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Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 13:16:18
First of all: Don't try this at home kids! I have year long experience with psychoactive drugs, which I am not really proud of. :-( I've made a lot of mistakes, some of which I could have paid the ultimate price for - my life. Nevertheless giving up wasn't an option for me at any point.
SAD involves dysfunction of the Serotonin-, Dopamine-, GABA-, Oxytocin- and probably Norepinephrine-System.
Fact: about 30-40% of patients do not adequately respond to a treatment with first line agents (SSRIs/SNRIs). These people might be helped by long term Pregabalin/Clonazepam or MAOI-treatment. But some have to be considered "therapy resistent".
Hypothesis: Elevating levels of 5-HT, DA, GABA, NE and Oxytocin in the CNS increases the probability of making a complete recovery. Low dose of the NMDA-antagonist Cycloserine may help to "hardwire" the results in the brain.
My regimen:
2 x 300mg Moclobemide / day:
Increases levels of Serotonin and Norepinephrine.
2mg Selegiline / day:
Works on Dopamine, but leaves enough Monoamine Oxidase so that Tyramine can be broken down and no special diet has to be followed.
4 x 1.5ml of GBL / day:
Non-toxic precursor for GHB, legal in my country (but not in the US!). Increases levels of Oxytocin, GHB and probably GABA-B in the CNS. Potent anxiolytic and empathogen.
50mg Baclofen / night:
Extremely important! Never take GHB/GBL 24/7 or severe dependence and withdrawal will occur. Baclofen helps with that and you can sleep very well and resftul.
50mg Cycloserine / day:
May help to make the results permanent.
I take this from Monday-Friday. On weekends I take 2mg Klonopin / day instead of Baclofen and GBL to avoid tolerance and physical dependence.
This cocktail completely kills SA and depression. I've tried all Psychodrugs known to man (SSRIs/SNRIs, tricyclic and atypical ADs, MAOIs, Mood stabilizers, Neuroleptics, Alcohol, Benzos, Phenobarbital, Clomethiazole, Buprenorphine) but nothing works as effectively as this regimen.
What do you think?
Posted by desolationrower on January 26, 2009, at 13:52:34
In reply to I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 13:16:18
well ghb is certainly a great anxiolytic. i'd still guess methyldioxymethamphetamine is better :)
mind ranking the drugs you've tried?
also i am not sure cycloserine works the way you think.
is two days off a week enough to stave off tolerance?
-d/r
Posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 15:09:06
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by desolationrower on January 26, 2009, at 13:52:34
Yeah, the GBL-->GHB is probably the big gun in your arsenal there. God luck with continued success.
What country are you in BTW?
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 16:32:12
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 15:09:06
I'am from Germany. MDMA is for sure a great anxiolytic and empathogen, but GHB is non-toxic. ;-)
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 16:34:24
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by desolationrower on January 26, 2009, at 13:52:34
By the way: I guess GBL/GHB is the most potent drug in my regimen. I'm sure, 2 days off is enough to not get addicted, but I may consider 1 day completely off GABAergic drug.
Posted by sam K on January 26, 2009, at 16:36:13
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 16:32:12
I'm jealous you get to try ghb. Although isnt it intoxicating? And addicting? Intoxicating like drunkeness with dizzy adn tired and sloppyness.
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 16:49:10
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by sam K on January 26, 2009, at 16:36:13
Me and Gina go way back ;-). 1.5ml gon't get me fu**** up. Other persons can't tell I'm on it. But you are right, dose-response curve is very steep, 2.5ml would intoxicate me alot.
Posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 16:58:01
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 16:49:10
Isn't 50 mgs of Cycloserine a bit much? i was thinking that most studies used 5 mg's or something like that for fear extinction purposes. It may not matter at all though..
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 17:04:04
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 16:58:01
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18964681
50mg cycloserine isn't very much, for tuberculosis 500-1000mg are used.
Posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 17:04:29
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 16:58:01
FYI on D-Cycloserine , just in case you had not seen..
"These studies suggest that DCS needs to be administered on an acute rather than a chronic dosing schedule, include sufficient time for memory consolidation, and be administered together with psychological treatment that leaves sufficient room for further improvement."
from:
Augmentation treatment of psychotherapy for anxiety disorders with D-cycloserine.Hofmann SG,
Pollack MH, Otto MW.
Department of Psychology, Center for Anxiety and Related Disorders, Boston University, Boston, Massachusetts 02215, USA. shofmann@bu.eduPMID: 17227287
Posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 17:09:08
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 17:04:04
Oops, you are right. Should have checked that first..
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 17:10:33
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Jimmyboy on January 26, 2009, at 17:04:29
You're right, but I already just take 1/5fifth of a 250mg pill... I doubt there are any toxicity issues with that dose. I may consider reducing the dose further nevertheless.
Posted by bulldog2 on January 26, 2009, at 17:10:49
In reply to I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 13:16:18
> First of all: Don't try this at home kids! I have year long experience with psychoactive drugs, which I am not really proud of. :-( I've made a lot of mistakes, some of which I could have paid the ultimate price for - my life. Nevertheless giving up wasn't an option for me at any point.
>
> SAD involves dysfunction of the Serotonin-, Dopamine-, GABA-, Oxytocin- and probably Norepinephrine-System.
>
> Fact: about 30-40% of patients do not adequately respond to a treatment with first line agents (SSRIs/SNRIs). These people might be helped by long term Pregabalin/Clonazepam or MAOI-treatment. But some have to be considered "therapy resistent".
>
> Hypothesis: Elevating levels of 5-HT, DA, GABA, NE and Oxytocin in the CNS increases the probability of making a complete recovery. Low dose of the NMDA-antagonist Cycloserine may help to "hardwire" the results in the brain.
>
> My regimen:
>
> 2 x 300mg Moclobemide / day:
>
> Increases levels of Serotonin and Norepinephrine.
>
> 2mg Selegiline / day:
>
> Works on Dopamine, but leaves enough Monoamine Oxidase so that Tyramine can be broken down and no special diet has to be followed.
>
> 4 x 1.5ml of GBL / day:
>
> Non-toxic precursor for GHB, legal in my country (but not in the US!). Increases levels of Oxytocin, GHB and probably GABA-B in the CNS. Potent anxiolytic and empathogen.
>
> 50mg Baclofen / night:
>
> Extremely important! Never take GHB/GBL 24/7 or severe dependence and withdrawal will occur. Baclofen helps with that and you can sleep very well and resftul.
>
> 50mg Cycloserine / day:
>
> May help to make the results permanent.
>
> I take this from Monday-Friday. On weekends I take 2mg Klonopin / day instead of Baclofen and GBL to avoid tolerance and physical dependence.
>
> This cocktail completely kills SA and depression. I've tried all Psychodrugs known to man (SSRIs/SNRIs, tricyclic and atypical ADs, MAOIs, Mood stabilizers, Neuroleptics, Alcohol, Benzos, Phenobarbital, Clomethiazole, Buprenorphine) but nothing works as effectively as this regimen.
>
> What do you think?Sounds like a potent brew!
I myself use high dose neurontin a couple times a week and it's a great ad and social lubrcant for me. Won't take it everyday as one quickly becomes tolerant to it.
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 17:11:50
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by bulldog2 on January 26, 2009, at 17:10:49
I tried Neurontin too, I consider it even better than Pregabalin, but nothing beats GBL. :-)
Posted by sam K on January 26, 2009, at 17:32:29
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 17:11:50
Well anyway I'm really happy for you!! social anxiety is a really bad disorder. social isolation is a terrible thing. Again good luck
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 17:50:58
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by sam K on January 26, 2009, at 17:32:29
Thank you very much! Some more insights in my stack:
Moclobemide has shown to be effective in SAD, but I consider irreversible MAOIs better, therefore the add-on of low dose Selegiline. This one is a great GHB/GBL enhancer too.
Baclofen has some anxiolytic properties, but I take it mainly to not get addicted to GBL.
I just saw that 50mg Cycloserine is indeed the correct, it is so low, that toxicity shouldn't be a problem at all.
Klonopin is a good anxiolytic, but not a great socializer/empathogen. Altough 6ml of GBL is not a very high dose (about 12g of Na-GHB and narcoleptics using 9g don't get addicted) I want to play it safe and also keep other negative feedback mechanism down to a minimum.
GHB/GBL also works on endogenous opiods, which I consider an often overlooked connection in SAD. I like the "natural stuff" more than synthetic Opiods.
Posted by shasling on January 26, 2009, at 19:58:02
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by bulldog2 on January 26, 2009, at 17:10:49
I wasnt aware gbl was legal anywhere for ingestion,even for non digestive purposes its watched under some sort of scheldule,so gbl id say is not the most important factor in your aresnal but is likly the main factor,without it there would be a tremendous differance.
I posted deep in ghb groups for years,and it is very much possable to obtain.
Also if youre goung the bl route why not add the legal chemicals to use actual ghb?The fact you called it gina tells me you know how to do this easly.
gbl was actualy part of a legal supplement called RENEWTRIENT and was banned,then various names followed till everyone for ingestion was banned and until the ingestion of the substance was banned,however since its use is for many applications getting it is still very possable.
GHB or xyrem probuably would be off labled for anxiety this minute if it werent for a woman named trinka a reitred police office who illegaly harrased a sleep sight taunting xyrem users who really need it.She has made a career off anti ghb,her site project ghb is filled with propganda and you cant even speak your mind at all there unless its pure anti ghb.
When ghb was first discovered it was done so for medical reasons,not date rape reasons,in fact the same man dr.henri laborit who worked with ghb also first brought to the U.S Thorazine which at the time was a godsend as it was a time when barberic psycho surgyss were being used and no one left pysh wards to go home,thorazine stopped the barbaric activity and allowed people to start going home for the first time.Dr henri laborit was obviously intersted in gaba/dopamine.Ghb is very non toxic as it netabolizes to water,gbl is a more rugged version,and does has cons,its faster acting,harder hitting,can destroy teet and skin in mouth if not diluted,and carries impurites since the even though debated the best most will find will be 98 purity holding 2 points of toxins per gram.
Still all and all,social anxiety untreated is more hazadourous then almost any drugs,you become so sick you let your body go.Cheers to ur success
PM me on yahoo brklyn234 id like to chat
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 20:24:30
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by shasling on January 26, 2009, at 19:58:02
I know how to make GHB and did it years ago, but I don't want to synthesize scheduled drugs. GHB is also controlled in my country, GBL is not. I know of Renewtrient and also about Laborit. I respect him, but his information saying GHB is not addictive was not at all useful. GHB is known here as Alcover for alcohol withdrawals and an anticraving agent, Somsanit for anesthesia and Xyrem for Narcolepsy. Alcohol is the most widely used date rape drug, Benzos too. The project GHB website is really just propaganda s***. The most effective drug for GHB withdrawal is Baclofen IMHO, but not getting physically dependent is a better Option. ;-)
I will chat with you tommorow.
cu
Posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 20:26:03
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 20:24:30
The GHB newsgroup is useless nowadays, full of spammers and freaks.
Posted by desolationrower on January 26, 2009, at 22:41:58
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 20:26:03
i don't see how baclofen will prevent tolerance? its just going to increase rate gabab receptors downregulate.
only other thing i'd be concerned with is ghb use during day might result in less SWS during night.
-d/r
Posted by shasling on January 26, 2009, at 23:36:50
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 20:26:03
> The GHB newsgroup is useless nowadays, full of spammers and freaks.
True perhaps there is a reason for that,who knows
i mean groups spin off lots of times like tv shows,cough cough maybe its someelse now.
Posted by Vincent_QC on January 27, 2009, at 6:18:38
In reply to I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Medline on January 26, 2009, at 13:16:18
> First of all: Don't try this at home kids! I have year long experience with psychoactive drugs, which I am not really proud of. :-( I've made a lot of mistakes, some of which I could have paid the ultimate price for - my life. Nevertheless giving up wasn't an option for me at any point.
>
> SAD involves dysfunction of the Serotonin-, Dopamine-, GABA-, Oxytocin- and probably Norepinephrine-System.
>
> Fact: about 30-40% of patients do not adequately respond to a treatment with first line agents (SSRIs/SNRIs). These people might be helped by long term Pregabalin/Clonazepam or MAOI-treatment. But some have to be considered "therapy resistent".
>
> Hypothesis: Elevating levels of 5-HT, DA, GABA, NE and Oxytocin in the CNS increases the probability of making a complete recovery. Low dose of the NMDA-antagonist Cycloserine may help to "hardwire" the results in the brain.
>
> My regimen:
>
> 2 x 300mg Moclobemide / day:
>
> Increases levels of Serotonin and Norepinephrine.
>
> 2mg Selegiline / day:
>
> Works on Dopamine, but leaves enough Monoamine Oxidase so that Tyramine can be broken down and no special diet has to be followed.
>
> 4 x 1.5ml of GBL / day:
>
> Non-toxic precursor for GHB, legal in my country (but not in the US!). Increases levels of Oxytocin, GHB and probably GABA-B in the CNS. Potent anxiolytic and empathogen.
>
> 50mg Baclofen / night:
>
> Extremely important! Never take GHB/GBL 24/7 or severe dependence and withdrawal will occur. Baclofen helps with that and you can sleep very well and resftul.
>
> 50mg Cycloserine / day:
>
> May help to make the results permanent.
>
> I take this from Monday-Friday. On weekends I take 2mg Klonopin / day instead of Baclofen and GBL to avoid tolerance and physical dependence.
>
> This cocktail completely kills SA and depression. I've tried all Psychodrugs known to man (SSRIs/SNRIs, tricyclic and atypical ADs, MAOIs, Mood stabilizers, Neuroleptics, Alcohol, Benzos, Phenobarbital, Clomethiazole, Buprenorphine) but nothing works as effectively as this regimen.
>
> What do you think?Don't want to be negative, but for me, it's look like a shopping list...
The 2 x 300mg Moclobemide / day = not a good AD to treat social anxiety...I have a lot of skepticism about it...that's not for nothing if it's not approved in the States...
The 2mg Selegiline / day = Ok...I mean if you need to have some energy.
The 4 x 1.5ml of GBL / day = Not legal in my country...the 2 chimical products to make it are legal...but for me it's just a cheap street drug...and dangerous also...In fact, I try the GHB one time as a street drug...no comment...Benzo drugs are more powerfull than this, you have to mix it with alcohol to feel something...I'm not sure about the tolerance also...look like it will poop-out one of these day and stop working...
50mg Baclofen / night = A muscle relaxant who act as a GABA antagonist ... Hummm a lot of skepticism about this one also. I don't know why so many people point the gaba-B as a good choice or a good target to reduce anxiety, I never get improve on my social phobia from Lyrica or Gabapentin or any others gaba-b drugs... Tolerance also occur after a while with them...
The 50mg Cycloserine / day = An antibiotic ...The human body get used fast of them, you can'T stay on a antibiotic for the rest of your life...
2mg Klonopin on the weekend...hummm very addictive for someone who have social phobia...and tolerance occur often also...and 2 days of holidays between the Baclofen + GBL is not a lot, I mean, to prevent addiction from the Baclofen and the GBL it's too short...the half-life of these products are probably more long than 48 hours...
I think mixing too much drugs like this will make you feel worse with time. The best solution is often the simple ones...Also, try to find a Psychiatrist who will help you to be on this cocktail in the States or the Canada...good luck, especially for the GBL...
Like I already write before, social anxiety can't be cured...but you can find some relief of it with the use of some drugs...but the main part is to learn how to cope with that disease with a good CBT...a lot of exposure time in social events and things like that...Depression can get cured or at least control, co-morbidities who became more and more dominant after a while can be cured (Depression. general anxiety, panic disorder)...but not social phobia...I mean, you can learn to control it but not cured it at 100%...One of these day, something will stop working in your mix...Rivotril, GBL, Baclofen...all potential addictive drugs...The only more stable drugs who will not cause addiction on your list seem to be the Manerix and the Selegiline.
That's what I think. I prefer to have a "partial" answer on one drug at the time like the Nardil, the Parnate or the Marplan...The theory of the elevating levels of 5-HT, DA, GABA, NE and Oxytocin in the CNS increases the probability of making a complete recovery is a so so point of view... I think it's different for everyone also. A lot or research point a lot to the fact that social phobia or others disease like these are genetic...and a lot of people react very well at the first line treatment drugs...other like me don't... the 5-Ht in my case make me worse (weight gain, lack of energy and motivation...), the DA sometimes make me feel more anxious and tend to make me tired, the Gaba-A or B is now an invalid option (benzo drugs don't work on me now and I never react well to gaba-B drugs...just pins and needles sensations from them), NE make my heart race (high blood pressure) and Cycloserine is it suppose to help to augment the Oxytocin level( a hypothalamic hormone) and help for social phobia??? That's really weird...
Anyway...good luck with your cocktail...I just can't imagine living with soo much drugs in my body...
I guest you know what you are doing...and I really hope you will stay cured of the social phobia!!! ;-)
Don't take it badly...I mean maybe it's the GOOD solution for you...All I want is to try to understand everything behind your drugs cocktail...I'm sure some drugs are not a lot usefull and others can be replace with others ones also...so muck possibilities exist now on the market...and the fact that we all react differently on a drug, make your cocktail less suitable for the others...
Well, take care of you ok!!!
Bye!
Vincent ;-)
Posted by JadeKelly on January 27, 2009, at 8:53:27
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!! » Medline, posted by Vincent_QC on January 27, 2009, at 6:18:38
> > First of all: Don't try this at home kids! I have year long experience with psychoactive drugs, which I am not really proud of. :-( I've made a lot of mistakes, some of which I could have paid the ultimate price for - my life. Nevertheless giving up wasn't an option for me at any point.
> >
> > SAD involves dysfunction of the Serotonin-, Dopamine-, GABA-, Oxytocin- and probably Norepinephrine-System.
> >
> > Fact: about 30-40% of patients do not adequately respond to a treatment with first line agents (SSRIs/SNRIs). These people might be helped by long term Pregabalin/Clonazepam or MAOI-treatment. But some have to be considered "therapy resistent".
> >
> > Hypothesis: Elevating levels of 5-HT, DA, GABA, NE and Oxytocin in the CNS increases the probability of making a complete recovery. Low dose of the NMDA-antagonist Cycloserine may help to "hardwire" the results in the brain.
> >
> > My regimen:
> >
> > 2 x 300mg Moclobemide / day:
> >
> > Increases levels of Serotonin and Norepinephrine.
> >
> > 2mg Selegiline / day:
> >
> > Works on Dopamine, but leaves enough Monoamine Oxidase so that Tyramine can be broken down and no special diet has to be followed.
> >
> > 4 x 1.5ml of GBL / day:
> >
> > Non-toxic precursor for GHB, legal in my country (but not in the US!). Increases levels of Oxytocin, GHB and probably GABA-B in the CNS. Potent anxiolytic and empathogen.
> >
> > 50mg Baclofen / night:
> >
> > Extremely important! Never take GHB/GBL 24/7 or severe dependence and withdrawal will occur. Baclofen helps with that and you can sleep very well and resftul.
> >
> > 50mg Cycloserine / day:
> >
> > May help to make the results permanent.
> >
> > I take this from Monday-Friday. On weekends I take 2mg Klonopin / day instead of Baclofen and GBL to avoid tolerance and physical dependence.
> >
> > This cocktail completely kills SA and depression. I've tried all Psychodrugs known to man (SSRIs/SNRIs, tricyclic and atypical ADs, MAOIs, Mood stabilizers, Neuroleptics, Alcohol, Benzos, Phenobarbital, Clomethiazole, Buprenorphine) but nothing works as effectively as this regimen.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Don't want to be negative, but for me, it's look like a shopping list...
>
> The 2 x 300mg Moclobemide / day = not a good AD to treat social anxiety...I have a lot of skepticism about it...that's not for nothing if it's not approved in the States...
>
> The 2mg Selegiline / day = Ok...I mean if you need to have some energy.
>
> The 4 x 1.5ml of GBL / day = Not legal in my country...the 2 chimical products to make it are legal...but for me it's just a cheap street drug...and dangerous also...In fact, I try the GHB one time as a street drug...no comment...Benzo drugs are more powerfull than this, you have to mix it with alcohol to feel something...I'm not sure about the tolerance also...look like it will poop-out one of these day and stop working...
>
> 50mg Baclofen / night = A muscle relaxant who act as a GABA antagonist ... Hummm a lot of skepticism about this one also. I don't know why so many people point the gaba-B as a good choice or a good target to reduce anxiety, I never get improve on my social phobia from Lyrica or Gabapentin or any others gaba-b drugs... Tolerance also occur after a while with them...
>
> The 50mg Cycloserine / day = An antibiotic ...The human body get used fast of them, you can'T stay on a antibiotic for the rest of your life...
>
> 2mg Klonopin on the weekend...hummm very addictive for someone who have social phobia...and tolerance occur often also...and 2 days of holidays between the Baclofen + GBL is not a lot, I mean, to prevent addiction from the Baclofen and the GBL it's too short...the half-life of these products are probably more long than 48 hours...
>
> I think mixing too much drugs like this will make you feel worse with time. The best solution is often the simple ones...Also, try to find a Psychiatrist who will help you to be on this cocktail in the States or the Canada...good luck, especially for the GBL...
>
> Like I already write before, social anxiety can't be cured...but you can find some relief of it with the use of some drugs...but the main part is to learn how to cope with that disease with a good CBT...a lot of exposure time in social events and things like that...Depression can get cured or at least control, co-morbidities who became more and more dominant after a while can be cured (Depression. general anxiety, panic disorder)...but not social phobia...I mean, you can learn to control it but not cured it at 100%...One of these day, something will stop working in your mix...Rivotril, GBL, Baclofen...all potential addictive drugs...The only more stable drugs who will not cause addiction on your list seem to be the Manerix and the Selegiline.
>
> That's what I think. I prefer to have a "partial" answer on one drug at the time like the Nardil, the Parnate or the Marplan...The theory of the elevating levels of 5-HT, DA, GABA, NE and Oxytocin in the CNS increases the probability of making a complete recovery is a so so point of view... I think it's different for everyone also. A lot or research point a lot to the fact that social phobia or others disease like these are genetic...and a lot of people react very well at the first line treatment drugs...other like me don't... the 5-Ht in my case make me worse (weight gain, lack of energy and motivation...), the DA sometimes make me feel more anxious and tend to make me tired, the Gaba-A or B is now an invalid option (benzo drugs don't work on me now and I never react well to gaba-B drugs...just pins and needles sensations from them), NE make my heart race (high blood pressure) and Cycloserine is it suppose to help to augment the Oxytocin level( a hypothalamic hormone) and help for social phobia??? That's really weird...
>
> Anyway...good luck with your cocktail...I just can't imagine living with soo much drugs in my body...
>
> I guest you know what you are doing...and I really hope you will stay cured of the social phobia!!! ;-)
>
> Don't take it badly...I mean maybe it's the GOOD solution for you...All I want is to try to understand everything behind your drugs cocktail...I'm sure some drugs are not a lot usefull and others can be replace with others ones also...so muck possibilities exist now on the market...and the fact that we all react differently on a drug, make your cocktail less suitable for the others...
>
> Well, take care of you ok!!!
>
> Bye!
>
> Vincent ;-)
Hi Vincent!Thank you for posting that. It sounds like its a BIG cocktail working for one person for now, but it concerns me that others would "try this at home" with the possibly of a very unfavorable outcome.
~Jade
PS-Hope it keeps working for you Medline!
Posted by Vincent_QC on January 27, 2009, at 14:00:34
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!! » Vincent_QC, posted by JadeKelly on January 27, 2009, at 8:53:27
> Hi Vincent!
>
> Thank you for posting that. It sounds like its a BIG cocktail working for one person for now, but it concerns me that others would "try this at home" with the possibly of a very unfavorable outcome.
>
> ~Jade
>
> PS-Hope it keeps working for you Medline!
>Yeah, I hope it will continu to work for Medline...but to be honnest, i'm still keeping writing that no PDoc will agree to give so much drugs to one person...that's a dangerous cocktail!!! Don't try this at home...hummm...well even if I wanted to try it, I will not be able to get all these drugs prescribe by one Doctor...I will haeve to find 4 or 5 Doctors and lie to them...and i'm not interresting on doing that...I already do to often the mistake of don't listening to my Doctor advise and up my dosage of ONE drug... to end with more side-effects than anything else... Anyway....
I'm just curious Jade, what is your dose of PArnate now? And what you add to augment it? You stay with the Ritalin or move on something else?
IF my plan for the Marplan importation fail, I think I will maybe ask for Nardil (cause on me it have less side-effects) and maybe ask for an extra small amount of Selegiline divided in 2 times a day, since it have a really short half-life and also a poor bioviability in the blood...that increase at a maximum of 10% after severals intake of the drugs...mean that it's not very well absorbed by the body and well metabolized...so the 2 doses is maybe a good choice...I still don't know if I can mix 2 maoi's together like this...we will see...but I can't still wait the others 6 days I have before I meet again my PDoc..I feel really bad, worts time of my life I think...Well it's time to move a little bit...I will go take my shower and do something of my evening... even if I feel not very good...even if i'm 33 yo today...even if I have no energy and a migraine...even if I find the life to be very hard for me now... Even if I know some people all around the world suffer more than me and are in a more misery situation...
Thanks and take care of you ok ;-)
Bye!
Vincent ;-)
Posted by JadeKelly on January 27, 2009, at 16:44:43
In reply to Re: I'm 100% cured of Social Phobia!!!, posted by Vincent_QC on January 27, 2009, at 14:00:34
(((((((Vincent))))))First, no answer to this post needed!!!!
Today is your birthday?
Well Happy Birthday to you!!!!
I'm sorry you're having a tough time. It was like that for me but its not forever. I felt like it would be its been so long. You'll get better I promise!!
33 years young??!! Lots of time to work on this and recover. Of course you're tired. But you're taking a shower, getting up, dressed and out, with a migraine? I'd say thats pretty darn good. So have fun and DO NOT ANSWER THIS! ;-)
Be nice to yourself!! You are a good person!!
You are doing the best you can. Thats enough!!Love, Jade
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