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Posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Wow,i wanna edit what has happened to me,but yet not loose the absurdity(is that a word?) of it.
My doc retired,leaving me a 30 day supply of my standerd meds,ambien,klonopin,parnate.
Her office then after a argument tells me there one other doc wont see me,and i get a letter saying the appt was cancelled,so i had to find a new doc,this was the doc i was referred to after my doc reitred.
So first thing on my own fault i loose my ambien script,bad but not the end of the world.So i call there office and as expected get no return,i wasnt surprsied,the gave me 30 days,and now im on my own.So ambien due to my own fault is gone.
BUT the klonopin did not cover the time frame of the earliest doc i can get in with,which is still the 26 of this month,well over 30 days.
I now get worried,i know that office could care less now that my doc is gone,she would have helped,but the office wont even return my calls,and at this point i have no acutiual doc,just an appt.
So i thik i can wing it,and i do for a few days,then this morning i woke like someone shot me in the head,and beat me with a bat all night.Like i had a massive hang over,meanwhile last night prior was a typical night.
So im assuming im in W/D of klonopin since a week now is the longest ive ever gone without any of it!
So i think i can go to the ER,and tell them no fall at there mercy and ask for a supply to my appt.
I somehow get there,admissions lady is very nice,writes in all the info,checks me out,and im waiting now in the waiting room,in a W/D with kids yelling in my ear.
Afer 2 hrs i go back,and the docs are very synecial,as if they dont understand my situation.
They give me a script,but for 3 tabs! This after i told them i was in need for it up to my date of the 26,and would provide them with prove of my appt if needed,but i was out till then.
So now i have klono for 2 days,which leaves me without again for at least another 5,and they told me there they were giving me a full script,i thought theyd leave me short a day maybe,but im still gonna be short 5 days!
I know this prob doesent make sense,its hard to jot down now,especialy in the shape im in,but what is there logic,i still will be short on klonopin,with no chance of seeing a doc,why did they do this to me,why did they not fill it to my appt date,even lowered the dose but just gave me a quantitiy to the date,hell now i dont know what to do,i will be out in a day again!
I have no friends either who can lend me,so do i show back up in ER,and look like a junkie when i was givin the right amount today.
I hope someone can read through this mess and understand what happened,and give me some insight cause im at a loss for words tonight,im soo disgusted and confused as to why they had me leave there with not enough to get me to the date.
Posted by Phillipa on May 20, 2006, at 22:04:47
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Willyee I know how you feel about psych hospitals. But none of them have docs on the premises 24 hours a day. If a patient has a problem the nurse must call the doc even in the middle of the night (on Call) And he has to either see you or prescribe the med you need. I think a private on like where I worked is your best option as the ER's do see the addicts. What happened to DR. sing? Love Jan
Posted by heaven help me on May 20, 2006, at 22:23:37
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by Phillipa on May 20, 2006, at 22:04:47
I've had to cut my pills in half before to just get a little in the system in order to prolong effects (or try to waive off major WD)to get me until a new script was in.
Hang on
Blessings
Mary
Posted by UgottaHaveHOPE on May 20, 2006, at 23:08:12
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by heaven help me on May 20, 2006, at 22:23:37
How about going to your Physician's Assistant to your family doctor on Monday? You can usually see PA's very quickly (even without an appt.) and then explain your situation.
Posted by bassman on May 21, 2006, at 6:33:33
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
This everyone who is on psychoactive drugs worst nightmare-the "begging" for meds that were prescribed and without which, wihdrawal will occur. I think it is inhuman-would this happen to a person for pain meds with a pinched nerve? I doubt it. The stigma of mental illness lives, unfortunately. Where is the "first of all, do no harm" ethic?
No GP that would give you a script for the the meds? I wish I had a magic answer other than my feeling of being disgusted with the ignorance and inhumanity of the medical personell involved.
Best of luck...
Posted by willyee on May 21, 2006, at 14:31:24
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on May 21, 2006, at 6:33:33
Thanks for the advice guys,im not orginaly from this state,and overall my health is good,my pyhsical health,so A gp was never a concern,what i do is go to what they call PATIENT FIRST,like a urgnent care,u know the fast food type places of docters.
I have tried one or two personal gp`s,im still trying to find one through word of mouth.
Anyway i made the decision of going to ER over them,but after speaking to a friend or two sounds like as u guys say having gone to a GP would have been the best thing.
Monday morning i will more likly do so,as i have one klonopin left,however i have two friends who dident get my messages that morning and have since contacted me about giving me some xanax.
Im feeling better about that as i have personaly helped tons of friends with meds when they were in need,as well as advice,and im already defensive now about being used,so again im glad they have at least offered.
Posted by Jost on May 21, 2006, at 14:45:13
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 21, 2006, at 14:31:24
It is bad --the attitude of lots of doctors about pain medications in general--they can be really heartless.
Having a GP or an internist, even if you're in good health, is always worth it, though. What if you get a sinus infection, sprain your ankle, etc?
Jost
Posted by blueberry on May 21, 2006, at 15:48:18
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Yeah, I would try to see a GP right away. Many of them can take you the same day you call or at least within a week. Explain the situation. If you have to, just go right down the yellow pages of the phone book.
In a tight pinch, you can boost the klono and take slightly smaller doses for a few days to stretch it out without missing any days. To do that, go the drug store or health food store and get some taurine and some gaba. The taurine will likely do the best job since it crosses the brain barrier, but gaba can help too. Taurine compliments the actions of benzos and gaba. People have even weaned off klono by using taurine. So in a pinch, you could stretch out the doses you have without missing a day by taking a little bit less than usual and taking as much taurine as you need to make up the difference. It won't be perfect, but it will be a whole lot better than going without.
Posted by jedi on May 22, 2006, at 3:49:50
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Willyee,
Show the ER doctor or any doctor that is treating you this abstract. It is very dangerous to quit clonazepam without a slow taper. Seizures can be induced even in patients without a history of seizures.
Take care,
JediPsychiatr J Univ Ott. 1989 Sep;14(3):484.
Seizure in gradual clonazepam withdrawal.
Wong T, Tiessen E.
Convulsions from abrupt clonazepam withdrawal in patients with a seizure history or concurrent neuroleptic use have been described in the literature. This is a report of a patient without these precipitating factors developing seizure despite "gradual" reduction of clonazepam by .5 mg every 4 days. The possibility of clonazepam withdrawal seizures should be kept in mind even in patients not considered at risk for developing seizures. Clonazepam cessation should be more gradual, even slower than .5 mg every 4 days.
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Case ReportsPMID: 2508139 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 10:46:16
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by jedi on May 22, 2006, at 3:49:50
Thanks for the responses you guys,wow its appreciated.
Im happy to say i had a friend come by who is on xanax 4 x a day and had more than enough to spare,in fact gave me a remainder of a bottle as she had more.
After all the advice i have given people to try to sway them from going down my road,i was worried i did it for nothing if no one could help me in a time of need,i dont usualy need anything,well i only needed a few tabs but im very thankful
Posted by bassman on May 22, 2006, at 11:03:36
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 10:46:16
None of us read that you got a controlled substance from another individual, luckily!:>} But I did think to myself, I must admit, "if willyee were within easy driving distance, and since I have extra Klonopin; and since we're all in this together, etc."
Posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on May 22, 2006, at 11:03:36
Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
Thanks for all the support!
Posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 2:35:24
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
Willyee,
So you made up that whole elaborate scenario just to see how people on the board would react? Call me gullible, I guess. You have way too much time on your hands.
Jedi> Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
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> I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
>
> Thanks for all the support!
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !! » willyee, posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 2:35:24
If you read the whole thread you would know whether or oot i made it up,have i had a history of comming here making up stories? In fact i usualy only stick to posts i might either have a contribution to,or question in,and that is Maois,but if it means my credability thats more important than any thing else so NO i surly did not make up a single word of anything i wrote.
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:32:25
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
My post began very serious and then lightened,so i am sorry for the confusion of anyone reading,its just in that time frame my state of mind changed a little so the direction of my post lightened as well.
Posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 12:44:17
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 12:58:56
In reply to I'm sorry for misunderstanding (nm) » willyee, posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 12:44:17
I don't even know why you said that, as I haven't read any of the other messages. I just wanted to say thank you for apologizing. It stood out, and made the whole board a nicer place.
Lar
Posted by kimcrazylady on May 23, 2006, at 16:25:37
In reply to Re: I'm sorry for misunderstanding » jedi, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 12:58:56
From what I gathered, it was a CYA move since someone suggested it is illegal to get certain drugs from a friend. That is how I read it anyway. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble for sharing meds either.
willyee, have you tried getting some meds from your pharmacist? They generally understand the seriousness of withdrawal and if you use the same store, they will know you have had these scripts filled and know doses, etc. My pharmacy has ALWAYS given me enough to get by if I run out for any reason. I switched docs one time and they were happy to give me enough to get by with confirmation of a new appt. They even once explained how certain folks could be liable if anyone had complications from going without meds. I'd threaten to turn in the freaking doc office unless they called in a script ASAP. They should know the seriousness of withdrawal and I'd make sure they know you are serious about filing a grievance if they don't call in enough until your next appt.
Good luck.
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 17:54:55
In reply to Re: I'm sorry for misunderstanding, posted by kimcrazylady on May 23, 2006, at 16:25:37
Well i seen the same Doc for five years,when she left in that week time frame i immediatly had a problem with staff,mind u in 5 years i never once called there in need of speaking in emergency to my Doc or anyone else.
Well as luck would have it a problem arose the week she left,for the first time i called in the office,and spoke to the offc MGR this being the first time ever i had even known there was one.
From the second she got on the phone she was EXTREMLY COLD,being a phone tech for over years i know u can tell how someone is going to act on the phone within the first few seconds.So of course she did not listen to anything i had to say,and to my grievnace her response was in almost the exact words .......WELL FIND URSELF A NEW DOCTER ELSEWHERE.
I was in total shock,five years there,never comming to them with a single issue and this is the loyality?Well without knowing the entire story she basicaly said shed speak to the referred doc and have him get back to me on my issue.
2 weeks later,2 days before my appt to see this new doc,yess he got back to me,how? In a letter saying he COULD not possably work with me after i had a verbal altercation with a staff member as they are there to aid him,and basicaly told me forget about the appt and to p- off.
I called there and told them thats fine but if they are gonna cut me off two days before my appt i would obviously need 30 days to find a new doc.So i went up and picked up 30 days of standerd meds,never actualy talking to the doc about what i needed,he i assume went off notes,i arrived to find the scripts at the front.
On my way out ironicaly i seen my old doc packing her car with boxes,she expressed howd she miss me,and i told her what had happened and she said part of why she was leaving was the dirtection the office was taking.Long story short(too late) my nearest appt with a spanking new doc would not be until well over a month,klonopin would be the only med id come up short,feeling ok at the time i dident caclulate just how short,and i dident think id fall into W/D so hard.
So i ran out of klonopin due to a miscalculation,not abuse,yet ER doc stared at me,and treated me while writing his 3 pill script of klonopin like i was some benzo gulping junkie.
I called the office but since my doc was totaly gone by now,i was not surprised to not revieve a call back.Thats what i get i guess for opening my mouth and saying i had a problem,i got booted.
I felt so angry when she basicaly told me to get lost at the first sign of a disagreement,i mean this is a docters office,her saying that made me even more firm in my belief that most doc offices dont care a thing about u,i just wish my doc even though i know she was busy leaving could have stepped in a little,but they would not even pass messages along to her saying she was not there on the clock and i should forget about her,she is not my doc anymore and she has nothing to do with my situation.
A very ugly experiance from start to.......well were not quite done yet!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
I think it is mean to joke about a serious problem that actually does happen to people- and when it's real, it can be a n.i.g.h.t.m.a.r.e., hell. Have you ever personally experienced this problem for real? "Irresponsable" or not, all kinds of things can happen to turn "pill shortage" into reality: theft, absentmindedness, taking too much impulsively, whatever. The drugs of the class are notoriously addictive, too. I don't think it's fair to automatically blame the sufferer or say they are irresponsable. Also, some unfortunate folks DO have to crawl to work without their meds at times, and some suffer heinously-whether or not they even make it to work. It sucks to flip out in the office or on public transportation, for example, to have no one believe you when you explain lost your bottle of pills (again), etc. Fortunately, when it happened to me, doctors believed me, gave me a re-supply, asked some questions. It happens. I would bet most people here who use benzos are aware of what they are dealing with, and there are plenty of genuine trauma stories on this board to educate anyone who might not have been aware, or who would like to learn more. Why add fictional "educational" parables???? Why, why are you so especially priveleged to do so? This board is for real, right? Sure hope so. Personally, I am newish here, trying to educate myself, and I hope it's from people sharing real, credible stories and insights and that we can learn from each others' experiences. I don't like feeling tricked. I went through losing a bottle of klonopin, and I didn't think it was funny, I don't believe it was anything of my fault- but that isn't even what matters. It was humiliating hell before finally being addressed and "educational fiction" feels patronizing. I can't exaggerate: HELL. I hope fiction or jokes don't happen here too often, for that would compromise the Board's credibility, and take people's attention away from someone having a REAL crisis. Thank you for your consideration.
> Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
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> I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
>
> Thanks for all the support!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
At this point I'm confused and have no idea if you made any of it up or not, but the possibility of it is upsetting, and I think I'll go read something else.Best wishes.
> If you read the whole thread you would know whether or oot i made it up,have i had a history of comming here making up stories? In fact i usualy only stick to posts i might either have a contribution to,or question in,and that is Maois,but if it means my credability thats more important than any thing else so NO i surly did not make up a single word of anything i wrote.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:58:32
In reply to more Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !! » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
I think the answer is "yes" in reference to making up stories-and your reply to someone else who asked you the last time was almost identical to this one.
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
> Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » bassman, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
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> Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
> something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
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> > Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
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Im the brother of the person in question,i have a valid yahoo account and myspace and much more so i just would like to make that clear so no one believes otherwise.I watch him on this site when he is supposed to be doing other things,and have just read this posting.From what i gather,the orginal post,by my brother,was in 05,during this time,due to his docter suddenly retiring he was left short of klonopin.
Thinking he was stronger than he was,he attempted to make it without,since he could only seek a new docter which he immediatly did,but that was going to be no short of six weeks,leaving him at best 2 weeks with no medication.
He posted a sincere post,he buzzed around it because in the post he wanted to share that he got help,a friend did step up and provide him with the benzos he needed until he seen his docter.Er which he spent all day in,did not,this had him terrified,he was happy to share the bad with the good and tell people he was going to be ok.
Again this all stems from the same post,the same thread on `05.
Replying to a old thread is fine,makes total sense,but im sorry if i come out wrong but it seems as if you display this situation as it being new,my brother is banned,and bassman answering this post even said "like last made up story"When he says that,he means just that,the last one,which going back to first base,was answered by will, that the reason he bounced around the post was in fear of actualy comming out and saying he recieved medication from a friend and not a docter.
Even though it wasnt his fault he ended up in the spot,not knowing the doc was leaving,trying to go to ER,etc,he still did not want to post openly he was using medication not prescribed to him,while at the same time he wanted to share to some people,bassman actualy,that he was ok.
Unless im mistaken,and please make this known to me without hesitation,you were involved in the orignal thread that took place on `05,which Will addressed this very question,and explained he would never flat out make a story up.
My brother was always on herE,posting and i seen a lot of them where he just basicaly answered questions.Why would anyone believe he would make up a random story for no reason,is this the impression he gave off,i ask this out of genuine concern.Anyway,again to close,the post in question was about a situation that happened in `05,one that i know personaly for a fact was terrifying for him,he did not make any of it up,and there still exsists a thread dated all in `05 where this is asked and answered,bassman you were apart of it and said some encourgaging things i saw.
Will is banned,there is no SECOND story,this post is in reply to the same story of `05,in which if im not mistaken the poster was a part of then too.I was surprised to see it show up `07,will posted a story about a situation very close to him,very close,im surprised how easly it seems his character would be questioned without even looking and seeing this poster is respondig to a long thread already spoken of and answered,and not being the case of a new story just made up,does any of this seem funny to anyone?
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