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Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
Drug X ruined my life, causing me to lose my marriage, my kids, and my goldfish in a vicious cycle of depression and dependency and water retention (which is how I lost my goldfish).
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 9:10:09
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
Errr, isn't this site for support and education?
~ed
Posted by TamaraJ on August 28, 2005, at 9:14:27
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 9:10:09
Thank you, Ed. I was thinking the same thing.
T
> Errr, isn't this site for support and education?
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> ~ed
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 9:33:10
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by TamaraJ on August 28, 2005, at 9:14:27
> Thank you, Ed. I was thinking the same thing.
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> T
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> > Errr, isn't this site for support and education?
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> > ~ed
>As was I. Hence the post.
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 9:41:07
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
> Drug X ruined my life, causing me to lose my marriage, my kids, and my goldfish in a vicious cycle of depression and dependency and water retention (which is how I lost my goldfish).
If any of you think my intent is ill, read my prior posts. How many times have I basically attributed my life's failures to a particuliar drug at one time or another?
I'm allowed to laugh at myself. If anyone thinks I'm mocking them, re-read my post and tell me where it is I'm mocking anyone else but myself.
I'm laughing at myself, and I'm allowed to do that. I'm not sorry for being able to have a sense of humor about myself.
If someone's offended I don't take my mysterious life as serious as they'd prefer, keep in mind I'm not telling anyone here they aren't allowed to whine as much as I have myself in the years I've been on the board.
That said, I have yet to ever find any satisfaction from whining about any of my drugs, and the only relief I ever found was today, making a joke about my whining.
Carry on, carry on, ol' chaps.
Posted by zeugma on August 28, 2005, at 9:51:13
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 9:41:07
If someone's offended I don't take my mysterious life as serious as they'd prefer, keep in mind I'm not telling anyone here they aren't allowed to whine as much as I have myself in the years I've been on the board.>>
Who are you to tell anyone how much they are or are not 'allowed' to whine on this board? And what does it have to do with how much you 'whine' here?
-z
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:27:32
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 9:41:07
Hi,
>If any of you think my intent is ill, read my prior posts......
I have. Your post on poisoned femme's thread comes to mind.
~Ed
Posted by xjs7 on August 28, 2005, at 14:30:46
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
> Drug X ruined my life, causing me to lose my marriage, my kids, and my goldfish in a vicious cycle of depression and dependency and water retention (which is how I lost my goldfish).
Utopizen, I love your posts. You always make a lot of sense to me. I used to blame my drugs for a lot of things--I would read about the side effects and blame every minor problem on them. But then I found out that I actually have a medical illness that has many symptoms. Drugs are fine, but really the side effects of the commonly used psychiatric drugs are not that severe (for me). Don't blame everything on your drugs. Well, unless you are taking really serious drugs. But not Celexa, etc.
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:45:12
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 9:41:07
>If someone's offended........
To be honest, it wasn't this post which offended me, it was your earlier post up the page..........
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050827/msgs/547501.html
~ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:46:56
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by xjs7 on August 28, 2005, at 14:30:46
>But not Celexa, etc....
Some people suffer severe side effects due to Celexa eg. mania.
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:49:16
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by xjs7 on August 28, 2005, at 14:30:46
I agree that some of utopizen's posts are interesting. Unfortunately, others are cruel and offensive.
~Ed
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:02:52
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by zeugma on August 28, 2005, at 9:51:13
> If someone's offended I don't take my mysterious life as serious as they'd prefer, keep in mind I'm not telling anyone here they aren't allowed to whine as much as I have myself in the years I've been on the board.>>
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> Who are you to tell anyone how much they are or are not 'allowed' to whine on this board? And what does it have to do with how much you 'whine' here?
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> -z
I'm not "one to tell anyone" anything. Who are you to try and paraphrase me? Re-read my post.
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:13:28
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 9:41:07
>I'm laughing at myself, and I'm allowed to do that.
You are.... but it was hardly clear that you were laughing at yourself.
Humour is great... and a vital part of the forum. It's important that posts aren't hurtful though.
~ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:14:35
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
You seem bitter. Are you unhappy at the moment?
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:18:51
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:02:52
I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
~Ed
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:45:12
> >If someone's offended........
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> To be honest, it wasn't this post which offended me, it was your earlier post up the page..........
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050827/msgs/547501.html
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> ~edEd,
If I ever said anything like "Accutane caused depression" to my p-doc or my therapist, the response would be far more "offending" than what I posted.
If "offensive" remarks are anything that include negative feedback, therapists would be out of a job. Their primary role is to deliver "negative feedback."
I once suggested "Klonopin can cause depression" and was immediately snapped at by my doctor, with rolling eyes, who said, "John, do you want to know how to sound like an expert?" (He's a Harvard Professor, and well-known by any doc I've ever met).
He said, "Nobody knows what causes depression. It's not that simple. And it's never for a single reason, much less a single drug."
So, if I appear offensive, don't go to my pdoc.
And all my therapist would have said is exactly what I just said.
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:14:35
> You seem bitter. Are you unhappy at the moment?
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> ~Ed
I'm bitter? I'm always bitter. I'm a writer. It annoys me that I can't write 4 sentences that use the word "I" repeatedly, and it's over-read and misinterpreted.It reminds me how much misinterpretation goes on in my actual essays for classes by my professors.
Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.
Posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 15:26:13
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » xjs7, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:49:16
Salut Ed. Thanks for your kind words posted in my thread :-) Gentleman as usual.
But how are you doing? You seem to be easily hurt. Did you change your medication or something else? I know you were thinking about Prozac...
Bye.
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:27:53
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:18:51
> I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
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> ~EdOkay, Ed, I do not dislike you, and I think suggesting this thread is to regret is unfortunate... not everyone will agree with you, me, or anyone. That's called "discourse."
And why would it end "badly?" How could that possibly happen?
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:37:19
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:27:53
> > I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
> >
> > ~Ed
>yeah, maximus.. has a point... first, I shouldn't use "projecting"... but you did suggest I was "bitter" and inquired if I was "unhappy."
Also, I am sympathetic with the fact that Maximus might not feel defended by my remarks, but he seems more ressilient to them than you are, and they were directed at him... I thought it posed an important question, and, well, it really didn't say anything but that.
It was far from condensending, and nothing out of bounds for a therapist to pose. I hope you maintain a suitable environment for yourself... whether the drugs are "working" or not, I've never known of any that do so more than 1/2 way.
The rest happens with therapy, exercise, friends, love, and everything else modernity dismisses as hopeless pursuits. (A self-fulfilling prophecy, based on my own experiences).
Ah, if drugs didn't go just half-way, would there be any meaning to my remission?
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:42:18
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
Hi John,
I get the impression that your pdoc doesn't have a particularly good 'bedside manner'.
Regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:43:48
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
>Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.
Well... I guess that's good.
Regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:20
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » ed_uk, posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 15:26:13
Hi Max,
I'm doing quite well thank you :-) I haven't changed my medication.
~ed
Posted by zeugma on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:42
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
> > You seem bitter. Are you unhappy at the moment?
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> > ~Ed
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> I'm bitter? I'm always bitter. I'm a writer. It annoys me that I can't write 4 sentences that use the word "I" repeatedly, and it's over-read and misinterpreted.
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> It reminds me how much misinterpretation goes on in my actual essays for classes by my professors.
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> Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.Assuming that your argument that Accutane could never be responsible for depression is valid (appealing to the opinion of an expert, namely your therapist), then why would you think your professors are automatically guilty of "misinterpretation" when they read your essays? They're experts too, you know.
-z
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:51:29
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:27:53
Hi John,
>That's called "discourse."
>And why would it end "badly?" How could that possibly happen?Sometimes, it's not particularly helpful to get invloved with discourse.
~ed
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