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Posted by redjr on June 1, 2005, at 22:18:09
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » Kev, posted by vy on May 30, 2005, at 13:26:43
Kev,
Don't feel alone with the obssesive thoughts at night! Effexor wasn't the cause for me. I've had them for years, but lately my insomnia has gotten progressively worse - to the point of it being maddening!
My pdoc changed me over to Remeron last week, but I'm not sure if it's much better. :( It's supposed to help with sleep so I take it before bed. I think the cure is worse than the symptoms - now I feel groggy, kinda like a zombie up until the late afternoon(I guess the Remeron is wearing off).
As many know on this forum, insomnia can be in and of itself a major cause of depression - or at a minimum put our bodies at risk of behaving in a depressed state! It's soooooo frustrating. Just can't turn my mind off at night.
Take care. We're all here to help....
redjr...
Posted by StayceeIB on June 2, 2005, at 0:50:47
In reply to EFFEXOR AND TEMAZEPAM, posted by Chron on May 30, 2005, at 11:34:20
Is temazepam strong? I have the RX but afraid it will be hrad o wake up ...canu tell me a bit how you are with it? I have taken ambien but it does nothing :(
Posted by corafree on June 2, 2005, at 1:00:47
In reply to Re: EFFEXOR AND TEMAZEPAM, posted by StayceeIB on June 2, 2005, at 0:50:47
Hi StayceeIB!
I have taken Restoril (temazepam) in the past and in my experience; no, it is not real strong. I don't recall any hangover feelings with it. I know of someone it seems to work well for. That's about all I know. best wishes, cf
Posted by cks57 on June 2, 2005, at 7:54:46
In reply to Re: 4 Weeks off Effexor - joint pain » winddancer, posted by Emmi on May 22, 2005, at 9:53:34
I am also experiencing extreme joint pain. The joint pain began when I started tapering off Effexor and was in the 37 mg range. That was about six weeks ago. Today, I am on day 8 of no Effexor and am feeling a little better (less dizziness/nausea, less ringing in my ears, while the joint pain remains the same). I had extensive blood work done last week and nothing showed up that would explain the joint pain. My opinion is that it is a withdrawl sympton of Effexor, although the manufacturer makes no mention of it. I think the thing that makes me most angry is the attitude of some doctors. When symptoms and side effects don't fit nicely inside some defined box, then there is NOTHING wrong with you, therefore you don't know what you're taking about. They (the pharmaceutical companies more so) are doing a great disservice to people by not accepting the fact that humans are highly complex and we don't all respond the same way. We begin to question ourselves and the validity of our complaints.
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:42:25
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » Chron, posted by john berk on June 1, 2005, at 7:53:43
>Hey man, I've never bought drugs "off the street" i have a close friend who has a hydro op on his basement but I am fortunate enough to be canadian and have that option. do you really consider a pharmecutical company who mass produces chemicals to alter your brain and tests them on animals and whose only concern is for that of their shareholders a reliable source?
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
In reply to Medications to manage side effects of other meds » Chron, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:09:22
No i am referring to people who take a med for depression and then they have another problem so they take another one eg. prozac to come down off effexor, and then restoril for the sleepelssnes and then wellbutrin and so on and so on....are you really "getting better" or are you just treating some of the symptoms? my opinion is based not on parkinson sufferers, so don't try to de-humanize what i said. my opinion is based of the reasearch I've done on the effects of effexor by reading 5 years worth of postings on this site, which was created to "help" people. get real. you all are dr bob's lab rats, which is why my post about meds and cadillacs ticked him off. if i put a mirror in front of the faces of the people here, they will realize this site is not to help them, it's to use you all as lab rats, and then he'll have to apply for funding for clinical trials. do yourselves a favor, talk to someone who realy cares not a 2 bit internet med pimp doctor who is using you all as his med whores. was that offensive? or does the truth hurt?
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:54:17
In reply to Re: EFFEXOR AND TEMAZEPAM, posted by StayceeIB on June 2, 2005, at 0:50:47
> Is temazepam strong? I have the RX but afraid it will be hrad o wake up ...canu tell me a bit how you are with it? I have taken ambien but it does nothing :(
Temazepam is the only med ive taken in 6 years. the only sleep med i ever took before that was surmontil, which gave me terrible hangovers. The Temazepam works well, as long as you have 8 hrs or more to devote to uninterrupted sleep, and made me less groggy in the mornings than the surmontil. I don't take it on a nightly basis, just when I've have consecutive nights w/o sleep. Good luck!
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 10:01:20
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » Chron, posted by john berk on June 1, 2005, at 7:53:43
mood altering substance, hey? what the heck do you thing these psych meds are???? did you read what you typed?
Posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 10:18:21
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
Hi Chron,
>........then he'll have to apply for funding for clinical trials.........
What do you mean by that???
/Ed
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 12:42:52
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds » Chron, posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 10:18:21
> Hi Chron,
>
> >........then he'll have to apply for funding for clinical trials.........
>
> What do you mean by that???
>
> /Edyou folks are allowing him to use you as research subjects when you should be getting PAID for shring you information!
Posted by gardenergirl on June 2, 2005, at 15:23:34
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
> my opinion is based not on parkinson sufferers, so don't try to de-humanize what i said.
Please don't jump to conclusions about my post.
> do yourselves a favor, talk to someone who realy cares not a 2 bit internet med pimp doctor who is using you all as his med whores. was that offensive? or does the truth hurt?
To answer what your question implies, yes, I am offended. Please be supportive in your posts on this site.
gg
Posted by haddsl on June 2, 2005, at 15:36:31
In reply to Please be civil » Chron, posted by gardenergirl on June 2, 2005, at 15:23:34
> > my opinion is based not on parkinson sufferers, so don't try to de-humanize what i said.
>
> Please don't jump to conclusions about my post.
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> > do yourselves a favor, talk to someone who realy cares not a 2 bit internet med pimp doctor who is using you all as his med whores. was that offensive? or does the truth hurt?
>
> To answer what your question implies, yes, I am offended. Please be supportive in your posts on this site.
>
> gg
This site DOES help people! This site is a place where all of us (who have usually felt alone with these problems) Can discuss them. Discuss our problems and solutions with medications and other plain 'ol anxiety and depression problems. If you HAVE actually read the past 5 years of post's you would see that many people ARE being helped and have said so many times on these posts. So please stay civial.
Posted by john berk on June 2, 2005, at 15:36:43
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 10:01:20
HEY "DUDE", I DID READ WHAT I TYPED OUT, [ALTHOUGH IT WAS A TAD EARLY IN THE MORNING], BUT THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WAS USING A SMALL DOSE OF AMBIEN, OR LOW DOSE TRAZADONE TO GET YOU THROUGH A SLEEP DEPRIVATION CRISIS DOES NOT MAKE ONE A LAB RAT FOR THE PHARMACUTICAL INDUSTRY.
YOUR POINT IS VALID, I REALIZE ALL ARE MOOD-ALTERING, BUT SHORT TERM RELEIF FOR SOMEONE SUFFERING IS SOMETIMES NECESSARY. ALSO CHRON, I APOLIGIZE FOR SUGGESTING THAT ALL POT IS PURCHASED ON THE STREET! HAVE A GOOD DAY....JOHN BERK
Posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2005, at 17:06:34
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
Chron, I don't feel you are being either fair or civil to other posters or Dr. Bob. Everyone here feels like a family. A lot of us have conversations in private either by Babblemail, or even E-mail. We are human beings with brains, and feelings. I don't know why you seem so angry but you also may be hurt. So I'll try not to judge your actions and remember that people with all types of problems converse here. Please try to respect the feelings of the others. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 17:20:20
In reply to Chron, posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2005, at 17:06:34
> Chron, I don't feel you are being either fair or civil to other posters or Dr. Bob. Everyone here feels like a family. A lot of us have conversations in private either by Babblemail, or even E-mail. We are human beings with brains, and feelings. I don't know why you seem so angry but you also may be hurt. So I'll try not to judge your actions and remember that people with all types of problems converse here. Please try to respect the feelings of the others. Fondly, Phillipa
oh brother, can you get the guitar so we can sing kumbya around the fire? im not angry im realistic......which seems to be lacking.....come off the meds and let your minds clear....moreover, free your minds of this medicinal mind control and share with your real friends, not strangers on the internet or scientists who pretend to care so they can use you. im sure in 5 years i will could log back on her and it will be the same people with the same problems on different meds, callously talking about "enjoying the placebo effect" of new medication..wouldn't you rather enjoy a new pair of shoes? now that's therapy....not "the rape me"
Posted by haddsl on June 2, 2005, at 17:25:24
In reply to Re: Chron, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 17:20:20
> > Chron, I don't feel you are being either fair or civil to other posters or Dr. Bob. Everyone here feels like a family. A lot of us have conversations in private either by Babblemail, or even E-mail. We are human beings with brains, and feelings. I don't know why you seem so angry but you also may be hurt. So I'll try not to judge your actions and remember that people with all types of problems converse here. Please try to respect the feelings of the others. Fondly, Phillipa
>
>
> oh brother, can you get the guitar so we can sing kumbya around the fire? im not angry im realistic......which seems to be lacking.....come off the meds and let your minds clear....moreover, free your minds of this medicinal mind control and share with your real friends, not strangers on the internet or scientists who pretend to care so they can use you. im sure in 5 years i will could log back on her and it will be the same people with the same problems on different meds, callously talking about "enjoying the placebo effect" of new medication..wouldn't you rather enjoy a new pair of shoes? now that's therapy....not "the rape me"
>This is ridiculous, Most of us don't have friends that happen to have this same kind of problem. Most people don't understand. You don't have to accept this whole thing. Just go away and leave everyone alone. It probably isn't the best idea to come onto a support post, and put down people who are suffering from depression! Does that seem stupid to anyone else?
Posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2005, at 18:47:26
In reply to Re: Chron, posted by haddsl on June 2, 2005, at 17:25:24
Chron, Could you believe many of the people even meet in person? Also not everyone here is on a lot of meds. Some people like to share their experiences and help others. Do you take any meds? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 18:51:33
In reply to Re: Chron, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 17:20:20
>share with your real friends, not strangers on the internet.........
We do have friends IRL.......but many of us like the internet too.
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 18:55:19
In reply to Re: Chron, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 17:20:20
>Hey guys anyone know of any adverse side effects of effexor and pot smoking? Haven't started meds yet but I'm just trying to make an informed decision, don't want to have to trade one drug for another!
>come off the meds and let your minds clear....moreover, free your minds of this medicinal mind control.........
Hypocrisy???
Ed.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2005, at 22:22:44
In reply to Re: Chron » Chron, posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 18:55:19
> This is ridiculous... Just go away and leave everyone alone.
>
> haddsl> Hypocrisy???
>
> Ed.Sorry, but please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2005, at 22:24:33
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
> a 2 bit internet med pimp doctor who is using you all as his med whores... does the truth hurt?
Ouch! Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. I've already asked you to be civil, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by maryhelen on June 3, 2005, at 15:20:59
In reply to Re: Chron, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 17:20:20
Chron:
Given that you are so negative, sarcastic and not in the least supportive ........ why don't you take your own suggestion and come back in 5 years. Leave those of us alone, who receive invaluable information, support and encourgament from this website.
maryhelen
Posted by surreall on June 4, 2005, at 1:27:19
In reply to Re: Chron, posted by maryhelen on June 3, 2005, at 15:20:59
Right now I am learning how to be more positive because I've always been a negative person. But I would never put anyone down for getting help, I finally admitted to myself that I truly needed counseling and not just medication. I take 150mg of effexor xr and I still have anxiety/panic attacks. Sometimes I get to the point that I don't want to be around people then I wonder why I have no friends...negativity does not pay off in the long run..all it is, is a defense mechanism to protect yourself from beimg hurt...I think that you need to take an inner look at yourself before you judge others...everyone needs someone to talk to even if it is on the internet...
Posted by emma67 on June 4, 2005, at 1:28:52
In reply to Re: Weaning from Effexor - Nightmares, posted by DebraA. on September 5, 2002, at 9:24:19
I began taking effexor last summer after some difficult events in my life. I was wondering if anyone shared any of the same feelings as I do about this drug.
First of all, I would like to say that it is the first antidepressant I have ever been on that has successfully dealt with my anxiety problems on a day to day basis.
However, my main complaint with it is that I always feel "high". What I mean by that is that I can never relax, do nothing, even wathching tv is difficult for me. It is very hard just to sit still.
Then there is my increased penchant for alcohol. I find myself binge drinking increasingly, and craving alcohol by the end of the day.
I have also put on at least 10 lbs since I began as I seem to have no control over what I put into my mouth! I have always been "chunky" but I have always been able to lose weight. I cannot even get motivated to do it since I began effexor.
The worst thing at the moment is the water retention. My feet are swollen and sore.I know I sound like a crybaby. However, this drug has really worked for me for anxiety. I was so excited about it at the beginning. Now the side effects are really bad. Can anyone help? I am disappointed.
Thanks in advance,
emma67
Posted by nik05 on June 4, 2005, at 9:58:51
In reply to Re: Weaning from Effexor - Nightmares, posted by emma67 on June 4, 2005, at 1:28:52
>>>Then there is my increased penchant for alcohol. I find myself binge drinking increasingly, and craving alcohol by the end of the day.
Hi, Emma67! I have never posted on this website; nor am I on Effexor at the moment. My doctor just gave me a sample yesterday which is why I'm on here trying to get info.
The side-effect you listed about the alcohol cravings have happened to me on EVERY antidepressant med that I have tried. Although I know it's difficult for you, I was actually kind of glad to hear of someone else actually having this effect. My doctors look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them that that's what happens when I take ADs.
I become this raging alcoholic about a week after starting ADs; which I'm only a VERY moderate drinker now... one to two glasses of wine every other week, maybe! I also have blackouts from the wine and the ADs. And ALL of the above-mentioned side-effects go away immediately after stopping the med.
Have you tried other ADs? Other anxiety meds? Just curious if this has happened to you on other ones as well.
Thanks in advance,
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