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Posted by crazychickuk on April 17, 2005, at 11:10:28
I think they have damaged mine, since i started and now obviousley been clean of them for 7 mnths i am still getting twitches all over my body, my brain shakes/tingles, and i feel the signals in my brain aint doing what they used to do.
anyone else? and does it get better?
i have read in a few places over the net that axons to regrow in lab animals?
Posted by linkadge on April 17, 2005, at 11:27:26
In reply to Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by crazychickuk on April 17, 2005, at 11:10:28
Know what you're talking about. These meds have surely dammaged my CNS. Esp since they were given to me when my brain was still maturing.
If the dumb doctors knew anything, they'd of loaded me down with natural stuff, omega 3, 5-htp, inositol.
But now I am in a perpetual sezure, can't live without them. Flickering vision, distortions of movement, time, space, reality.
I got straight A's in high school, top of my class in physics. Now I can barely remember the year. When the doctor asked me when I was born the other day, I couldn't remember.
Oh sure you'll get a buzz for a few months. But not after long you'll doubt that even existed.
These are street drugs, will people realize.
1. Initial effects
2. Loss of effects
3. Higher doses needed to maintain benefit.
4. Withdrawl upon discontinuation.Sorry to be negative, but somebody's got to say it how it is.
Thats all this board is. (no offence)
"My medication worked, and now it pooped out,
what do I do now?"
Linkadge
Posted by banga on April 17, 2005, at 11:29:11
In reply to Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by crazychickuk on April 17, 2005, at 11:10:28
I can't tell you about long-term effects from personal experience, but it is true that there is growing evidence that the brain has greater ability to heal itself over time than was previously thought.
Posted by linkadge on April 17, 2005, at 11:36:04
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by linkadge on April 17, 2005, at 11:27:26
Thats the other thing. A recent study showed that antidepressants actually worsened the course of depressive illness. They will bring initial effects, but more people these days are being treated for depression for life, when depression rarely lasted more than a year or two.
I mean think of it. I have been treated for depression for 6 years, since I was 17. Unmedicated teens don't stay depressed that long.
I blame my persistant deterioration to doctors who
a) Don't look for the root of the problem.
b) Needlessly prescribe serotonin receptor
corkscrewing levels of SSRI's.Linkadge
Posted by crazychickuk on April 17, 2005, at 11:39:49
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by banga on April 17, 2005, at 11:29:11
Well links..
for me i stopped all a'd's yeah i went through hell first few mnths god only you so far can imagine, now i think i am kind of healing myself!
my private phycologist is just the best she has just said now as i rang her as this has been playing on my mind that your brain can get back to normal like breaking your leg it does get better you may still get the odd ache and pain etc but it does get better wuth the right treatment !!
she also stated that they have done lots and lots of trials in the us
1)prozac (for example)
2)placabo
3)CBTfirst mnth prozac was top
third mnth placabo and prozac
4th - present (12th mnth) CBT is top of the charts!! why and how i asked ?
cus CBT is working your brain naturally the way without blocking anything out dealing with things and challanging things etc ..
prozac is just blocking things out and making you have a kind of slower recovery with symptoms, withdrawls etc and god knows what else its doing !!
placabo is just like the imagination thinking its working
but cbt always comes top!! which makes sense to me.
conclusion link hun get of them, you can not remember what its like to be of them , you and me are simular i did it, yes withdrawl was hell !! shocks, crying, not all there etc etc only now getting back on track after 7 mnths !! stick with it..
how can your brain get back to normal when it keeps getting fed more fuel ?trust your instinct
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2005, at 17:55:40
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by crazychickuk on April 17, 2005, at 11:39:49
Crazychick, I'm glad you're feeling better. So the CBT is working for you? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by mike13 on April 17, 2005, at 21:16:15
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system » crazychickuk, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2005, at 17:55:40
Ya im 18 and they've seemingly messed me up for life, no motivation, cognitive problems, loss of personality, it f*cking sucks, i could have functioned without them, they ask you a few questions and then perscribe these drugs that in turn initiate a vicious cycle.. drugs should really be resereved for people absolutely need them to function.
Posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 12:35:58
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by mike13 on April 17, 2005, at 21:16:15
I don't like to sound like an retard when I say this but, I could have been somebody.
There is nothing for me now. More drugs certainly isn't the answer.
My life is absolutely and utterly ruined by medications.
The only part of my brain that works is the part that is able to recognize that my brain doesn't work.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 12:38:12
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by mike13 on April 17, 2005, at 21:16:15
Perhaps 200 years from now, they'll see these medications as the scourge that they are.
Right allong the lines of crack heroin, and cocaine.My brain would be in better shape if I had just smoked marajuana to ease my anxiety.
Posted by ed_uk on April 18, 2005, at 13:28:23
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 12:38:12
Hi Link,
>I could have been somebody.
You ARE somebody Link, I have read many of your *intelligent* posts in recent times.
>Perhaps 200 years from now, they'll see these medications as the scourge that they are.
Right allong the lines of crack heroin, and cocaine.It's funny that you say that because diamorphine (heroin) is a valuable analgesic. In England, it has an important role in the treatment of severe intractable pain. Diamorphine is damaging when it is misused. When used medicinally, the toxicity of diamorphine is much lower that you would expect. It is somewhat better tolerated than morphine.
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by Spriggy on April 18, 2005, at 13:32:12
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 12:38:12
I HATE SSRI's. I LOATHE them...
My mother was put on Paxil, it pooped out, she went on Lexapro, it pooped out, she is now on Cymbalta- it will eventually poop out. When they poop on her (okay that sounds weird, LOL), she always totally freaks out/suicidal and is not herself.
She is not my mother anymore.
I stupidly went on Wellbutrin (which I didn't take hardly at all- it made my anxiety so bad) and then went on Lexapro for 6 weeks. It made me hallucinate. I felt like I was on LSD. It changed me into a person I didn't even know. It was horrific for me.
I went off of Lexapro in February and I SWEAR that even NOW.. months later, I still don't feel right. I wish to God I had never put that stuff in my mouth.
Going off of it is what I can only imagine stopping cocaine or meth would be like.It was a nightmare.
I have no idea if there is a correlation but now I find out I am hypoglycemic and have irregular heart rhythms. I LIVE in anxiety land all the time. Before I started Lexapro it was occasional anxiety with a total of 3 panic attacks my entire life.
I've had several more panic attacks since.
I am now taking a small dose of Klonopin and Restoril for sleep and am starting to get worried about what this stuff is doing to my brain.
Oh Lord, help us.
Posted by tendency on April 18, 2005, at 14:56:11
In reply to Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by crazychickuk on April 17, 2005, at 11:10:28
> I think they have damaged mine, since i started and now obviousley been clean of them for 7 mnths i am still getting twitches all over my body, my brain shakes/tingles, and i feel the signals in my brain aint doing what they used to do.
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> anyone else? and does it get better?
>you know..it just all depends. i certainly agree that it is *not* wise to prescribe these meds to children.
however, ive a huge pattern of mental illness in my family going back generations and have resisted prescription meds for treatment. im now in my mid 30s. after trying every alternative therapy known to man and after being in therapy, and after getting nuclear brain imaging, it became clear to me that i clearly have a chemical imbalance of some sort.
knee-jerk prescription of these meds is a terrible idea. they always should be used as a last resort when all alternatives have been exhausted.
it's so difficult to often distinguish if these symptoms are caused from pyschological or physical sources - or both.
having rambled on, i finally consented to trying a SSRI (celexa) and after two weeeks on 20mg i love it! depression, irritability, anxiety, rage all gone. got my fingers crossed.
Posted by Spriggy on April 18, 2005, at 15:25:55
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system » crazychickuk, posted by tendency on April 18, 2005, at 14:56:11
I do know that some people absolutely need these medications. Don't get me wrong.
My dad is completely unstable unless he is on medication so I thank God for how they have helped him.
But they were not the answer for me. They made me much worse.
Posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 17:21:24
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by Spriggy on April 18, 2005, at 15:25:55
I am in utter hell all my life. I just tell the doctors I am fine these days because I don't trust anybody anymore. Therapy would've been the answer to start with, (when I didn't really have a "chemical imballence"), but now therapy doesn't help much because now I actually do have a chemical imballance, one caused by all the garbage that I've been fed.
If I tell somebody how suicidal I am they just smile and back away so to speak. They push me off to somebody else. I become somebody else's buisness. Today, the doctor's mentality is "what is the fastest way I can get this guy to stop complaining"Nobody even takes my symptoms literally anymore. Every symptom is from anxiety to them.
I probably have a large tumor in the side of my head that nobody thought to try and look for.
And when they find it and remove it, my brain still won't work properly because my brain is dammaged by all the other attempts to fix me up.Its so terrably frustrating because now I've tried them all. I've been on everything, SSRI's SNRI's, trycyclics, MAOI's, antipsychotics, anticonvulsants, stimulants, sedatives, mood stabalizers.
And please don't anybody white flag me or whatever. I'm just starting to recover from the last time somebody called me in as being suicidal. Now the whole school knows me as the one with the mentall illness.
If you feel the urge to intervene, jeeze just give me a call or send me an email.
[xxx]Linkadge
Posted by paulbwell on April 18, 2005, at 17:40:36
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 17:21:24
> I am in utter hell all my life. I just tell the doctors I am fine these days because I don't trust anybody anymore. Therapy would've been the answer to start with, (when I didn't really have a "chemical imballence"), but now therapy doesn't help much because now I actually do have a chemical imballance, one caused by all the garbage that I've been fed.
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> If I tell somebody how suicidal I am they just smile and back away so to speak. They push me off to somebody else. I become somebody else's buisness. Today, the doctor's mentality is "what is the fastest way I can get this guy to stop complaining"
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> Nobody even takes my symptoms literally anymore. Every symptom is from anxiety to them.
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> I probably have a large tumor in the side of my head that nobody thought to try and look for.
> And when they find it and remove it, my brain still won't work properly because my brain is dammaged by all the other attempts to fix me up.
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> Its so terrably frustrating because now I've tried them all. I've been on everything, SSRI's SNRI's, trycyclics, MAOI's, antipsychotics, anticonvulsants, stimulants, sedatives, mood stabalizers.
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> And please don't anybody white flag me or whatever. I'm just starting to recover from the last time somebody called me in as being suicidal. Now the whole school knows me as the one with the mentall illness.
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> If you feel the urge to intervene, jeeze just give me a call or send me an email.
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> Linkadge
>Hang in there link, been there, you feel beaten, but its temporary,
you WILL be better, this is just a blimp in the road, keep your chin up and Do somthing, what ever keeps you busy, and take charge,
You are NOT a victim OK?
Posted by Phillipa on April 18, 2005, at 18:47:02
In reply to Re: Antidepressants and the central nervous system, posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 17:21:24
Sorry Link, I feel pretty much the way you do. Especially about all the meds. I guess we all have to stick together. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by bimini on April 18, 2005, at 21:22:50
In reply to you're darn right, posted by linkadge on April 18, 2005, at 12:35:58
> The only part of my brain that works is the part that is able to recognize that my brain doesn't work.
I love that sentence, very funny, made me smile :)
I told my Doc no SSRIs again, I belive it is poison for people recovering from trauma. It produced much like what you have described, a perpetual but fluctuating state of lalaland, wild dreams, wild perceptions. I saw a pink trademark symbol for a wooden toy company in a muddy cornfield. The trademark was an animal of sorts, moving around grazing. I thought, hell no the symbol is RED.
Now I am at least back to recognizing stuff that doesn't belong. I need my emotions or I lose track of which way is up.And man, if you don't know which way is up you really get lost.
bimini
Posted by paulbwell on April 18, 2005, at 21:28:42
In reply to Re: you're darn right » linkadge, posted by bimini on April 18, 2005, at 21:22:50
> > The only part of my brain that works is the part that is able to recognize that my brain doesn't work.
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> I love that sentence, very funny, made me smile :)
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> I told my Doc no SSRIs again, I belive it is poison for people recovering from trauma. It produced much like what you have described, a perpetual but fluctuating state of lalaland, wild dreams, wild perceptions. I saw a pink trademark symbol for a wooden toy company in a muddy cornfield. The trademark was an animal of sorts, moving around grazing. I thought, hell no the symbol is RED.
> Now I am at least back to recognizing stuff that doesn't belong. I need my emotions or I lose track of which way is up.
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> And man, if you don't know which way is up you really get lost.
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> biminiYou saw a pink toy in a cornfield?
Did you do lotsa Acid in the past? or was this only an SSRI you took?Man! Pink toys-scary shezz
Posted by bimini on April 18, 2005, at 21:35:07
In reply to Re: you're darn right, posted by paulbwell on April 18, 2005, at 21:28:42
LOL, whatever acid does, I'm living it, faking my way through the day trying not to look too puzzled.
bimini
Posted by linkadge on April 19, 2005, at 15:18:29
In reply to Re: you're darn right » paulbwell, posted by bimini on April 18, 2005, at 21:35:07
I know exactly what acid is like. I discribed half of the problems I am having, and my friend who has done a lot of acid says this sounds remarkably similar to what he has experienced.
For starters, the handle of my coffee cup this morning appeared to me to be the nose of a face.
Sometimes I think cars are alive living beings because they are moving. Sometimes clocks, escalators, automatic doors etc seem to be living beings just because they move on their own.
It is hard for me at times to see the difference. It is like my brain is looking objecively at everything, questioning reality, and the world that I knew no longer exists. Nothing really exists it all seems like an illusion or something.
Cars faces sometimes appear to be smiling at me.
Ocassionally I smile back. Sometimes I say say sorry when I step on a tree root because for a split second I think that I have hurt the tree.
I just can't come back. The way that the drugs make me feel is that everything is artificial, that is how they are antiobsessive. When I come off of the drugs there is a hyper reality to everthing.I hear that SSRI's are NOT the medications to give people with potential temporal lobe issues.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2005, at 17:19:47
In reply to Re: you're darn right, posted by linkadge on April 19, 2005, at 15:18:29
Today I walked on the beach with my husband, then rode my bike. When I was on my bike it seemed as if the world and all the people I saw weren't real. It is as if Babble has become the real world. I don't know if it's because I've been cooped up in the house due to bad weather and my surgery or what. All I've been doing is using the computer. This is what the real world has become to me. I am really scared! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by bimini on April 19, 2005, at 23:43:20
In reply to Re: you're darn right, posted by linkadge on April 19, 2005, at 15:18:29
I don't believe anybody is looking and perceiving anything objectively. It all gets filtered through a personal adjustend, scewed filter, giving us only some vague average. What is really real is not perceiveable nor understandable.
I don't know anything about cars but identify them by their trunks. There are the widebutts, duckbutts, pinchbutts, shelvebutts and squarebutts and so on. I maybe get the color right in recall, but if it was a duckbutt it rarely stays anything but vaguely yellow in memory.
I have somewhere in my life which now seems to be at least 100 years, learned several languages, the structure and vocabulary haven't stayed in their seperate compartments. Word and concept split for objects and sometimes for verbs. Like an ape constructing a sentence from given picture blocks, I work from within what is available at a given moment.
I have an understanding that objects are accessible and transformable in layers. There is a layer which concerns me in some way I don't understand, another layer which has nothing to do with me. Can't describe this well, it is like this other one is a backdrop, something out of my interactive realm and just maybe for decoration, some filler, fluff, entertainment or whatever. The interactive stuff layer is not constant and mallable by thought.
I'm in this state since over two years and have had to come to terms with its peculiar laws and find a way to function in it.Motion of body throws everything off, moving in any form I remind myself, look at my feet or something very stationary. Moving my head, the visual input comes delayed from movement and not all of it, closing eyes, refocusing resets what I am looking at now. Looking at movement close to me in respect to backdrop, yuck! Either block out the back or only focus on the far. Driving on a straight road with multiple traffic lights.... yeah lights friggin' everywhere, learned the top one is the one closest to me, regardless of what it looks like for distance. Shifting my head the whole straight plane like the lawn shifts into upper and lower ahh... like those 3d pictures but straight. Walking goes like this too, steps, curbs, hills, ramps, the third dimension is out of proportion.
The fourth dimension, time, is totally out of whack.
It was worse, much better now after vision therapy. But what remained is that thought becomes visual perceivable, visual process delays and superimposes onto something else which has nothing to do with it whatsoever. I was thinking in circles trying to make sense of what I'm looking at, wayyy too much work, too timeconsuming, missing important stuff kind of feel got me out of that one. Snuff.
I started drawing what I see how I see it, if only this would pay the bills I'd be happy, but noooo, I have to funk my way through, driving??? ignoring halluzinations, sorting out improbables from likely, acting like I've done this all my life. Well this is new territory for me and I'm at least 100 years old, tired of new tricks just throw me a bone.
bimini
Posted by paulbwell on April 20, 2005, at 1:33:34
In reply to Re: you're darn right » linkadge, posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2005, at 17:19:47
> Today I walked on the beach with my husband, then rode my bike. When I was on my bike it seemed as if the world and all the people I saw weren't real. It is as if Babble has become the real world. I don't know if it's because I've been cooped up in the house due to bad weather and my surgery or what. All I've been doing is using the computer. This is what the real world has become to me. I am really scared! Fondly, Phillipa
Saty off the SSRI's Link!!
Posted by linkadge on April 20, 2005, at 12:58:33
In reply to Re: you're darn right » Phillipa, posted by paulbwell on April 20, 2005, at 1:33:34
I'm on anafranil now which is virtually an SSRI.
Doctor doesn't want to prescribe other things cause he says it won't work for my anxiety.Linkadge
Posted by paulbwell on April 20, 2005, at 15:54:00
In reply to Re: you're darn right, posted by linkadge on April 20, 2005, at 12:58:33
> I'm on anafranil now which is virtually an SSRI.
> Doctor doesn't want to prescribe other things cause he says it won't work for my anxiety.
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> Linkadge
>You sound very sorry for yourself, a stimulant may help, maybe with a benzo
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