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Posted by justjustine on July 14, 2004, at 10:38:20
In reply to Re: it does get better, posted by LynnPerley on July 14, 2004, at 7:23:03
it got a lot worse for me before it got better, for about a month i was sick. but i researched, and from what i read it seemed likely that a slower taper would have mostly kept me sick longer, although not so violently ill as i was for that long month.
unfortunately, i feel that i have been permanently changed by this drug. i'm acting out in ways i never did before. it's more like borderline symptoms than just 'depression' or 'anxiety' or even 'ptsd'.
Posted by Ultramundane on July 14, 2004, at 13:11:28
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawl symptoms, posted by John2222 on November 7, 2003, at 22:33:18
Well, quite frankly I felt like I was going to die when I stopped taking effexor XR. I had been taking 300 MG for only two years and my doctor had decreased my dose from 300 to 150 for one week and then to 75 for a week. Did no good.
Headaches, could not sleep, racing heart beat.
I started taking Sam-E 300 MG twice daily for one week and after third day felt absolutely great. Ran out and felt like crap again. So, I am taking Sam-E now and I feel way better than I was taking Effexor. And, Sam-E is good for your liver and joints (supposedly).
For me, Sam-E 300MG 2x/daily completely got rid of withdrawl symptoms. Also, I have a sex drive back, and I am losing weight (Effexor decreased by metabolism and made me fat). In addition, my sleep is down from 10 hours to 7 hours and I feel much more aware.
Bye.
Posted by itsrick on July 14, 2004, at 13:26:26
In reply to Re: it does get better, posted by Ultramundane on July 14, 2004, at 13:11:28
> Well, quite frankly I felt like I was going to die when I stopped taking effexor XR. I had been taking 300 MG for only two years and my doctor had decreased my dose from 300 to 150 for one week and then to 75 for a week. Did no good.
>
> Headaches, could not sleep, racing heart beat.
>
> I started taking Sam-E 300 MG twice daily for one week and after third day felt absolutely great. Ran out and felt like crap again. So, I am taking Sam-E now and I feel way better than I was taking Effexor. And, Sam-E is good for your liver and joints (supposedly).
>
> For me, Sam-E 300MG 2x/daily completely got rid of withdrawl symptoms. Also, I have a sex drive back, and I am losing weight (Effexor decreased by metabolism and made me fat). In addition, my sleep is down from 10 hours to 7 hours and I feel much more aware.
>
> Bye.hi, what is sam-e exactly?
Posted by Ultramundane on July 14, 2004, at 13:36:09
In reply to Re: it does get better, posted by itsrick on July 14, 2004, at 13:26:26
> > Well, quite frankly I felt like I was going to die when I stopped taking effexor XR. I had been taking 300 MG for only two years and my doctor had decreased my dose from 300 to 150 for one week and then to 75 for a week. Did no good.
> >
> > Headaches, could not sleep, racing heart beat.
> >
> > I started taking Sam-E 300 MG twice daily for one week and after third day felt absolutely great. Ran out and felt like crap again. So, I am taking Sam-E now and I feel way better than I was taking Effexor. And, Sam-E is good for your liver and joints (supposedly).
> >
> > For me, Sam-E 300MG 2x/daily completely got rid of withdrawl symptoms. Also, I have a sex drive back, and I am losing weight (Effexor decreased by metabolism and made me fat). In addition, my sleep is down from 10 hours to 7 hours and I feel much more aware.
> >
> > Bye.
>
> hi, what is sam-e exactly?
Here is a website which will describe the drug better than I can. How much information the site posts is valid? Not sure, but I feel great. :)
Posted by SLS on July 14, 2004, at 15:11:21
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now » Larry Hoover, posted by SLS on July 14, 2004, at 7:06:34
I'll make this the last post along this thread involving antidepressant-induced suicides. It is off topic here.> This would be an interesting use of statistics: Treat 500 people with Prozac and 500 people with placebo. In the active treatment arm, take the number n of non-responders as a group and determine the rate of treatment-emergent suicidal-ideation. Now, take the same number n of randomly chosen non-responders to placebo and compare the rates.
This is actually a pretty dumb idea. Not far off, but... never mind. I'll think about this some more. I'm sure with sufficient numbers, statistics with power can be teased out of trial data to unmask antidepressant-induced iatrogenic suicidal ideation. Someone smarter than me - or at least not so cognitively impaired by depression - should design a study to elucidate this. We know it's there. It's just a matter of using the right tools to produce the resolution necessary to prove it unequivocally.
- Scott
Posted by KaraS on July 14, 2004, at 15:34:56
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal side effects, posted by lorily on July 14, 2004, at 10:04:28
> Kara, good for you! yest and the day before I had none, but this morning I was too uncomfortable with the feeling of dizziness when turning my head, and I felt very emotional and have been having a headache. I took about 6 granules and have added light-headedness to my repritoir (SP?)
You're funny - at least you can laugh about it. If you have to go a little slower, that's ok. You're almost there!
Posted by itsrick on July 14, 2004, at 16:55:51
In reply to It does get better-I'm living proof, posted by KimberlyDi on July 14, 2004, at 7:45:21
> Psycho-Babble was my lifeline going through Effexor withdrawal. Even when I was finally off Effexor, I still had the weird dizziness to deal with when I turned my head too quickly. Now, I don't have them at all. Ordeal over.
>
> I just wanted to add that I had the best success tapering off with a planned schedule of varying dosage changes. I posted it several times months ago if anyone wants to try it. 2 steps forward, 1 step back. :)
>
> Good Luck!
> KDi in TXplease post again
Posted by LynnM. on July 15, 2004, at 14:23:55
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by worm on July 13, 2004, at 12:17:42
I am completely off the Effexor now, and I guess I can expect to feel all these above effects for a while. Still getting the brain zaps, moodiness, tiredness, inability to think clearly or think of common words/places/people. But, slowly getting my energy back, and the WANT to do something again.
My reason for the Effexor to start with was mild depression. I can definitely live without the med., and I look forward to getting back to "normal", whatever that is.
Good luck, everybody. It's not easy, being on it, or coming off of it. But, I really believe I'm better off without it. To feel euphoric all the time (and not caring about anything else) is just not how I want to conduct my everyday life.
Posted by cpallen79 on July 15, 2004, at 14:33:54
In reply to Re: Snake: How long does withdrawal last?, posted by KaraS on July 9, 2004, at 2:38:56
hello, I know firsthand just how hard effexor withdrawal is, it feels terrible and can be lengthy for some, but it ends. best of luck to all of you, and you will get through it.
Posted by worm on July 15, 2004, at 20:42:24
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by LynnM. on July 15, 2004, at 14:23:55
LynnM: That is EXACTLY how I feel. I actually embrace my bad moods and temper tantrums (well, to a point) because I am actually LIVING life, not just floating through it. Just my personal feeling. I *am* trying to keep the blow-ups to a minimum, both in length and number. I think talk therapy would be more helpful in this area than drugs, anyway.
Good luck, Lynn
Posted by itsrick on July 15, 2004, at 23:49:00
In reply to Re: Snake: How long does withdrawal last?, posted by cpallen79 on July 15, 2004, at 14:33:54
> hello, I know firsthand just how hard effexor withdrawal is, it feels terrible and can be lengthy for some, but it ends. best of luck to all of you, and you will get through it.
sign the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor/petition.html
Posted by alan38 on July 16, 2004, at 5:48:28
In reply to Re: It does get better-I'm living proof, posted by itsrick on July 14, 2004, at 16:55:51
How Long did your process take. I still am experiencing the occasional "Zap" but I am taking 1/2 of a claritin D 3 times a week. I am day 32 totally of Effexor. I know this season will end but like they say "Enjoy the process"!
Posted by alan38 on July 16, 2004, at 5:52:58
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by LynnM. on July 15, 2004, at 14:23:55
I am on day 32 or beginning of week (5). Brain zaps have decreased substantially. However, I am still taking 1/2 of a claritin D 3 times a week (don't have problem doing that). Totally eliminates the fogginess, residual zaps, dizziness, etc. I am with you that this may take a few months to totally clear up.
question- I was on 3 different ADs prior to Effexor over a (1) yr period. Do all ADs have the ability to produce the Brain Zaps withdrawl....
Posted by alan38 on July 16, 2004, at 5:58:17
In reply to to worm- how long, posted by snake on July 13, 2004, at 8:15:03
Question- I primarily feel the Zaps ( when I do feel them) in the morning, same time... Does anyone else experience that?
Posted by lorily on July 16, 2004, at 8:16:19
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by alan38 on July 16, 2004, at 5:52:58
We get the zaps because effecor has such a short half life. the others stay in your system for much longer enabling your brain to adjust slowly
I tried benadryl for the zaps, seems to help, I can't take antihistamines. They mess me up
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 16, 2004, at 14:36:29
In reply to Re: Going through Effexor Withdrawl now » Larry Hoover, posted by SLS on July 14, 2004, at 7:06:34
> > I've been studying the literature, and plan to write a review article on the subject of antidepressants and suicide.
>
> I look forward to reading it (as much as my depression will allow). Where will you be submitting it?I was going to do it for my own edification. I hadn't even thought of publication. Ya think I should post it here?
> > Overall, suicide rates are declining, while SSRI prescription rates are increasing. There are two distinct effects, but the summary statistic is that suicides are reduced by SSRIs, notwithstanding temporary increases in susceptibility.
>
> I know. Even if antidepressants do exacerbate depression in vulnerable individuals, the net effect of their use in the general population is, thankfully, a reduction in the rate of suicide. However, beyond the bottom line of the *interpretation* of statistics is the fact that these drugs do lead to the commission of suicide in certain individuals who would not have done so were they not to have been treated with a provocative medication. Everyone *must* recognize the fact that there exists such a thing as IATROGENIC SUICIDE. Hopefully, this can be accomplished without using any one drug unjustifiably as a scapegoat.I think we're in the process of remedying the situation, right now. It is wholly improper for a doctor to prescribe e.g. an SSRI, and then do nothing more than make an appointment for three months hence.
> I am very glad to see that you have chosen to come back. I only wish that I could read the volume of the posts you write.
>
>
> - ScottWell, after your post on Admin, I had reason for second thoughts. :-)
Lar
Posted by itsrick on July 16, 2004, at 15:03:15
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by lorily on July 16, 2004, at 8:16:19
> We get the zaps because effecor has such a short half life. the others stay in your system for much longer enabling your brain to adjust slowly
>
> I tried benadryl for the zaps, seems to help, I can't take antihistamines. They mess me upi have heard the following should be tried to decrease the withdrawal effects:
benadryl
sam-e
claritanany opinion on what is best?
r
Posted by alan38 on July 16, 2004, at 19:57:39
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by itsrick on July 16, 2004, at 15:03:15
I have been using claritin off and on as needed for about 3 weeks with good results. I don't know how long I will need to take it. I have heard so many varying posts on the length of time the zaps last. I feel good however. This too shall pass!
Posted by SLS on July 16, 2004, at 20:04:16
In reply to Re: antidepressants and suicide » SLS, posted by Larry Hoover on July 16, 2004, at 14:36:29
> > Everyone *must* recognize the fact that there exists such a thing as IATROGENIC SUICIDE. Hopefully, this can be accomplished without using any one drug unjustifiably as a scapegoat.
> I think we're in the process of remedying the situation, right now. It is wholly improper for a doctor to prescribe e.g. an SSRI, and then do nothing more than make an appointment for three months hence.
Exactly.
- Scott
Posted by itsrick on July 16, 2004, at 21:14:49
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by alan38 on July 16, 2004, at 19:57:39
> I have been using claritin off and on as needed for about 3 weeks with good results. I don't know how long I will need to take it. I have heard so many varying posts on the length of time the zaps last. I feel good however. This too shall pass!
that's encouraging! how many claritans per dose?
Posted by lorily on July 17, 2004, at 14:55:08
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by itsrick on July 16, 2004, at 21:14:49
Ive been using benadryl, working ok. Plus, I have a cold so it's doing double duty! Day 3 effexor free. I went 2 without, then took about 6 granules from a capsule, now 3 days without.
Posted by lorily on July 17, 2004, at 15:23:53
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by itsrick on July 16, 2004, at 15:03:15
Forgive me, I can't take decongestants, THEY mess me up. sorry. I've heard alot of people take claritan, I had none, just benadryl and that causes some sleepiness for most of us. sam-e is questionable because it acts as an AD and there is some controversy as with any natural supplements on how good they really are for you, of course your body can develop a dependance I've ehard.
I discussed with a Mica counselor friend of mine who says allegra would be best because there's no drowsiness sick effects. It's weird how an antihistamine could restore my equilibrium. Maybe I should try dramamine?????????????
Posted by boatsie on July 19, 2004, at 20:35:46
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by itsrick on July 16, 2004, at 15:03:15
Over pat 6 weeks i've tapered from 300 to 225 then to 180s.... made jump to 150 after only about 3 days at l80 and i'm feeling horrible. that sense of being just on the brtink of slipping into the twilight zone again, numbness and tingling in left leg, foot, arm fingers, sweating, exhaustion.... i am so afraid i'm going to slip back to where i was before i started on meds. my therapist has cautioned that once the depression takes hold again it will be like a wildfire in my brain.... God, I just want to feel what it felt like being me again i have been so tired of the distance, the blackness in the back of my brain, the lack of motivation, tiredness, lack of feeling....
Posted by itsrick on July 19, 2004, at 21:35:20
In reply to Re:I really need h elp, posted by boatsie on July 19, 2004, at 20:35:46
> Over pat 6 weeks i've tapered from 300 to 225 then to 180s.... made jump to 150 after only about 3 days at l80 and i'm feeling horrible. that sense of being just on the brtink of slipping into the twilight zone again, numbness and tingling in left leg, foot, arm fingers, sweating, exhaustion.... i am so afraid i'm going to slip back to where i was before i started on meds. my therapist has cautioned that once the depression takes hold again it will be like a wildfire in my brain.... God, I just want to feel what it felt like being me again i have been so tired of the distance, the blackness in the back of my brain, the lack of motivation, tiredness, lack of feeling....
we all know where you are boatsie. we'll hold the light at the end of the tunnel
Posted by Ultramundane on July 20, 2004, at 11:29:08
In reply to Re: to worm- how long, posted by lorily on July 17, 2004, at 15:23:53
I take sam-e and it does wonders for my mental well being. After only 3 days all withdrawl symptoms were gone and I felt much better. After a week I ran out of the sam-e and a few days later everything was back. The brain zaps, fogginess, dizziness, trembling, rapid heart beat. So, I started taking the sam-e again immediately and felt better the next day. This is just my experience with sam-e and I do not know of any major problems currently associated with the over the counter drug.
As you mentioned though, more study of sam-e is necessary.
> Forgive me, I can't take decongestants, THEY mess me up. sorry. I've heard alot of people take claritan, I had none, just benadryl and that causes some sleepiness for most of us. sam-e is questionable because it acts as an AD and there is some controversy as with any natural supplements on how good they really are for you, of course your body can develop a dependance I've ehard.
> I discussed with a Mica counselor friend of mine who says allegra would be best because there's no drowsiness sick effects. It's weird how an antihistamine could restore my equilibrium. Maybe I should try dramamine?????????????
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