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Posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 3:29:37
Because I am trying to do so!
Posted by hawkeye on July 18, 2002, at 6:34:01
In reply to Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist?, posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 3:29:37
FYI
http://www.google.com/search?q=psychiatrist+malpractice&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Posted by Bill L on July 18, 2002, at 8:52:49
In reply to Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist?, posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 3:29:37
Why? What happened?
Posted by fachad on July 18, 2002, at 9:15:35
In reply to Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist?, posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 3:29:37
Sure, people are always suing each other for all kinds of things, and psychiatrists, like all physicians get sued frequently. People wonder why docs charge so much - well, part of it is to pay for malpractice insurance.
Is the Effexor + Remeron thing the only basis of your lawsuit?
No matter how bad your reaction, I don't think he would be considered at fault, because that combo is fairy common and works for many people.
Is their something else that he did that makes you think he has been so negligent that he needs to be sued?
Sometimes if a doctor has really been negligent, a lawsuit is appropriate. But excessive lawsuits hurt us all in two ways.
First, treatment costs go up to pay lawyers, judgments, and malpractice insurance.
More importantly, docs are less inclined to go "out on a limb" to help patients. Imagine if there is someone out there who is on the road to suicide, and the only med combo that will help them is Remeron + Effexor. But because your pdoc is still stinging from the lawsuit, he is reluctant to prescribe that combo.
I don't know the important facts of you situation, but I would encourage you to think this through before you act.
Posted by judy1 on July 18, 2002, at 10:15:11
In reply to Re: Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist? » rjk, posted by fachad on July 18, 2002, at 9:15:35
I have to agree with fachad. A lawsuit (I am in the midst of one- not dr. related) has got to be one of the most emotionally and financially draining experiences in the world. When boundaries were crossed with my ex-shrink we had a mediator (also a shrink) that the board provided. It helped me a great deal (although I still am working on trust issues). I beg you to give it a little time before acting. Take care, judy
Posted by judy1 on July 18, 2002, at 10:17:12
In reply to Re: Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist? » fachad, posted by judy1 on July 18, 2002, at 10:15:11
Posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 12:11:39
In reply to Re: Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist?, posted by Bill L on July 18, 2002, at 8:52:49
> Why? What happened?
I was advised to take a combination of ADs (remeron + effexor) that has done me a great deal of harm. I was diagnosed as "treatment resistant", which I wasn't and when I told the psych who advised me to take them that I was having problems, he wrote to me and told me to increase the dose. There are other issues as well, but that idiot has wrecked my life.
Posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 12:21:08
In reply to Re: Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist? » rjk, posted by fachad on July 18, 2002, at 9:15:35
I agree with what you are saying, but the joker who prescribed me that combo had only seen me once. I was no where near either suicide or treatment resistant and he knew that I had previously had good results with Remeron on its own, but it had brought me out in a rash.
For someone who is truly treatment resistant, then I can accept what you have said.
I have looked into the background of this combo and there have been no clinical trials whatsoever. All I am saying is that psychs should be a bit more responsible when it comes to prescribing combos of drugs and when they do, it should be closely monitored. I do not believe that telling someone to increase the dose by post is a very responsible attitude to a comination of drugs without clinical trials.
> Sure, people are always suing each other for all kinds of things, and psychiatrists, like all physicians get sued frequently. People wonder why docs charge so much - well, part of it is to pay for malpractice insurance.
>
> Is the Effexor + Remeron thing the only basis of your lawsuit?
>
> No matter how bad your reaction, I don't think he would be considered at fault, because that combo is fairy common and works for many people.
>
> Is their something else that he did that makes you think he has been so negligent that he needs to be sued?
>
> Sometimes if a doctor has really been negligent, a lawsuit is appropriate. But excessive lawsuits hurt us all in two ways.
>
> First, treatment costs go up to pay lawyers, judgments, and malpractice insurance.
>
> More importantly, docs are less inclined to go "out on a limb" to help patients. Imagine if there is someone out there who is on the road to suicide, and the only med combo that will help them is Remeron + Effexor. But because your pdoc is still stinging from the lawsuit, he is reluctant to prescribe that combo.
>
> I don't know the important facts of you situation, but I would encourage you to think this through before you act.
Posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 12:24:58
In reply to Re: Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist? » fachad, posted by judy1 on July 18, 2002, at 10:15:11
I am hoping that my legal insurance will pay the costs.
At the end of the day, why shouldn't psychs be as professional and responsible as anyone else. If they think that they can do what the hell they want and not be accountable for their actions, then it is patients that suffer, not the psychs.
> I have to agree with fachad. A lawsuit (I am in the midst of one- not dr. related) has got to be one of the most emotionally and financially draining experiences in the world. When boundaries were crossed with my ex-shrink we had a mediator (also a shrink) that the board provided. It helped me a great deal (although I still am working on trust issues). I beg you to give it a little time before acting. Take care, judy
Posted by oracle on July 18, 2002, at 16:36:37
In reply to I hear what you say, posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 12:21:08
> I agree with what you are saying, but the joker who prescribed me that combo had only seen me once. I was no where near either suicide or treatment resistant and he knew that I had previously had good results with Remeron on its own, but it had brought me out in a rash.
All I am saying is that psychs should be a bit more responsible when it comes to prescribing combos of drugs and when they do, it should be closely monitored. I do not believe that telling someone to increase the dose by post is a very responsible attitude to a comination of drugs without clinical trials.But how ? On the HMO system they do not have much time to give to patients.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2002, at 9:48:03
In reply to P.S. maybe move this to PSB? (nm) » judy1, posted by judy1 on July 18, 2002, at 10:17:12
> maybe move this to PSB?
That's a good idea, how about if the legal issues, etc., are redirected there:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020714/msgs/26689.html
but the medication issues stay here? Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.
Posted by joy on July 19, 2002, at 10:32:26
In reply to Re: I hear what you say, posted by Wilkie on July 19, 2002, at 9:59:17
If the med combo did not work, and made you worse, that is something in your particular system. This combo works for many people. I think we have to be realistic. You're just making the lawyers rich! I do hope you are okay though, and I'm sorry it happened, but getting on with your life and getting better would be a more positive goal.
Joy
Posted by rjk on July 19, 2002, at 17:09:58
In reply to Re: I hear what you say, posted by joy on July 19, 2002, at 10:32:26
> If the med combo did not work, and made you worse, that is something in your particular system. This combo works for many people. I think we have to be realistic. You're just making the lawyers rich! I do hope you are okay though, and I'm sorry it happened, but getting on with your life and getting better would be a more positive goal.
> Joy
Thanks for your message. I am trying to get on with my life, but as I can't take any meds at all now, things are not that easy.
Posted by McPac on July 21, 2002, at 20:35:50
In reply to I'll tell you what happened, posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 12:11:39
> > Why? What happened?
> I was advised to take a combination of ADs (remeron + effexor) that has done me a great deal of harm. I was diagnosed as "treatment resistant", which I wasn't and when I told the psych who advised me to take them that I was having problems, he wrote to me and told me to increase the dose. There are other issues as well, but that idiot has wrecked my life.>>>>>>>Why not just shoot him instead?
Posted by rjk on July 22, 2002, at 11:34:38
In reply to Re: I'll tell you what happened, posted by McPac on July 21, 2002, at 20:35:50
Posted by Dave1 on July 22, 2002, at 14:53:25
In reply to Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist?, posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 3:29:37
When I was 18, about 20 years ago, my doctor gave my a high dose of stelyzine (check spelling) which is an antipsychotic which put me in the ER because my all my muscles cramped up.
It was a very physically painful experience.The doctor kept sending me bills for visits totally 1000$. I never paid - ha ha. Not a lawsuit, but some vindication. I think its very necessary for these malpractice lawyers to be aggressive, otherwise there would be alot more malpractice by physicians than there is currently.
Dave
Posted by McPac on July 22, 2002, at 16:25:37
In reply to Re: Anyone ever tried to sue a psychiatrist?, posted by Dave1 on July 22, 2002, at 14:53:25
Dave, you should have shot him too.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2002, at 8:01:37
In reply to Re: I'll tell you what happened, posted by McPac on July 21, 2002, at 20:35:50
> Why not just shoot him instead?
Could you please rephrase that, taking into account the civility guidelines here?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by McPac on July 23, 2002, at 18:56:58
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » McPac, posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2002, at 8:01:37
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Dave1 on July 23, 2002, at 20:41:06
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by McPac on July 23, 2002, at 18:56:58
McPac
There was some further indirect vindication.
The guy was disbarred, publicly, for awhile for having sex with a patient in his office. Wonder how his wife liked that!!!
Dave
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 23, 2002, at 23:39:38
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by McPac on July 23, 2002, at 18:56:58
> ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I take civility seriously, so I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by Mireille on July 24, 2002, at 18:46:23
In reply to I'll tell you what happened, posted by rjk on July 18, 2002, at 12:11:39
> > Why? What happened?
> I was advised to take a combination of ADs (remeron + effexor) that has done me a great deal of harm. I was diagnosed as "treatment resistant", which I wasn't and when I told the psych who advised me to take them that I was having problems, he wrote to me and told me to increase the dose. There are other issues as well, but that idiot has wrecked my life.
>
>Perfect example of what I said earlier - NO ONE KNOWS ENOUGH ABOUT THESE DRUGS TO BE CONSTANTLY PRESCRIBING THEM TO US ALL!!! All they know is: in some cases, they work. Why? Will we ever know? Not until more thorough research is done!
Ok, ok, you are going to say that if someone is about to commit suicide and the drugs save them...well, then they're ok. But why are we all prescribed drugs like candy, given out samples at physician's offices, not helped into dealing with our problems through therapy? WE ARE THE GUINEA PIGS OF THE NEW PSYCHO DRUG GENERATION!!!
I'm not sure if you should sue your psych personally, just because if you are having depression, etc. already, don't rock the boat with a lawsuit per others' advice. Also, yes, suing has become commonplace in our society. Still - someone should be held accountable for the fact that we are being fed drugs whose effects no one is very sure of - especially in the long term - and I say fed, because when you go into the doctor's office they will seriously hand them out to you...
Stepping off my soap box now...
Mireille
Posted by cybercafe on July 24, 2002, at 20:02:15
In reply to Re: I'll tell you what happened, posted by Mireille on July 24, 2002, at 18:46:23
> Perfect example of what I said earlier - NO ONE KNOWS ENOUGH ABOUT THESE DRUGS TO BE CONSTANTLY PRESCRIBING THEM TO US ALL!!! All they know is: in some cases, they work. Why? Will we ever know? Not until more thorough research is done!
.... okay.. but what are you suggesting? ... no one disagrees that things aren't perfect... but how do we make them better?
> Ok, ok, you are going to say that if someone is about to commit suicide and the drugs save them...well, then they're ok. But why are we all prescribed drugs like candy, given out samples at physician's offices, not helped into dealing with our problems through therapy? WE ARE THE GUINEA PIGS OF THE NEW PSYCHO DRUG GENERATION!!!hmmm... well why do you leave your house? or drive? driving is so very very dangerous... really...
>Still - someone should be held accountable for the fact that we are being fed drugs whose effects no one is very sure of - especially in the long term - and I say fed, because when you go into the doctor's office they will seriously hand them out to you...for those of us who can barely afford to buy drugs, free samples are greatly appreciated
Posted by rjk on July 25, 2002, at 0:19:41
In reply to Re: I'll tell you what happened, posted by Mireille on July 24, 2002, at 18:46:23
> > > Why? What happened?
> > I was advised to take a combination of ADs (remeron + effexor) that has done me a great deal of harm. I was diagnosed as "treatment resistant", which I wasn't and when I told the psych who advised me to take them that I was having problems, he wrote to me and told me to increase the dose. There are other issues as well, but that idiot has wrecked my life.
> >
> >
>
> Perfect example of what I said earlier - NO ONE KNOWS ENOUGH ABOUT THESE DRUGS TO BE CONSTANTLY PRESCRIBING THEM TO US ALL!!! All they know is: in some cases, they work. Why? Will we ever know? Not until more thorough research is done!
>
> Ok, ok, you are going to say that if someone is about to commit suicide and the drugs save them...well, then they're ok. But why are we all prescribed drugs like candy, given out samples at physician's offices, not helped into dealing with our problems through therapy? WE ARE THE GUINEA PIGS OF THE NEW PSYCHO DRUG GENERATION!!!
>
> I'm not sure if you should sue your psych personally, just because if you are having depression, etc. already, don't rock the boat with a lawsuit per others' advice. Also, yes, suing has become commonplace in our society. Still - someone should be held accountable for the fact that we are being fed drugs whose effects no one is very sure of - especially in the long term - and I say fed, because when you go into the doctor's office they will seriously hand them out to you...
>
> Stepping off my soap box now...
>
> Mireille
>
Thanks for your comments. What also really annoys me is the fact that since taking that combo I was prescribed 10 different meds before doctors realised that there might be a problem.Richard
Posted by Mireille on July 25, 2002, at 12:21:53
In reply to Re: I'll tell you what happened, posted by cybercafe on July 24, 2002, at 20:02:15
> > Perfect example of what I said earlier - NO ONE KNOWS ENOUGH ABOUT THESE DRUGS TO BE CONSTANTLY PRESCRIBING THEM TO US ALL!!! All they know is: in some cases, they work. Why? Will we ever know? Not until more thorough research is done!
>
> .... okay.. but what are you suggesting? ... no one disagrees that things aren't perfect... but how do we make them better?Wow, didn't realize I'd start something with all of this...:) Ok, maybe a little...
I suggest we quit accepting drugs whose effects we're not sure of...unless we really need them! Doctors are eager to hand them out in sample form, and I know, when you're depressed you're willing to try anything...I think the drugs are getting better now but we are leaving our lives in the hands of people who aren't testing them enough before putting them on market. And you can't tell me it isn't because they see a huge market for the drugs!
Still, you are right - there isn't much that someone who is very depressed can do about it. I mean, I'm jsut getting very very angry about these horrible withdrawal symptoms and about the fact that none of the doctors I've tried can tell me if they're normal or not, and what effects all of this could have on me in the future! I'm seriously afraid it has permanently altered my personality in some way!
> > Ok, ok, you are going to say that if someone is about to commit suicide and the drugs save them...well, then they're ok. But why are we all prescribed drugs like candy, given out samples at physician's offices, not helped into dealing with our problems through therapy? WE ARE THE GUINEA PIGS OF THE NEW PSYCHO DRUG GENERATION!!!
>
> hmmm... well why do you leave your house? or drive? driving is so very very dangerous... really...
>Very different. You have a lot more control, although yes it's always true you could die...but should a smoker say that? Why quit - I could get hit by a car? Yes, but that would be HAPPENSTANCE versus you ACTIVELY doing something that you know could harm yourself!
> >Still - someone should be held accountable for the fact that we are being fed drugs whose effects no one is very sure of - especially in the long term - and I say fed, because when you go into the doctor's office they will seriously hand them out to you...
> for those of us who can barely afford to buy
Yes, I know - I'm a starving grad student right now! But should I take dope just because it's given to me? I mean, if you're already on it and doing fine - great - I'm not questioning that. My Doc gave me free samples when I couldn't afford them. I'm not questioning that! I'm questioning the fact that you go into a doctor and say you think you have depression, they ask you three questions and hand you a sample of drugs (whichever drug is a la mode that week - or whichever one they have the most samples of).
Like I said, I'm poor right now, but the poor shouldn't be prey to rich drug companies who want to use them as guinea pigs or get them addicted to new drugs, either! "Here, take it, it's free...try it and see how you feel...sorry, we aren't sure of all the side effects but it will probably make you feel better..."
NO thanks!
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