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Posted by jerseydevil on December 16, 2003, at 14:23:24
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 16, 2003, at 14:08:16
GO GIRL! Alas, my underlying condition is still on the mend. I am working a "buddist"/higher power meditation face my fears and become a better person approach, but I still have some chemical imbalances. Glad to know there's hope. Thanks Bliss.
Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 16, 2003, at 14:35:46
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jerseydevil on December 16, 2003, at 14:23:24
> GO GIRL! Alas, my underlying condition is still on the mend. I am working a "buddist"/higher power meditation face my fears and become a better person approach, but I still have some chemical imbalances. Glad to know there's hope. Thanks Bliss.
>I hear you on the "buddist"/higher power meditation face my fears and become a better person approach" I know this may sound odd...especially since I'm not a buddhist...lol...but they have this meditation called the Mhetta Bhavana
which I swear has been working wonders for me in terms of my attitude. There are 5 stages, I myself have only done the first one. A year ago if you told me I would be trying buddhist meditation to ease my anxiety and depression it probably would have been the only thing that would have made me laugh. Now, I'm trying anything and everything to get my life back on track because I refuse to keep riding the nasty anxiety/depression rollar coaster.You can find it at:
http://www.wildmind.org/meditation/metta/-Bliss
Posted by jerseydevil on December 16, 2003, at 14:52:53
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 16, 2003, at 14:35:46
Spiritual relief along with pharmacological. Anything and everything. Check out "When things fall apart" by Pema Chodron. Not that I plan on becoming a Buddist, but their meditation rocks.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2003, at 8:23:02
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jerseydevil on December 16, 2003, at 14:52:53
> Spiritual relief along with pharmacological. Anything and everything. Check out "When things fall apart" by Pema Chodron.
I'd like to redirect follow-ups about spiritual relief to Psycho-Babble Faith. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030908/msgs/290871.html
Also, I'd like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon
The first time anyone refers to a book without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7717.html
Thanks!
Bob
Posted by jerseydevil on December 17, 2003, at 10:42:51
In reply to Redirect: Spiritual relief + double double quotes » jerseydevil, posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2003, at 8:23:02
I have to try Dr. Bob's wunderlink, the book is "When Things Fall Apart"
Posted by sun on December 18, 2003, at 13:22:10
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by pala on December 13, 2003, at 16:28:19
i've been using effexor xr for about 2 years for anxiety and depression. my dose was 150mg initially and reduced to 75 mg which worked for me as well as the 150mg.
i tried both quitting cold turkey and tapering off after one year of the usage. the experience for me was less headache and nausea when tapering off. i did get the brain shiver that last about 6 days and totally gone afterwards.
the reason i stopped was because i felt so well that i thought i don't need the med anymore but i did get relapse and i'm starting 75 mg again and felt better again.
for me, this has been an excellent medication (i tried many others that don't work), the withdrawal symptoms for me is managable although annoying but everyone's is different, especially if effexor doesn't work for you.
if i were a doctor, i'll only prescribe effexor after the patients don't response to 2 - 3 other meds.
Posted by Camille Dumont on December 20, 2003, at 2:39:43
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by sun on December 18, 2003, at 13:22:10
In a way I was also very p*ssed when I found out about the withdrawal effects. I felt cheated ... like someone making you addicted to something without telling you. They should definately tell patients more ... not wait. I found out the hard way when I forgot my pills for a weekend.
Posted by temery on December 20, 2003, at 20:27:34
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Camille Dumont on December 20, 2003, at 2:39:43
I agree, I have a 9 year old that was put on effexor and he is now going off effexor and is trying remeron. the doctors didnt tell me anything about effexor... only that it has worked well with other people. I didnt find out until later that they dont recomend it for children, Does anyone have any information on remeron. Please advise.
Posted by pala on December 21, 2003, at 2:31:26
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by temery on December 20, 2003, at 20:27:34
Please, please don't give these medications to
9 year old, is there a reason why effexor is
prescribed for this young boy? As adults we
can't withstand the withdrawal symptoms and also
couldn't continue it because of severe side effects, unless the situation is extremely demanding, I will not give these medications to 9 year old, these medicines alter the behavior of the person totally, these medicines are like trap, withdrawal symptoms are so bad, 90 out 100 people will go back on medication.Please ask the PD who prescribed to your boy this
medication, why he did it and does he know anything about the side effects and withdrawal effectspala
> I agree, I have a 9 year old that was put on effexor and he is now going off effexor and is trying remeron. the doctors didnt tell me anything about effexor... only that it has worked well with other people. I didnt find out until later that they dont recomend it for children, Does anyone have any information on remeron. Please advise.
Posted by johnno on December 22, 2003, at 6:22:43
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Camille Dumont on December 20, 2003, at 2:39:43
I think this is a very good point. Only lately (12 months) have I noticed that my box of Effexor, now contains a stick on warning about not discontinuing the med unless you talk to your Doc. Previously, their internal guff on side effects, covered everything under the Sun (with the glaring exception of immaculate conception!)
but zilch on withdrawal. I do think they are worried now, about possible repercussions. There are quite a few Effexor Class Suit actions building & pending. Use Google to check the WEB.
Posted by jerseydevil on December 22, 2003, at 10:02:25
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by pala on December 21, 2003, at 2:31:26
OK, let's not all panic (or they'll give us more meds, ha ha ha). I'm currently on a cocktail of nine different meds. Dispite a little nausia, I feel pretty damn good today (and its a Monday!!!), made it to work not terribly late and can think enough to get some work done. I've been on Effexor about two weeks now, knowing about the probable withdrawl problems. I say "probable" because I've been trying to wean off of another SSRI, Paxil, for over a year now, and each time I take even a small step down life sucks for about a month. I started on Effexor after reading here the OPINIONS of some people that its side effects were less than Paxil and withdrawl was not fun, but easier than Paxil. I thought I should give it a try because I was tired of still cycling into Depression for two weeks at a clip. While I don't recommend Paxil (hate it, may sue them), I don't think it is my place to tell people not to take it, it may be just what they need. If I've learned anything from the boards and talking to people at Double Trouble meetings, it is that each person has their own chemistry and their own needs medicinally. If you don't like what you read here, go to another thread or another board. If you don't like what you doc says, talk to them or find another doc. But doing nothing is the worst thing one can do. Best wishes. Happy Holidays.
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> Please, please don't give these medications to
> 9 year old, is there a reason why effexor is
> prescribed for this young boy? As adults we
> can't withstand the withdrawal symptoms and also
> couldn't continue it because of severe side effects, unless the situation is extremely demanding, I will not give these medications to 9 year old, these medicines alter the behavior of the person totally, these medicines are like trap, withdrawal symptoms are so bad, 90 out 100 people will go back on medication.
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> Please ask the PD who prescribed to your boy this
> medication, why he did it and does he know anything about the side effects and withdrawal effects
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> pala
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> > I agree, I have a 9 year old that was put on effexor and he is now going off effexor and is trying remeron. the doctors didnt tell me anything about effexor... only that it has worked well with other people. I didnt find out until later that they dont recomend it for children, Does anyone have any information on remeron. Please advise.
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Posted by KimberlyDi on December 22, 2003, at 10:28:02
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by johnno on December 22, 2003, at 6:22:43
The newer Effexor brochures/leaflets have more discontinuation symptoms listed than side effects.
Plus, I'm beginning to believe that taking your medicine at the same time every day is a bad idea with Effexor. Withdrawal is easier when you stagger the dosage amounts & times you take it. Maybe the brain shouldn't get used to the same amount at the same time each day.
KDi in TX
> I think this is a very good point. Only lately (12 months) have I noticed that my box of Effexor, now contains a stick on warning about not discontinuing the med unless you talk to your Doc. Previously, their internal guff on side effects, covered everything under the Sun (with the glaring exception of immaculate conception!)
> but zilch on withdrawal. I do think they are worried now, about possible repercussions. There are quite a few Effexor Class Suit actions building & pending. Use Google to check the WEB.
Posted by Roomy on December 23, 2003, at 6:47:21
In reply to Effexor Brochures, posted by KimberlyDi on December 22, 2003, at 10:28:02
> The newer Effexor brochures/leaflets have more discontinuation symptoms listed than side effects.
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> Plus, I'm beginning to believe that taking your medicine at the same time every day is a bad idea with Effexor. Withdrawal is easier when you stagger the dosage amounts & times you take it. Maybe the brain shouldn't get used to the same amount at the same time each day.
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> KDi in TX
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Hey K.Di.
That is a super good point about staggering the Effexor dose to help wean. I just went thru that from 75 one day and 37.5 the next. I did this for about 20 days and then just stayed on the 37.5 every day for 20 days and now I do the 37.5 every other day. I just wonder what my next step will be. Half a 37.5? 37.5 every THIRD day? I am so glad I have found this site. I wish my brother-in-law would have had help weaning off his Paxil...(or stayed on it!) He committed suicide one year ago during the christmas holiday. This is our first christmas without him. He was the entertainment for all of the children at the family party. He always brought the wind-up toys and reindeer and santas and anything else that was wind-upable.....but...I digress. I hope everyone taking medication or weaning off medication...ANY medication...will be very careful and have patience during the holiday season. Depression creeps up on you. Talk to someone if need be. Trust me, they will GLADLY help you out in any way possible rather than live with the guilt of never having been there when they were the most needed!
Merry Christmas! and Remember those who love you!
Posted by maxx44 on December 23, 2003, at 20:26:04
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by temery on December 20, 2003, at 20:27:34
remeron for a 9-year-old? what are your child's problems and how severe?
Posted by jpal on December 25, 2003, at 9:15:29
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by oeps7 on September 9, 2003, at 8:22:43
I am in the middle of trying to get off Effexor XR and just started taking Wellbutrin XL. Nauseous all the time, but I don't know if it's from Effexor withdrawals or the new Wellbutrin as nausea is listed as a wellbutrin side effect. This is making me nuts, having trouble functioning. Anyone had similar issues, any advice would be appreciated.
Posted by karlou on December 27, 2003, at 8:33:17
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jpal on December 25, 2003, at 9:15:29
It's been 13 days since stopping my Effexor. The first week was pretty awful, and many times I thought I had made a mistake in making the decision to stop. I read the suggestions from everyone on the discussion board...the meditation, the benadryl, the welbutrin...and found the bendryl helped the most. The welbutrin, I never did go back to.
When I began taking welbutrin before I was lucky enough not to have the nauseau....I have attributed my queasiness to the Effexor.
I am proud of the fact that I have made it 13 days without Effexor. I wasn't sure I could do it as I tried before and couldn't handle the side effects. For me...cold turkey was the only way.
As each day passes...the side effects of coming off the Effexor become less and less. I don't think I would have kept at it if I hadn't found some glimmers of hope here, that eventually I wouldn't feel so yucky and there were some things I could try that would help manage this.
Thanks! What a great way to be facing the New Year for me---drug free!
Posted by bobbyd3 on December 27, 2003, at 10:54:22
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jpal on December 25, 2003, at 9:15:29
I have stopped taking Effexor for about 2 weeks now. My withdrawal symtoms include the "electric" shocks that alot of people talk about, flu-like things like nausea ,clammy feeling,loss of appetite,and the shits. I havent taken a normal dump in a week.I dont think it really is the flu because it doesnt really get any better or worse .It's just an annoyance,droning on,day after day.My highest dose I was taking was 450 mg./day for about ayear and then I dropped to 150 mg. with not much of a problem except for mild electric jolts that I also felt when I was just a few hours late of my normal daily dose time ! Anyhow ,they went away after i popped my pills,but they are not going away now !The shocks are even accompanied now by sound effects that only be described as little zaps.In silence you can actually hear them and when there is normal daily noise ,they change the frequency of the said noise ,so you notice them that way .I think the stupid drug helped me before,but I dont know what to do now .i have a call into my shrinks office, but its saturday and he hasnt called me back yet .I think I am going to start taking it again but I dont want any nausea of starting the drug again .I didnt gradually stop it,Iwent from 150Mg.to nothing but what the fuck difference does it make,since i am reading about people that take 2 months to spool down to 75Mg. then cant go down from there because it makes them feel like shit . Just to let you know,I am no little pussy or hypochondriac either,I can spend a good night out drinking and partying to the wee hours,then put a 16 hour workday in a hot kitchen during a heat-wave(I'm a chef).I cant do it the way I feel now.
Posted by CrazyMe on December 27, 2003, at 22:57:55
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by bobbyd3 on December 27, 2003, at 10:54:22
It's been 20 days for me. I'm still getting the occaisional shock but it's not debilitating. The bowel movements are finally returning to their normal rhythm. I'm only taking the benedryl and dramamine once a day, if at all. I'm still taking the b-vitamins, sam-e and 5-htp but at bedtime now with the rest of my regular meds.
I have to admit to some very black days emotionally leading up to Christmas. I was subject to on and off weeping and am still very sensitive emotionally. I went to see Peter Pan (on day 9 of my effexor free life - it was a free preview of the movie)and came out of the theater tear stained and swollen eyed from all the times the movie made me cry. My daughter was completely mystified at my reaction. I think it was the whole maternal thing, and my own regrets at no longer being a child - both things she wouldn't understand. But I digress.
Watching the Kennedy Center Honors last night had me weeping all over the couch, but I managed to control myself at the Build-a-Bear Workshop today. I was nearly a weeping mess the first time we went there over a month ago when I was just stepping down the effexor. Today I was actually cheerful - a definite improvement.
I'm going to go back to my doctor soon, I think I so still need help with depression, but I am never going back on effexor. If you are in the really bad part of this withdrawal - just try to keep in mind that there is an end to it. It just takes time. Good Luck and Happy New Year!
Posted by Vasterling on December 28, 2003, at 14:12:31
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by CrazyMe on December 27, 2003, at 22:57:55
I am on day 3 and i am a total mess. I was at 225 mg per day and then went to 150 and then to 75 and now none and i feel like i am going to jump out of my skin and I am crying all the time. My husband does not understand and thinks i am just being silly. I need some advice on how to handle the next few weeks without losing my mind. Please help me.
> It's been 20 days for me. I'm still getting the occaisional shock but it's not debilitating. The bowel movements are finally returning to their normal rhythm. I'm only taking the benedryl and dramamine once a day, if at all. I'm still taking the b-vitamins, sam-e and 5-htp but at bedtime now with the rest of my regular meds.
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> I have to admit to some very black days emotionally leading up to Christmas. I was subject to on and off weeping and am still very sensitive emotionally. I went to see Peter Pan (on day 9 of my effexor free life - it was a free preview of the movie)and came out of the theater tear stained and swollen eyed from all the times the movie made me cry. My daughter was completely mystified at my reaction. I think it was the whole maternal thing, and my own regrets at no longer being a child - both things she wouldn't understand. But I digress.
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> Watching the Kennedy Center Honors last night had me weeping all over the couch, but I managed to control myself at the Build-a-Bear Workshop today. I was nearly a weeping mess the first time we went there over a month ago when I was just stepping down the effexor. Today I was actually cheerful - a definite improvement.
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> I'm going to go back to my doctor soon, I think I so still need help with depression, but I am never going back on effexor. If you are in the really bad part of this withdrawal - just try to keep in mind that there is an end to it. It just takes time. Good Luck and Happy New Year!
Posted by karlou on December 28, 2003, at 18:45:14
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Vasterling on December 28, 2003, at 14:12:31
I have to admit that the first week was rough without the Effexor...really rough. I think the thing that got me through was trying to be busy. Cleaning, going for a walk, surfing the net. I really tried to stay away from the TV ... this time of year, even the silly commercials will get to me. Benadryl was very helpful for me.
The meditation mentioned earlier in this thread was helpful too....it helps calm, and allow me to take a step back from myself...same with the postings here, they helped too...they showed me that what I was going thru was normal, that the side effects would pass, and that I could also get through it if I took it one day at a time. For me, I had to take pride at making it 1 day, then 2 days and then 3...I still have a ways to go, but each day gets a little easier.
Hang in there!
Posted by bobbyd3 on December 28, 2003, at 20:44:01
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Vasterling on December 28, 2003, at 14:12:31
> I am on day 3 and i am a total mess. I was at 225 mg per day and then went to 150 and then to 75 and now none and i feel like i am going to jump out of my skin and I am crying all the time. My husband does not understand and thinks i am just being silly. I need some advice on how to handle the next few weeks without losing my mind. Please help me.
> I dont know what to tell you because I could not deal with the withdrawal right now in my life because I have a big business deal coming up,so I wimped out and went back to 150Mg. I cant believe you are having a problem at 75mg. My highest dose was 450mg. Did you feel crappy at the 150? Some of these people are talking about benadryl and a single dose of Prozac but I have no idea what that will do or if it has been medically proven to help .Tell your husband to shut up , its hard for him to understand how you feel with this crap.It definately feels good to talk about it .I think you can make it through it,because there is an end to it,you just have to keep thinking that .I hope you feel better , Robert
> > It's been 20 days for me. I'm still getting the occaisional shock but it's not debilitating. The bowel movements are finally returning to their normal rhythm. I'm only taking the benedryl and dramamine once a day, if at all. I'm still taking the b-vitamins, sam-e and 5-htp but at bedtime now with the rest of my regular meds.
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> > I have to admit to some very black days emotionally leading up to Christmas. I was subject to on and off weeping and am still very sensitive emotionally. I went to see Peter Pan (on day 9 of my effexor free life - it was a free preview of the movie)and came out of the theater tear stained and swollen eyed from all the times the movie made me cry. My daughter was completely mystified at my reaction. I think it was the whole maternal thing, and my own regrets at no longer being a child - both things she wouldn't understand. But I digress.
> >
> > Watching the Kennedy Center Honors last night had me weeping all over the couch, but I managed to control myself at the Build-a-Bear Workshop today. I was nearly a weeping mess the first time we went there over a month ago when I was just stepping down the effexor. Today I was actually cheerful - a definite improvement.
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> > I'm going to go back to my doctor soon, I think I so still need help with depression, but I am never going back on effexor. If you are in the really bad part of this withdrawal - just try to keep in mind that there is an end to it. It just takes time. Good Luck and Happy New Year!
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Posted by Vasterling on December 28, 2003, at 22:05:20
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news » Vasterling, posted by bobbyd3 on December 28, 2003, at 20:44:01
Robert, Thank you for the advice and i really appreciate the encouragement.
Posted by nigel99 on December 29, 2003, at 12:12:13
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Vasterling on December 28, 2003, at 22:05:20
> Robert, Thank you for the advice and i really appreciate the encouragement.
Hi - I've been tapering off EFF XR for the last six weeks. If it gets unbearable see about going back on at 37.5 if your doc lets you.
I have been tapering so slowly that below 37.5 I have been pulling apart the tablets and taking 1/2 of the granules one day and then a little less the next. I have been doing this until three days ago when I was down to ten of the granules (probably 5 mg of EFF XR) and then stopped altogether.
But it has NOT stopped the shocks!! They continue day and night especially after exercise. They have reduced in intensity somewhat, maybe 10% over the last two days, but it is still difficult to enjoy my vacation time when I am being continually zapped!
Gravol helps at night when I get nauseous, a bit of tylenol during day for headaches.
Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 29, 2003, at 13:30:13
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by nigel99 on December 29, 2003, at 12:12:13
Hi All...
Some of you may have followed a number of posts I made not so long ago about going cold turkey off of 225 mg of Effexor. I just thought I'd drop you a quick note to let you all know that tomorrow will be 6 weeks since my last dose of Effexor and....
I feel pretty great and I am now down to only one or two extremely mild "brain shocks" a day. How sad is it that I am grateful for only one or two a day?!?! This medication may work wonders for some, but for me the trade-offs of very limited success with it as a treatment while I was on it and then the nightmare-ish withdrawal problems have just not been worth it.
I, like most of you, wish I had known just how many problems people experience with this medication. What worries me now, is if there will be any lasting, long-term damage.
It is possible to successfully get off of this medication, the first week is the worst (with the middle 3 days being most dibilitating) and then it just slowly and steadily improved for me from there. I highly recommed the cold-turkey method if you can manage to allow yourself days 3 through 6 (or 7) as sick days.
Blessings, bounty and bliss for you all in the New Year!
-Bliss
Posted by Vasterling on December 29, 2003, at 14:51:07
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 29, 2003, at 13:30:13
What is a brain zap and how do they feel? I do not know if i am having them. I have been off the Effexor for 4 days and have the dizzyness, headaches, emotional instability and the quezyness. Sometimes i have a sharp pain in my head but it only last a second.
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