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Re: in tears tonight » sexylexy

Posted by LynneDa on February 18, 2004, at 9:22:40

In reply to in tears tonight, posted by sexylexy on February 17, 2004, at 20:08:27

Hi Lexy,
Well, it's Wed. morning now . . . how are you feeling today? Are you eating and sleeping okay, exercising a bit? Are there other things happening in your life that might be bringing you down? If your sad feelings persist and they are of that type where you know it's chemical and not just the blues (I can always feel the difference!), then I'd go ahead and call your doctor. No sense in being stoic if you don't have to, sweetie!

Also, get on the trail to find a good therapist. I bet it will help you. Let us know your progress. {{{{{Lexy}}}}}
~ Lynne

 

Will it ever end?????

Posted by sexylexy on February 18, 2004, at 9:44:01

In reply to Re: Mrs C » mrs c, posted by Simus on February 17, 2004, at 22:29:54

Hey Ya'll,
I am feeling a little bit better today. This morning was pretty bad again, I could not sleep last night because my mind was so full of thoughts. On the way to work this morning I had to fight back tears. I made it though my first client so I am glad for that only 4 more to go!
I am wondering if I am PMDDing? My cycle was really late last month and I am wondering if it is returning to normal or may be even early. That is kinda what if feels like, I feel hormonal and more sad that I have in quite a while.
My major problems with depression were the "voice" in my head that seemed very negitiave(that is still gone) and a heavy sadness in my heart which was almost gone but now has returned and this is making my anxiety about depression worsen as well. Does it ever end, will I ever see the day where I feel free and happy? YUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Lexy

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by KathrynLex on February 18, 2004, at 13:09:27

In reply to Will it ever end?????, posted by sexylexy on February 18, 2004, at 9:44:01

Hi Lexy,

I'm glad to hear you're feeling a bit better today. I really think you should look in to an increase if you aren't feeling better by next week. You shouldn't have to live like this. No one should. You're in my thoughts.

K.

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by Kim B. on February 18, 2004, at 13:13:44

In reply to Will it ever end?????, posted by sexylexy on February 18, 2004, at 9:44:01

Hi Everyone,

I have not been on the site in sometime due to the fact that I was doing great on 10mg of Lexapro. But, recently I started to experience waking up at night every 2hours or so and then started with severe Tension Headaches. I just saw my Dr. this morning and he feels that I am still feeling alot of anxiety which is causing me to not sleep at night. I increased my meds today to 15mg and I am so dizzy I can hardly hold my head up. Is this normal and has anyone else experienced anything like this. Thanks for anyones help. Kim B.

 

Re: Will it ever end????? » Kim B.

Posted by LynneDa on February 18, 2004, at 13:57:02

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by Kim B. on February 18, 2004, at 13:13:44

Hi Kim -
I have had these same symptoms along the way. I started at 10mg and went to 20 mg after 10 weeks. The first 2 weeks when I went up to 20 I felt dizzy, tired, nauseous. I only had headaches when I forgot to take my pill or took it later than normal! But, I think your symptoms are pretty par for the course. Mine went away in 2 weeks for sure. It also reduced the anxiety that had been creeping up on me.

Hang in there, it'll get better!!
~ Lynne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi Everyone,
>
> I have not been on the site in sometime due to the fact that I was doing great on 10mg of Lexapro. But, recently I started to experience waking up at night every 2hours or so and then started with severe Tension Headaches. I just saw my Dr. this morning and he feels that I am still feeling alot of anxiety which is causing me to not sleep at night. I increased my meds today to 15mg and I am so dizzy I can hardly hold my head up. Is this normal and has anyone else experienced anything like this. Thanks for anyones help. Kim B.

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by Kim B. on February 18, 2004, at 14:10:06

In reply to Re: Will it ever end????? » Kim B., posted by LynneDa on February 18, 2004, at 13:57:02

Lynn,
Thanks for always responding. It does help ease the anxiety we all have from time to time when dealing with these kinds of issues. I hope you are doing well.
Kim B.
Hi Kim -
> I have had these same symptoms along the way. I started at 10mg and went to 20 mg after 10 weeks. The first 2 weeks when I went up to 20 I felt dizzy, tired, nauseous. I only had headaches when I forgot to take my pill or took it later than normal! But, I think your symptoms are pretty par for the course. Mine went away in 2 weeks for sure. It also reduced the anxiety that had been creeping up on me.
>
> Hang in there, it'll get better!!
> ~ Lynne
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I have not been on the site in sometime due to the fact that I was doing great on 10mg of Lexapro. But, recently I started to experience waking up at night every 2hours or so and then started with severe Tension Headaches. I just saw my Dr. this morning and he feels that I am still feeling alot of anxiety which is causing me to not sleep at night. I increased my meds today to 15mg and I am so dizzy I can hardly hold my head up. Is this normal and has anyone else experienced anything like this. Thanks for anyones help. Kim B.
>
>

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by KathrynLex on February 18, 2004, at 15:25:33

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by Kim B. on February 18, 2004, at 13:13:44

Hi Kim,

I recently increased from 10 mg to 15 mg because like you I was still suffering from some anxiety at 10 mg. It's been about 20 days since I increased and I'm feeling pretty good. The first week was difficult because I felt so tired all the time.

Lexapro in general makes me a little dizzy right after I take it, so I take it at night and try to sleep through the worst of it. I'm guessing that you will feel better in about a week (I did). And I haven't had any anxiety since increasing! I hope you find that your anxiety goes away so you can start getting a good nights sleep.

K.

 

Hello, from a novice Lex-er

Posted by Samm on February 18, 2004, at 15:29:29

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by Kim B. on February 18, 2004, at 14:10:06

Hi! Today I was searching the Internet for info. on Lexapro and stumbled upon this board. Just reading the support offered here is the most relief I think I've had for a while!

I'm 25 and have been suffering from severe GAD for about 8 years. It has been a miserable roller coaster. I'm not going to give everyone the tedius details, but recently, I've decided to quit acting like I can fight it on my own. I've been on Lexapro for almost three weeks and began counseling for the first time in my life. I'm feeling a little better, but I think it's mostly because I'm actually moving FORWARD, rather than staying still.

Anyway, I've been scared to death about taking medication. I tried Paxil last year and it gave me migranes. So, I went to my doc and he changed me to Lexapro. I filled the prescription, but nevery could get myself to swallow pill. The minute I would get it into my mouth, I immediately had a panic attack, because I hated not knowing what it was going to do to my body. So, I did the worst thing I could've--I STOPPED COMPLETELY. I fell into the worst depression!

This year, I thought I'd try it again. It's not bad. The first two weeks, I felt really jittery, but my doctor told me to expect it. Now, the SEs seem to be gone and I'm only noticing a small difference with my anxiety.

Anyway, reading the postings has been very good for me. I'd love to join in on the support--even if it's to offer an extra set of ears (or...eyes in this case). Thanks.

 

Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er

Posted by ednababish on February 18, 2004, at 17:07:55

In reply to Hello, from a novice Lex-er, posted by Samm on February 18, 2004, at 15:29:29

Dear Kim, I believe that you are anxious because you are taking medication and that is why you feel dizzy--I've been there and I have felt the same way, only it was my reaction to xanex which was prescribed for the anxiety I was feeling when I began to take Celexa 8 mos ago. The best way I've discovered to cope with the dizziness and the anxiety is to get busy and take care of all of the things I need to get done. I alway have dizziness with my panic attacks, and I always have panic attacks when I raise my dosage. I can trick myself into feeling better by getting involved in chores which divert my attention. At any rate, I hope this helps and doesn't sound callous--these feelings will pass. Good luck and God bless!
Edna

 

Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er

Posted by KathrynLex on February 18, 2004, at 18:10:04

In reply to Hello, from a novice Lex-er, posted by Samm on February 18, 2004, at 15:29:29

Hi Samm,

Welcome to the board. You'll find a lot of very supportive, helpful people here.

I know exactly what you mean about being anxious to take a pill. When I first started on Lexapro I sat with the pill in my hand for about 20 minutes before swallowing it.

Congratulations on moving forward in your life. Therapy and meds are wonderful tools that can really help with anxiety/depression.

Can I ask how much Lexapro you're taking? I started at 10 mg and have recently increased to 15 mg because I was still having mild panic attacks at 10 mg. You might consider increasing your dose if you still haven't seen an improvement in your anxiety after about 9 weeks. (Six weeks or nine weeks seems to be the magic number with Lexapro. That's when a lot of people seem to get the best results from the med.)

You might also want to talk to your pdoc (psychiatrist) or whoever prescribes your meds about getting a benzo to take on an as needed basis. Benzos are a family of drugs that can really help with anxiety/panic. Examples of Benzos are Xanax, Lorazempam and Klonopin. I've tried them all and they've been very effective.

I hope some of this advice is useful and once again, welcome to the board!

K.

 

Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er

Posted by Samm on February 18, 2004, at 22:21:01

In reply to Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er, posted by KathrynLex on February 18, 2004, at 18:10:04

Thanks for your reply, K!

I am in fact taking 10 mg of Lexapro. I actually started with 5 mg, then moved up to ten (I think it's because my doc knows how scared I was to take the meds).

I've taken Xanax in the past and really liked the relief they gave me. But my doctor is very reluctant to prescribe them since they are so habit forming. I can sort his point, because whenever I feel anxious or panicky and I actually have the xanax, I'm so quick to pop one in my mouth. (I know--very surprising from someone who's scared to death to take medication). Now he gave me Lorazapam to help with the jittery side effects from the Lexapro. I'm actually sort of scared to run out because these are my security blanket.

Anyway, thanks for the welcoming words. I'm really glad I found this board.

Samm


> Hi Samm,
>
> Welcome to the board. You'll find a lot of very supportive, helpful people here.
>
> I know exactly what you mean about being anxious to take a pill. When I first started on Lexapro I sat with the pill in my hand for about 20 minutes before swallowing it.
>
> Congratulations on moving forward in your life. Therapy and meds are wonderful tools that can really help with anxiety/depression.
>
> Can I ask how much Lexapro you're taking? I started at 10 mg and have recently increased to 15 mg because I was still having mild panic attacks at 10 mg. You might consider increasing your dose if you still haven't seen an improvement in your anxiety after about 9 weeks. (Six weeks or nine weeks seems to be the magic number with Lexapro. That's when a lot of people seem to get the best results from the med.)
>
> You might also want to talk to your pdoc (psychiatrist) or whoever prescribes your meds about getting a benzo to take on an as needed basis. Benzos are a family of drugs that can really help with anxiety/panic. Examples of Benzos are Xanax, Lorazempam and Klonopin. I've tried them all and they've been very effective.
>
> I hope some of this advice is useful and once again, welcome to the board!
>
> K.

 

Another novice lex-er

Posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 11:59:21

In reply to Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er, posted by Samm on February 18, 2004, at 22:21:01

Hello all -- thank you so much for all your comments. They've really helped. I started off on Zoloft, but got very sick to my stomach so the doc switched me to Lex (turns out I think I had a stomach virus). Anyway, I began having severe panic attacks, not sleeping, and feeling overall like I was going crazy with my heart pounding out of my chest. I tried Xanax, but then all I could do was sleep. Doc switched me to Clonazepam and for the first time in weeks I'm sleeping again and feel like I have some relief. I guess it just takes times to figure out what the right mix is. I'm still weak, not back on top of my game (missed an important interview, which I'm very upset about) but at least I feel like there's hope I'm going to be okay.

I've been off and on anti-depressants for years, but this was the worst reaction I've ever had getting back on. It makes me want to stay on this for the rest of my life so I don't have to go thru this again.

Theresa

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 12:05:10

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by Kim B. on February 18, 2004, at 13:13:44

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have not been on the site in sometime due to the fact that I was doing great on 10mg of Lexapro. But, recently I started to experience waking up at night every 2hours or so and then started with severe Tension Headaches. I just saw my Dr. this morning and he feels that I am still feeling alot of anxiety which is causing me to not sleep at night. I increased my meds today to 15mg and I am so dizzy I can hardly hold my head up. Is this normal and has anyone else experienced anything like this. Thanks for anyones help. Kim B.

Hi Kim,
I was having the same trouble, though without the headaches. I was up constantly through the night with heart palpitations and severe anxiety. The doctor added Clonazepam in addition to the 10 mg of Lex I'm on and I feel like a new woman. I'm finally sleeping and slowly slowly getting back into life.

Hang in there.
Theresa

 

Re: Another novice lex-er

Posted by KathrynLex on February 19, 2004, at 12:43:12

In reply to Another novice lex-er, posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 11:59:21

Hi Theresa,

Wow, your initial reaction to Lexapro sounds awful! When I started taking Lexapro I noticed that my panic attacks came much more frequently. It was later that I learned Lexapro can actually cause panic attacks/anxiety for the first few weeks that you take it.

Like you, I've taken meds on and off for a couple of years and starting on Lexapro was the worst adjustment I've had to make. It's been worth it though. My depression has lifted and ever since I increased my Lexapro dose to 15 mg I haven't had a single panic attack. (Knock on wood!)

I'm glad that you've found the right combination of meds. You'll probably be back on the top of your game in a couple of weeks after your body has had time to adjust.

K.

 

Sexylexy

Posted by KathrynLex on February 19, 2004, at 12:45:35

In reply to Re: Another novice lex-er, posted by KathrynLex on February 19, 2004, at 12:43:12

Hi Lexy,

I just wanted to check in and see how you were doing. You're coming up on week 9 aren't you? Hopefully it proves to be the "magic week" for you when you finally start to feel better.

K.

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by gracielexie on February 19, 2004, at 13:13:41

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by Kim B. on February 18, 2004, at 13:13:44

I have been on Lexapro for a little over a year...started with 10mg and was increased to 20mg about a month ago. I take it in the morning, but am wondering if it's better at night..sleep better? I do feel anxiety as well..I saw my doctor yesterday and he YELLED at me that I take homeopathic stuff to help me sleep, like "Quietude" or Bach's Rescue Remedy..also I told him I take calcium with magnesium and Gaba and he flipped out on me...obviously, nothing should be taken with Lexapro..also, I had my thyroid removed in 1999...AND in menopause without taking any HRT........HELP!!! Seems like any little thing makes me anxious or depressed..sometimes just blue..sometimes up and down...yesterday I wanted to just die..if I had to do it over, i'd NEVER have my thyroid taken out..just cold nodules on it..better to have biopsy every year..taking it out is the WORST thing..anyway, thanks for letting me vent..I would love to hear from somebody..anybody..

 

Thanks for the encouragement, K

Posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 13:19:30

In reply to Re: Another novice lex-er, posted by KathrynLex on February 19, 2004, at 12:43:12

I know all of us have probably experienced it, but when you're going through it, it feels like you're never going to feel better. Even though I'm not ready to jump back into life full force, I almost feel euphoric that I can function again. I'm trying not to push things, just gently ease back into life.

Theresa

 

Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er

Posted by mrs c on February 19, 2004, at 13:20:50

In reply to Hello, from a novice Lex-er, posted by Samm on February 18, 2004, at 15:29:29

Hi and welcome to the board! You will find some incredible people posting here! I found this board during my first week on Lexapro and have been coming to it everyday since. The support and encouragement have been lifesaving for me. Glad you're here! Mrs. C

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 13:32:39

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by gracielexie on February 19, 2004, at 13:13:41

My heart goes out to you. It didn't seem to matter whether I took it in the morning or the evening, sleep was impossible either way. I tried melatonin, but it didn't help, tried chamomile tea with mint, didn't help. The only thing that has worked is the Clonazepam. It helped immediately with the anxiety without zoning me completely out like the Xanax. I don't want to speak ill of your doctor, but if I had a doctor yelling at me, I have to say I'd be finding a new doctor with a bit more understanding of this. You have to experience it to know how debilitating this can be. As far as the thyroid, I have hypothyroidism and am on Synthoid, but don't know the effect of having it taken out. My heart goes out to you. Please hang in there and find the right combination that works for you even if it means going to another doctor.

Theresa

> I have been on Lexapro for a little over a year...started with 10mg and was increased to 20mg about a month ago. I take it in the morning, but am wondering if it's better at night..sleep better? I do feel anxiety as well..I saw my doctor yesterday and he YELLED at me that I take homeopathic stuff to help me sleep, like "Quietude" or Bach's Rescue Remedy..also I told him I take calcium with magnesium and Gaba and he flipped out on me...obviously, nothing should be taken with Lexapro..also, I had my thyroid removed in 1999...AND in menopause without taking any HRT........HELP!!! Seems like any little thing makes me anxious or depressed..sometimes just blue..sometimes up and down...yesterday I wanted to just die..if I had to do it over, i'd NEVER have my thyroid taken out..just cold nodules on it..better to have biopsy every year..taking it out is the WORST thing..anyway, thanks for letting me vent..I would love to hear from somebody..anybody..

 

Re: Another novice lex-er

Posted by Samm on February 19, 2004, at 13:42:40

In reply to Another novice lex-er, posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 11:59:21

Hi Theresa,
I have a question for you...Are you taking the Lex mainly for Panic attacks, or also depression?

Sam

 

Re: Will it ever end?????

Posted by Samm on February 19, 2004, at 13:48:27

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by gracielexie on February 19, 2004, at 13:13:41

I'm sorry to hear that you're suffering. Hearing about your experience makes me nervous because Lex was prescribed to me specifically to treat my anxiety and panic disorder.

More and more I feel that counseling will be the best therapy for me. We'll see, I guess.
I'm just really anti-medication and still trying to get used to the idea that I'm on it and could be on it for the rest of my life.

 

Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er

Posted by Samm on February 19, 2004, at 13:51:48

In reply to Re: Hello, from a novice Lex-er, posted by mrs c on February 19, 2004, at 13:20:50

Thanks for the welcome, Mrs. C. I'm glad I'm here too! My husband is extrememly supportive, but will never be able to give me support from having experienced what I'm going through. In fact, nobody has been able to up to this point. I wouldn't wish this upon anybody, but it is so nice to know that I'm not going crazy and I'm not alone!

Thanks!

 

Ambien question » gracielexie

Posted by LynneDa on February 19, 2004, at 13:53:48

In reply to Re: Will it ever end?????, posted by gracielexie on February 19, 2004, at 13:13:41

Hi & welcome to the Board, it's been a very helpful and encouraging place for me. I've been on Lex 4 months, went from 10 to 20 mg about 8 weeks ago. I take Lex at night now because of my insomnia and day-time sleepiness. It helped me feel more awake during the day, but I still have middle of the night awakenings - I am wired and awake for about an hour or so.

My anxiety and PMDD-related depression is not all the way gone, but much better after upping to 20mg. I hope after another few weeks your 20mg dosage will kick in and eliminate some of your anxiety, tears, etc. Those symptoms are oh-so-familiar to me!! The menopause and no-thyroid combo just makes all that worse, I feel for you! Good luck to you in your quest for a better doctor, sounds like that would be a step in the right direction.

Question for everyone: I started taking 5 mg of Ambien this week and I'm a little concerned because of its addictive properties. What will happen in a week when I have to go off of it? It's been so wonderful sleeping all night for the last 3 nights. I can see why people get hooked on it! If it's the Lex that makes me wake up feeling wired, how will the Ambien change that after a week? What is Clonazepin (sp?) and is it different than Ambien? Thank you for any advice or info.!

~ Lynne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


I have been on Lexapro for a little over a year...started with 10mg and was increased to 20mg about a month ago. I take it in the morning, but am wondering if it's better at night..sleep better? I do feel anxiety as well..I saw my doctor yesterday and he YELLED at me that I take homeopathic stuff to help me sleep, like "Quietude" or Bach's Rescue Remedy..also I told him I take calcium with magnesium and Gaba and he flipped out on me...obviously, nothing should be taken with Lexapro..also, I had my thyroid removed in 1999...AND in menopause without taking any HRT........HELP!!! Seems like any little thing makes me anxious or depressed..sometimes just blue..sometimes up and down...yesterday I wanted to just die..if I had to do it over, i'd NEVER have my thyroid taken out..just cold nodules on it..better to have biopsy every year..taking it out is the WORST thing..anyway, thanks for letting me vent..I would love to hear from somebody..anybody..

 

Re: Another novice lex-er

Posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 15:02:56

In reply to Re: Another novice lex-er, posted by Samm on February 19, 2004, at 13:42:40

Hi Sam,

I'm taking Lex for depression. The anxiety is just an unexpected little (huge) extra.

Theresa

> Hi Theresa,
> I have a question for you...Are you taking the Lex mainly for Panic attacks, or also depression?
>
> Sam

 

Re: Ambien question

Posted by tmhwrite on February 19, 2004, at 15:15:03

In reply to Ambien question » gracielexie, posted by LynneDa on February 19, 2004, at 13:53:48

Hi Lynne,

I'm currently using Clonazepam (.5mg) in addition to the Lex (10mg) but have used Ambien in the past. Ambien is more of a mild sleep aid. I used it for about a week and and then only occasionally after that and it helped my body get back into the correct ryhthm of sleeping. I didn't notice any side effects even when I stopped using it. Clonazepam is a stronger substance that is a better version of Xanax (less side effects). It is an anti-aniety medication as opposed to a sleep aid, though it has helped me sleep because it calmed the anxiety attacks that were keeping me up all night. After what I've been through over the past several weeks, I'm a huge fan of it. I didn't think I was ever going to be able to sleep through the night again!

Hope this helps. Good luck to you
Theresa

> Hi & welcome to the Board, it's been a very helpful and encouraging place for me. I've been on Lex 4 months, went from 10 to 20 mg about 8 weeks ago. I take Lex at night now because of my insomnia and day-time sleepiness. It helped me feel more awake during the day, but I still have middle of the night awakenings - I am wired and awake for about an hour or so.
>
> My anxiety and PMDD-related depression is not all the way gone, but much better after upping to 20mg. I hope after another few weeks your 20mg dosage will kick in and eliminate some of your anxiety, tears, etc. Those symptoms are oh-so-familiar to me!! The menopause and no-thyroid combo just makes all that worse, I feel for you! Good luck to you in your quest for a better doctor, sounds like that would be a step in the right direction.
>
> Question for everyone: I started taking 5 mg of Ambien this week and I'm a little concerned because of its addictive properties. What will happen in a week when I have to go off of it? It's been so wonderful sleeping all night for the last 3 nights. I can see why people get hooked on it! If it's the Lex that makes me wake up feeling wired, how will the Ambien change that after a week? What is Clonazepin (sp?) and is it different than Ambien? Thank you for any advice or info.!
>
> ~ Lynne
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> I have been on Lexapro for a little over a year...started with 10mg and was increased to 20mg about a month ago. I take it in the morning, but am wondering if it's better at night..sleep better? I do feel anxiety as well..I saw my doctor yesterday and he YELLED at me that I take homeopathic stuff to help me sleep, like "Quietude" or Bach's Rescue Remedy..also I told him I take calcium with magnesium and Gaba and he flipped out on me...obviously, nothing should be taken with Lexapro..also, I had my thyroid removed in 1999...AND in menopause without taking any HRT........HELP!!! Seems like any little thing makes me anxious or depressed..sometimes just blue..sometimes up and down...yesterday I wanted to just die..if I had to do it over, i'd NEVER have my thyroid taken out..just cold nodules on it..better to have biopsy every year..taking it out is the WORST thing..anyway, thanks for letting me vent..I would love to hear from somebody..anybody..
>
>


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