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Posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 17:08:59
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 0:19:24
Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
especially-lots of Amphetamines
-lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
-and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P Elvis
Posted by vivi on April 23, 2005, at 18:55:06
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 17:08:59
> Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
> especially
>
> -lots of Amphetamines
> -lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
> -and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P ElvisIf you don't mind me asking....How long have you been taking Rit? I have only been on Dex 15mg for about 2 months. How long do M.D.'s usually keep people on stimulants?
Dexamyl probably could have had a high success rate, considering it eased the anxiety and depression.
Posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 21:06:47
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 23, 2005, at 18:55:06
> > Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
> > especially
> >
> > -lots of Amphetamines
> > -lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
> > -and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P Elvis
>
> If you don't mind me asking....How long have you been taking Rit? I have only been on Dex 15mg for about 2 months. How long do M.D.'s usually keep people on stimulants?
> Dexamyl probably could have had a high success rate, considering it eased the anxiety and depression.
>
>
I have been taking Ritalin a little over 1 year, and as long as it helps your condition an MD should keep you on Meds which help.Does Dex help your condition? you seem to be a little undecided on this?
Posted by vivi on April 24, 2005, at 0:44:03
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 23, 2005, at 21:06:47
> > > Come to think of it, Elvis loved Dex and everything else in pill form which got him stoned,
> > > especially
> > >
> > > -lots of Amphetamines
> > > -lots of Barbiturates, 4 of em were found in his dead Body
> > > -and he had a love for Dilaudid (several x more potent than Heroin)-reserved for sever Cancer and burn pain, he said of it "I'v tried em all and it,s the best". R.I.P Elvis
> >
> > If you don't mind me asking....How long have you been taking Rit? I have only been on Dex 15mg for about 2 months. How long do M.D.'s usually keep people on stimulants?
> > Dexamyl probably could have had a high success rate, considering it eased the anxiety and depression.
> >
> >
> I have been taking Ritalin a little over 1 year, and as long as it helps your condition an MD should keep you on Meds which help.
>
> Does Dex help your condition? you seem to be a little undecided on this?
>
Well I was concerned about the weight factor because it actually would help if I gained a little. I had heard Dex was big in the 70's for weight loss, so I was surprised my M.D. prescibed it to me. Especially since he mentioned that he was going to monitor my weight. He weighed me the last time I went in, but I have not lost any weight. I noticed a slight change in my appetite, but then again I don't eat alot. It does help me at work. I have a job with a very high stress level and I had been feeling for a while that I could not prioritize my tasks. i was trying to do everything at once, but then not completing any one assignment to the best of my ability. It became very frustrating so Dex has helped me focus and calm down. Thanks for your input.
Viv
Posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 1:18:46
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 24, 2005, at 0:44:03
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I was concerned about the weight factor because it actually would help if I gained a little. I had heard Dex was big in the 70's for weight loss, so I was surprised my M.D. prescibed it to me. Especially since he mentioned that he was going to monitor my weight. He weighed me the last time I went in, but I have not lost any weight. I noticed a slight change in my appetite, but then again I don't eat alot. It does help me at work. I have a job with a very high stress level and I had been feeling for a while that I could not prioritize my tasks. i was trying to do everything at once, but then not completing any one assignment to the best of my ability. It became very frustrating so Dex has helped me focus and calm down. Thanks for your input.> Viv
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Vivi, I was interested to read what you wrote about your experience with Dexedrine and the effect it has on your weight. I didn't lose weight when I was on Dexedrine. I may have even gained a small amount. I had a good appetite on Dex, especially after I exercised. What I was surprised to discover was that when I got off of Dexedrine, I actually lost weight. I think that happened because I got depressed, and when I'm depressed, everything sort of shuts down, including my entire alimentary canal, which means no hunger and no peristalsis either (ugh!).
Posted by Paulbwell on April 24, 2005, at 1:46:05
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 1:18:46
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I was concerned about the weight factor because it actually would help if I gained a little. I had heard Dex was big in the 70's for weight loss, so I was surprised my M.D. prescibed it to me. Especially since he mentioned that he was going to monitor my weight. He weighed me the last time I went in, but I have not lost any weight. I noticed a slight change in my appetite, but then again I don't eat alot. It does help me at work. I have a job with a very high stress level and I had been feeling for a while that I could not prioritize my tasks. i was trying to do everything at once, but then not completing any one assignment to the best of my ability. It became very frustrating so Dex has helped me focus and calm down. Thanks for your input.> Viv
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>
> Hi Vivi, I was interested to read what you wrote about your experience with Dexedrine and the effect it has on your weight. I didn't lose weight when I was on Dexedrine. I may have even gained a small amount. I had a good appetite on Dex, especially after I exercised. What I was surprised to discover was that when I got off of Dexedrine, I actually lost weight. I think that happened because I got depressed, and when I'm depressed, everything sort of shuts down, including my entire alimentary canal, which means no hunger and no peristalsis either (ugh!).
Ritalin makes me hungry, partly due to improved mood and improved brain activity, to study, read, and feed my Brain.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 23, 2005, at 18:55:06
I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
Scott
Posted by Paulbwell on April 24, 2005, at 2:27:01
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
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> I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
>
> ScottIncrease the dose, or take Sodium bicarb with it, before it.
Posted by not_so_pro_social on April 24, 2005, at 2:39:09
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Paulbwell on April 24, 2005, at 2:27:01
> >
> >
> > I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
> >
> > Scott
>
> Increase the dose, or take Sodium bicarb with it, before it.
And DXM (dextrometorphan) or Memantine or Vinpocetine.
Posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 16:52:44
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
Hi, Mr. Scott. Prior to taking Adderall, had you ever taken that class of drug before? Had you ever been on Dexedrine? Were you on a high dose of Adderall? Dexedrine was very helpful to me for a long time, but I developed a tolerance, even at a relatively low dose. What a disappointment!
Thanks.
Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2005, at 17:20:21
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 16:52:44
Hi Mr. Scott, Did you have anxiety before you started the med which then improved? If so maybe this is the type of drug I need to help me to concentrate, but my anxiety is always so high. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Paulbwell on April 25, 2005, at 16:45:20
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Mr.Scott on April 24, 2005, at 2:05:04
>
>
> I have taken adderall for about 4-5 months. It no longer works, but instead causes increased anxiety. At first it was a miracle.
>
> ScottHi
Adderall often causes increased anxiety, cos of the L-Amphetamine, Dex might be smoother.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 20:51:59
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by Paulbwell on April 25, 2005, at 16:45:20
Hi all,I have used stimulants here and there over the years. Pretty much all of them, and in varying dosages I would choose Dex alone over all of them, but my doc prefers adderall. Initially they do not increase anxiety because of the profound antidepressant effect they give me. Now after a few months...I find that they probably do increase anxiety as the antidepressive effect seems to have dissipated and all thats left is the stimulation. And when your thoughts are worms to begin with, worms on speed aren't so good. It is difficult for to say with certainty whether I'm better off on or off of them, but my guess is that it will soon be clear I am better off, off of them.
We'll see.
Scott
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 21:01:58
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2005, at 17:20:21
It's hard to say...At first without question it destroyed my anxiety and I felt great. My functioning and outlook were really good. That however was temporary for me. What I can say is that too much benzo actually makes my anxiety worse. Go figure...Scott
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 21:03:38
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by Sarah T. on April 24, 2005, at 16:52:44
I know... I thought I was cured..
Sadly... I too developed much tolerance. I tried to go up to 50mg of adderall, but right now I'm just staying at 30mg until a doctor gives me a better alternative.
Scott
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 21:07:04
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by not_so_pro_social on April 24, 2005, at 2:39:09
Can you elaborate on your recommendations?
Thanks,
Scott
Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by vivi on April 21, 2005, at 21:36:40
Dexamyl no longer exists because it actually elevated mood. Virtually no currently marketed antidepressants actually work--they simply make one number to their own emotions. And if you're numbed up, you can't be depressed, can you? It's sick stuff.
The MAOIs, are IMO (I am not at all humble on this topic) are the only drugs on the market--marketed as such--worthy of the title "antidepressant". That is, they actually ELEVATE mood. Furthermore, there will be no more effective monoaminergic antidepressants coming--EVER--because in order to be truly effective, you've got to affect DA, which makes an "abusable" drug. Even the benign, virtually abuse-proof buprenorphine is now a CIII controlled substance. It's pathetic.
Any new antidepresssant that actually is effective will use neurotransmitter systems heretofore untouched by psych drugs, such as neuropeptide Y and CCK (for depression and anxiety). New effective anxiolytics will probably be neurosteroids, such as allopregnanolone derivatives (see ganaxolone). Selective opioidergic mechanisms will also be on the menu someday, I hope.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
IMO...
Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.Scott
Posted by vivi on April 26, 2005, at 21:41:31
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
> IMO...
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> Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.
>
> ScottWhat were some of the Dexamyl's generics? Just curious.
Viv
Posted by Paulbwell on April 26, 2005, at 22:15:26
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by vivi on April 26, 2005, at 21:41:31
> > IMO...
> >
> >
> > Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.
> >
> > Scott
>
> What were some of the Dexamyl's generics? Just curious.
> Viv
>
>DEXAMYL had no generics,it simply became obsolete-(along with most Goofballs, Amps+Barbs)around 1970
Cheers
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 27, 2005, at 2:07:04
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 26, 2005, at 22:15:26
Yes I mean that once amphetamines and barbs went generic and they fell out of favor these combos just sort of fell by the wayside. Although I believe they were actually available until the 80's.
Posted by Minnie-Haha on April 27, 2005, at 13:57:12
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
Posted by Sarah T. on April 27, 2005, at 19:34:56
In reply to Re: Off topic, but I LOVE your Babble name! (nm) » Chairman_MAO, posted by Minnie-Haha on April 27, 2005, at 13:57:12
Isn't that terrific! It's so creative. To stay on-topic, he'll have to go over to the threads on selegiline, parnate and nardil.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 28, 2005, at 16:42:29
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
Withdrawal and craving? There is no reason why amphetamine + a downer should produce any withdrawal and craving in anyone using it properly to treat anything (except a desire to get high, heh, and even for that, an astonishing number of people use them safely). Ayn Rand took three Dexamyl spansules per day for decades and quit when it went off the market with no ill effects.
Amphetamine is still used as a antidepressant in treatment-refractory cases, and is indespensible in the treatment of post-stroke depression. And as for tolerance, etc., chronic administration of amphetamine actually sensitizes the user to it, and LESS drug is required to produce the same effect. The only effect that wanes is the euphoria; a modest, antidepressant-like mood boost, increased energy, etc. remains and does not build tolerance for many people. Please do not parrot drug war hysteria without understanding what you're talking about.
I would rather take amphetamine and barbiturates than 80%+ of all the psych drugs on the market. At least amphetamines and barbiturates have been extensively studied for decades and found to be relatively nontoxic to human tissue. One certainly can't say that for most of the new psych drugs (think about the diabetes with Zyprexa, irreversible vision damage with Sabril, possible problems with strattera, liver damage with serzone, etc.). And have you seen the black box warning for Depakote?
And I sure hope you don't think the antipsychotics are safer than amphetamine!The therapeutic index for amphetamine is also higher than many of the drugs currently used in psychiatry today, and is also higher than caffeine's, everybody's "safe" stimulant. That certainly is not true for barbiturates, which is why the benzos replaced them. Taking amphetamine with a benzodiazepine is probably one of the safest drug cocktails one could imagine: If the doses are kept at sane levels, they mitigate the side effects of each other significantly while synergizing nicely.
I feel a lot safer taking Parnate--despite all the MAOI hysteria--than any of the newer ADs. At least I know it won't send me on a manic quest to kill myself like SSRIs can or cause god-knows-what damage to who-knows-which organs.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 28, 2005, at 16:44:40
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 20:51:59
So I saw my doctor today. He's US renound too by the way. He said get a good psychotherapist and he recommended 3. Then he said take as much adderall and ativan or clonazepam as you feel you need so long as it doesn't cause side effects (in addition to my pinch of zoloft). He said most people find a place where tolerance goes away and they stabilize. And if not he'll get me off the meds whether its inpatient or outpatient. And we can try something new.
What do you think?
Scott
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