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Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 1, 2003, at 19:27:02
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 1, 2003, at 19:25:36
OOops...I said "Hi Janey" I meant
Hi Mandy :-)
Posted by Mandy D on December 1, 2003, at 19:41:39
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 1, 2003, at 19:25:36
I have talked to my doctor but he didnt mention a single dose of Prozac. I do have Prozac here from my daughter being on it. Im wondering if i should take a dose of it? And what dosage is normal. Thank you for the hug. Its been rough!
Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 1, 2003, at 20:01:32
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Mandy D on December 1, 2003, at 19:41:39
I spoke with my doctor almost 2 weeks after discontinuing my 225mg of Effexor. She told me that had she realized I was going through withdrawal symptoms she would have given me 1 (one) 20 mg capsul of Prozac.
There are quite a few posts on this board that also indicate that was prescribed by their doctors to beat the withdrawal symptoms.
Don't take any medication without the advice of a physician, but I know how uncomfortable you are. If you can, get your doctor on the phone and let them know what is happening and what you'd like to do about it.
I really hope you can hang in there, I know how crummy I felt, I am sorry to hear of anyone else feeling that crummy too.
Tomorrow will be 14 days cold turkey for me, and honestly, I feel almost like me again. Still ocassional dizziness, and the odd brain shiver but it is so mild that it's almost unnoticable.
Hugs!!!
Del
Posted by Mandy D on December 1, 2003, at 21:15:28
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 1, 2003, at 20:01:32
I count the days knowing that soon i will feel good again. Its nice to know that there are other people going through the same things that i am!
Posted by JESSsMom on December 2, 2003, at 12:38:37
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Mandy D on December 1, 2003, at 19:17:07
Effexor is nasty--makes you sweat and then when you taper it makes you cry rivers.
It helped initally with early morning panic but at such a price!
Like I said, it helped in the beginning but SO much shaking, crying, calling people b/c you are so desperate when tapering. Ugh, God.
JM
Posted by Mandy D on December 2, 2003, at 16:30:54
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by JESSsMom on December 2, 2003, at 12:38:37
I also sweat ALOT! I finally got my doctor to prescribe a single dose of prozac. The withdrawal seems to be easier some. The major symptoms---the slosh-brain,dizzyness and so on have eased some. I managed to get some things done today. It seems that i am better in the morning but as the day wears on it gets worse.
Posted by pala on December 2, 2003, at 17:36:06
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by JESSsMom on December 2, 2003, at 12:38:37
A small dose of Prozac is a great idea to beat the withdrawal symptoms, believe the brain zaps will not lost long, my experience with this Prozac for beating the withdrawal symptoms was my temper reached roof, it was extremely jittery for good 4 hours then slowly situation used to improve
I gave up on Prozac and now absolutely no medication not even for headache, many of PDs don't know what they talk because of their shear inexperience with the medication, you always have to take their words with a grain of salt.
Good luck and hang in there.pala
Posted by Enderkin on December 3, 2003, at 13:33:55
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Mandy D on December 1, 2003, at 21:15:28
> I count the days knowing that soon i will feel good again. Its nice to know that there are other people going through the same things that i am!
God wants us to share with others the knowledge that things will get better. It's good to share hope and courage with others. You never know when they are just about to give up. > I count the days knowing that soon i will feel good again. ME TOO!!!!!
And I am so glad that I am not giving up. It's not worth it to just say you've had enough. Everyone goes through hard times. It's only TEMPORARY.
Posted by loni on December 3, 2003, at 14:41:44
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Enderkin on December 3, 2003, at 13:33:55
Hang in there Effexor W/D'ers! It will pass! I promise!
I was on Effexor for 3 years. The first years was grand and then, ever so slowly, the drug began losing its effectiveness for me over two years. I gained 45 points (on my 135 frame, that is a lot) from self-medicating with carbs.
I tapered through Effexor W/D and my pDoc approved it. He couldn't believe what I was going through (no literature)...these boards and one other put me in touch with other W/D "Survivors". Try to cut back on work schedule and stress in life if you can for 4-5 weeks. Have doctor write you a note, anything. I don't know to how long you took Effex or at what dose, but my symptoms were severe. They mimicked MS or a small stroke. I was helpless and desperate. I couldn't speak on the phone because I couldn't follow the conversation. I couldn't concentrate or read for long periods of time. I had trouble walking sometimes or remaining steady on my feet. I went back and forth on digestive issues. I felt overwhelmingly tired and anxious at the same time. I had to sit on the floor of the shower while my husband helped me bathe. It was an extremely humbling experience for a newlywed and a terrifying one for him. Bless him, he did not give up.
After the longest 4-5 weeks of my life, I just...felt...better. And then better. 1.5 years later, I still have small issues that I am rehabilitating from, but am functioning and happy.
It will pass. It will pass. It will pass.
Posted by jeenobeano on December 3, 2003, at 16:31:40
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by JESSsMom on December 2, 2003, at 12:38:37
I've been on Effexor XR at 75 mg for nearly 2 years now. Hubby and I have recently decided to try and have a baby, so I've decided to go off the medication. But I'm so scared! I've heard such horrible things about withdrawal, both here and from frirends that have experienced it.
Does EVERYONE suffer so horribly from the w/d symptoms?! I want to have a baby but I don't want to go thru agony....
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Mandy D on December 3, 2003, at 16:44:00
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jeenobeano on December 3, 2003, at 16:31:40
Good Luck on having a baby!! I am currently on 10 days of withdrawal and i can truthfully say that days 4-8 were pure hell, but every day is getting a little better! So if you decide to go off of it it will turn out OK!!
Posted by pala on December 3, 2003, at 22:32:45
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jeenobeano on December 3, 2003, at 16:31:40
Loni,
can you please let me know more details on the fact that you still have some issues that you are rehabilitating from,
Now I am on my 8th month on giving up all ADs including Klonopin and Effexor, I was curious to know what those problems that you are experiencing
thanks
pala
Posted by BillC on December 9, 2003, at 22:20:59
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by Mandy D on December 3, 2003, at 16:44:00
> Good Luck on having a baby!! I am currently on 10 days of withdrawal and i can truthfully say that days 4-8 were pure hell, but every day is getting a little better! So if you decide to go off of it it will turn out OK!!
What is the outlook now? I'm just starting my withdrawl and am into day 3 -- it sucks!
Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 10, 2003, at 0:45:51
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by BillC on December 9, 2003, at 22:20:59
Hey BillC...
Hang in there...I went cold turkey off of 225 mg of Effexor 17 days ago. I feel much better now. Days 3 through 6 were the worst for me, but virtually all of the withdrawal symptoms have disappeared now, or are barely noticable.
Try getting your dr. to prescribe a single dose of Prozac (20 mg) if the withdrawal becomes too difficult.
This too shall pass...
Bliss
Posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 10:47:56
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by BillC on December 9, 2003, at 22:20:59
>
> What is the outlook now? I'm just starting my withdrawl and am into day 3 -- it sucks!I tried tapering myself off by taking out 10 measly granules from the 75mg capsule, and it was horrible. I felt like someone had given me a hallucinogenic drug, then a hangover, then IV'd a bunch of anxiety directly into my heart, then given me a bunch of cold symptoms. :-P I decided that I couldn't do this on my own, and am meeting with my psychiatrist Friday morning to help me with this.
This is going to be ugly, I'm afraid. If removing 10 measly granules can do this to me what happens when it's all gone?!?!
Posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 12:17:41
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 10:47:56
Does anyone know if it's safe to open the capsules and take out a few grains of medicine the way I did? Or is the pharmacist that pours the drugs smarter than I'm thinking s/he is?
Impatient for my pdoc appt this Friday...
Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 10, 2003, at 12:44:02
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 12:17:41
It's never safe to self-medicate. And even worse with any drug that comes in a capsule form, because the grains themselves are not an exact measurement individually...it's the total amount of grains that make up the weight of the capsule...some grains weigh more, some less. Just please, don't do the self-medication thing.
Now for the good news. It really will get better. As I mentioned in previous posts, I went right off of 225 mg, no tapering. For others, tapering has had good results, but my dr. chose not to go that route. In hindsight, I wish that I would have at least taken the single 20 mg dose of Prozac to help with the withdrawal symptoms, but I did not.
Go back to taking your prescribed dose and try to prepare yourself for going off of this drug. If you go cold turkey like I did, you're going to want to take a few days off of work. Try for Day 3, 4 & 5 because if you read all the posts on here about Effexor (and I have), Day 3, 4 & 5 seem to be the worst for those who quit cold turkey. Things seem to improve for most fairly rapidly after that. For myself, I noticed big improvements every day from Day 6 - 11.
Now, on Day 18 I honestly do feel much better. Hang in there, don't self-medicate, ask your pdoc to work with you on getting off by providing the single 20 mg dose of Prozac for you to take as soon as the major withdrawal symptoms kick in and just know that this is going to take a little time, but it really will get better.
Take Care!
Bliss
Posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 13:33:52
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 10, 2003, at 12:44:02
> It's never safe to self-medicate. And even worse with any drug that comes in a capsule form, because the grains themselves are not an exact measurement individually...it's the total amount of grains that make up the weight of the capsule...some grains weigh more, some less. Just please, don't do the self-medication thing.
>
> Now for the good news. It really will get better. As I mentioned in previous posts, I went right off of 225 mg, no tapering. For others, tapering has had good results, but my dr. chose not to go that route. In hindsight, I wish that I would have at least taken the single 20 mg dose of Prozac to help with the withdrawal symptoms, but I did not.
>
> Go back to taking your prescribed dose and try to prepare yourself for going off of this drug. If you go cold turkey like I did, you're going to want to take a few days off of work. Try for Day 3, 4 & 5 because if you read all the posts on here about Effexor (and I have), Day 3, 4 & 5 seem to be the worst for those who quit cold turkey. Things seem to improve for most fairly rapidly after that. For myself, I noticed big improvements every day from Day 6 - 11.
>
> Now, on Day 18 I honestly do feel much better. Hang in there, don't self-medicate, ask your pdoc to work with you on getting off by providing the single 20 mg dose of Prozac for you to take as soon as the major withdrawal symptoms kick in and just know that this is going to take a little time, but it really will get better.
>
> Take Care!
> BlissBliss, thanks for your informative post. Fortunately for me, I get 2 weeks vacation-time over Christmas. Since I don't celebrate Christmas perhaps this would be a good time to detox.
Again, thank you for calming me down. :-)
-- jeeno
Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 10, 2003, at 14:01:18
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal, posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 13:33:52
You are very welcome Jeeno!
There is no sugarcoating the withdrawal experience. It is hard, but you are so lucky that you will have some vacation time to deal with it. Try to be really good to yourself during that time...sleep as much as you can/want, eat well and eat what you want (this is not the time to worry about diet!), drink lots and lots of water and remember that no matter how weird or crappy you feel, it IS going to get better and there are lots of people (like me!) who will be happy to respond to your messages while you go through this process. You are not alone, and you will get through it. It is a little different for eveyone, but this board itself is proof that we all survive it ;-)
Take care and be well!
Bliss
Posted by John2222 on December 10, 2003, at 14:25:48
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 12:17:41
It's not very scientific to open the capsule and dump out say approx one half of the beads, but I've done it successfully to make up capsules of 1/2 of 37.5 which is about 19 mg.
I bought a big bag for $5 or $6 of the empty gel caps from the health food store to split them up. But you can just dump half out if you aren't as thifty as I was.
I stayed on 19 for several weeks when tapering off and it helped.
The 3rd day of none was the worst, but it got better. And going from 19 to 0 is better than going from 37.5 to zero.
*john*
> Does anyone know if it's safe to open the capsules and take out a few grains of medicine the way I did? Or is the pharmacist that pours the drugs smarter than I'm thinking s/he is?
>
> Impatient for my pdoc appt this Friday...
Posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 14:45:09
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by John2222 on December 10, 2003, at 14:25:48
> It's not very scientific to open the capsule and dump out say approx one half of the beads, but I've done it successfully to make up capsules of 1/2 of 37.5 which is about 19 mg.
>
> I bought a big bag for $5 or $6 of the empty gel caps from the health food store to split them up. But you can just dump half out if you aren't as thifty as I was.
>
> I stayed on 19 for several weeks when tapering off and it helped.
>
> The 3rd day of none was the worst, but it got better. And going from 19 to 0 is better than going from 37.5 to zero.
>
> *john*
> > Does anyone know if it's safe to open the capsules and take out a few grains of medicine the way I did? Or is the pharmacist that pours the drugs smarter than I'm thinking s/he is?
> >
> > Impatient for my pdoc appt this Friday...
>
>Thanks for your input, John.
I've been so anxious/obsessed about what may or may not happen to me when I go off Effexor that I'm starting to think perhaps I need to be on some kind of med, after all, when the Effexor is finally bye-bye. I'm going to speak w/my doctors about perhaps switching to something that has more understood effects on the fetus/breastfeeding babies. Ah, the joys of GAD...
Posted by jenneh on December 10, 2003, at 15:51:42
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 14:45:09
Yep, and the greatest thing about GAD is that no one (except medical professionals and people who have experienced it) understand how real it is. "Get over it", 'You'll be fine" HA!!
I tried to go off the effexor - I actually went cold turkey and had almost no side effects - which was super strange 'cause I had missed pills etc in the past and felt TERRIBLE...but anyways, I just started back on yesterday after over a month free because I was worrying about anything and everything again, the most irrational things...in fact, I would find myself lying in bed thinking up things to worry about. It was stupid and I knew it but I couldnt stop it. I decided that I could not live like that anymore and I went back on. I don't care how long I am on it at this point, because I can't - won't - go back to feeling the other way again.
I hate GAD!! Does it ever 'go away'?
Posted by jeenobeano on December 10, 2003, at 16:08:36
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - very bad news, posted by jenneh on December 10, 2003, at 15:51:42
> Yep, and the greatest thing about GAD is that no one (except medical professionals and people who have experienced it) understand how real it is. "Get over it", 'You'll be fine" HA!!
> I tried to go off the effexor - I actually went cold turkey and had almost no side effects - which was super strange 'cause I had missed pills etc in the past and felt TERRIBLE...but anyways, I just started back on yesterday after over a month free because I was worrying about anything and everything again, the most irrational things...in fact, I would find myself lying in bed thinking up things to worry about. It was stupid and I knew it but I couldnt stop it. I decided that I could not live like that anymore and I went back on. I don't care how long I am on it at this point, because I can't - won't - go back to feeling the other way again.
> I hate GAD!! Does it ever 'go away'?Jenneh,
I feel like I could have authored your post. Seriously! No one understands!
I find that my life is actually worse when I have nothing rational to focus my anxiety on, because then my brain comes up with the most ridiculous things to fixate on. The past year of my life would have been stressful even for people w/out GAD -- I moved to a new state, I had to take the California Bar exam, I had to find a new job, I became the sole breadwinner in my family b/c hubby started a PhD program -- and so my anxiety seemed "rational" to others (hubby, my mom, etc.). But now that things have settled down in my life (got a job and passed the bar, yay!) the worries are getting ridiculous again. It's like my brain is simply hard-wired to worry about SOMETHING, and so if there's nothing real to worry about it will find somethign anyway.
Sorry to get off topic, but thanks for letting me vent.
-- jeenobeano
Posted by John2222 on December 10, 2003, at 20:18:06
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal, posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 10, 2003, at 14:01:18
Hi, everyone is talking about HOW to handle tapering and withdrawal.
Question: What do you feel like AFTER you have finally gotten to zero?
After taking Effexor XR for about 1.5 years (mostly at 112.5 mg/day), I reduced finally down to zero about 2 weeks ago. I was feeling better and most of the depression had subsided. Plus I was ALWAYS tired while taking Effexor, slept a lot, but always woke up at 3am for some reason.
After the slow tapering though and stopping, I am having this high frequency squeel or noise in my head. This has gone one for 2 weeks now. Also sometimes dizzy when I move my head. It is like my equilibruim is off kilter. Plus nagging headache.
IS all this to be expected? Will the ringing/squeeling go away? When?
The day I stopped Effexor XR, I started with Wellbutrin 150 XL which my dr. said would not make me lethargic and emotionally-blunted. So far Wellbutrin hasn't, but I am experiencing these effects which I think are from Effexor.
Am I on the right track here from what you know? I understand that WB doesn't affect seratonin so wonder if it will really relieve depression (mild to moderate) or not.
Thanks for any/all advice! :)
*john*
Posted by Blissful_Girl_NOT on December 10, 2003, at 20:41:30
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - Life AFTER Effexor, posted by John2222 on December 10, 2003, at 20:18:06
Life after Effexor is working out fine for me.
I've been off of it for 18 days and the ringing, squealing, brain shivering feelings have been reduced to almost nothing...steadily decreasing by almost half each day to the point that now I really don't have any noticable effects at all.
Going cold turkey was not easy, but I really do feel good. I'm on Remeron, 15 mg/day, and while the depression is still with me...since getting off of the Effexor I now feel able to actually work on doing something about that...on the Effexor, I didn't care about working through the depression, I was just irritable, agitated and a little hostile and doped up like I was wrapped in cotten balls the whole time.
Things seem to be looking up...it's the first time in over a year and a half that I've even felt optimism, so life after Effexor has started off good for me.
Bliss
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