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Posted by Stamper on November 5, 2002, at 21:39:38
In reply to Re: A Slow down, posted by Sioux on November 4, 2002, at 19:44:23
Have any of you fallen in love with your therapist or have the therapist fall in love with you? Apparently there is a lot of this going on but never heard of it before until I read about it on another post. I'm on effexor-300 mg and wellbutrin-400 mg. Have been lurking here for some time.
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 6, 2002, at 7:54:34
In reply to Love with therapist, posted by Stamper on November 5, 2002, at 21:39:38
> Have any of you fallen in love with your therapist or have the therapist fall in love with you?
This is a good question, but it has more to do with psychology than medication, so I'd like follow-ups to it to be redirected to Psycho-Psycho-Babble:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20020829/msgs/1466.html
Thanks,
Bob
PS: And follow-ups regarding posting policies to be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by Elle on November 6, 2002, at 21:31:30
In reply to Re: FXR XR Discontinuation Steps » SLS, posted by kid47 on September 26, 2001, at 14:09:03
I recently attempted discontinuing Effexor XR 150 mg after two years and it was definitely a mistake. I felt terrible within approx. 36 hours of the missed dose. I went to my doctor and am now tapering; 75 mg for 2 wks. then 37.5 mg for 2 wks. I asked for an rx for prozac as well because I read this can help with the withdrawal. He had no idea about this and, unbelieveably, he said he had never heard of someone having such a tough time stopping Effexor. Anyway, any info regarding the prozac addition would be great. Thanks!
Posted by Geezer on November 7, 2002, at 9:12:45
In reply to Re: FXR XR Discontinuation Steps, posted by Elle on November 6, 2002, at 21:31:30
Hi Elle,
Your experience RE: the Prozac for FXR withdrawal is very typical. I have not been able to tell if pdocs won't admit the truth about using Prozac for this purpose or if they are just ignorant. In any case you are correct, substituting Prozac (10mg. every other day for about 5 days - then stop the Prozac) will help a great deal due to the long half life of the Prozac. The fact that he is "surprized" about the withdrawal is a farce (if they told us about the withdrawal we would never take the stuff). As a psyc. patient we are in a consumer's market, sadly, we have to determine what is right for us based on our own education.
Wish you the very best,
Geezer
Posted by japonica on November 7, 2002, at 14:00:21
In reply to Re: FXR XR Discontinuation Steps » Elle, posted by Geezer on November 7, 2002, at 9:12:45
Hello group,
I have been taking Effexor XR for 1 month now. I read many of these postings prior to beginning the medication. Although there is much negativity here, I saw some hopeful posts. As someone who has tried various medications since the age of 19 (I am now 42) I am pleased to say I am VERY encouraged by my early experience with Effexor.
I was off medication more than on throughout the duration of my struggle with dpression. Many years ago before SSRIs and the newer generations of drugs I was placed on some harsh chemicals at a time when I felt literally "out of my mind." Drugs like Lithium. These only served to convince me there was no hope and furthered my steady decline into depression. After the birth of my first child I was able to redirect my energies for quite some time and lead a relatively normal life. Then I had my second child and continued to maintain.
Around the time my younger child turned 2 I began, again, a steady downward spiral and immediately went for help. I was presribed Prozac which saved my life. The only problem was I went from 110 to 87 pounds (I'm very small). That coupled with the fact that my spouse could not handle the stigma of my need for medication in order to be "normal" made me decide to quit --I had no side effects.
In February of 2001 I had another major depressive episode and again sought help. Prozac again. Except this time it didn't help. I "bucked-up" (bad idea) and decided to go it alone again.
In Jan. of 2002 I separated from my husband and felt not only depression but anxiety. I went on Zoloft in June of 2002 and was close to losing my professional job of 16 years because I could no longer concentrate. After 4 weeks on Zoloft gained 25 and felt, in general, like cr*p.
Am now on Effexor XR, have lost all of the weight and have been given some high prioity tasks at work, the kind I'm used to being assigned to.
My only side-effect was a yeast infection (immediately)for which I took Ascidophilus (spelling?). These are the "active cultures" found in yogurt. It cleared up immediately and I feel very well.
Sorry for the long post. I wanted to introduce myself and say thank you to all who give their time here. You have been most helpful.
japonica
Posted by jannbeau on November 7, 2002, at 14:32:57
In reply to Effexor Newbie, posted by japonica on November 7, 2002, at 14:00:21
> You're very welcome, both to the board and for your "thanks".
Good luck to you. I hope you continue to do well on Effexor.
Cheers,
JannbeauHello group,
>
> I have been taking Effexor XR for 1 month now. I read many of these postings prior to beginning the medication. Although there is much negativity here, I saw some hopeful posts. As someone who has tried various medications since the age of 19 (I am now 42) I am pleased to say I am VERY encouraged by my early experience with Effexor.
>
> I was off medication more than on throughout the duration of my struggle with dpression. Many years ago before SSRIs and the newer generations of drugs I was placed on some harsh chemicals at a time when I felt literally "out of my mind." Drugs like Lithium. These only served to convince me there was no hope and furthered my steady decline into depression. After the birth of my first child I was able to redirect my energies for quite some time and lead a relatively normal life. Then I had my second child and continued to maintain.
>
> Around the time my younger child turned 2 I began, again, a steady downward spiral and immediately went for help. I was presribed Prozac which saved my life. The only problem was I went from 110 to 87 pounds (I'm very small). That coupled with the fact that my spouse could not handle the stigma of my need for medication in order to be "normal" made me decide to quit --I had no side effects.
>
> In February of 2001 I had another major depressive episode and again sought help. Prozac again. Except this time it didn't help. I "bucked-up" (bad idea) and decided to go it alone again.
>
> In Jan. of 2002 I separated from my husband and felt not only depression but anxiety. I went on Zoloft in June of 2002 and was close to losing my professional job of 16 years because I could no longer concentrate. After 4 weeks on Zoloft gained 25 and felt, in general, like cr*p.
>
> Am now on Effexor XR, have lost all of the weight and have been given some high prioity tasks at work, the kind I'm used to being assigned to.
>
> My only side-effect was a yeast infection (immediately)for which I took Ascidophilus (spelling?). These are the "active cultures" found in yogurt. It cleared up immediately and I feel very well.
>
> Sorry for the long post. I wanted to introduce myself and say thank you to all who give their time here. You have been most helpful.
>
> japonica
Posted by Sioux on November 7, 2002, at 17:03:52
In reply to Effexor Newbie, posted by japonica on November 7, 2002, at 14:00:21
Hello to you, too, Japonica!
I'm delighted to read of your success with Effexor. It sounds exactly like the situation for which the drug was designed and I'm glad you found it. I wish you every good thing.
Speaking only for myself, my negative relationship is not with the drug per se. I believe it does well what it was designed to do. My concern has been with what I experience as irresponsible prescribing. This is to say, prescribing without a proper diagnosis, prescribing inappropriate levels of the drug, prescribing without the patient's truly *informed* consent (i.e. not telling folks about the side effects), and inappropriate attention to the patient's report of the experience with the drug. The irresponsible prescribing of this drug is on a par with irresponsible surgery. The surgery itself may be good, but its inappropriate application can have seriously deleterious effects on the patient.
(Actually, I can talk like that too if I remember to put my teeth in first... <G>)
Love and very best wishes. Thanks for your post.
S
> Hello group,
>
> I have been taking Effexor XR for 1 month now. I read many of these postings prior to beginning the medication. Although there is much negativity here, I saw some hopeful posts. As someone who has tried various medications since the age of 19 (I am now 42) I am pleased to say I am VERY encouraged by my early experience with Effexor.
>
> I was off medication more than on throughout the duration of my struggle with dpression. Many years ago before SSRIs and the newer generations of drugs I was placed on some harsh chemicals at a time when I felt literally "out of my mind." Drugs like Lithium. These only served to convince me there was no hope and furthered my steady decline into depression. After the birth of my first child I was able to redirect my energies for quite some time and lead a relatively normal life. Then I had my second child and continued to maintain.
>
> Around the time my younger child turned 2 I began, again, a steady downward spiral and immediately went for help. I was presribed Prozac which saved my life. The only problem was I went from 110 to 87 pounds (I'm very small). That coupled with the fact that my spouse could not handle the stigma of my need for medication in order to be "normal" made me decide to quit --I had no side effects.
>
> In February of 2001 I had another major depressive episode and again sought help. Prozac again. Except this time it didn't help. I "bucked-up" (bad idea) and decided to go it alone again.
>
> In Jan. of 2002 I separated from my husband and felt not only depression but anxiety. I went on Zoloft in June of 2002 and was close to losing my professional job of 16 years because I could no longer concentrate. After 4 weeks on Zoloft gained 25 and felt, in general, like cr*p.
>
> Am now on Effexor XR, have lost all of the weight and have been given some high prioity tasks at work, the kind I'm used to being assigned to.
>
> My only side-effect was a yeast infection (immediately)for which I took Ascidophilus (spelling?). These are the "active cultures" found in yogurt. It cleared up immediately and I feel very well.
>
> Sorry for the long post. I wanted to introduce myself and say thank you to all who give their time here. You have been most helpful.
>
> japonica
Posted by Elle on November 8, 2002, at 0:11:34
In reply to Re: FXR XR Discontinuation Steps » Elle, posted by Geezer on November 7, 2002, at 9:12:45
Dear Geezer,
Thank you for your message. I am very determined to get off the effexor; I've gained approx. 20 lbs. over the past year & half and after the experience with the withdrawal symptoms I felt, I'm very convinced that this drug isn't right for me.
Elle : )
Posted by Kalevi on November 10, 2002, at 16:04:37
In reply to Re: I hate Effexor, be careful with it, posted by LISABECK on January 2, 2001, at 23:43:18
After 3 years with effexor (150 mg)i have now stopped taking it. I have during 2 months slowly decreased the dose from 150 mg to 75 and for the last 3 weeks only 25 mg and now since 3 days back 0. The side effects are terrible!!! I experience muscular effects like ticks, and fenomenons like petit mal (epilepsi), bad headake, a strange flashing experience that feels like electrical fenomenons starting from my head and down my neck, to day it was really horrible i have experienced all the sideeffects above +that i been so dizzy so i had to throw up. I would like to warn people and make them think twice before starting with effexor. It's a great help when you are in a state of depression, but stopping the medication is like going to hell but hopefully i find my way back from there... and NO I want give up now and start taking them again. I feel sometimes that perhaps there is better way of dealing with a depression than taking drugs like effexor. I strongly believe that a couple of weeks on a farm on the countryside with people in the same situation as I and with help from some psychoterapist would had helped better and faster than 3 years om medication. For me it all started with stress that lead to a "burnout" witch lead to a depression.. an all to common problem to day.
Sorry about my poor English, but it's propably better than your finnish ;-))
/Kalevi
mail: spam@privat.utfors.se> I HATED EFFEXOR TOO. THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS ON IT, I HAD THESE STRANGE FEELINGS AND SENSATIONS IN MY CHEST-KIND OF LIKE WEAKNESS. I ALSO FELT FAINT A LOT. WHILE I WAS WEANING OFF EFFEXOR, VERY SLOWLY BY THE WAY, I HAD THE ABSOLUTELY WORST PANIC ATTACK OF MY LIFE...
Posted by h20surfer1 on November 10, 2002, at 19:50:43
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I have not been on the board for a month and thought it might help some to give an update.
I have been on Effexor since July (225mg). I just recently started Remerol for increasing libido.
I have had great success on Effexor and wish that I went in for help 12 yrs ago. I have no depression and an 80% reduction in anxiety (the remerol also works on anxiety).
Yes, I went through very uncomfortable side effects for the first 2 months with each increase in dosage. Effexor has now become a normal routine in my life and has helped me tremendously. I will stay on this drug until my Doctor recommends differently.
My only side effect is a decrease in libido.
I hope this post will help some of you just starting out. Not everyone responds the same but give the drug a chance before tossing it.
Good Luck!!!
Posted by sly on November 11, 2002, at 14:23:30
In reply to Positive Effexor Update, posted by h20surfer1 on November 10, 2002, at 19:50:43
Well said. Effexor may have saved my life. Despite all the warnings on this page and the side effects, which eventually all went away after a few weeks, I stayed on the drug and have been on it for 8 months now. Overall I've seen a drastic improvement, I feel alive and happy and have the energy to make positive changes I never thought possible during even the best days of my depression.
Don't give up too early, good things come to those who wait - it really is true - don't expect miracles overnight, it will happen slowly overtime, and possibly without you even realizing it, often others notice the improvement before you.
Posted by nonamedad on November 11, 2002, at 16:33:21
In reply to Re: Positive Effexor Update, posted by sly on November 11, 2002, at 14:23:30
I am on effexor since three months, and I wish I had been on it before. I feel so well. I am a new man.
Life is beutiful and deserve a fare chance.
one day a the time
Marc
Posted by befree on November 11, 2002, at 16:43:41
In reply to Re: Positive Effexor Update, posted by nonamedad on November 11, 2002, at 16:33:21
I am taking Effexor SR 37.5 mg (Day 3, second time around) and am taking it first thing in the morning without any food. I first tried it in the evening with my last evening meal. I experienced a lot of drowsiness, lethargy, loss of appetite, loss of interest in things I was enjoying, lack of motivation. After 3 weeks I discontinued the medication. I started it again because my doctor didn't think I stayed on it long enough. I am taking it in the morning per my doctor's advise. I am still feeling drowsy. This is reportedly one of the better antidepressants on the market. I am basically using myself as a guinea pig. I might add I have been on all the SSI's, Luvox, Anapranil, Wellbutrin, and trazadone, all with mild to moderate success. I was on Prozac the longest- 10 years, and it just stopped working over time. I am getting really fed up. If this doesn't work, I don't know what to do next? I have also been on SAM-e, St. John's Wort, with minimal to no effect.
Posted by juanantoniod on November 11, 2002, at 19:07:41
In reply to Effexor SR, posted by befree on November 11, 2002, at 16:43:41
I echo the good sentiments posted here about Effexor. It has also helped me tremendously.
Your doctor has said to take Effexor in the morning because it usally causes activation (according to my PDOC). However everyone responds differently to medication. I happen to be a little sedated by it, so I take it at night.
I encourage you to stay with the medication, but try taking it at bedtime instead.
Posted by Bizzou on November 11, 2002, at 23:14:23
In reply to Re: Effexor SR, posted by juanantoniod on November 11, 2002, at 19:07:41
I am french speaking from Ottawa in Canada. Please excuse any mistake in my writing.
I have been suffering from a burnout since last October /01. I used to take Prozac. Did not help anymore. Now moved on to Effexor. I started a week ago with 37.5 and now, in my second week is at 75mg.
Dry mouth and constipation are the two side effects I've encoutered so far.
I will give this drug a chance to work (3 to 4 Months). ButI do not plan to take these type of medication for the rest of my life. I have taken Prozac for 7 yrs combined with Synthroid for thyroid problem plus some sleeping aids.
I am quite positive this Effexor will help me but I thing that eventually you have to quit. But before I do quit these drugs, I will have resolved the inner reasons for these inappropriate feelings. I'm planning to see a psychologist with experience in PNL and with those two aids (effexor and PNL), I should feel better again. Hopefully.....
Since I believe in higher power above that we call God, I pray to him that this works. I will do my part and he should not let me down in doing his!
Posted by bridgette_31 on November 11, 2002, at 23:40:20
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by EFFEXOR WITHDRAWAL on January 21, 2000, at 23:04:10
Coming down from the codeine in itself will give you a terrible flu-like detox feeling. You will sweat, vomit, have diarrhea, headache, bodyaches, etc for at least a week.
Posted by bridgette_31 on November 12, 2002, at 0:00:04
In reply to Effexor Newbie, posted by japonica on November 7, 2002, at 14:00:21
I too just started taking Effexor today after complaining to my Pain Management Dr. that I was feeling anxious, and hated everyone and everything equally!
I too have spent about the last 6 yrs off and on different types of meds and anti depressants. I too was diagnosed manic-depressive when I wasn't. I just was depressed and had too much caffeine at the same time. I was given Lithium and stared at the wall and didn't give a damn about anything going on around me. My kids and husband noticed that I was just existing and they worried about me. In the mornings I would just sit and stare, I was sleepy and just really out of it. I hated that stuff!
I was in a car accident which has caused me chronic back pain, following two surgeries, and that in itself would tend to make someone a little depressed and really pissed off!
Anyway, I'm hoping that this Effexor is the answer. It took it a few hours ago, and quite frankly I feel perked up and not so anxious!
Bridgette
Posted by harryartin on November 12, 2002, at 1:06:56
In reply to Effexor, think twice!!!!, posted by Kalevi on November 10, 2002, at 16:04:37
I think effexor is the worst and all anti-depressents for that matter. I feel totally drugged and completely out of it. I am now beyond depressed. I feel totally out of touch with my emotions. I don't know how to feel or react. I just feel like I'm a drugged lump made to feel positive about my very terrible life. I feel that anti depressents just coat your failures and failed self in positivity where no positivity should exist. They are bullshit!
Posted by japonica on November 12, 2002, at 14:28:05
In reply to Re: Effexor Newbie, posted by bridgette_31 on November 12, 2002, at 0:00:04
Good luck to you Bridgette! I have to admit I've read more negative than positive reactions to Effexor. Of course it's entirely reasonable to think those who are doing well are not seeking advice so therefore not posting.
As stated in my initial post, I feel fine on Effexor. No sleep problems, no stomach problems, no "fuzzy brain" or any other side effects. (I do have a bit of residual depression. I am only at 75mg).
I'm able to concentrate, it has helped with my PMS, my axiety is virtually nonexistent, and I've lost the weight I gained on Zoloft (now THAT drug I hated!).
Stay in touch with us so we know how you're doing.
japonica
Posted by h20surfer1 on November 12, 2002, at 21:36:59
In reply to Re: Effexor, think twice!!!!, posted by harryartin on November 12, 2002, at 1:06:56
> I think effexor is the worst and all anti-depressents for that matter. I feel totally drugged and completely out of it. I am now beyond depressed. I feel totally out of touch with my emotions. I don't know how to feel or react. I just feel like I'm a drugged lump made to feel positive about my very terrible life. I feel that anti depressents just coat your failures and failed self in positivity where no positivity should exist. They are bullshit!
I think you should consult your Doc, you sound like you are on the wrong Med for your condition.
For the others reading these, remember, the therapuetic dose starts at 150mg. Ramping up at first is tough. The side effects at the beginning suck, I definitely did not dig them. They dissapear over time (at least for me) and the results are well worth it. When I read this board during my "ramp up" it scared the "...." out of me but I stuck with it.
I will post again in a month to update the effects of combining Remerol with Effexor.
Posted by anais on November 13, 2002, at 1:06:38
In reply to Re: Effexor Newbie, posted by Sioux on November 7, 2002, at 17:03:52
I'm a bit nervous about this effexor. I was taking paxil for 5 months, and it was better than nothing, but I was sleeping all the time, and would have serious bouts of crying a couple times a week. I saw my new pdoc for the 3rd time the other day. I arrived crying really hard cuz I was late and he doesn't extend visits if patients arrive late. Too, I was leaving the country in 2 days for 3 months and I really needed to sort out med issues. He saw that I was upset and suggested that I increase the paxil. I said no way cuz it makes me sleep too much. So he pulled out his prescription pad, wrote up some effexor for me, asked for his money (I don't have insurance now), and escorted me out of his office. I kid you not, I was there for under 5 minutes. I have no idea what this stuff is, and am scared cuz he's basing this med change on my crying fit in the office. I take 37mg/day for 2 days, then increase by 37mg every 2 days until i'm at 150mg. Is this usual for starting up? And what about this doctor? The pdoc before him would give me platitudes about how people are like plants and need water and sunshine. I've decided not to go back to either of them. Does anyone see a regular family MD for antidepressants? What's so great about pdocs? And what about this effexor mess? What am I getting into?
Posted by jyl on November 13, 2002, at 6:36:43
In reply to bad shrink+effexor=?, posted by anais on November 13, 2002, at 1:06:38
anais-
was seeing my md for months-he put me on paxil(20)
than uppped me to 40mg-
i had a panic attack for 3days-
a pdoc in hospital put me of effexor and trazodone
spent 7 days in hospital-
head ofall the hospitals pdocs put me on wellbrutin-seroquel and a thryoid replacement(my md never tested me?)
i feel better(only second week)
i only wish this was addressed when i was a teen -
instead they(parents and md)just said i drank too much and swept it under the carpet.
good luck hun
jyl
Posted by sly on November 13, 2002, at 9:17:25
In reply to bad shrink+effexor=?, posted by anais on November 13, 2002, at 1:06:38
Get a new doctor.
I see my family Doc for my meds, and a psychologist, not psychiatrist for my head. The result has been wonderful. I had friends and family who saw psychiatrists, they all said they were awful and no help at all, they wouldn't talk to them, only prescribed meds and didn't seem to care about how they were feeling mentally or physically. In fact, even my family doc said don't bother going to a Psychiatrist.
The meds will help you get over the slump, but you need a psychologist to get you to work out your feelings and make positive changes.
Posted by Geezer on November 13, 2002, at 10:20:55
In reply to bad shrink+effexor=?, posted by anais on November 13, 2002, at 1:06:38
Hi anais,
Only my opinion but it sounds like you have a good deal more common sense than the "shrink". There is no way I would start a new drug like Effexor if I were about to embark on a long trip; not with the start-up side effect profil that drug is known for.
I would agree with the previous poster.....dump this production line quack and find a pdoc that knows how to listen.
Wish you the best,
Geezer
Posted by jannbeau on November 13, 2002, at 11:30:07
In reply to Effexor, think twice!!!!, posted by Kalevi on November 10, 2002, at 16:04:37
>These effects will pass within a few days. If they don't, you might try a little Prozac for a few days. I understand your frustration. Coming off this medication can be difficult, but you WILL be OK!
I agree with you about the medication issue. Seems like the answer to everyone's problems is an antidepressant or other medication--it's the pervasive influence of the "medical model" -- medicine knows everything and can cure everything with a pill or surgery!
No apologies necessary for the English. You are SO right--much better than my Finnish--which is nil!
Cheers,
JannbeauAfter 3 years with effexor (150 mg)i have now stopped taking it. I have during 2 months slowly decreased the dose from 150 mg to 75 and for the last 3 weeks only 25 mg and now since 3 days back 0. The side effects are terrible!!! I experience muscular effects like ticks, and fenomenons like petit mal (epilepsi), bad headake, a strange flashing experience that feels like electrical fenomenons starting from my head and down my neck, to day it was really horrible i have experienced all the sideeffects above +that i been so dizzy so i had to throw up. I would like to warn people and make them think twice before starting with effexor. It's a great help when you are in a state of depression, but stopping the medication is like going to hell but hopefully i find my way back from there... and NO I want give up now and start taking them again. I feel sometimes that perhaps there is better way of dealing with a depression than taking drugs like effexor. I strongly believe that a couple of weeks on a farm on the countryside with people in the same situation as I and with help from some psychoterapist would had helped better and faster than 3 years om medication. For me it all started with stress that lead to a "burnout" witch lead to a depression.. an all to common problem to day.
>
> Sorry about my poor English, but it's propably better than your finnish ;-))
>
> /Kalevi
> mail: spam@privat.utfors.se
>
> > I HATED EFFEXOR TOO. THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS ON IT, I HAD THESE STRANGE FEELINGS AND SENSATIONS IN MY CHEST-KIND OF LIKE WEAKNESS. I ALSO FELT FAINT A LOT. WHILE I WAS WEANING OFF EFFEXOR, VERY SLOWLY BY THE WAY, I HAD THE ABSOLUTELY WORST PANIC ATTACK OF MY LIFE...
>
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