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Posted by Angel Girl on May 16, 2003, at 0:51:55
In reply to Re: withdrawal » John2222, posted by Paco on May 15, 2003, at 22:06:20
My highest dosage of Effexor XR was 367.5mg/day when I decided that I wanted off due to a meriad of side effects that I no longer wanted to deal with. I had read all the horror stories and wasn't looking forward to the process of withdrawing. I should also state that my body is EXTREMELY sensitive to any new drugs introduced to my system or any dosage changes to existing medications.
My pdoc decreased my dosage by only 37.5mg/day and waited 2 weeks for my body to adjust to that level before decreasing again down to the next lower dosage. When we adhered to that schedule of small dosage changes every 2 weeks, I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. It was ONLY when I became impatient with the length of time it was taking and decided to drop 75mg at one time instead of 37.5. Within 24 hours I went into withdrawal and I had to bring myself back up the 75mg and even an additional 37.5mg to settle things down. I stayed at that level until I felt ready to decrease again, this time ALWAYS adhering to the 37.5mg decrease with each step. When I got to the final 37.5mg dosage, I went off of it cold turkey with absolutely no problems whatsoever.
Unfortunately the brain shivers that I was experiencing while I was on the meds, stayed with me for several weeks after I was completely off them. Now it is several months later and I feel no effects of ever taking Effexor XR.
I think Effexor can be a great drug. I know it was a Godsend for me. It kept me alive. Before getting up to higher than 150mg dosage, I was seriously going to kill myself. So, all in all it kept me alive. It served it's purpose and even though I had tons of side effects that really bothered me, when/if I ever decide to go back on any anti-depressant, Effexor XR, even with all it's bad rap, will be my drug of choice.
This is my experience and of course, others will have their own experiences. I just personally don't think that Effexor XR is as bad a drug as it is sometimes made out to be. I think you have to take what you read with a grain of salt.
Anybody trying to get off of it, with horrible side effects, I wish you well. I know what it's like to be so cold that you are sitting, shaking like a leaf in the corner of your room with blankets piled ontop of you to keep warm and it is 100 degrees outside.
Angel Girl
Posted by John2222 on May 16, 2003, at 1:10:06
In reply to Re: withdrawal » John2222, posted by Paco on May 15, 2003, at 22:06:20
Paco, even though I have been taking Effexor XR for almost a year, I felt better after only 2 to 3 weeks. My dr pretty much insisted I stick with it for 12-18 months so help "retrain" my brain chemistry.
I've always been moody and just more of less accepted it. Prior to Effexor though and shortly after 9/11 I just couldn't get my mind back to the normal keel of life. Little things hanged on and on, and I worried about lots of "what if's" and "whys".
So maybe Effexor or not, I would have recovered on my own after 12 months.
I believe that the reason most of the Effexor stories on these support groups are about the problems, is that we look to support groups and others when we have problems, not when we're doing great.
Not that everything has been perfect, but I don't fear an anti-depressant--certainly I don't fear one just because I'm afraid that I might have trouble 12 months later discontinuing it. Most stories of discontinuing problems have been from someone taking 75 or 150 mg per day and then deciding "that's it" and quitting cold turkey.
Anyway, keep the faith, and don't fear success!
John
> Just wanna say thanks for your post. It's about the most encouraging one I've read here and it's just what I've been hoping to hear. Like you, EXR really helped me, and I'm glad to hear that going off it isn't a complete nightmare for everyone. I'm really not too worried about it myself anyway - I assume it has a lot to do with how you go about tapering and how well your system takes it.
>
> Good luck.
>
Posted by DeanG on May 16, 2003, at 13:15:27
In reply to Re: withdrawal, posted by John2222 on May 16, 2003, at 1:10:06
Greetings John and All,
After digesting all of your comments on the side effects and addicting nature of Effexor I am, to put it quite bluntly, in a state of utter shock. After undergoing my physical examination yesterday my doctor decided to put me on Effexor to reduce the severe anxiety attacks that I've been experiencing in the past few months. I relented only after he assured me that the drug was not addicting. Twenty years ago I had severe back problems and was put on Ativan. Five years later I was left with a full-blown drug addiction which made me swear off any medication or stimulants or depressants of any kinds so as not to experience the same hellish withdrawal symptoms again. Here it is 15 years later and totally clean in all this time and my doctor goes and prescribes what he considers a non habit forming drug knowing full well my past history and struggles with addiction. I took my first 37.5 mg just 14 hours ago which I'm to continue for the next 6 days whereby the dosage is to double to 75 mg thereafter. Fifteen years ago I went through a living hell trying to get myself off what the psychiatrist called an addiction worse than heroin. I believe I may have just taken the first steps to revisiting that horrendous period in my life. Although my doctor most certainly has my best interests at heart, I seriously doubt that he's ever experienced first hand the terrifying withdrawal symptoms of a drug addiction and how difficult it is to break. I've been on Effexor for less than a day now and am already feeling its effects. Whereby Ativan acted as a speed, Effexor is having the exact opposite effect of drastically slowing things down. I feel numb and anxiety free but totally able to function as far as my job goes. Unfortunately, I'm not prepared to pay the price of another harrowing addiction. My doctor was adamant that Effexor was not addicting. Unfortunately, after reading all of your posts I beg to differ, and as I cannot afford a repeat of 15 years ago I may have to nip this one in the bud. Of course, that's always easier said than done. I certainly hope I have the willpower to make the right call and find other means of tackling my anxiety disorder and depression. Tonight will be the first test. Good luck and thank you one and all for all of your touching and candid comments.
Best Regards,
Dean
> Paco, even though I have been taking Effexor XR for almost a year, I felt better after only 2 to 3 weeks. My dr pretty much insisted I stick with it for 12-18 months so help "retrain" my brain chemistry.
>
> I've always been moody and just more of less accepted it. Prior to Effexor though and shortly after 9/11 I just couldn't get my mind back to the normal keel of life. Little things hanged on and on, and I worried about lots of "what if's" and "whys".
>
> So maybe Effexor or not, I would have recovered on my own after 12 months.
>
> I believe that the reason most of the Effexor stories on these support groups are about the problems, is that we look to support groups and others when we have problems, not when we're doing great.
>
> Not that everything has been perfect, but I don't fear an anti-depressant--certainly I don't fear one just because I'm afraid that I might have trouble 12 months later discontinuing it. Most stories of discontinuing problems have been from someone taking 75 or 150 mg per day and then deciding "that's it" and quitting cold turkey.
>
> Anyway, keep the faith, and don't fear success!
>
> John
>
>
> > Just wanna say thanks for your post. It's about the most encouraging one I've read here and it's just what I've been hoping to hear. Like you, EXR really helped me, and I'm glad to hear that going off it isn't a complete nightmare for everyone. I'm really not too worried about it myself anyway - I assume it has a lot to do with how you go about tapering and how well your system takes it.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
>
Posted by kalyb on May 16, 2003, at 17:36:57
In reply to Re: How I got off of Effexor » kalyb, posted by Paco on May 15, 2003, at 20:07:10
Thanks, Paco!
> Personally, I'd say three days is too soon for you to judge, but that's just based on the fact that my doc and other sources told me that it usually takes at least 2-4 weeks for the side effects to subside, and four weeks to reach a theraputic level.
Today I feel no side effects at all; I've noticed them diminish over the last few days - I am sure that the aborted start in taking Effexor I began last week made a difference. But I know this drug is working - I just hope it continues. Yes, it's early, but honestly if you'd seen me even 10 days ago, you'd have seen an entirely different person. I was in a real state.
I've looked at information and data for Effexor on the net and it does say it works for some people within the first week. I am so much more smiley and relaxed, find it easier to talk to people without a "block" of depression/anxiety getting in the way. I feel not exactly "bulletproof" but things aren't getting to me like they did before... optimistic, positive, and the endless cycling of depressive self-pitying thoughts is gone. I feel very much like I did a few months ago when I had a period in which I can say I was very happy. Okay, so it's just a few days like this, but wow, if this continues then I am going to be a very happy bunny indeed!
And now I know about what some people said about waking up laughing. I had a bizarre dream last night which, when I woke and recalled bits of it, had me giggling on the pillows. I can't remember any of it now, no idea why it was so funny!!!
> Yeah, there are horror stories. I could tell you some about Prozac - the time I spent on Prozac was about the worst experience of my life. But do I think that it should be taken off the market? No! Works for some people and not for others - including me.
Absolutely not - I agree. Prozac worked wonderfully for a friend of mine, she says she felt the best she's ever felt in her entire life. But for me, I took it for about 6 months and it wasn't the answer. It wasn't a bad experience but it wasn't quite right either. Most of the time I felt oddly shaky in mind, I likened it to feeling like a tree with all my leaves quivering. I dropped the dose to half, which stopped that but didn't really address the depression much, I can recall a couple of instances when I got very low and despondent about things. Eventually I stopped, knowing it wasn't right for me.
> There are no promises that there are better days ahead, but I'm here to tell you that I have had a much better life since I started taking EXR, and I hope you do too.
Thanks again. I hope my post will encourage others who have just started it, since as someone in another post said: people come to this message board with problems mainly, not when everything is great. As little time ago as ten days ago, I would not have believed you if you'd told me I could feel this normal. I just pray it continues.... :)
Posted by melley on May 16, 2003, at 18:09:13
In reply to Re: Effexor » Paco, posted by kalyb on May 16, 2003, at 17:36:57
I do think that effexor has lots of positives. And it certainly saved my life last year. I spent a month on tranquilizers with it while it was taking effect. It was so great to have the fog cleared. And when I got up to 225 mg in January I was very energetic and that was absolutely wonderful.
However, I have only tried paxil and effexor. And then was told by my cousin that wellbutrin was virtually side effect-free for her. So thought I'd give it a try. I can always go back on effexor. I am now at the end of the first week of weaning myself off of effexor and on to wellbutrin. Feel a bit rocky and had tingling on the side of my head and on my face. Felt like it could be related. Also feel weak and tired. But also feel more....the numbness on effexor was great in some ways....but too much sometimes.
Melissa
Posted by kalyb on May 16, 2003, at 18:10:20
In reply to Re: withdrawal, posted by DeanG on May 16, 2003, at 13:15:27
Dean, my heart went out to you while reading your post. You must feel almost cheated. I don't know what to say, not having had the experiences you have had, although my mother was - still is - under the grip of Ativan.
Believe me, I was scared too when I found this board and read all the stuff about Effexor. My psychiatrist didn't tell me anything about addiction, just about possible side effects. But I am actually feeling some benefit of the drug after only a few days, so I will continue with it. Withdrawal, when it comes, I will deal with. I don't think it can be any worse than the agonies I have been going through the last few months without any medication at all... I simply didn't want to exist any more, it was that bad.
For you, my only suggestion - which comes along with a great deal of compassion for you - would be to go back to your doctor as soon as possible and talk this over with him/her. Maybe you can work out a better medication.
I hope you feel better soon, good luck.... and hugs....
> Greetings John and All,
>
> After digesting all of your comments on the side effects and addicting nature of Effexor I am, to put it quite bluntly, in a state of utter shock. After undergoing my physical examination yesterday my doctor decided to put me on Effexor to reduce the severe anxiety attacks that I've been experiencing in the past few months. I relented only after he assured me that the drug was not addicting. Twenty years ago I had severe back problems and was put on Ativan. Five years later I was left with a full-blown drug addiction which made me swear off any medication or stimulants or depressants of any kinds so as not to experience the same hellish withdrawal symptoms again. Here it is 15 years later and totally clean in all this time and my doctor goes and prescribes what he considers a non habit forming drug knowing full well my past history and struggles with addiction. I took my first 37.5 mg just 14 hours ago which I'm to continue for the next 6 days whereby the dosage is to double to 75 mg thereafter. Fifteen years ago I went through a living hell trying to get myself off what the psychiatrist called an addiction worse than heroin. I believe I may have just taken the first steps to revisiting that horrendous period in my life. Although my doctor most certainly has my best interests at heart, I seriously doubt that he's ever experienced first hand the terrifying withdrawal symptoms of a drug addiction and how difficult it is to break. I've been on Effexor for less than a day now and am already feeling its effects. Whereby Ativan acted as a speed, Effexor is having the exact opposite effect of drastically slowing things down. I feel numb and anxiety free but totally able to function as far as my job goes. Unfortunately, I'm not prepared to pay the price of another harrowing addiction. My doctor was adamant that Effexor was not addicting. Unfortunately, after reading all of your posts I beg to differ, and as I cannot afford a repeat of 15 years ago I may have to nip this one in the bud. Of course, that's always easier said than done. I certainly hope I have the willpower to make the right call and find other means of tackling my anxiety disorder and depression. Tonight will be the first test. Good luck and thank you one and all for all of your touching and candid comments.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dean
Posted by kalyb on May 17, 2003, at 9:15:29
In reply to Re: withdrawal » DeanG, posted by kalyb on May 16, 2003, at 18:10:20
What is SSRI induced hypomania?
Could my apparent "immediate" response to Effexor be this?? If it helps any, I noticed some kind of immediate effects with Prozac and Celexa as well.
Please enlighten me!!
Posted by Kuschelbär on May 18, 2003, at 15:51:27
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? YES! , posted by Shel on July 18, 2000, at 1:35:45
I started taking 37.5 mg of Effexor 3 days ago, and after reading the thread about side effects/withdrawals I am scared to death to take it any longer.
I am more concerned about my ability to achieve an erection (which I currently have no trouble with) and orgasm (ditto).
Also, I work in a hospital and don't need tremors or sweats.
Any comments?
Thanks
K
Posted by Napaba on May 19, 2003, at 8:25:09
In reply to Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by Kuschelbär on May 18, 2003, at 15:51:27
Find a different drug. Effexor isn't worth it.
There are other meds try one of those. The dug company is just doing a great job PUSHING Effexor.I started taking 37.5 mg of Effexor 3 days ago, and after reading the thread about side effects/withdrawals I am scared to death to take it any longer.
>
> I am more concerned about my ability to achieve an erection (which I currently have no trouble with) and orgasm (ditto).
>
> Also, I work in a hospital and don't need tremors or sweats.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Thanks
>
> K
Posted by waterlily on May 19, 2003, at 14:51:54
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor » Kuschelbär, posted by Napaba on May 19, 2003, at 8:25:09
> Find a different drug. Effexor isn't worth it.
I've tried Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, imipramine, Serzone, Buspar, and Wellbutrin. None has tackled my anxiety as well as Effexor.
> I started taking 37.5 mg of Effexor 3 days ago, and after reading the thread about side effects/withdrawals I am scared to death to take it any longer.
> >
> > I am more concerned about my ability to achieve an erection (which I currently have no trouble with) and orgasm (ditto).
> >
> > Also, I work in a hospital and don't need tremors or sweats.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > K
>
>
I think that if you haven't tried other medications, it might be a good idea to give them a chance. However, as I stated above, I've tried many of them and Effexor works best for me. The sexual side effects are a problem at the 150 mg that I'm taking, but not so much of a problem that they outweigh the benefits. You mentioned tremors and sweats. It's possible that they will go away after you've been on the medication for a few weeks, should you decide to give Effexor a chance. I had nausea, headaches, sweating, etc. for the first few days on Effexor, but they went away. Similarly, when I started Serzone I had short-term memory problems, but they went away after a few weeks on the medication.
Posted by DeanG on May 19, 2003, at 21:11:28
In reply to Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by Kuschelbär on May 18, 2003, at 15:51:27
Hi K,
I too was so terrified of the addicting nature of Effexor after reading the comments on this thread that I quit after only my first capsule. Whoever says that this drug is not addicting is out of their mind. It's been four days now and for the first three I was in a complete fog with the shakes and shivers and such a migraine that I though my head was going to explode. I believe this drug is not for everyone and intend on calling my doctor first thing tomorrow and requesting something a little less potent.
Here's wishing you all the best,
Dean
Posted by melley on May 20, 2003, at 6:46:05
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I don't know whether what I am feeling is from the withdrawal from effexor or the adjusting to wellbutrin. I am feeling very rocky. Like motion sickness. Does anyone have any suggestions on ways to keep this feeling at bay?
Posted by Misha on May 20, 2003, at 7:23:57
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by DeanG on May 19, 2003, at 21:11:28
I know that there are people out there that would disagree, but in my honest opinion Effexor XR should be pulled from the market and not prescribed again. I am definitely not the only person to say that. Had I known what I know now, after nearly six months of terrible withdrawals, I never would have even considered taking it in the first place. Yes, I did taper off correctly. As said before, for a lucky few it has not caused bad withdrawals, but the percentage scale has too many people on the bad side to dismiss the problems. I do not feel that people who are on Effexor XR right now who have not gone off of it are qualified to dispute the issues of the withdrawal. Those of us who have experienced the sometimes debilitating withdrawals from it are not trying to so much "scare" people into not taking it, but to inform them of the potential risks that doctors either do not know about or are not telling them about. The following is the actual excerpt from the Effexor XR prescribing fact sheet listing the symptoms of discontinuation:
"Reported symptoms include agitation, anorexia, anxiety, confusion, coordination impaired, diarrhea, dizziness, dry mouth, dysphoric mood, fasciculation, fatigue, headaches, hypomania, insomnia, nausea, nervousness, nightmares, seizures, sensory disturbances (including shock-like electrical sensations), somnolence, sweating, tremor, vertigo, and vomiting."
The above is at the very bottom of the paper that comes with every bottle of Effexor XR, but how many of us read that before we starting taking the medication? It is also in the Effexor XR official website, but buried. They do not give any estimation of how long the symptoms may last. For those of you who, like myself, do not know what fasciculation means, here's the definition:"Fasciculation
<neurology, physiology> A small local contraction of muscles, visible through the skin, representing a spontaneous discharge of a number of fibres innervated by a single motor nerve filament."
There's the information that doctors should be providing their patients with. I had discontinued taking Effexor XR due to the bad side effects that did not go away while I was on it, such as insomnia/night sweats, anorexia and complete constipation just to name a few. Unfortunately laxatives did not help.People deserve all of the facts on any medication their doctor prescribes to them. Doctors tell us way too little the majority of the time. I apologize if this is disturbing to some of you, but I feel it is necessary.
Misha
Posted by Napaba on May 20, 2003, at 10:11:19
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by waterlily on May 19, 2003, at 14:51:54
I've been on Effexor for 4 months. I still have sweats daily as well as many other side effects. Some went away, but they seemed to be replaced with new side effects, such as severe joint pain and headaches.
> Find a different drug. Effexor isn't worth it.
>
> I've tried Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, imipramine, Serzone, Buspar, and Wellbutrin. None has tackled my anxiety as well as Effexor.
>
> > I started taking 37.5 mg of Effexor 3 days ago, and after reading the thread about side effects/withdrawals I am scared to death to take it any longer.
> > >
> > > I am more concerned about my ability to achieve an erection (which I currently have no trouble with) and orgasm (ditto).
> > >
> > > Also, I work in a hospital and don't need tremors or sweats.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > K
> >
> >
> I think that if you haven't tried other medications, it might be a good idea to give them a chance. However, as I stated above, I've tried many of them and Effexor works best for me. The sexual side effects are a problem at the 150 mg that I'm taking, but not so much of a problem that they outweigh the benefits. You mentioned tremors and sweats. It's possible that they will go away after you've been on the medication for a few weeks, should you decide to give Effexor a chance. I had nausea, headaches, sweating, etc. for the first few days on Effexor, but they went away. Similarly, when I started Serzone I had short-term memory problems, but they went away after a few weeks on the medication.
>
Posted by jtc on May 20, 2003, at 10:19:16
In reply to need help for withdrawal symptoms, posted by melley on May 20, 2003, at 6:46:05
> I don't know whether what I am feeling is from the withdrawal from effexor or the adjusting to wellbutrin. I am feeling very rocky. Like motion sickness. Does anyone have any suggestions on ways to keep this feeling at bay?
Hi, I have been off Effexor XR for about 2 months now. I read in an earlier posting that perhaps Benadryl will help with the dizziness. Good luck to you and keep us posted. jc
Posted by Napaba on May 20, 2003, at 10:26:03
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by Misha on May 20, 2003, at 7:23:57
I totally agree Effexor should be taken off the market.
My doctor told me there were only three possible side effect, he also said he hated to tell people the three, because then they would be looking for them and feel they had them. The three were- decreased sexual desire, blurred vision that would go away after the first couple of weeks (my eye site is now so bad I have to wear glasses, I only wore them before Effexor when driving or at the movies, my persciption doubled)and nausea. I think he missed another 25 that I personnally experience, which make the three he told me about look like a walk in the park.
I know that there are people out there that
would disagree, but in my honest opinion Effexor XR should be pulled from the market and not prescribed again. I am definitely not the only person to say that. Had I known what I know now, after nearly six months of terrible withdrawals, I never would have even considered taking it in the first place. Yes, I did taper off correctly. As said before, for a lucky few it has not caused bad withdrawals, but the percentage scale has too many people on the bad side to dismiss the problems. I do not feel that people who are on Effexor XR right now who have not gone off of it are qualified to dispute the issues of the withdrawal. Those of us who have experienced the sometimes debilitating withdrawals from it are not trying to so much "scare" people into not taking it, but to inform them of the potential risks that doctors either do not know about or are not telling them about. The following is the actual excerpt from the Effexor XR prescribing fact sheet listing the symptoms of discontinuation:
>
> "Reported symptoms include agitation, anorexia, anxiety, confusion, coordination impaired, diarrhea, dizziness, dry mouth, dysphoric mood, fasciculation, fatigue, headaches, hypomania, insomnia, nausea, nervousness, nightmares, seizures, sensory disturbances (including shock-like electrical sensations), somnolence, sweating, tremor, vertigo, and vomiting."
>
>
> The above is at the very bottom of the paper that comes with every bottle of Effexor XR, but how many of us read that before we starting taking the medication? It is also in the Effexor XR official website, but buried. They do not give any estimation of how long the symptoms may last. For those of you who, like myself, do not know what fasciculation means, here's the definition:
>
> "Fasciculation
> <neurology, physiology> A small local contraction of muscles, visible through the skin, representing a spontaneous discharge of a number of fibres innervated by a single motor nerve filament."
>
>
> There's the information that doctors should be providing their patients with. I had discontinued taking Effexor XR due to the bad side effects that did not go away while I was on it, such as insomnia/night sweats, anorexia and complete constipation just to name a few. Unfortunately laxatives did not help.
>
> People deserve all of the facts on any medication their doctor prescribes to them. Doctors tell us way too little the majority of the time. I apologize if this is disturbing to some of you, but I feel it is necessary.
>
>
> Misha
Posted by Belle Rose on May 20, 2003, at 11:17:12
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by Misha on May 20, 2003, at 7:23:57
I couldn't agree more that Effexor should be taken off of the market. I am 45 days off of Effexor and although the constipation immediately subsided, I went through 14 horrid days of nausea, shaking, extremely sensitive to sounds and smells, brain shocks (they were the worse), agitation, wanted to pull my fingers out of the joints. The symptoms day by day became more tolerable. I still have blurred vision and extreme joint pain, feeling like someone beat me across the torso with a bat. Mentally, I feel great with no depression. I spent a week being very angry that for so many years, I was made to feel weak or "crazy" when I described these symptoms to my physician. Maybe only a small percentage suffer these horrid symptoms, but we should not be dismissed.
In addition, Effexor XR has not been on the market for as long as the other mood stabilizers so there probably isn't alot of data regarding withdrawal. I believe there are alot of people that simply can't get off of it.
Posted by Kuschelbär on May 20, 2003, at 11:26:01
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor » Misha, posted by Napaba on May 20, 2003, at 10:26:03
After only four days on the 37.5 mg a day strength capsule, I decided to stop, but I did notice the constipation, blurred vision, sweats (last night at work I had to change scrubs), tremors and even a mild lack of sexual desire when I saw my SO at work (and this is VERY significant for me!).
I talked to one of the ER doctors who told me "Whatever drug you use as an anti-depressant is going to have a list of side effects that include the ones you're experiencing. They HAVE to list those! Even if someone farts, they have to list that!"
It cost me 25 bucks as a copay on my insurance company, but it was worth it to find out that it ISN'T worth it! I am 53, and my SO and I enjoy a very healthy sexual lifestyle. Yes, I have my downs, but I think I'll go back to the St. John's Wort and make some other adjustments. If any of you have recommendations as to another NATURAL mood enhancer, I'd be happy to read about them here.
Thanks for your responses!
K
Posted by DeanG on May 20, 2003, at 11:46:35
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by Misha on May 20, 2003, at 7:23:57
Hi Misha,
If it was not for this site and concerned people like yourself I'd probably be naively following my doctor's instructions and blissfully medicating myself with Effexor. Unfortunately, it took a 5 year addiction to Ativan, prescribed by my former family doctor to cure a nagging back condition, to open my eyes and make me leery of the ethics of the medical profession. Although their intentions may be genuine let's face it without experiencing first hand the serious side effects and withdrawals associated with any drug there's absolutely no reason for them to be reluctant or averse to distributing them as freely and as generously as they do. Believe it or not but after a mere half hour of a routine physical examination and a few questions here and there my new family doctor was able to deduce that I was bi-polar, had a very obsessive compulsive personality, somewhat manic depressive and overly anxious and high strung. And the miracle cure, none other than Effexor. I was delighted and all too eager to start treatment but I did have one stipulation, a very simple one that I was unequivocally adamant and unmistakably clear on and that was that the drug was in no way addicting which the doctor without any hesitation whatsoever clearly assured me it wasn't. My previous family doctor told me the same thing when he suggested a mild muscle relaxant called Ativan would do wonders for my nagging back. Where was he five years later when I was going through detox? As you, Misha, after going through a living hell, I felt that Ativan should immediatley be pulled off the market, the sooner the better. But that's not to say that certain people don't benefit from these two or any other drug. Although I swore off Effexor after only one capsule just four days ago, I'm now contemplating perhaps reducing the dosage to a tiny fraction of what was prescribed to circumvent the potential and obvious side effects. But my gut feel and past experience says dump the damn pills down the toilet. If only I could find a professional who knows what he's doing instead of trying to come up with a solution on my own. I know I have a chemical imbalance. But are pills the only cure? There have to be other alternatives.
Dean
Posted by melley on May 20, 2003, at 17:34:23
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I feel grotesque. Do I remember someone saying something about dramamine working?
I can't imagine going through weeks of this! This is wretched.
mel
Posted by dde on May 20, 2003, at 21:30:19
In reply to Re: Sexual Disfunction of Effexor, posted by DeanG on May 20, 2003, at 11:46:35
> Hi Misha,
>
> If it was not for this site and concerned people like yourself I'd probably be naively following my doctor's instructions and blissfully medicating myself with Effexor. Unfortunately, it took a 5 year addiction to Ativan, prescribed by my former family doctor to cure a nagging back condition, to open my eyes and make me leery of the ethics of the medical profession. Although their intentions may be genuine let's face it without experiencing first hand the serious side effects and withdrawals associated with any drug there's absolutely no reason for them to be reluctant or averse to distributing them as freely and as generously as they do. Believe it or not but after a mere half hour of a routine physical examination and a few questions here and there my new family doctor was able to deduce that I was bi-polar, had a very obsessive compulsive personality, somewhat manic depressive and overly anxious and high strung. And the miracle cure, none other than Effexor. I was delighted and all too eager to start treatment but I did have one stipulation, a very simple one that I was unequivocally adamant and unmistakably clear on and that was that the drug was in no way addicting which the doctor without any hesitation whatsoever clearly assured me it wasn't. My previous family doctor told me the same thing when he suggested a mild muscle relaxant called Ativan would do wonders for my nagging back. Where was he five years later when I was going through detox? As you, Misha, after going through a living hell, I felt that Ativan should immediatley be pulled off the market, the sooner the better. But that's not to say that certain people don't benefit from these two or any other drug. Although I swore off Effexor after only one capsule just four days ago, I'm now contemplating perhaps reducing the dosage to a tiny fraction of what was prescribed to circumvent the potential and obvious side effects. But my gut feel and past experience says dump the damn pills down the toilet. If only I could find a professional who knows what he's doing instead of trying to come up with a solution on my own. I know I have a chemical imbalance. But are pills the only cure? There have to be other alternatives.
>
> Dean
Dean,My daughter had better luck by going into a psychiatric facility, being treated one on one on a daily basis for 9 days than she did going to a psychiatrist outside. The doc at the hospital said that it is a fallacy that these meds will take weeks to get enough into your system to start doing some good. He said you will know in a matter of 2 days if your system is going to handle and adjust. He also said she would be on this med (lexapro) for a year, then taper off; and if she goes back into depression she will have to go back on and stay on for life, as the chances of future episode would increase from 50/50 to 95%! She is doing terrific now. The reality is this: mental illness doesn't just "go away" after a while like a virus or bacterial infection. The body stops making or doesn't make enough of certain chemicals, and nothing we do can start it back up again. All that can be done is adding to make up for the lack. Effexor is not good stuff. If you have brain zaps in the first days of taking it, get off of it. Only my best regards, dde
Posted by Russell on May 21, 2003, at 1:32:38
In reply to Brain Shivers, posted by dde on May 20, 2003, at 21:30:19
I quit Paxil "cold-turkey" last October - after 7 years of usage. It was an accident, I was on a business trip out of country - and ran out!
It was miserable - but research indicated that Dramnamine (sp) could help. BOY DID IT! I took two a day, morning and night, and the "Brain Zapps" were practically non-existant except for the first few minutes in the morning before the Dram... took effect.
Try it - I have been Paxil-Clean since October - but not symptom clean - worry and anxiety are in total control of my life except for an occasional Xanax...Hope this helps
Posted by melley on May 21, 2003, at 6:20:17
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers, posted by Russell on May 21, 2003, at 1:32:38
> I quit Paxil "cold-turkey" last October - after 7 years of usage. It was an accident, I was on a business trip out of country - and ran out!
>
> It was miserable - but research indicated that Dramnamine (sp) could help. BOY DID IT! I took two a day, morning and night, and the "Brain Zapps" were practically non-existant except for the first few minutes in the morning before the Dram... took effect.
> Try it - I have been Paxil-Clean since October - but not symptom clean - worry and anxiety are in total control of my life except for an occasional Xanax...
>
> Hope this helpsDid you have nausea and dizzines going off the paxil and did the dramamine help with that? I feel a bit better today so hopefully it won't worsen over the course of the day.
thanks,
Melissa
Posted by Russell on May 21, 2003, at 14:03:47
In reply to Re: Brain Shivers » Russell, posted by melley on May 21, 2003, at 6:20:17
I had all the classic symptoms reported on this board. The dramamine reduced them to a "managable" level. Hang in there - you will get better.
Posted by DeanG on May 21, 2003, at 14:38:05
In reply to Brain Shivers, posted by dde on May 20, 2003, at 21:30:19
Hi DDE,
I am so glad that things are looking up for your daughter. And thank you kindly for the encouragement and advice. As far as what my next move will be, I've still not decided. The doctor said he'd phone and set up a referral with a psychiatrist but still no call and after all the horror stories I've read I'm no longer so sure I want to pursue this. It might just be easier to go on living with my problems as I have all these years rather than have some shrink place a label on me and get me hooked on his drug of choice.
Thanks again for your concern.
Dean
My daughter had better luck by going into a psychiatric facility, being treated one on one on a daily basis for 9 days than she did going to a psychiatrist outside. The doc at the hospital said that it is a fallacy that these meds will take weeks to get enough into your system to start doing some good. He said you will know in a matter of 2 days if your system is going to handle and adjust. He also said she would be on this med (lexapro) for a year, then taper off; and if she goes back into depression she will have to go back on and stay on for life, as the chances of future episode would increase from 50/50 to 95%! She is doing terrific now. The reality is this: mental illness doesn't just "go away" after a while like a virus or bacterial infection. The body stops making or doesn't make enough of certain chemicals, and nothing we do can start it back up again. All that can be done is adding to make up for the lack. Effexor is not good stuff. If you have brain zaps in the first days of taking it, get off of it. Only my best regards, dde
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