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Posted by Dalilah on November 10, 2003, at 18:15:48
In reply to Re: a recovering flibbertigibbet, posted by katia on November 10, 2003, at 17:55:05
Katia,
My doctor claims the seroquel acts with the lithium to provide mood stabalizing qualities. Anyhow, regular sleep is a major major part of getting our bipolar selves together. I seem to need 9+ hours. Really. I suppose it's good to be clean and sober so I can't go the drinking route. Stability.
Hey, I'm heading out of town for a few days, so I don't want you to think I'm ignoring your e-mails. Ask me anything you like, but wait til Thursday.
-Dalilah
Posted by katia on November 11, 2003, at 0:54:57
In reply to Re: a recovering flibbertigibbet, posted by Dalilah on November 10, 2003, at 18:15:48
> Katia,
>
> My doctor claims the seroquel acts with the lithium to provide mood stabalizing qualities. Anyhow, regular sleep is a major major part of getting our bipolar selves together. I seem to need 9+ hours. Really. I suppose it's good to be clean and sober so I can't go the drinking route. Stability.
>
> Hey, I'm heading out of town for a few days, so I don't want you to think I'm ignoring your e-mails. Ask me anything you like, but wait til Thursday.
>
> -Dalilah
Hi,
I'm with you on the clean and sober. I've stopped drinking - it's been over a month now w/ one minor slip up. I also need 9+ hrs. of sleep. It's odd. I think it's medication related. I've always been such an insomniac.
have a good trip.
cheerio-
katia
Posted by femlite on November 11, 2003, at 12:13:53
In reply to a recovering flibbertigibbet » Dalilah, posted by katia on November 10, 2003, at 14:49:17
>>ere. I'm worried a bit about the irritability with Lam. as that's been my main trait of hypomania anyway. > Katia
May I jump in? Im lurking and new to Lamictal.
Ive jsut started and only on 25 mg. along with 300mg. WB. During the day I feel okay, not as motivated as Id like, (of course manic productivety is what Id like, really 'cause I think more clearly)
But my BP mania is characterized by irritability and Ive noticed its getting worse in the evening, perhaps as my meds wear off?
Anyway, i didnt know that irritablity was a SE.
Did i read that right?
Im really torturing my family right now, as the evening is when we are all home togeather. Im not at all sure what the answer is but sometimes it helps to know what the problem is.
I have benzos but I really hate to use them. I feel so downish and not very social when I take them. Maybe Im jsut not use to them. Ill take them if its a choice between dressing down my husband and children and being a recliner potatoe.
Posted by femlite on November 11, 2003, at 12:32:19
In reply to Re: Lamictal insomnia, posted by katia on November 10, 2003, at 15:28:58
Hi Katia
I was on trazadone. I think I slept okay and Im not sure why but once I woke, say 5 am (when my hubbys' alarm goes off) I was AWAKE. I liked that, but I didnt like the hangover. (and yes I took it as early as possible) For maybe an hour to two, I had real difficulty with physical coordination. And forget going to the bathroom in the middle of the night. Quite scary. But it did put me to sleep and I think the low level of serrotonin may have been of bennifit as conventinal ADs have been overwhelming for me.
> Hi anyone and everyone,
> Just curious....specifically towards you Barbara,
> you mentioned that if you take sleeping pills, then you don't get the REM sleep, right? What if you take something like Seroquel or Trazadone (an antipsychotic or antidepressant), do you or anyone else know if this allows for a healthy night's sleep?
> Just curious, because I'd like to get some tranquilizers for sleep.
> katia
Posted by katia on November 11, 2003, at 14:21:30
In reply to Lamictal and IRRITABILITY :0 » katia, posted by femlite on November 11, 2003, at 12:13:53
HI Femlite,
Yes, Lamictal is known to cause (as a s/e) irritability/agitation as you increase the dose. I've heard that it fades as your med adjusts.
But you are also on WB, which is also known to cause irritability. You've got a double whammy. I'm feeling ok on Lamictal, but i do have bouts of irritability. don't know if that's the mood disorder or Lam. I'll wait for awhile. I can already feel that it's a good med for me.
good luck. And try talking to you doctor as well.re: Trazadone. I was taking that for sleep before Ifound out I was Bipolar II/mixed. and now I take seroquel. But I do have a slight hangover and a hint of sadness the next day.
katia
Posted by Flipsactown on November 12, 2003, at 19:12:47
In reply to Lamictal side effects, posted by seamus o'noolan on June 30, 2003, at 17:37:40
I have been on 200mgs of lamictal going on 7 weeks. I started with 25mgs. I am also on 100mgs prozac and 22.5mgs of remeron. On the 6th week I noticed that my unipolar depression had dramatically decreased, and, hopefully, I will be taking only lamictal, as prozac and remeron caused me to gain weight which my chronic low pain does not need. I am very happy with lamictal because I have been on AD's (zoloft,prozac,wellbutrin,celexa, effexor,elavil, remeron and now lamictal). Under my pdoc's care, I am wanting to add wellbutrin in place of the remeron, with lamictal eventually. Has anyone had any experience with this combo?
> Can anyone tell me of the side effects of Lamictal, or just any benifical info on the medicine
Posted by katia on November 12, 2003, at 19:58:17
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » seamus o'noolan, posted by Flipsactown on November 12, 2003, at 19:12:47
I haven't had that combo; but am just now currently on Lamictal 100mg. It's DEFINITELY helped with my depression and cycling. (bipolar II). Are you uni-depressed or bipolar?
Posted by Flipsactown on November 12, 2003, at 20:24:18
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » Flipsactown, posted by katia on November 12, 2003, at 19:58:17
I am unipolar. I have been diagnosed as clinically depressed since 1991 due to chronic low back pain from a traffic accident. Prozac was great for relieving my depression and so was zoloft. I rotated between prozac and zoloft but as you probably have read or experienced they eventually poop out. Lamictal hopefully won't poop out. Does anyone have any experience whether lamictal poops out or not?
> I haven't had that combo; but am just now currently on Lamictal 100mg. It's DEFINITELY helped with my depression and cycling. (bipolar II). Are you uni-depressed or bipolar?
Posted by poop'd-out on November 13, 2003, at 13:48:25
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » katia, posted by Flipsactown on November 12, 2003, at 20:24:18
Hi Katia, Flips,
I am about a month into my lamictal, I am only
at 62.5mg, we have had to go slow. I also take
tegretol, neurontin and zoloft. I haven't had the best luck with the lamictal so far.I was just wondering when and at what dose did the lamictal really start working for you?
I have had some response but then it just goes away and am left feeling tired and more depressed.
Do I just need to wait til I get at a higher dose?
What were your experiences? Thank you.
Posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 14:12:54
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » Flipsactown, posted by poop'd-out on November 13, 2003, at 13:48:25
Hi,
I actually started it when I was on Depakote. and dep. doubles the effect. I always had a zippy feeling at each increase, but then it leveled off. When I was at 50mg of Lamictal (so like 100mg of lam.) and still on Dep. I felt as even as I have been - not perfect, but better.
I got off of Depakote about two weeks ago and essentially my levels fell to 50mg. I had a rough rough time for about 10 days. It was when I upped it to 100mg (where I am now) did I feel a lift. I was falling fast there at 50mg. Now I'm ok - in a few weeks, I'd like to up it to 112.5 and see what happens. I still get tired a lot and can feel the depression right at my back. if when I up it to 112.5 I feel much better than I'll know that there WAS room for improvement. For now, I'm at 100mg and functioning in the world and feel altogether ok and better than I have in a very very long time. Are you bipolar or unipolar? I'm bp II. If you're bipolar, maybe the zoloft is making you feel like crap.
katia
Posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 16:23:09
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » poop'd-out, posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 14:12:54
I am unipolar meaning no mania, just plain old depression. I have taken all of the newer AD's and after 12 years, none of them were effective until I took lamictal with prozac and remeron. I am weaning off the remeron and hopefully, the prozac also and be on only lamictal. It was in my 6th week on 200 mgs did I feel the dramatic lifting of my depression. Now into my 7 week at 300mgs, it is even more dramatic. I am my old self again. Thank goodness for the internet because that is how I found out about lamictal for treatment resistant depression. Lamictal was only prescribed as an anti-seizure med until they discovered it worked great for the treatment resistant depression. So, hang in there until 200mgs. It is worth the wait. Take care.
Flipsactown
> Hi,
> I actually started it when I was on Depakote. and dep. doubles the effect. I always had a zippy feeling at each increase, but then it leveled off. When I was at 50mg of Lamictal (so like 100mg of lam.) and still on Dep. I felt as even as I have been - not perfect, but better.
> I got off of Depakote about two weeks ago and essentially my levels fell to 50mg. I had a rough rough time for about 10 days. It was when I upped it to 100mg (where I am now) did I feel a lift. I was falling fast there at 50mg. Now I'm ok - in a few weeks, I'd like to up it to 112.5 and see what happens. I still get tired a lot and can feel the depression right at my back. if when I up it to 112.5 I feel much better than I'll know that there WAS room for improvement. For now, I'm at 100mg and functioning in the world and feel altogether ok and better than I have in a very very long time. Are you bipolar or unipolar? I'm bp II. If you're bipolar, maybe the zoloft is making you feel like crap.
> katia
Posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 16:25:43
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » katia, posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 16:23:09
Indeed. thank god for the internet and boards like this. I am the one who pursued it with my pdoc. Otherwise I don't think I would've gotten on it either. There's so much (somewhat rightly so) resistance to it due to the rash. Thank god I didn't get it, or at least not up 'til now.
My hopes are also up with Lamictal. Hopefully we'll both continue to do well on it.
katia
Posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 16:35:42
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » Flipsactown, posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 16:25:43
Katia,
Check out this link regarding lamictal.
http://www.bipolarworld.net/Phelps/ph_2003/ph1016.htmFlipsactown
> Indeed. thank god for the internet and boards like this. I am the one who pursued it with my pdoc. Otherwise I don't think I would've gotten on it either. There's so much (somewhat rightly so) resistance to it due to the rash. Thank god I didn't get it, or at least not up 'til now.
> My hopes are also up with Lamictal. Hopefully we'll both continue to do well on it.
> katia
Posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 16:46:26
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » Flipsactown, posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 16:25:43
I also pursued my pdoc to prescribe it to me. I am with Kaiser and this is the first time that I had to sign a waiver regarding the sometimes fatal rash. I think they were trying to discourage me in my quest for lamictal. You know, it is kind of funny because when I first took lamictal, I was looking at my arms, legs and, actually my entire body, for the rash every 5 seconds. I read that the rash can manifest itself even at 6 months, so we aren't entirely out of the woods yet, but I am out of the depression, hopefully for you also. Later.
Flipsactown
> Indeed. thank god for the internet and boards like this. I am the one who pursued it with my pdoc. Otherwise I don't think I would've gotten on it either. There's so much (somewhat rightly so) resistance to it due to the rash. Thank god I didn't get it, or at least not up 'til now.
> My hopes are also up with Lamictal. Hopefully we'll both continue to do well on it.
> katia
Posted by linnette on November 13, 2003, at 17:31:24
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » katia, posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 16:46:26
Hello all,
Just wanted to give you and all an update.. I am somewhat new here, and I read the posts as often as I can. I never know whether to start my own post, or whether to add to a thread. I don't want to butt in, and hope it doesn't appear that way. I have been trying to keep up on all of your posts, and I hope I am not sounding self-absorbed by writing this.
I am now at 200 mg of lamictal and I notice the irritability thing for a few days when I go up on my dose. I am completely off the zoloft, and the nortriptyline, but have had to add back a bit of neurontin (only 300 mg/day) for the anxiety and sleep. I was on neurontin before, but at much higher doses, and it made me sort of stupid, but the combo seems to be working well this time. It helps with the sleep I notice.
Last week was a real emotional roller coaster, then had about 4 good days, but am now in a funk. I am hoping that it subsides and is just part of washing the other meds from my system. But when I feel this way, I just cry and cry and I think about every "bad, awful or stupid" thing that I have ever done, as well as a tremendous amount of guilt that I know is out of proportion to what I am ruminating about. I find that a lot of my feelings are tied up in my past behaviors while either hypomanic or depresses.
I also feel as though I may never get stable. I am in a mixed state right now. I can have tons of energy and get things done, during which time I can hear a song or something will set me off and I will just be in tears. I am hoping that this subsides as my dose of lamictal kicks in. It may not be such a bad thing to get sad, but I notice sometimes that something will set me off, and it just goes from there.
On the flip side, on a GOOD day I notice increased energy, sleeping less (although I should be sleeping more, as my sleep patterns dictate my moods a lot) my appetite is better, (I don't care about food much when I was depressed or hypomanic). I am thinking much clearer. I seem to be getting my usual interests back also, like listening to music for instance. I am praying that these good effects are not the result of coming off of the other meds.
Also if I am late on my dose I get very irritable and/or teary. I am finding that alcohol, even glass of wine is out of the question. As is caffeine. It will usually send me into a tailspin. I can do without both though.
My question is how long it takes for a therapeutic dose to kick in? I have now been at 200 mg for only a week. I have been on the lamictal since September 8th. Is it better to split your dose or take it all at once. Not sure about the half-life of lamictal, do you know?
Anyway, take care all, and wishing good things to all. Thank you all for your input...I try to read the posts every couple days.
linette
Posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 17:58:17
In reply to lamictal update and questions, posted by linnette on November 13, 2003, at 17:31:24
I am finishing my 7th week of lamictal. It was in my 6th week at 200mgs where I noticed a dramatic lifting of my depression and now, in my 7th week, I am feeling even better. Generally, the therapeutic dose of lamictal starts at 200mgs and as high as 500mgs. Later.
Flipsactown
> Hello all,
>
> Just wanted to give you and all an update.. I am somewhat new here, and I read the posts as often as I can. I never know whether to start my own post, or whether to add to a thread. I don't want to butt in, and hope it doesn't appear that way. I have been trying to keep up on all of your posts, and I hope I am not sounding self-absorbed by writing this.
>
> I am now at 200 mg of lamictal and I notice the irritability thing for a few days when I go up on my dose. I am completely off the zoloft, and the nortriptyline, but have had to add back a bit of neurontin (only 300 mg/day) for the anxiety and sleep. I was on neurontin before, but at much higher doses, and it made me sort of stupid, but the combo seems to be working well this time. It helps with the sleep I notice.
>
> Last week was a real emotional roller coaster, then had about 4 good days, but am now in a funk. I am hoping that it subsides and is just part of washing the other meds from my system. But when I feel this way, I just cry and cry and I think about every "bad, awful or stupid" thing that I have ever done, as well as a tremendous amount of guilt that I know is out of proportion to what I am ruminating about. I find that a lot of my feelings are tied up in my past behaviors while either hypomanic or depresses.
>
> I also feel as though I may never get stable. I am in a mixed state right now. I can have tons of energy and get things done, during which time I can hear a song or something will set me off and I will just be in tears. I am hoping that this subsides as my dose of lamictal kicks in. It may not be such a bad thing to get sad, but I notice sometimes that something will set me off, and it just goes from there.
>
> On the flip side, on a GOOD day I notice increased energy, sleeping less (although I should be sleeping more, as my sleep patterns dictate my moods a lot) my appetite is better, (I don't care about food much when I was depressed or hypomanic). I am thinking much clearer. I seem to be getting my usual interests back also, like listening to music for instance. I am praying that these good effects are not the result of coming off of the other meds.
>
> Also if I am late on my dose I get very irritable and/or teary. I am finding that alcohol, even glass of wine is out of the question. As is caffeine. It will usually send me into a tailspin. I can do without both though.
>
> My question is how long it takes for a therapeutic dose to kick in? I have now been at 200 mg for only a week. I have been on the lamictal since September 8th. Is it better to split your dose or take it all at once. Not sure about the half-life of lamictal, do you know?
>
> Anyway, take care all, and wishing good things to all. Thank you all for your input...I try to read the posts every couple days.
>
> linette
Posted by Dalilah on November 13, 2003, at 20:49:04
In reply to Re: lamictal update and questions » linnette, posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 17:58:17
Hey Linette,
I found some improvement in mood after one to two weeks at 200mg. But I went up to 225 and really noticed a difference. I'm now at 275. I've been steady for 3 months or so, which is unheard of.Also I cannot take even a bit of caffiene. I don't think it's the Lamictal. I think it's the bipolar??
-Dalilah
> I am finishing my 7th week of lamictal. It was in my 6th week at 200mgs where I noticed a dramatic lifting of my depression and now, in my 7th week, I am feeling even better. Generally, the therapeutic dose of lamictal starts at 200mgs and as high as 500mgs. Later.
>
> Flipsactown
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Just wanted to give you and all an update.. I am somewhat new here, and I read the posts as often as I can. I never know whether to start my own post, or whether to add to a thread. I don't want to butt in, and hope it doesn't appear that way. I have been trying to keep up on all of your posts, and I hope I am not sounding self-absorbed by writing this.
> >
> > I am now at 200 mg of lamictal and I notice the irritability thing for a few days when I go up on my dose. I am completely off the zoloft, and the nortriptyline, but have had to add back a bit of neurontin (only 300 mg/day) for the anxiety and sleep. I was on neurontin before, but at much higher doses, and it made me sort of stupid, but the combo seems to be working well this time. It helps with the sleep I notice.
> >
> > Last week was a real emotional roller coaster, then had about 4 good days, but am now in a funk. I am hoping that it subsides and is just part of washing the other meds from my system. But when I feel this way, I just cry and cry and I think about every "bad, awful or stupid" thing that I have ever done, as well as a tremendous amount of guilt that I know is out of proportion to what I am ruminating about. I find that a lot of my feelings are tied up in my past behaviors while either hypomanic or depresses.
> >
> > I also feel as though I may never get stable. I am in a mixed state right now. I can have tons of energy and get things done, during which time I can hear a song or something will set me off and I will just be in tears. I am hoping that this subsides as my dose of lamictal kicks in. It may not be such a bad thing to get sad, but I notice sometimes that something will set me off, and it just goes from there.
> >
> > On the flip side, on a GOOD day I notice increased energy, sleeping less (although I should be sleeping more, as my sleep patterns dictate my moods a lot) my appetite is better, (I don't care about food much when I was depressed or hypomanic). I am thinking much clearer. I seem to be getting my usual interests back also, like listening to music for instance. I am praying that these good effects are not the result of coming off of the other meds.
> >
> > Also if I am late on my dose I get very irritable and/or teary. I am finding that alcohol, even glass of wine is out of the question. As is caffeine. It will usually send me into a tailspin. I can do without both though.
> >
> > My question is how long it takes for a therapeutic dose to kick in? I have now been at 200 mg for only a week. I have been on the lamictal since September 8th. Is it better to split your dose or take it all at once. Not sure about the half-life of lamictal, do you know?
> >
> > Anyway, take care all, and wishing good things to all. Thank you all for your input...I try to read the posts every couple days.
> >
> > linette
>
>
Posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 23:42:56
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » katia, posted by Flipsactown on November 13, 2003, at 16:46:26
Hi,
I'm under the impression that if you don't get the rash within the first two or three weeks, the chances of getting go down. Is that correct? I hope so.I'm not so sure 100mg is working for me. I've taken a big dive today. Just feel exhausted again and a zombie in agony. I'm sick of this.
From what I'm seeing, every increase I have, the lift lasts about 4-5 days and then I crash again. Will it ever "stick"????
I understand why I drank. AT LEAST IT HELPS!
katia
Posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 23:49:10
In reply to Re: lamictal update and questions, posted by Dalilah on November 13, 2003, at 20:49:04
What happens when you take the caffeine? I love the buzz; I have a cuppa coffee every morning. It's the only thing I look forward to. I'm just wondering if it's responsible for some crash and burn mood swings?
Posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 23:53:18
In reply to lamictal update and questions, posted by linnette on November 13, 2003, at 17:31:24
>>and I hope I am not sounding self-absorbed by writing this.
** Not at all. it's what we do here, tell our stories.
> Last week was a real emotional roller coaster, then had about 4 good days, but am now in a funk. I am hoping that it subsides and is just part of washing the other meds from my system. But when I feel this way, I just cry and cry and I think about every "bad, awful or stupid" thing that I have ever done, as well as a tremendous amount of guilt that I know is out of proportion to what I am ruminating about. I find that a lot of my feelings are tied up in my past behaviors while either hypomanic or depresses.
>
> I also feel as though I may never get stable. I am in a mixed state right now. I can have tons of energy and get things done, during which time I can hear a song or something will set me off and I will just be in tears. I am hoping that this subsides as my dose of lamictal kicks in. It may not be such a bad thing to get sad, but I notice sometimes that something will set me off, and it just goes from there.**I think we're in the same boat. and I want off!
>>I am finding that alcohol, even glass of wine is out of the question. As is caffeine. It will usually send me into a tailspin. I can do without both though.**What happens with the wine? And what happens with the coffee?
> My question is how long it takes for a therapeutic dose to kick in? I have now been at 200 mg for only a week. I have been on the lamictal since September 8th. Is it better to split your dose or take it all at once. Not sure about the half-life of lamictal, do you know?
>**ALL my questions too. I think the "therapeutic" dose is different for everyone. But what do I know? I'm just dimwitted depressed dork!
katia
Posted by linnette on November 14, 2003, at 0:19:24
In reply to Re: lamictal update and questions » Dalilah, posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 23:49:10
hi katia,
thanks for sharing..it does sound like we are both in the same boat.
When I was on lamictal last year I would drink coffee, (strong coffee) in the am. Within an hour I would just feel as though I were in a tunnel, and become confused and very aggitated.
I was also on 125 mg of zoloft at the time, and my pdoc pulled me off the lamictal, even though I knew it was working.In hindsight and since being off the zoloft and revisiting the lamictal, I noticed right away the same disorientation when I had coffee. So I figure it was the coffee and not the lamictal, nor the zoloft causing this strange interraction.
I also love coffee, so what I do is lately is mix my coffee beans (2/3 decaf and 1/3 caffeinated) and so far, I am able to tolerate it. But that has only been within the last 2 weeks.. Most of the last 2 months, I have been doing decaff..
And alcohol just seems to make me depressed even small amounts. But prior to lamictal, wine was the only thing that could calm me, and I have never had more than a couple wines, but presently I've not been able to do that.
hope this helps ..
take care
linnette
Posted by katia on November 14, 2003, at 0:52:26
In reply to Re: lamictal update and questions, posted by linnette on November 14, 2003, at 0:19:24
We have different experiences with substances. coffee gets me buzzy feeling.
and alcohol on too many occasions I've had more than a "couple". it's the best thing Iv'e had so far that makes me feel better. just wish I could get the righ med to replace it as I'm off that now too. coffee's my only vice now and chocolate.
What's your dx?
katia
Posted by poop'd-out on November 14, 2003, at 1:06:54
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » poop'd-out, posted by katia on November 13, 2003, at 14:12:54
Hi katia,Thanks for answering so quickly. Being on the tegretol does the exact opposite of the depakote. It halves the lamictal, so if I am on 62mg then I am really only on 31mg, these meds can be so weird. I still need to go slow because I did have some skin reactions etc. nothing major just enough for my doc to want to take it slow. So who really knows how much lamictal I am on.
As for my dx(diagnosis?), we have really wavered back and forth with this one. I could be unipolar but we suspect that I am BPII. The reasoning is that in no way shape or form am I able to take an antidepressant without a mood stabilizer, it completely wacks me out. Rage, disorientation, paranoia, anxiety... and so on. Basically, they make me worse. If I am BPII, I believe that mania shows up as anger, rage, irritability, and am mostly on the depressed end of the spectrum. I think I read a post of yours back that sounded similar to what I experience. I have never truly found anything that really works for me.
Oh, by the way why did you discontinue the depakote? You sounded like you were doing well with the lam and dep together.
I don't know if the zoloft is bad I seemed to be tolerating it alright prior to the lam. If the lam starts kicking in then we(my doc) will talk about reducing some of my other meds. That would be nice.
Posted by BarbaraCat on November 14, 2003, at 1:22:14
In reply to Re: Lamictal side effects » BarbaraCat, posted by nmk on November 10, 2003, at 11:01:30
>>So, I will continue with the Lam, despite the SEVERE insomnia I am having.
**I've had insomnia my entire life. I take Ambien and that helps alot but I have to stop taper down occasionally since I get tolerant. I've tried all kinds of natural sleep aids and they really don't do anything much unless I'm already ready to knock off and then they add an extra measure of relaxation. Sometimes I take 900 mg of Neurontin and as long as I take it only ocasionally it really mellows me out.
When I'm going through a rough time or feel extra depressed I'll have crappy sleep the night through and wake up every few hours. I feel beat up in the morning like I've been holding my body clenched. Probably because I have.
>>My pdoc is out of town and I had to try whatever will get me some zzzz's.
**I might have asked you this, but have you ever tried Trazodone? It really worked for sleep. I had to give it up though because it can make you feel real woozey in the morning and I was having to get up real early for work. But once I had a shower and was up for 1/2 hour it wore off. I guess I was also starting to have symptoms of fibromyalgia and couldn't afford any extra lethargy or dullness.
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> I asked Katia this too but do you know if you can decrease the Lam. at a faster rate than when you increase??**The danger is with the rash thing when going up too quickly. There shouldn't be any problems reducing it more quickly than going up but as you know, you might get some rebound depression if you go too low too quickly. I had to decrease Lam by 50mg in two weeks because I was getting awfully itchy and was afraid it was the rash. But it wasn't. Everytime I try to go up past 125mg the itchies start again. Luckily I seem to be holding at that level along with 600mg Lithium (I don't care what anyone says - God bless lithium).
How am I doing? Pretty well, thanks. I had a bump last week and was feeling low and slightly ill. But I'm training myself to just be with feelings that are less than desirable by softening instead of defending against them. As long as I'm in a relatively coherent state of mind I can trust that, like the weather, my feelings will eventually change. I guess I'm practicing tolerating lesser discomfort while I can with a mind towards being ready for greater discomfort when it arises, like being mentally buff. I know I can handle anything that life dishes out, but I don't always remember this when I'm not thinking clearly. Then, everything seems like a disaster - like what to wear or if I should buy the can of chopped vs. whole olives. That one had me sobbing in the aisles of my food co-op. Luckily the manager understood depression and was very sweet to me. But I've always managed to muddle through anyway and I figure I probably always will. If I don't, I don't and so I practice not worrying about it when I'm able. - Barbara
Posted by BarbaraCat on November 14, 2003, at 1:40:06
In reply to Re: Lamictal insomnia, posted by katia on November 10, 2003, at 15:28:58
Hi Katia,
> you mentioned that if you take sleeping pills, then you don't get the REM sleep, right? What if you take something like Seroquel or Trazadone (an antipsychotic or antidepressant), do you or anyone else know if this allows for a healthy night's sleep?**I've never taken Seroquel but have been interested in it. I guess the reasons I haven't pursued it is hearing it can pack on the pounds. I'm just getting back to a good weight after years and phobic about anything pork-o-genic. Also, I remember reading that it caused grogginess in the morning and sometimes for a few hours afterwards and that's why I stopped Trazodone. It helped me fall asleep great but it was hard to wake up.
Ambien has been the best sleep med for me. It doesn't always work if I'm really wound up (I take 3 Neurontin during those times) and eventually loses its punch. I cut back and lose sleep for a few nights but then it perks up again. Restoril has helped also. Ambien seems to have the best track record for reaching Stage IV sleep, at least better than the other ones. I also really appreciate the fact that it doesn't affect waking up at all. I don't even know I've taken it the next morning and that's the only sleeper I can say that about. The only drawback is that it's expensive and many healthplans balk at covering it.
> Just curious, because I'd like to get some tranquilizers for sleep.
**Just so you know, tranqs can cause depression. So can Ambien and if you stop you're gonna get bad rebound insomnia for a few nights. But criminy, a girl's gotta get her beauty rest. - Barbara
> katia
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