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Posted by headachequeen on March 15, 2004, at 13:36:24
In reply to Re: Hair loss » katia, posted by kka on March 15, 2004, at 11:36:04
> Also why would I have to tirate down off Topamax, why can't I just quit taking it??
I think it may depend upon the reason one is taking Topomax...
for instance if one is taking it as an AED, then suddenly stopping the use of it will cause the seizures to start again... not a pleasant thought...kat
Posted by Patient on March 15, 2004, at 13:45:45
In reply to Re: Hair loss » katia, posted by Sooshi on March 14, 2004, at 15:32:53
Hi,
I am not trying to counteract what you have said, but, I did want to mention that many times TSH tests and other thyroid tests can come back normal even though the thryoid isn't working as it should. This is truer if the pituitary gland is not functioning normally as well. Many of these drugs-mood stabilisers and antidepressants-affect the endocrine system in one way or another by the way they alter monoamines-it can have a cascade effect in the body resulting in all sorts of side effects.
If anyone is experiencing hair loss or voice changes (as was mentioned above), it can be a good indicator as to something going wrong with the thyroid-in spite of normal thyroid tests. A few months on a dessicated thyroid glandular with positive results can be the best way to know whether or not there is a thyroid problem. Results can take a few months, not a few weeks. If one has to stay on a certain medicine causing hair loss, it's worth a try. I would still take the suggested vitamin and mineral supplements as well. They are all needed for a healthy endocrine system.
Posted by headachequeen on March 15, 2004, at 14:02:51
In reply to Re: Hair loss-dessicated thyroid glandular, posted by Patient on March 15, 2004, at 13:45:45
> Hi,
>
> I am not trying to counteract what you have said, but, I did want to mention that many times TSH tests and other thyroid tests can come back normal even though the thryoid isn't working as it should. This is truer if the pituitary gland is not functioning normally as well. Many of these drugs-mood stabilisers and antidepressants-affect the endocrine system in one way or another by the way they alter monoamines-it can have a cascade effect in the body resulting in all sorts of side effects.
>
> If anyone is experiencing hair loss or voice changes (as was mentioned above), it can be a good indicator as to something going wrong with the thyroid-in spite of normal thyroid tests. A few months on a dessicated thyroid glandular with positive results can be the best way to know whether or not there is a thyroid problem. Results can take a few months, not a few weeks. If one has to stay on a certain medicine causing hair loss, it's worth a try. I would still take the suggested vitamin and mineral supplements as well. They are all needed for a healthy endocrine system.question is, how does one go about convincing a doctor that there is a need, when the tests come back to the contrary?????
kat
Posted by katia on March 15, 2004, at 15:20:34
In reply to Re: Hair loss » katia, posted by kka on March 15, 2004, at 11:36:04
First in regards to the hair loss:
IT's not vain at all to worry about hair loss. Of course you're concerned. So am I. Yes, I took a drug holiday and was only on small doses of seroquel and fish oil. That's when I started noticing it. and this was just after an unsuccessful trial with lithium. Maybe li. switched me into hypothyroid. I don't know. I've never tried Topomax so I can't advise on the titration lowering schedule.Now, about my possible crazy rapid cycling all over the map state possibly induced by Wellbutrin. I think I'm going off of WB too. I've only been on 37.5mg for ten days. I've been a drinking maniac and just plain maniac on it since I started it. I feel totally out of control and it's scary. Wondering if it's switched me to rapid cycling again and mixed states. It only started after I began the WB two weeks ago.
Yikes. smashed my laptop screen (gone), went home with an italian that I just met...., cry and laugh all within an hour of each other. any little thing can crash my mood....I think I need to reexamine this.
anyone else have this effect? I've been on ADs alone prior to BP dx and this was the feeling of out of control. I thought it'd be different b/c I'm on 300mg of Trileptal. Maybe some BPs just cannot tolerate ADs??
Katia
Posted by Sooshi on March 15, 2004, at 15:48:41
In reply to BiPolars not tolerating ADs?, posted by katia on March 15, 2004, at 15:20:34
Katia - I could never tolerate Wellbutrin, because it always made me hypomanic, irritable...made me feel like I was sizzling like a piece of bacon!! I wish I could tolerate it, cuz I hear such good things about it, but I'm a BPer that just can't.....
Posted by katia on March 15, 2004, at 17:20:23
In reply to Re: BiPolars not tolerating ADs? » katia, posted by Sooshi on March 15, 2004, at 15:48:41
Yes, I feel out of control! And it just hits at times. It's not all the time. And once I even have one glass of wine, which previously I could handle and/or stop at, an insatiable monster takes over - MORE MORE MORE. I just move into wild crazy personality land and someone else takes over. I am losing it! Smashed my expensive laptop! Cry for ever in the shower, last night thought about cutting myself with a razor and then I'm normal again just like that. I think it may be the WB.
Were you affected even at low doses - like 37.5mg?
Katia
Posted by headachequeen on March 15, 2004, at 18:55:50
In reply to Re: BiPolars not tolerating ADs? » katia, posted by Sooshi on March 15, 2004, at 15:48:41
> Katia - I could never tolerate Wellbutrin, because it always made me hypomanic, irritable...made me feel like I was sizzling like a piece of bacon!! I wish I could tolerate it, cuz I hear such good things about it, but I'm a BPer that just can't.....
I am not sure about this welbutrin thing at all... oh there is that thing word again.. so much for the educated individual... is that a topomax side effect? destruction of vocabulary???
I was on it for a while, I forget how long, for depression... first with another anti-depressant and I forget the name of it... was on it for AGES and when I switched doctors following my own doctor's retirement, the new doctor had changed me from a few months to a year-round dose, then decided to wean me from the old med, the name will return to me eventually, to welbutrin... and eventually to add effexor to it...
when I was diagnosed as epileptic he dropped the welbutrin in a hurry as it can cause seizures even in a non-epileptic so heaven knows what it would do to the epileptic...
the first thing my neuro asked was if the seizures had begun before or after welbutrin and when I told him that the seizures had been a part of my life for twenty years and more, he then decided he would take me on as a patient... furious at the doctor who would not send me for further examination because he had not wanted me to have to live with the stigma of epilepsy...
for that matter he was not excited at my having to live with the stigma of depression either...
HEY!!! I do not have leprosy...
I am an epileptic and I suffer from bouts of depression... don't have two heads, and my skin is not green and I do not eat children... and have yet to do anything that relegates me to the category of the truly bizarre -- don't belong in a Stephen King film, honest, so why do I have to worry about the {stigma}????
oh well, I am supposed to have come past that argument and rant. sorry...
At any rate, the Luvox was supplanted by the Welbutrin... here, it comes with little happy faces on the tablets... oh it is the trademark, I know, but it is in the shape of a happy face... talk about insult to injury!
I don't think the Welbutrin made any change in my approach to life (unless the sudden upswing in seizures of course...)... I still had my creative highs and lows... when work went well I still soared higher than the clouds and talked with angels on a face to face level... when work was not going so well I I did not soar...
when the me-induced high ended, I crashed with an outrageous bang.. you probably felt the crash wherever you may be and thought it was a minor earthquake...
my crashes and highs were all caused by me and my reactions to what I was accomplishing...
or to the aftermath of the accomplishment... despite the efforts of Welbutrin to control the highs...
after all, when one reaches the top of Everest, one has to fall to the bottom again... or as me old dad was so fond of saying, 'After the Lord Mayor's show comes the dustbin'...
then the effexor was added to it...all it really did was subdue my feelings and emotions... I don't think it helped in anyway at all or changed anything in a positive sense... I was simply subdues and took no joy in my work and approached my work with no real zeal or drive...
the doctors could not understand that the drive and excitement was me, not a psychosis or whatever... they were determined that I was driven by some sort of manic-depressive personality and could not understand that I was doing the driving and that without that drive, I was no one...
I am ADD and I guess, now that I understand it better, I am to some extent, maybe a large extent, hypomanic, but no I am not BiPolar, and their drugs were simply destroying the person I really was...
then they added the zyprexa and that was a real lark...Zombie-land... the waking dead...I think the welbutrin was preferable to those two...
my sister-in-law is presently on welbutrin and has been told that she must not have alcohol... well, she is an alcoholic, whether she wants to face it or not; not a fall down drunk, but a person who has to have a few beers a day or she cannot go on with her life alcoholic...
she has quit taking topomax for that reason, despite the fact that it controlled the seizures and tics that she has developed thanks to a broken spinal column, because she cannot drink any alcohol and take topomax...
she is also the one who warned me about alcohol and topomax... she learned the hard way...
she finds that welbutrin and alcohol don't go well together other than in low doses, so she has changed her dose to a lower one than that prescribed...
other than that it does not seem to cause any problems...
and I keep pumping her for information as she seems to have been on most of the meds that are mentioned here ...
never know when it might be a helpful bit of info for someone...
kat
Posted by Sooshi on March 15, 2004, at 23:25:05
In reply to Re: BiPolars not tolerating ADs? » Sooshi, posted by katia on March 15, 2004, at 17:20:23
Oh yes, at whatever the starting dosage of Wellbutrin is, that's where the trouble began, because I was never able to get much above that dose! I stayed at a very low dosage for months, trying to adjust to this med... I believe I was taking it with Zoloft. Wellbutrin gave me the "energy", if that's what you want to call it, to help me with the fatigue of depression, but along with that energy came extreme instability, anger, hyperactivity, irritation....it just didn't work for me. The pdoc just wanted to keep adding benzos and antipsychotics to counteract it....I just said forget it!
Posted by katia on March 16, 2004, at 2:15:46
In reply to Re: BiPolars not tolerating ADs? » katia, posted by Sooshi on March 15, 2004, at 23:25:05
Hi Sooshi and everyone,
Well I didn't take the WB today and I do feel a bit differently. Don't know how long it takes to leave the body. Anyone know? I had a glass of wine after work - just one - and did not get loopy and crazy and want more and do stupid stuff. I'd have to say that alcohol and WB are very potent mixture. We'll see how I go for the next few days only on Trileptal. Damn! and i just bought three months worth of WB. Anyone want any? :-) just kidding Dr. Bob.
Katia
Posted by Viridis on March 16, 2004, at 3:33:02
In reply to Re: BiPolars not tolerating ADs?, posted by katia on March 16, 2004, at 2:15:46
WB can do very strange things to some people -- like me, and also a good friend of mine. My pdoc is very cautious with it for anyone with anxiety or manic-type problems, and wasn't surprised that it caused anxiety, sleeplessness, dizziness, and all sorts of weird side effects for me (it was prescribed by my GP).
It works well for some people, but definitely can cause some extreme reactions. My friend thought she was having a heart attack the first time she took it.
I quit it after two months with no withdrawal etc., and the side effects stopped within a day or two.
BTW, my pdoc did not think this was a bipolar issue, just a not-uncommon reaction to a fairly unusual drug.
Posted by platinumbride on March 16, 2004, at 13:50:05
In reply to Re: Tapering off Topa, posted by Sooshi on March 13, 2004, at 19:01:11
When I went off topamax, I did it in one fell swoop. I just couln't handle the headaches it gave me. I was on 200mgs, went down to 100 in a day, then 50 , 25 and I was done within like 3 or 4 days.
Maybe zonegran needs a body free of topamax to do it's job....I do wish you luck.
Diane
Posted by Patient on March 16, 2004, at 14:51:27
In reply to Re: topomax and voice changes » Patient, posted by headachequeen on March 15, 2004, at 14:02:51
Hi,
A very good question I should have addressed, as well as suggested transdermal progesterone cream.
Hopefully you have a doctor who listens, and not only goes by the newest way of diagnosing medical conditions-through test(s) that can be costly, if not time consuming-but also uses the old school of diagnosing-by ones symptoms. Some doctors will put a patient on a trial medicine to see if improvement is seen, even if tests say contrary.
Raw thyroid glandular, such as Armour, is only available through a physician, but over-the-counter preperations are available, such as Multi-Glandular from American Biologics, as well as Thyroid 130mg tablet, from the same company, also Multi-glandular from Miller Pharmacal Group, Inc. These can be found at VitaminShoppe.com
Since most mood stabilisers and antidepressants effect the endocrine system in one way or another, which can lead to hormonal imbalance, women may want to try a natural progesterone cream, such as Femgest from Home Health or Progestacare from Life-flo Health Care Products-available from the above source, as well as other internet sources, and at your local health food store. This is an excellent alternative to taking thyroid extract, and often when women come out "normal" on a thyroid test may be progesterone deficient and can often be adequately treated by restoring normal progesterone levels using transdermal progesterone creams. This thyroid-balancing effect does not occur with the synthetic progestins such as Provera or the oral progesterone pills. So, if you have low thryoid symptoms, you can try using some progesterone cream for a few months. If you still have the symptoms, then consider thyroid extract.
An excellent source of information on progesterone cream is found in the book "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Premenopause"
Posted by headachequeen on March 16, 2004, at 16:05:46
In reply to Re: Ask your doctor, posted by Patient on March 16, 2004, at 14:51:27
> Hopefully you have a doctor who listens,
I forgot all about the thyroid possibilities....
had a meeting with my regular doctor today.. the neuro kicked me loose in November as he felt that things were doing well...
my doctor is not satisfied and wants me to see the neuro again...
He is not content with the idea of a couple of seizures now and then...
and thinks that the Tegretol should be replaced...
yes the TEGRETOL ... as I have to take Serc to calm the nausea and the abdominal pains and the seizures still occur he thinks the Tegretol is not working...
I will not give up Topomax under any circumstances... I do not want to have the migraines return and I do not want the seizures to start to return to the former intensity...
and I have come to terms with the side effects I can recognise as being attributable to Topomax...
so maybe they will just increase the Topomax and dump the Tegretol....
oh I hope so... and now I shall breathe LOL
and when I go back next week...we are seeing each other weekly to deal with this depression thing... he is ticked with the psychologist... I shall remember to ask about possible thyroid problems that might not show up in the testing that was done recently... had to be done to be sure that the eye problems were not thyroid-related...
nothing could be that simple LOL after all, I am a redhead...
oh to think that Tegretol may be eliminated from my life...
of course there is then the unknown factor... and it could be worse I know...
but I shall cross that bridge when I come to it...as for welbutrin and alcohol, the sister-in-law tells me that she was warned that it did not mix with alcohol and to be sure not to try to mix them....
I am wondering if someone is trying to scare her into slowing down the alcohol... this is not the way to do it...
she never seems to have any trouble with depression... of course that is not a way to diagnose a problem either; I should know. I hide it very well having been taught from an early age not to let the world see you air your dirty laundry, to mess up an old saying or two...kat who is about to celebrate the soon to happen demise of Tegretol in her life (and not with wine and song... but perhaps song and strong coffee)
Posted by Sooshi on March 16, 2004, at 20:38:45
In reply to Re: Tapering off Topa » Sooshi, posted by platinumbride on March 16, 2004, at 13:50:05
Thanks Diane - I'm already 6 days down to 100mg with no effects at all, so I'm going down to 50 tonight, for about 2-3 days...then I'll probably just stop. I call pdoc on Fri to see about starting Zonegran hopefully then.
Thanks again for you input!
Posted by rockette on March 17, 2004, at 3:46:59
In reply to Re: topomax and voice changes » Patient, posted by headachequeen on March 16, 2004, at 16:05:46
Just didn't want everyone to think that Wellbutrin is terrible. Everyone tolerates it differently. I've had virtually no reactions to it and have been taking it for over a year (150mg a.m. 100mg p.m.) Same doses no change since I first started it for migraines (strange that it gives headaches to others). I seldom drink but when I do have anything (usually wine), I have noticed no side-effects. Sometimes I have some sleeplessness (actually early, early morning risings--like 3 or 4 a.m. I have NO trouble falling asleep!) but since it's not everyday and I'm usually rehashing some nonsense from work, not willing to blame it on the Wellbutrin!! And no one has commented on my "personality" so don't think there have been any major mood changes, positive or negative. I'm still my normal, bitchy self!!!
What seems to affect me more is the Topamax--when dose is decreased the headaches come back. So guess I'm keeping the Topamax, too.
Posted by Cybele on March 17, 2004, at 8:20:29
In reply to Re: in defense of Wellbutrin, posted by rockette on March 17, 2004, at 3:46:59
> Just didn't want everyone to think that Wellbutrin is terrible. Everyone tolerates it differently. I've had virtually no reactions to it and have been taking it for over a year (150mg a.m. 100mg p.m.) <snip>
My body's reaction to Wellbutrin has changed drastically since the first time I took it, in late 1994. At the time, I had virtually no unpleasant side effects and went on to take WB-SR (2x150) for over a year and a half. I stopped taking it when I started trying to get pregnant, and noticed no changes in moods. Over the next 7 years, during which I had two children, I felt pretty good, except for occasional mild depressions. A few times I tried to take WB-SR again; however, now the insomnia and irritability was so bad I could not last on it more than 2 weeks. I'd go off it, and be so relieved to be able to sleep and not be a crank to my family that I would no longer be depressed.
Then, last October, I finally realized I was very depressed (have had depressions off and on since age 13) and my current doctor put me back on WB. (SSRIs don't work for me; took 6 weeks of Paxil and felt progressively worse.) *This* time my reaction to WB-SR 150x2 was completely different from the previous times. I did not have insomnia. I wanted to sleep all the time! One night I was home alone with the kids (4 and 6) and fell asleep without getting them to bed first. (Apprently they climbed in bed with me once they got bored playing, at some late, undetermined hour.) I was sleeping at least 12 hours a day and having dreaming vivid dreams, which started happening practically as soon as my head hit the pillow (drastically reduced sleep latency). I was also still depressed. After a month of this I simply stopped taking the afternoon dose, and felt better within a couple days. So I can tolerate a dose of WB-SR 2x100 first thing in the morning and that's it. I saw a PDOC who trie me on WB-XL 150, but again I had the same sleepiness, so today I am going back to WB-SR 2x100 in the morning.
Frankly, I really don't know that WB has ever actually helped me, other than that enormous pscyhological boost from the the early side-effects of not thinking about food all the time. Every time I've taken it I've also been exercising (except when I was sleepy), and this is the only thing that seems to help me. Even after being on WB since last October, if I take a few days off exercise, like if I am sick, my mood starts ratcheting back down.
So, just wanted to say that WB may not be a very good long-term solution for everybody...
HTH.
Posted by katia on March 17, 2004, at 13:08:38
In reply to Re: in defense of Wellbutrin, posted by rockette on March 17, 2004, at 3:46:59
That's great it works for you. I wish it'd worked for me b/c I'm feeling a bit down. None of the ADs work for me. I probably have to restart Lamictal to add to my Trileptal. Are you bipolar?
katia
Posted by headachequeen on March 17, 2004, at 13:42:08
In reply to Re: in defense of Wellbutrin » rockette, posted by Cybele on March 17, 2004, at 8:20:29
***So, just wanted to say that WB may not be a very good long-term solution for everybody...***
Maybe this is what we should remember about all medications???????
And maybe it is something we should remember when coming off drugs too... that each of us responds to leaving the med in a different way...
some of us can quit instantly others have to be weaned from the drug slowly, others have to have another drug replace it for a time until the body has a chance to adjust...
oh now that was a sentence that needed medical help... but I think it can be deciphered...
kat
Posted by kka on March 17, 2004, at 15:44:58
In reply to Re: topomax and voice changes, posted by headachequeen on March 17, 2004, at 13:42:08
> ***So, just wanted to say that WB may not be a very good long-term solution for everybody...***
>
>
> Maybe this is what we should remember about all medications???????
> And maybe it is something we should remember when coming off drugs too... that each of us responds to leaving the med in a different way...
> some of us can quit instantly others have to be weaned from the drug slowly, others have to have another drug replace it for a time until the body has a chance to adjust...
> oh now that was a sentence that needed medical help... but I think it can be deciphered...
> kat
>Did anyone else experience hair loss with WB??
Posted by cyndie on March 30, 2004, at 14:33:37
In reply to Re: topamax weight loss » headachequeen, posted by jtevers on December 22, 2003, at 20:22:31
Has anyone any experience with adding Phenteramine to Topamax????
Posted by headachequeen on March 30, 2004, at 16:51:42
In reply to Re: topamax weight loss » headachequeen, posted by jtevers on December 22, 2003, at 20:22:31
> > at 400 mg I seem to have stopped the weight loss; have stayed at the same weight for about a month and seem to see no more loss in sight...
>
> headachequeen,
>
> i wondered, because it seems to be different for all, at what dose your weight loss began?
> and whether you are (and forgive me if i am being redundant) still taking the offending med., i believe it's zyprexa you are on?
>
> i wondered whether you consider increasing the dose of topamax to see whether your weight loss would increase, or are you content? is it bearable (the side effects of the topamax)?
>
> how much weight have you lost by the time you reached 400 mg.?
>
> thank you for your help.
>
> jtevers
>
First question
>at what dose your weight loss began?
I started losing weight almost at once, at 25 mg each evening.. at the end of the first week I had lost 3 pounds and was ecstatic...Second question
>whether you are still taking the offending med., i believe it's zyprexa you are on?
No, I am no longer on zyprexa... as those who have been here for a while have heard I quit cold turkey.. just stopped taking the zyprexa and the effexor (and the relatively harmless I think immovane) one day...
I had no problems quitting.. although I have since learned that is not the usual situation and my doctor was quite startled to learn that I did not need help in quitting as apparently both of them usually cause severe reactions for people trying to quit that way, let alone quitting both at once...
and I have no intention of ever taking effexor again let alone zyprexa...Third question
>i wondered whether you consider increasing the dose of topamax to see whether your weight loss would increase, or are you content?
I have considered that... seriously considered it but more for the point of stopping the seizures and getting rid of the dread Tegretol...
at the moment I am 147 pounds (there is this 3 pounds that keeps coming and going) and 5'6" tall (I know Canada is officially metric but I speak Imperial and refuse to change languages so there!)
and while I know that the weight is a little over the limit for the height, I feel good about myself... much better than I did a year ago and I do not think I want to return to the days of 124 pounds let alone the days of 97 pounds...
There is a profound difference in my appearance and in my sense of self...
the weight loss is maintaining...
the lack of interenst in food is maintaining...
oh I do not have any sort of anorexia, I am simply not on the binge mode that went with the depression and was exacerbated by the meds...
Would I consider an increased dose to be thinner?
Let us be honest here... being 135 would be really nice... so I guess with all the blethering about contentment that just went before there is a part of me that wants to be slender and all that...
but a size 2 or 4? no... never again...Fourth Question
>is it bearable (the side effects of the topamax)?
the side effects are IN MY OPINION and IN MY EXPERIENCE bearable and manageable...
especially in comparison with Tegretol which requires other meds to make the side effects tolerable and livable...
I drink lots of water and have come to enjoy it...
and to benefit from it (I am full so don't snack)
I take vitamins that I never did before so I am healthier I think
The cognitive problems came and went in the early stages and were manageable as long as I took the increases slowly
it was a learning experience and a case of finding answers and then dealing with the problems that arose... help was at hand, a lot of it right here on this site...
nothing has been insurmountable...
Fifth Question
>how much weight have you lost by the time you reached 400 mg.?
If we count that three or four pounds that comes and goes and comes and goes probably a thousand...
put at this point and I am now on three hundred morning and night to balance the cut back in Tegretol until I see the neurologist and am I hope off it totally, I have lost 68 pounds
and I would like to take off another ten to twelve
kat
Posted by MoBe on April 18, 2004, at 13:08:04
In reply to Re: in defense of Wellbutrin » rockette, posted by Cybele on March 17, 2004, at 8:20:29
> > Just didn't want everyone to think that Wellbutrin is terrible. Everyone tolerates it differently. I've had virtually no reactions to it and have been taking it for over a year (150mg a.m. 100mg p.m.) <snip>
>
> My body's reaction to Wellbutrin has changed drastically since the first time I took it, in late 1994. At the time, I had virtually no unpleasant side effects and went on to take WB-SR (2x150) for over a year and a half. I stopped taking it when I started trying to get pregnant, and noticed no changes in moods. Over the next 7 years, during which I had two children, I felt pretty good, except for occasional mild depressions. A few times I tried to take WB-SR again; however, now the insomnia and irritability was so bad I could not last on it more than 2 weeks. I'd go off it, and be so relieved to be able to sleep and not be a crank to my family that I would no longer be depressed.
>
> Then, last October, I finally realized I was very depressed (have had depressions off and on since age 13) and my current doctor put me back on WB. (SSRIs don't work for me; took 6 weeks of Paxil and felt progressively worse.) *This* time my reaction to WB-SR 150x2 was completely different from the previous times. I did not have insomnia. I wanted to sleep all the time! One night I was home alone with the kids (4 and 6) and fell asleep without getting them to bed first. (Apprently they climbed in bed with me once they got bored playing, at some late, undetermined hour.) I was sleeping at least 12 hours a day and having dreaming vivid dreams, which started happening practically as soon as my head hit the pillow (drastically reduced sleep latency). I was also still depressed. After a month of this I simply stopped taking the afternoon dose, and felt better within a couple days. So I can tolerate a dose of WB-SR 2x100 first thing in the morning and that's it. I saw a PDOC who trie me on WB-XL 150, but again I had the same sleepiness, so today I am going back to WB-SR 2x100 in the morning.
>
> Frankly, I really don't know that WB has ever actually helped me, other than that enormous pscyhological boost from the the early side-effects of not thinking about food all the time. Every time I've taken it I've also been exercising (except when I was sleepy), and this is the only thing that seems to help me. Even after being on WB since last October, if I take a few days off exercise, like if I am sick, my mood starts ratcheting back down.
>
> So, just wanted to say that WB may not be a very good long-term solution for everybody...
>
> HTH.Hi All
I've been on and off Wellbutrin for a number of years now, sometimes with Remeron in the picture and sometimes not. Remeron gave me great sleep but the weight gain, bloating and constipation was intolerable. At first, when I was on the Wellbutrin SR 150 mg twice a day; I had problems sleeping. I either couldn't get to sleep or my sleep was fragmented. Lately, not only do I sleep well; sometimes, shortly after I take the pill I actually feel very sleepy. I'm almost afraid it won't last. Anyone else out there had this experience. And better yet - can anyone out there explain why at one point it could make me an insomniac and at another almost have a sedative effect. Thanks.MoBe
Posted by bruce_w6 on April 26, 2004, at 23:38:02
In reply to Topamax Experiences?, posted by Kingfish on January 4, 2001, at 7:29:48
I am on 250 mg of Lamictal & 12.5 mg of Seroquel for sleep. I am one of the few that has put on weight from Lamictal (put it on before the seroquil for sleep). I also take 6 x 120 mg of Lithium Orotate. This is a good combo except it leaves me with mind racing when I wake up in the morning.
I am starting 25 mg of Topomax tonight (for weight problem) and will be working up. I am not going to take the Seoquil in hopes that the Topomax will help me sleep. I have been told that Topomax was better with Lamictal than an SSRI (less side effects).
Posted by moon mouse on April 28, 2004, at 14:02:20
In reply to Lamictal Topamax, posted by bruce_w6 on April 26, 2004, at 23:38:02
Hi! I am desperately trying to get "real" info on side effects of Lamictal. My dr. put me on Straterra for ADHD and it made me so so so sick. Who cares if it helped my mood?!? So now he decided to treat the bi-polar in me. He gave me Lamictal, but since I am still sick from the prev. meds I am a little hesitant to take it. If anyone has taken Lamictal, PLEASE let me know how it affected you.
Posted by katia on April 28, 2004, at 14:56:30
In reply to Re: Lamictal Topamax » bruce_w6, posted by moon mouse on April 28, 2004, at 14:02:20
> Hi! I am desperately trying to get "real" info on side effects of Lamictal. My dr. put me on Straterra for ADHD and it made me so so so sick. Who cares if it helped my mood?!? So now he decided to treat the bi-polar in me. He gave me Lamictal, but since I am still sick from the prev. meds I am a little hesitant to take it. If anyone has taken Lamictal, PLEASE let me know how it affected you.
Hi,
The first time I took Lamictal was w/ Depakote and I felt great on it. It made me euphorically high every time I increased it.However, I got a rash four months into it due to the addition and titrating up of Lithium and had to stop.
This second time is w/ trileptal and I just went off of it. I couldn't tolerate it this time due to the irritibiltaty and agitation. It made me zippy like before but dysphorically so.
A lot of people do really well on it. You MUST titrate up slowly - very slowly no matter what your pdoc says.
Katia
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