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Posted by pmz on October 10, 2004, at 19:10:03
In reply to Re: How long do the withdrawal symptoms usual last?, posted by Jubilee on October 10, 2004, at 12:53:01
I would never suggest that anyone hand over control of their lives to someone else unless they are finding that they could be harmful to themselves or others. I do suggest that when you are going to change the dose of your medication, you do so under the guidance of a medical professional. I say this because the changes in medications and dosages can affect any other medication therapies effectiveness. Effexor xr is not the only medication that has the side effects that I have seen listed in these postings. All antidepressive medications can affect your mood swings, your liver or kidneys, your appetite, sex drive, feelings of hopelessness, anxiety, panic attacks, etc. It seems to me that people are so centered on believing that the medication is what is causing the negative health issues or behaviors, when it could be just that you are not getting the wanted effect from this medication and may need to try something else. This is why it is so important for you to let your doc. know everything that is going on with you when you are on antidepression therapies. I am so sorry that some have had severe adverse reactions to the medication, but that does not mean that every one who takes it will. I am afraid that there will be someone who is actually benefitting from the medication who will stop taking it because they might think that they will have the same adverse result, and then because of the stopping of the medication, do something harmful to themselves or others. I just want to caution everyone to be cautious, but also be informed about their drug therapies.
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 11, 2004, at 3:18:22
In reply to Re: How long do the withdrawal symptoms usual last?, posted by pmz on October 10, 2004, at 19:10:03
PMZ, You had some very valid points and some sage advice. Of course, none of this medication should be used without being a dr's care. But, any of us that have been the rat in the maze before with other medications, often times more than once and it my case and in many others, quite a few. The family practioners and psy. docs are throwing darts at a board with meds. on it instead of numbers. It is a best guess, at best, for coming up with the right cocktail for each individual. I must say though, after being thru the here let's try this about 10 times, I know the signs and symptons of what works and what when my body is telling me "this is not working get it out of me or else!". And most recently for me, it was Effexor XR, really hitting home in August, while on an increase dosage schedule, I hit an all time low. So I knew it was time for a change. I knew I had to start weaning myself off so I would be ready to hopefully start something better for me. I have gotten to the point of not calling my psy dr. with every issue or asking for another appointment, because unless it is a life threatening crisis, it is next to impossible to see them. So I have starting writing letters to them in advance of my next visit, which I did 3 weeks in advance of my visit this week, explaining what had happened and what I had planned to do. And my visit this time is with a nurse, not even the doc. (which is usually a waste of time, except to get refills...but in this case, I would hope she has read my memo before hand and will have a new game plan for me when I go into the nurse.) I think that in the case of mental health issues and any health issue people need to start taking the initiative to be informed and willing to take steps on their own, especially if their doctor is not doing so. I think this is especially true for someone being treated for mental health issues by their family doctor, many of them just don't know and are willing to hand out whatever starter pack that the lastest drug rep brought by along with all of those good freebies, cookies, subway sandwiches and probably a lot more that would surprise us all. The drug companies are playing a high stakes game. It is scary, very scary, look at Serzone...Off the market and that was the first AD that I was put on back in like 1999. Sorry for rambling.......it is early, the coffee is still perking and my pill box has no Effexor XR in it for the first time in almost two years.......
e
Posted by S.Bartel on October 11, 2004, at 4:31:13
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 10, 2004, at 14:57:12
The problem with most Dr.'s is that they know what the drugs are supposed to do for us but they
don't read the possible side effects or warnings. My Dr. gave me a prescription last week that says not to take if you have liver disease. What are they thinking?? I am taking it upon myself to protect myself from their ignorance and investigating everything they try to give me. If you have any doubts about a medicine ask your pharmasit. They keep up on this stuff. Good luck, Sammi B.
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 11, 2004, at 5:12:26
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me??? » invisiblemanpa, posted by S.Bartel on October 11, 2004, at 4:31:13
Right on Sammi! And most them just hate it when we question their almighty wisdom....or the Good Lord forbid ask about a natural or homepathic treatment.......I changed family docs recently because the practice of older dr's were so out of touch with today's medicines, side etc.....just like you said...I know that can't know everything nor do I expect them to..but sometimes..they just don't know or care to......thank goodness for Dr. Bob and other recources on the net like Web MD...
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Posted by jujube on October 11, 2004, at 7:50:36
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 11, 2004, at 5:12:26
I agree. I think that most doctors, gp or pdoc, refer to the Physicians' Desk Reference which lists the the percentage of people experiencing side effects based on the pharmaceutical company's trials. When a patient brings up what they consider a side effect, the doc will tell them it is unlikely it is caused by the med since only a minute percentage experienced that particular side effect (or the side effect is not even listed). While I was on Effexor, for the first couple of months, I experienced myoclonus (almost like body convulsions/spasms) that woke me up from sleep. The doctor told me, in a dismissive tone, that everybody "twitches" when they are falling asleep. That may be true, but I was actually being awakened and practically bouncing off the bed two or three times a night. Then I developed night sweats and irregular cycles. I was told that I must be in perimenopause (even though the tests I had to check this out came back negative). And, oddly enough, the night sweats are gone since I stopped the Effexor. I think doctors need to listen more carefully to patients' experiences on the meds, and use the information they gather from their patients as valuable information to help them in treating others.
Thanks for listening.
Tamara
> Right on Sammi! And most them just hate it when we question their almighty wisdom....or the Good Lord forbid ask about a natural or homepathic treatment.......I changed family docs recently because the practice of older dr's were so out of touch with today's medicines, side etc.....just like you said...I know that can't know everything nor do I expect them to..but sometimes..they just don't know or care to......thank goodness for Dr. Bob and other recources on the net like Web MD...
> E
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 11, 2004, at 11:13:29
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me??? » invisiblemanpa, posted by jujube on October 11, 2004, at 7:50:36
You are absolutetly right! I don't know how many times I have been into a Psy doc of family practice doc. and they just stare at you while you try to explain to them what your symptons, side effects are. I think 90% of the time the just dish out their standard practice answer. It is so hard to find a Dr. that is up to date in their knowledge,are truly caring and will listen.
I am anxious to find out what is in store for me tomorrow when I visit the offic and see the nurse. I wrote the Psy. doc and told her I was taking myself off of Effexor as it was truely pushing me in the wrong direction and I asked for something new to try....Zoloft, Lexapro, Cymbalta?.. an Ad with low side effects, good success rate, and good cross over benefits for socail anxiety...(I must be dreaming!)...by the way this is my first day of no Effexor and I feel fine! Well not perfect...but so far no scary side effects.......knock on wood......
e
Posted by tatarka on October 11, 2004, at 11:55:54
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 11, 2004, at 11:13:29
Good support for liver is Liv.52. It protects liver from toxins' affect. I remember they prescribed me Liv.52 when I was a kid back in Russia, when I had to take lots of antibiotics. And I just found an info about this med on-line while searching for high enzymes. I'm going to ask my doc for prescription.
Posted by pmz on October 11, 2004, at 19:13:46
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 11, 2004, at 11:13:29
I am so glad that you are doing well with the weaning of the Effexor xr. I believe that everyone should be informed and knowledgable about their medications and treatments. I believe that everyone who feels that they are not getting the theraputic treatment from a medication should let their doc. know and ask for something else. I also believe that with the resources that are available today, we all should make the effort to learn all we can about our conditions or illnesses, and the treatments given for them. You are your own patient advocate. You are ultimatly the one who is in control of your health care.
Like I suggested in I believe the first posting I placed, If you are seeing a doc. that will not listen to you and really strive to understand what is going on with you, then find another doc. I have changed from doc to doc until I found one who will try to understand all my illnesses and really listen to me when I am telling about something that is wrong and needs to be addressed.
No, not all docs will do that. Unfortunately that is what the changes in the health care systems we have today has given us. Clinics who worry more about how many people they can run through the office today, than whether they are giving each patient the time with the doc. that is really needed for that patient. It isn't fair or right, but it is a fact. The insurance companies have made it almost impossible for the docs to do anything less. They have dictated how much any procedure should cost, how long a person should be in he hospital for anything, and what they will pay, and how much of that the doc actually gets which is a fraction of what it should be. Why do they run us through like cattle? Because while our costs of living has risen, so has theirs. Their cost for office space, utilities, wages they pay their office help and nurses, and the costs of their malpractice insurance has skyrocketed. Does that make it right? No, but that is the way it is.
You see, not only am I a fellow patient with a list of health issues as long as your arm, I was also one of those overworked frustrated people who was a health care giver both in the hospital and in the clinic. I am a nurse. I am not longer able to work due to my illnesses, but that doesnt' change who I am. I not only suffer from depression, but I am in a wheelchair a great deal of the time due to having guillain barre 4 years ago, I also have fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis, GERD, pulmonary insufficiency due to interstitial pneumonia 3 years ago, and the list goes on. I speak from experience on both sides of the fence. I do understand what you are talking about.
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 12, 2004, at 5:04:35
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by pmz on October 11, 2004, at 19:13:46
Yes it is a struggle with the meds.......I pray that we all find a solution to control or stop all of these problems.......2nd Day no Effexor XR,
I feel fine...sleep is still screwy....keep waking up every 1/2 hour of so..then up for good by 4:00...guess the seratonin is adjusting itself...anxious to see what the Wizard Of Psy. has in store for me today.....God Bless all of you out there in Dr. Bob land...keep fighting the good fight....life is worth living and rebuilding...
e
Posted by utopizen on October 12, 2004, at 11:39:29
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by pmz on October 11, 2004, at 19:13:46
Anyone with bruxism at night (teeth griding) should make it a priority to see their dentist or orthodontist and get a mouth guard. They're around $400, so they're cheaper than $20,000 for capping your teeth down the road.
Also, Klonopin at bedtime can reduce drug-induced bruxism to some extent. But there remains no cure.
Posted by Juliejean on October 12, 2004, at 12:28:54
In reply to How long do the withdrawal symptoms usual last?, posted by Eric C on October 9, 2004, at 14:35:59
My withdrawels lasted only 3 days...Why? Well I did some research.But before you do this ask your doctor first! First,let me tell I took the effexor for Anxiety..went off because of weight gain! So anyway, try this (3) Niacin and (3) Omega3 (Both you can find in any Vitamin store) take in the morning for 3 days! Long term use of niacin may be bad for liver! The niacin will also make you flush (rash)for about 30 min its normal and safe! The reason this works,is because it opens up your blood flow and gets that stuff out of your system faster!I was at 75 mg when I quit!
Anyway hope this helps,good luck
Posted by utopizen on October 12, 2004, at 13:17:29
In reply to Re: How long do the withdrawal symptoms usual last?, posted by Juliejean on October 12, 2004, at 12:28:54
I was on 375 mg of Effexor for 6 months for social anxiety (before I got depression a year later) and I did get some withdrawl side effects, but they were so benign I forgot what they were, and they only lasted 3 days.
Don't minimize your dose to avoid withdrawl symptoms, since there's no evidence this helps in anyway anyway. Just take the stuff, and if it doesn't work after 6 months of a high dose like 450mg or whatever, switch to something else. If you do get severe withdrawl, you can always get like 10 days worth of some Klonopin or something to chill out with and you'll be fine. Some experience severe withdrawl, but there's no reason to avoid the medication or minimize your dose because some people get this way.
Life is full of risks, but untreated depression adds a lot more risks than withdrawl does!
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 12, 2004, at 13:54:45
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by utopizen on October 12, 2004, at 11:39:29
Don't pay that kind of ridiculous money.......a good pharmacy will have something similiar to a sports mouth guard....but not as bulky.....you heat them in in boiling water, let in cool, then bite into it and put your teeths impression in it...all for about ..maybe $7.50....believe me they work....I used a mouth guard for Tae Kwon Do for years and they most definately protected my teeth...though not my lips.....so I think they could helping with grinding.........I know they are sold because my dentist told me that I was wasting money having him make one.....I have done the same thing and really ground my bottom teeth down....most definatley will have to get them capped and enameled some day.....
e
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 12, 2004, at 13:59:01
In reply to Re: How long do the withdrawal symptoms usual last?, posted by Juliejean on October 12, 2004, at 12:28:54
Hey how about that, that must be why my withdrawl symptons were minimal. I added Omega 3 and Niacin to my vitamin regimen after finding out that the Effexor has sent my once low cholesterol sky rocketing! About two weeks ago...when I was going from about 75 mg of Effexor to 35... What a great crossover side effect of a natural med.........
Posted by Shyla on October 12, 2004, at 15:43:53
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 12, 2004, at 13:54:45
Wow! Who's your dentist? I appreciate his honesty, not trying to make an easy buck.
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 12, 2004, at 16:37:24
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by Shyla on October 12, 2004, at 15:43:53
Shyla,
Other than his honesty I was not impressed with skill level in this day of no pain, nice teeth denistry...but I guarantee yah, 1 klonpin, that you can find a night brace for grinding...check the net.........maybe a used one on EBAY?
e
Posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 19:27:11
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me??? » invisiblemanpa, posted by jujube on October 11, 2004, at 7:50:36
>Then I developed night sweats and irregular cycles. I was told that I must be in perimenopause (even though the tests I had to check this out came back negative). And, oddly enough, the night sweats are gone since I stopped the Effexor.
I started sweating before I started Effexor, and now I can't tell WHAT causes it. Are you on any birth control or hormone treatment?
Dripping,
pc
Posted by jujube on October 12, 2004, at 19:49:04
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 19:27:11
> >Then I developed night sweats and irregular cycles. I was told that I must be in perimenopause (even though the tests I had to check this out came back negative). And, oddly enough, the night sweats are gone since I stopped the Effexor.
>
> I started sweating before I started Effexor, and now I can't tell WHAT causes it. Are you on any birth control or hormone treatment?
>
> Dripping,
> pcI wasn't on birth control when I started getting the night sweats - only Effexor. I am not on hormone replacement. The night sweats stopped when I went off Effexor. However, I do experience morning hot flashes. I'm 42, so it is possible that I am in perimenopause. Or it could be a side effect from the Depo Provera that I started in early August. Who knows. I'm just happy I'm not waking up three times a night soaking wet anymore.
Tamara
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 13, 2004, at 4:37:52
In reply to Re: does anyone grind their teeth like me???, posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 19:27:11
I never had the sweats, but I hated the irregular cycles...just kidding.........Effexor is poison and should be taken off the market......thank goodness I made it off and have made a positive switch to cymbalta (Ihope!)
e
Posted by nsr on October 13, 2004, at 18:27:03
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Trying to Get off Effexor! HELP!, posted by Sean9 on April 7, 2003, at 13:35:34
> Xiao,
>
> Talk to your doctor about the withdrawal symptoms you are experiencing. Best plan for quitting Effexor should include (talk to your doctor about this stuff): 1. Wean off slowly, something like lowering your doseage 37 mg each week until your last week you're taking one 37 mg every other day. 2. Expect the withdrawal symptoms to continue another few days to two weeks after your last dosage 3. Try Benadryl as needed to help alliveate brain shivers and diziness (or another antihistimine like Claritin or Allegra-D). You can also try Dramamine as needed, which is reported to help. 4. Get a low dosage of Prozac prescribed and start taking as you begin to taper down your Effexor. 5. Think about going on Prozac or another med for a few months afterward you quit Effexor. Welbutrin is supposed to be good too. 6. Don't worry. You won't die of withdrawal, many people experience it, it is supposedely the second worst withdrawal next to Paxil. Do lots of searches on Effexor Withdrawal and read up.Hello everyone,
I found this site after trying to wean off Effexor due to very bad restless legs at night. Finding out that others have experienced weird S/E's from tapering down helped a lot to tolerate the twitching, buzzing, dizzyness, aches, and other bizarre sensations. After three months, I am down to a stable dose of 37.5 mg. a day, feeling mostly ok. Benedryl does help a little. Today I started on Wellbutrin SR 150 mg. and will take this once a day while taking Effexor 37.5 every other day for awhile, and eventually stop the Effexor entirely. If I get depressed again, I'll increase the Wellbutrin to 300 mg. If not, I want to try weaning off all anti-depressants, challenging because I've been on them for the most part of nine years. I would like to hear from others who have tried to wean off using Wellbutrin and Benadryl. Thanks.
Posted by jujube on October 13, 2004, at 18:38:37
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Trying to Get off Effexor! HELP! » Sean9, posted by nsr on October 13, 2004, at 18:27:03
> > Xiao,
> >
> > Talk to your doctor about the withdrawal symptoms you are experiencing. Best plan for quitting Effexor should include (talk to your doctor about this stuff): 1. Wean off slowly, something like lowering your doseage 37 mg each week until your last week you're taking one 37 mg every other day. 2. Expect the withdrawal symptoms to continue another few days to two weeks after your last dosage 3. Try Benadryl as needed to help alliveate brain shivers and diziness (or another antihistimine like Claritin or Allegra-D). You can also try Dramamine as needed, which is reported to help. 4. Get a low dosage of Prozac prescribed and start taking as you begin to taper down your Effexor. 5. Think about going on Prozac or another med for a few months afterward you quit Effexor. Welbutrin is supposed to be good too. 6. Don't worry. You won't die of withdrawal, many people experience it, it is supposedely the second worst withdrawal next to Paxil. Do lots of searches on Effexor Withdrawal and read up.
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I found this site after trying to wean off Effexor due to very bad restless legs at night. Finding out that others have experienced weird S/E's from tapering down helped a lot to tolerate the twitching, buzzing, dizzyness, aches, and other bizarre sensations. After three months, I am down to a stable dose of 37.5 mg. a day, feeling mostly ok. Benedryl does help a little. Today I started on Wellbutrin SR 150 mg. and will take this once a day while taking Effexor 37.5 every other day for awhile, and eventually stop the Effexor entirely. If I get depressed again, I'll increase the Wellbutrin to 300 mg. If not, I want to try weaning off all anti-depressants, challenging because I've been on them for the most part of nine years. I would like to hear from others who have tried to wean off using Wellbutrin and Benadryl. Thanks.There were postings in this thread by a couple of people who began supplementing with Omega 3's and niacinimide prior to and during withdrawal from Effexor and they reported a much easier time during withdrawal. It might be worth a try.
Posted by pmz on October 13, 2004, at 21:33:14
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Trying to Get off Effexor! HELP! » nsr, posted by jujube on October 13, 2004, at 18:38:37
There are some disorders that Effexor is used for the theraputic level it gives that is not just depression. If you are bipolar or manic depressive, then you should really discuss with your physician any plans to wean yourself off the drug.
I have been reading as well about the positive effect that taking the omega 3 fatty acids and the niacin is having on the side effects of withdrawal from the Effexor.Good sources of the omega 3 fatty acids is either Flax oil, or in fish oils. It may be because of this that I had such a mild occurance of negatie side effects when I had run out of medications. I take those supplements for the control or high colesterol. I had high colesterol before I started on the effexor and it has gone up since I have been taking it. My Tryglicerides were off the chart! I have not had labs run since I have been taking these supplements, but know that they are supposed to help. I take several supplements daily to assist with my general health, and can definately tell a difference when I do. If you do start taking niacin, there is a "flush-free" form so you don't have that effect from the supplement. It would certainly be worth a try, and cannot hurt you to do so.
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 14, 2004, at 2:11:39
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Trying to Get off Effexor! HELP! » Sean9, posted by nsr on October 13, 2004, at 18:27:03
I am off, 4th day, no brain shivers, I guess the Omega 3, Niacin, Klonopin and Still being on Remeron has helped, but my sleep patterns have got down the tubes.....I fall dead asleep and then start waking up around 10 or 11 every half hour then wake up for good at 2 or 3....my seratonin levels must be all screwy getting the effexor out of my system...Psy nurse said that when the Cymbalta kicks in that should stop...insomnia...I feel stuck between REM sleep and jumping into my exercise stuff to workout.....she also said to take an extra Klonopin when I wake the first time...which I did last night and it helped a bit...but I don;t want to start that every night as I am taking Temazepam for sleep when I go to bed............and I don;t want to run short of Klonopin and play that game with the Psy docs office.......they make you feel like a crack addict.....insomnia does suck.....I had it for years....I think I was sinking into my bout of depression without realizing it or wanting to acknowledge it......that it is I think one of the hardest parts especially for men........well I might as well go find something hot and black!
e
Posted by pmz on October 14, 2004, at 5:50:54
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Trying to Get off Effexor! HELP!, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 14, 2004, at 2:11:39
Good for you! I hope it continues to go well for you. I am just taking the 75mg twice a day where I was taking the 150mg twice a day and seem to be getting on fine with it. I do take the temazapam for sleep along with Xanax, and Elavil. I have taken Baclofen for leg spasms since I had Guillain Barre since that is a residual neuropathy from that. That was started before I started on the Effexor xr. I do have problems with insomnia periodically, but it is finding a sleep rhythm that matches my own biological clock. I worked graveyard shift as a nurse for so long that I am most normally a night crawler anyway. Maybe it is the peacefulness of the nights. Who knows. It is good that you are keeping a journal about your days and symptoms as you do this so you can see if any patterns result in your psych. or physical reactions to the withdrawal. We are rootin' for you! If you have any questions that I might be able to help with with my medical and nursing background, let me know. I have a great amount of resources at my disposal as well.
I honestly find this message board system a good support format for those with similar issues. I am grown keenly interrested in how others with similar problems get on. Thanks for sharing all.
You'all have a good day, and I will check in later.
Posted by Jubilee on October 14, 2004, at 11:47:29
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers Trying to Get off Effexor! HELP!, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 14, 2004, at 2:11:39
I was just thinking about your name invisable, and I was inspired to come back here and talk from my comfort chair in the living room.. I just walked out of a 21 year fog of MPD, and realized I have no friends but a numb angry roomate ,who says nothing, works or is sleeping, and one half sister left who talks on the net about the weather real good but doesnt want to get real about anything. I found the internet a few weeks back and descided I was too fragile to try to be communicating with others yet.. Started with this board. So you are off for 4 days now? Too bad you don't have some prozac for 7 days. I hope you weaned down to pebbles before quiting. I'm Takeing 4 months and it was suggested drop 25 mg a week, then lower to pebbles. I am taking about a 50 and a 37 per day and going real slow. Heard someone died on another board and I believe this drug is that dangerous.
So back to my plight and how I have been invisable for so long. I need healthy friends because I am about mental health and recovery and I am reading again "the Courage to Heal" and its a good friend because its truth and sanity in a very lonely life. Mine..
As for sleep, thats crazy. I dont fall asleep , I black out. Effexor gave me insomnia and hypermania starting 4 years ago when I got on it. I was feeling like I was a real bad person the other day and I was going to write about it, because I wake up so often in my recliner and ask myself "why didn't I just go to bed?" You are crazy and bad ,girl! But I don't want to sleep because I have hypermania and sleeping is a waste of good living time, and I've been fighting sleep for 4 years ,and I like being awake especially since God restored my mind from MPD.( thats a set of symptoms all in itself ,but can't find a board) I thought , you know , God doesnt say all this bad crap about me so why am I talking to myself this way. I need to show myself some compassion as my life has been a living hell and I am just starting to get my life back. Just think. When I am off effexor I will have more of my mind back!
My biggest problem these days is wondering where on the internet I fit in, besides here. Recovering Multiple Personality issues, recently delivered co dependent issues, incest issues, my son just died so I have grief issues, I just found out Ive been suffering with Fibromialgia since 83 last week so I am on that board too. I wonder if there is a board for multiple Issues? I hope it was ok to talk about whats really going on with me , because I sure don't have the time or the mind to search out ten different boards. So ,I'm back. Left you folks for awhile. Is being invisable a lifestyle with you too. Invisablemanpa? I'm in too much pain to sit here any longer so Ill say goodby and thanks anyone who takes the time to read this. At least It is a joy to be heard and responded too, and for that I feel much less invisable. God Bless. Jubilee PS. I do have one best friend named "Stanley John" He is my 7 year old 6 lb poodle who is an excelent service dog for me , and for that I am very blessed and thank my Lord Jesus. again, Jubilee.
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