curable. Going through this process can't be any worse than what I go through everytime I try a new med. So as of right now, what I am doing for me is:
CBT (finding a good therapist is the key)
I have always kept a healthy diet, but I am fine tuning it even more.
Drinking whey protein regularly
Taking my aminos regularly (I use Chlorella. Ingredients in this supplement also help with adrenal fatigue. You can find it at www.JadeChlorella.com.
Taking more Gaba (the brains natural calming agent), L-theanine (promotes relaxation and calmness), Phosphatidyl Serine (supports and repairs nervous system), L-taurine (metabolic transmitter - can help people who suffer from manic depression),Olive leaf extract (to many health benefits to list, so you may want to look that one up), Choline (stimulatory neurotransmitter). If you can, find someone around you that uses "Standard Process Supplements" try to get them. You can find them usually through a nutritionist or google them to find a distributor in your area. They are great because they are pure whole supplements. They also have other supplements that help with adrenal fatigue and I will swear by them.
Meditation at least twice a day. I'm sure there are several people here who have heard this one and probably some who have tried it, but the key is that you have to commit to it.I have been meditating at least twice a day for the last week and it has helped tremendously. I am also going to tomorrow to see someone who specializes in Reiki. Sounds wonderful, so its worth a shot.
I wish I had tried this approach years ago before getting caught up in this never ending cycle of meds. This last year has been awful and for me, I think it all started when a pdoc misdiagonosed me and put me on Seroquel. I haven't been the same since.
Please know to all who may read this post, that I am not trying to say that the methods and ways that you are trying to help yourselves is wrong. If it is working for you, then I am so happy that you have been able to find something that works and makes you feel better. For me, the meds just do not work.
And who knows, this may not work for me either, but as of right now, it's all I have left. Please be kind as I cannot deal with alot of negative feedback at this point. I just want to get better and I hope G-man that you find a way for yourself also.
Never give up. One way or another, you will find a way to fix this. Everyone here is very informative, helpful, supportive and most of all caring, which goes a long way.
Love and support to all of you!
Courtney :-)
Posted by Cseagraves on February 15, 2009, at 20:39:15
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!!, posted by G-man885858 on February 7, 2009, at 22:47:33
G-man,
Sorry, but there were some other things I forgot to mention. I think it was someone else who also mentioned diet and exercise. I used to exercise regularly and now I panic at the very thought. (have no idea why), but if you could just make yourself get out and walk a little, it will help you to relax and focus.
Also the therapist I talked to recommended two things for me to start trying before my appointment. I'm sure many of us here have read several books on anxiety disorders, but the one she recommended is called "Power Over Panic" by Bronwyn Fox. Out of all the books I've read, this one is really a good one and you can download it right to your computer for about $17.00. I also ordered a CD called "Think Right Now" for anxiety and panic. It's an accelerated conditioning program that you listen to at night while you sleep. It has helped alot also.
I wish you the best!
Courtney
Posted by G-man885858 on February 15, 2009, at 20:44:05
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!! Hope this helps!, posted by Cseagraves on February 15, 2009, at 20:19:22
Dear Courtney,
Thank you so much for your input.
Do you use "Standard Process" supplements right now?
Posted by Garnet71 on February 16, 2009, at 1:48:14
In reply to Re: Suicidal, please help!! Hope this helps!, posted by Cseagraves on February 15, 2009, at 20:19:22
Posted by Cseagraves on February 16, 2009, at 9:09:06
In reply to Re: Hope this helps!, posted by G-man885858 on February 15, 2009, at 20:44:05
Hi G-man.
Hope you are doing well today.
Yes. Right now I am using two for adrenal fatique. They are called A-C Carbamide and Organically Bound Minerals. They also carry a product called Livaplex to help damage done by meds and stress.
If you can't find someone around you to give you more info on these products, let me know. I have a great friend in Ohio who is a chiropractor and nutritionist. She has her own healing center there and can give you all kinds of info on these products and if you can't find them there, she can get some products to you.
Remember mind, body and spirit, its all connected. Healing begins from within. :-)
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on February 16, 2009, at 16:05:06
In reply to Re: Hope this helps!, posted by Cseagraves on February 16, 2009, at 9:09:06
G-man,
Here's another site you might look at. I just ordered some of there products today.
www.adrenalfatigue.org
Courtney
Posted by G-man885858 on February 16, 2009, at 16:19:16
In reply to Re: Hope this helps!, posted by Cseagraves on February 16, 2009, at 16:05:06
Dear Courtney,
Standard Process sounds like a great brand, but I don't want to self-medicate and buy a product that nobody prescribed to me. I've done that a lot in the past and I wasted a lot of money that way.
Right now, I only take supplements prescribed to me by my holistic doc only. I have to trust him and do what he says.
Posted by JadeKelly on February 16, 2009, at 16:22:53
In reply to Re: Hope this helps!, posted by Cseagraves on February 16, 2009, at 16:05:06
Hi G-Mann!
You are never getting out of here. We will post and post and post. This is your new life. Get comfortable. JK But see the effect that had! haha Babble can be addicting!!! I didn't want to talk to anyone in my daily life, even family sometimes (although they are great) It just really helped me to talk openly about my "stuff" and not feel wierd about it. Make friends that don't judge me (right Courtney?, haha) You kinda feel your around people like you so you can see how others cope etc. I hope you'll stick around and get some ideas from people who have been where you are. Anyway, just wanted to say hey, hope to see ya around! If you get a bad vibe from anyone, or don't get a reply, it happens. Just stay away from that person, and know that wev'e ALL run threads or posts with zero response. Its not your post, people just didn't see it or whatever. Its not you!! Let us know how you are today. Any new plans?
Your friend,
Jade ;-)
Posted by JadeKelly on February 16, 2009, at 16:24:11
In reply to Re: Hope this helps! » Cseagraves, posted by JadeKelly on February 16, 2009, at 16:22:53
Posted by Cseagraves on February 16, 2009, at 17:34:12
In reply to Re: Hope this helps!, posted by G-man885858 on February 16, 2009, at 16:19:16
G-man,
I understand. Your holistic doc should know of Standard Process.
Wanted to also let you know that I went to see a Reiki healer today. If you get a chance, look up her site and take a look at it. It's very informative. Try to read all the information to the left. She definately helped to reduce some anxiety. www.lighthealer.net.
Maybe you can find someone in your area. I would only recommend a Master Reiki Healer and it would probably work well in conjuction with your holistic healing. :-)
O.K., I'll quit bugging you now! Just don't want you to give up.
Courtney
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