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Posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 17:10:40
I have this horrible problem, where it feels like somebody is pushing me from different directions.
It feels like giant magnets are pulling my head this way and that. It feels like my head is the size of a balloon. It also feels like the floor is untsable and is tilting this way and that.What are these symptoms. I'm just on zoloft.
Help, does anyone feel like this ??
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 17:12:45
In reply to Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 17:10:40
Sometimes It also feels like somebody is twisting my head to the left.
I just can't take it anymore, I can't.
Linkadge
Posted by Sebastian on January 21, 2005, at 17:41:51
In reply to Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 17:10:40
Posted by griswald on January 21, 2005, at 18:20:03
In reply to Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 17:10:40
Sometimes I get something similar. I feel like something is pulling or pushing on my upper neck. Weird. Actually, it happens when I take SSRI's.
Posted by Cairo on January 21, 2005, at 19:41:24
In reply to Re: Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by griswald on January 21, 2005, at 18:20:03
SSRIs cause a similar feeling in me that I attribute to muscle fasciculations in the neck. I would wake up at night or in the morning with jaw muscle tremor. I can't handle SSRIs because I already have tight muscles. I also get other serotonin overload type symptoms, even at low doses.
Cairo
> Sometimes I get something similar. I feel like something is pulling or pushing on my upper neck. Weird. Actually, it happens when I take SSRI's.
Posted by bimini on January 21, 2005, at 20:31:52
In reply to Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 17:10:40
Concussions feel like that. My head has been in a steady fog since, my brain feels squeezed like pressure is building, walking feels like I'm on a boat. Better now, but at first I walked with head tilted back or I couldn't walk, fall over backwards when getting up, so in that case I need to lean forward. A whole lot to remember in an alrady confused state.
Some of the problem is visual, I just can't see right, nothing looks straight and constant. Some is blood pressure going up and down at inconvenient times. It took me two years to figure out walking straight, I have a cane too.bimini
Posted by Maximus on January 21, 2005, at 20:34:24
In reply to Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 17:10:40
Muscle tension?
I had this too when i was on TCAs. Except i was less stupid...
Posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 21:45:57
In reply to Re: Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by bimini on January 21, 2005, at 20:31:52
"Some of the problem is visual, I just can't see right, nothing looks straight and constant"
This is exactly what I have. Everything I see is out of proprortion. Things pop out at me. Distances are all distorted. Shapes that I know are square look all skewed. I'm only 21 and I feel like I'm dying.
Linkadge
Posted by mattw84 on January 21, 2005, at 21:51:00
In reply to Re: Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this) » linkadge, posted by Maximus on January 21, 2005, at 20:34:24
Don't know that there is a name for that symptom... but with SSRI's each individuals response widely varies. (Emphasis on widely!) So much so that many, many, many side-effects are undocumented -- thusly typically evoke confusion in most MDs and they will try to find some other physiological problem occurring; as opposed to faulting the SSRI.
Even though pharmocologist don't know *exactly* why or how SSRI's treat depression. It is known that 95% of 5-HT (Serotonin) present in the body is NOT in the brain! So it is no suprise that many people experience such diversely adverse physical reactions to this class of drugs. Until the patents run out on them though, we will likely be stuck with them as first-line treatment for depression -- and just about anything else! (i.e., Cymbalta is approved to treat urinary incontinence in EU!)
That's all I have for that topic... no conclusions... sorry link : ) Maybe somebody really is pushing you though?? Have you checked that? ; )
Best regards link!
Matt
Posted by Sebastian on January 21, 2005, at 22:02:57
In reply to Re: Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 21:45:57
I'm only 28 and I feel like I'm dying. No life no freinds, no fun, no nothing. Just pills. I'm cutting down. Maybe I will live again. Live again I must be dead.
Posted by mmcconathy on January 21, 2005, at 22:36:48
In reply to Re: Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by Sebastian on January 21, 2005, at 22:02:57
Im 17, have no friends either. My main problem is dissociative periods.
Lets go dig our graves.
Anyways, im trying to get another perception of life.
Misery.
Matt
Posted by justyourlaugh on January 22, 2005, at 0:33:29
In reply to Re: Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 21:45:57
i think it is so important that you know your perceptions are off..
it has taken me years and years to notice..
i could never understand why people had such gossip to spead about me..could never see myself as "ill"..
can we go back to ignorance?
can we pass each other in zellers?
jyl.
Posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 10:38:19
In reply to sweet link.., posted by justyourlaugh on January 22, 2005, at 0:33:29
I just hate those feelings of death, of degeneration. Fears of irriversably loosing something that I can never gain back.
I know that now, I feel much worse pysically, emotionally, spiritualy, and cognitivly than I ever did in the past.
I have taken so many medications and supplements I know that much of what I am going through is irriversable.
I keep repeating the same old patterns over and over again, trying to derive some pleasure from them. I fear that If I can't enjoy what I loved the most, what defined me in the past, then I could never enjoy again.
Linkadge
Posted by mcp on January 22, 2005, at 11:27:34
In reply to Re: sweet link.., posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 10:38:19
"I have taken so many medications and supplements I know that much of what I am going through is irriversable."
Part of what you say is true, but that is the part that deals with the fac that these medications cause severe damage to our central nervous systems. The part where you are wrong is continually trying to find the answer from the very medications that have put you in this spot to begin with. Linkadge, I have read many of your posts since I have been here. My heart goes out to you. If you have a desire for trying this medication free then send me an email at xxx. I think I may be able to point you in the right direction. If not, good luck. I have yet to find someone who has found true, substantial, long-term healing from these medications and getting off them, but doing it the correct way, has saved my life. God bless
> I just hate those feelings of death, of degeneration. Fears of irriversably loosing something that I can never gain back.
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> I know that now, I feel much worse pysically, emotionally, spiritualy, and cognitivly than I ever did in the past.
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> I have taken so many medications and supplements I know that much of what I am going through is irriversable.
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> I keep repeating the same old patterns over and over again, trying to derive some pleasure from them. I fear that If I can't enjoy what I loved the most, what defined me in the past, then I could never enjoy again.
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Posted by bimini on January 22, 2005, at 16:11:20
In reply to Re: Feeling like somebody is pushing me (what is this), posted by linkadge on January 21, 2005, at 21:45:57
> Everything I see is out of proprortion. Things pop out at me. Distances are all distorted. Shapes that I know are square look all skewed. I'm only 21 and I feel like I'm dying.
> LinkadgeYes, stepping off a curb is maybe one inch or one foot. Pothole? what pothole? -------Crack/crunch!!! All I do is fall over and into things. I have made good progress undergoing vision therapy for 10 months. I could not count accurately anything because nothing stayed put long enough, perfectly stationary stuff like gas meters and trees. Also distant things don't seem to look smaller than things near, so can't tell what is closer. Everything goes weird trying to understand. Visual tests showed each eye was looking independently, not cooperating with each other and focusing. I tried prism lenses, which work for some, not for me. Therapy improved depth perception which helped balance problems a lot. But I still have gaps of paused visual comprehension, things pop up out of nowhere all the time. I know from therapy that each eye alternated processing, this made the wobble look until the eye that takes over adjusts. You can't notice this looking with both eyes and the brain fills in the blanks fast enough ...normally. I'm still learning how to see now that I've learned walking.
bimini
Posted by rod on January 22, 2005, at 16:22:34
In reply to Re: Take~~ an anti-psychotic~~~~ (nm) » linkadge, posted by Sebastian on January 21, 2005, at 17:41:51
I also bet psychotic symptoms.
When a doc tried to do a quick diagnosis and to look for psychotic symptoms they asked things like: Do you sometimes feel you are moving while staying still? How are the colors? are they brighter tahn usual. Do you something have the feeling somthing, god for example, is trying to tell you something? Do you sometimes feel there are like hidden messages, only addressed to you? etc. etc.And as far as I know, some things sound like you... I dont want to allege that you are psychotic.
Just my 2 (or 3 :-) ) cents.Roland
Posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 16:51:41
In reply to Linkadge, posted by mcp on January 22, 2005, at 11:27:34
Well, generally I would take your advice, however I am really not putting all that much faith in these medications. They are only one tool in the chest for me. I have resisted Zoloft increases posed by my docotors.
For instance, most people don't know that I also do the following to help treat my depression.
1) Jog 1.5 hours a day (every single day) to
help combat anxiety and to help me sleep.
(if you don't believe me I invite you to
Waterloo Ontario, Canada to join me !!)2) Eat the best diet possable.
Ample calories, fat, tryptophan rich foods
Multivitamin, Omega 3 etc.
Plenty of water,
Periodic fasting.3) Do things I enjoy like:
Listening to classical music.
Playing the piano.
Praying (daily)
Reading the bible
Going to church.4) Maintaining meaningful reationships.
5) Counselling
The list goes on. I think many come to this board and assume we are all just a bunch of lazy people who want to sit on the couch and pop pills.I have been labled manic- because of my almost frantic battle to beat this depression. What am I looking for you ask? The ability to look in the mirror at the end of the day, and say "I want to live!"
I have been to the hospital many times because of stopping my medications. I have weaned, tapered and tried it every which way possible. I don't mean to be condescening, but I have a LONG history of depression and suicide attempts in my family. If you are seeing it in a different angle that I have approached, then please share it with all of us.This is not a game for me it is a daily battle. I just come here for hope, even if they are just small whimsicle moments.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 16:54:52
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 16:51:41
Posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 17:09:24
In reply to Re: Take~~ an anti-psychotic~~~~, posted by rod on January 22, 2005, at 16:22:34
I have been on antipsychotics before. Risperdal, olanzapine, zyprexa, and melleral.
They don't really do much more than make me feel really apathetic, and walk like a pigeon.
My problem right now is just a generall screwed upness. Residual effects from the rTMS, and over 30 meds I have tried. I think.
I do experience some of the symptoms you wrote, some of the time, but I really don't think I am psychotic. I mean, I suppose I could be but I don't really see improvement with antipsychotics, except perhaps a bit better sleep.
Linkadge
Posted by ed_uk on January 22, 2005, at 17:32:00
In reply to Re: Take~~ an anti-psychotic~~~~, posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 17:09:24
Well, at least you're body is not screwed up- I can't even run for 1.5 seconds, 1.5 hours would be out of the question.
Ed.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2005, at 18:10:55
In reply to Linkadge, posted by mcp on January 22, 2005, at 11:27:34
> If you have a desire for trying this medication free then send me an email at xxx.
Please do not offer medication directly to others here.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by emme on January 22, 2005, at 19:25:19
In reply to Re: offering medication to others » mcp, posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2005, at 18:10:55
> > If you have a desire for trying this medication free then send me an email at xxx.
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> Please do not offer medication directly to others here.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
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> Thanks,
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> BobI may be wrong but i suspect mcp meant "medication-free", as in trying to make do without medication.
Posted by mcp on January 23, 2005, at 9:34:20
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by linkadge on January 22, 2005, at 16:51:41
Linkadge, two quick points.
It sounds like you are doing a lot of good things in the proactive area of keeping things at bay. Everything looked good to me, although I am certainly no expert. I would say I noticed you mentioned tryptophan rich foods. I know when I first came off meds I did the same thing as well as take supplements that encouraged the production of serotonin. It did nothing but make me worse. It wasn't that my body didn't have enough serotonin, it was that the receptors had been damaged by the 'medications' so excess serotonin only left my brain flummoxed as to what to do with it.
Secondly, my original point was that it wasn't until I came to the point that I realized that drugs weren't the answer, but part of the problem that I started to feel better. I have read many of your posts about different meds and supplements you have tried as well as other measures. THis is where I am gonna offend some people, but if that is the way it has to be. I found that sites like this are really quite sad. My heart goes out to each and every person here searching for an answer to what plagues us. If someone finds it with medication then more power to you, but it is rare and usually fleeting. Usually the opposite happens and the meds create more problems than they solve, at least in the long run. I have run across some people that really know this stuff and I was going to point you in their direction if getting off meds is something you wanted to explore. ONce again, here is my email. Hopefully, they won't delete it. Email me if you'd like a link mcpark@socal.rr.com
As always, God bless
> Well, generally I would take your advice, however I am really not putting all that much faith in these medications. They are only one tool in the chest for me. I have resisted Zoloft increases posed by my docotors.
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> For instance, most people don't know that I also do the following to help treat my depression.
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> 1) Jog 1.5 hours a day (every single day) to
> help combat anxiety and to help me sleep.
> (if you don't believe me I invite you to
> Waterloo Ontario, Canada to join me !!)
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> 2) Eat the best diet possable.
> Ample calories, fat, tryptophan rich foods
> Multivitamin, Omega 3 etc.
> Plenty of water,
> Periodic fasting.
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> 3) Do things I enjoy like:
> Listening to classical music.
> Playing the piano.
> Praying (daily)
> Reading the bible
> Going to church.
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> 4) Maintaining meaningful reationships.
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> 5) Counselling
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> The list goes on. I think many come to this board and assume we are all just a bunch of lazy people who want to sit on the couch and pop pills.
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> I have been labled manic- because of my almost frantic battle to beat this depression. What am I looking for you ask? The ability to look in the mirror at the end of the day, and say "I want to live!"
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Posted by emme on January 23, 2005, at 10:34:12
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by mcp on January 23, 2005, at 9:34:20
> I found that sites like this are really quite sad. .... If someone finds it with medication then more power to you, but it is rare and usually fleeting.
Don't forget that you are seeing a skewed population here. The people who have had success with their medication are less likely to post on the internet.
Posted by mike13 on January 23, 2005, at 13:08:08
In reply to Re: Linkadge, posted by mcp on January 23, 2005, at 9:34:20
> Usually the opposite happens and the meds >create more problems than they solve,
You can really say that again.. taking meds was the worst mistake in my life.. now many of the problems I experience now are irreversible.. initially I was attempting to treat something that WAS REVERSIBLE..
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