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Posted by PaulB on January 23, 2002, at 15:56:34
I have often read that the Omega-3 fatty acids can be a useful adjunct to antidepressant medication. However there seems to be an increasing amount of evidence that indicates that Omega 3 are a useful "aid" to persons who suffer from bipolar depression as opposed to unipolar depression.
My interest in the Omega 3 fatty acids is because I live a stressful lifestlye and therefore want to augment my antidepressant[Sertraline]as much as possible. I take SAM-E and B-Vitamins in their co-enzyme forms and avoid recreational street drugs, caffeine and alcohol.
Despite the increasing wave of evidence that the omega-3 fatty acids are useful for persons with bipola should that dissuade persons with unipolar depresion from taking them. As my post heading indicates quid-pro-quo for advice. I want to help you too. Just say when and what your going to post and Ill do my best with the other psycho-babblers to help you out. We, most of us I think are not physicians but that doesnt mean we cannot offer advice that you may find helpful or wish to take up with your physician.
Thanks
PaulB
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2002, at 21:08:17
In reply to Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by PaulB on January 23, 2002, at 15:56:34
> I have often read that the Omega-3 fatty acids can be a useful adjunct to antidepressant medication. However there seems to be an increasing amount of evidence that indicates that Omega 3 are a useful "aid" to persons who suffer from bipolar depression as opposed to unipolar depression.
>
> My interest in the Omega 3 fatty acids is because I live a stressful lifestlye and therefore want to augment my antidepressant[Sertraline]as much as possible. I take SAM-E and B-Vitamins in their co-enzyme forms and avoid recreational street drugs, caffeine and alcohol.
>
> Despite the increasing wave of evidence that the omega-3 fatty acids are useful for persons with bipola should that dissuade persons with unipolar depresion from taking them. As my post heading indicates quid-pro-quo for advice. I want to help you too. Just say when and what your going to post and Ill do my best with the other psycho-babblers to help you out. We, most of us I think are not physicians but that doesnt mean we cannot offer advice that you may find helpful or wish to take up with your physician.
> Thanks
> PaulBPaul,
There is a person that has been taking the oil for 3 weeks (me) and there are good responses from it. But it is a difficult suppliment to use. More is not better and what amount to take has to be done experimentally. I have BPD and I am experimenting with "Omega" and I have found that thwere is a deffinate benifit frm taking the suppliment. You can email me at louelsa@cs.com or I can post more infomation to all.
Lou
Posted by Mr. Scott on January 23, 2002, at 22:28:15
In reply to Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by PaulB on January 23, 2002, at 15:56:34
I don't really know what I have, and I doubt any psychiatrist in the universe ever will definatively either. Some kind of mood/anxiety disorder best I can tell. But since the Antidepressants poop after a few years for me, and Bipolar is such an expanding diagnosis, and the fact that maybe I kind of do have a cycling pattern (or a drinking problem) Depakote was suggested. So I too did my research and came to Fish Oil or Omega 3 fatty acids. I have now over a 2 week period worked up to roughly 4,000 MG of EPA (the supposed active ingredient). I haven't taken it long enough to know. But I will soon. I have zero side effects. I plan to post if something happens.
Scott
Posted by btrout on January 24, 2002, at 16:19:25
In reply to Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by PaulB on January 23, 2002, at 15:56:34
Hi, PaulB.
I am also interested in nutrition as a way of helping my depression. You might want to try a LOT of folic acid. I found that even before I had started any medications that 5-10mg (400_mcg_ is a regular dose) helped my insomnia at night enormously. Instead of being hot and cold and waking up frequently, I could most relax and sleep through the night. A recent study showed that the women who were given prozac plus folic acid in large enough quantities to reduce their homocysteine (a molecule which causes heart disease and is kept in check by folic acid, B-6 and B-12) had a 93% response versus a 60% response rate with prozac alone. The dose for the folic acid in this study was 800mcg. It was hypothesized that only the women showed this disparity in response because the dose was not high enough for the men. Folic acid levels are often low in those with depression.I am working on a very interesting theory involving the level of calcium ions inside the cell. An excessive level of calcium inside the cell is associated with both affective disorders and immune hyperactivity, which is itself associated with depression. I am looking into some pretty simple substances whihc both reduce intracellular calcium and down-regulate immune response. One possible reason that Omega-3 fatty might help is because they can down-regulate inflammatory immune response.
Folic might help with depression because homocysteine is an agent that causes intracellular calcium to rise.
I have a lot more information about this research, but I don't want to overwhelm you.
One example: Seasonal Affective disorder occurs when the body's store of Vitamin D is lowest. One study showed that giving Vitamin D had a greater impact on patients' depression than light therapy. There is an enzyme called calbindin that plays a major role in keeping calcium ions from accumulating inside the cell. This enzyme is dependant on Vitamin D.
IF you (or anyone) wants to know more, please let me know.btrout
Posted by Rick on January 24, 2002, at 22:05:28
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by btrout on January 24, 2002, at 16:19:25
Interesting ideas.
According to studies, folic acid has indeed been shown to be of potential benefit in mental disorders, usually in tandem with other meds or supplements. But anything over 1000 mcg (1 mg) can *potentially* lead to adverse side effects. And following the 1999 (?) U.S. government mandate of folate fortification of a wide variety of foods, folic acid deficiency has plummeted to nearly zilch according to studies, and supplementation (e.g., to lower homocysteine in tandem with B6 and B12) should be adjusted accordingly.
Megadoses, in particular, can be potentially problematic. Large doses of folate can destroy vitamin B12, which is essential for mental and physical health. Here is the folic acid "adverse effects" section from the Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database, which is an evidence-based book/site edited by pharmacists:
Adverse Reactions:
Orally, high doses of folic acid can cause altered sleep patterns, vivid dreaming, irritability, excitability, overactivity, confusion, impaired judgment, exacerbation of seizure frequency and psychotic behavior, nausea, abdominal distention, flatulence, bitter taste in the mouth, allergic skin reactions, and zinc depletion (14,15). In one study, these effects were observed after administration of 15 mg per day for 30 days. Large doses of folic acid can also precipitate or exacerbate neuropathy in people deficient in vitamin B12 (6243). Allergic reactions have occurred rarely. Symptoms have included rash, erythema, itching, malaise, and bronchospasm. An anaphylactic reaction has been reported in one patient receiving intravenous folic acid. Use of folic acid for undiagnosed anemia has masked the symptoms of pernicious anemia, resulting in lack of treatment and eventual neurological damage (15). Patients should be warned to not self-treat suspected anemia.Interactions with Herbs & Supplements:
ZINC: Chronic administration of folic acid can decrease zinc levels (14,15).
VITAMIN B12: Long-term use of folic acid can deplete levels of vitamin B12 (15).
> Hi, PaulB.
> I am also interested in nutrition as a way of helping my depression. You might want to try a LOT of folic acid. I found that even before I had started any medications that 5-10mg (400_mcg_ is a regular dose) helped my insomnia at night enormously. Instead of being hot and cold and waking up frequently, I could most relax and sleep through the night. A recent study showed that the women who were given prozac plus folic acid in large enough quantities to reduce their homocysteine (a molecule which causes heart disease and is kept in check by folic acid, B-6 and B-12) had a 93% response versus a 60% response rate with prozac alone. The dose for the folic acid in this study was 800mcg. It was hypothesized that only the women showed this disparity in response because the dose was not high enough for the men. Folic acid levels are often low in those with depression.
>
> I am working on a very interesting theory involving the level of calcium ions inside the cell. An excessive level of calcium inside the cell is associated with both affective disorders and immune hyperactivity, which is itself associated with depression. I am looking into some pretty simple substances whihc both reduce intracellular calcium and down-regulate immune response. One possible reason that Omega-3 fatty might help is because they can down-regulate inflammatory immune response.
>
> Folic might help with depression because homocysteine is an agent that causes intracellular calcium to rise.
> I have a lot more information about this research, but I don't want to overwhelm you.
> One example: Seasonal Affective disorder occurs when the body's store of Vitamin D is lowest. One study showed that giving Vitamin D had a greater impact on patients' depression than light therapy. There is an enzyme called calbindin that plays a major role in keeping calcium ions from accumulating inside the cell. This enzyme is dependant on Vitamin D.
> IF you (or anyone) wants to know more, please let me know.
>
> btrout
Posted by Rick on January 24, 2002, at 22:13:18
In reply to Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by PaulB on January 23, 2002, at 15:56:34
Maybe you've already seen it, but this recent study seems to speak to possible usefulness of Omega3's in unipolar depression:
Int J Clin Pract 2001 Oct;55(8):560-3
Eicosapentaenoic acid in treatment-resistant depression associated with symptom remission, structural brain changes and reduced neuronal phospholipid turnover.
Puri BK, Counsell SJ, Hamilton G, Richardson AJ, Horrobin DF.
MRI Unit, Imperial College School of Medicine, Hammersmith Hospital, London, W12 0HS, UK.
The n-3 essential fatty acid eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) was added to the conventional antidepressant treatment of a treatment-resistant severely depressed and suicidal male patient with a seven-year history of unremitting depressive symptoms. The niacin skin flush test and cerebral magnetic resonance scanning were carried out at baseline and nine months later. The addition of ethyl-EPA led to a dramatic and sustained clinical improvement in all the symptoms of depression, including a cessation of previously unremitting severe suicidal ideation, within one month. Symptoms of social phobia also improved dramatically. During the nine-month period the volumetric niacin response increased by 30%, the relative concentration of cerebral phosphomonesters increased by 53%, and the ratio of cerebral phosphomonesters to phosphodiesters increased by 79%, indicating reduced neuronal phospholipid turnover. Registered difference images showed that the EPA treatment was accompanied by structural brain changes including, in particular, a reduction in the lateral ventricular volume.
PMID: 11695079 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> I have often read that the Omega-3 fatty acids can be a useful adjunct to antidepressant medication. However there seems to be an increasing amount of evidence that indicates that Omega 3 are a useful "aid" to persons who suffer from bipolar depression as opposed to unipolar depression.
>
> My interest in the Omega 3 fatty acids is because I live a stressful lifestlye and therefore want to augment my antidepressant[Sertraline]as much as possible. I take SAM-E and B-Vitamins in their co-enzyme forms and avoid recreational street drugs, caffeine and alcohol.
>
> Despite the increasing wave of evidence that the omega-3 fatty acids are useful for persons with bipola should that dissuade persons with unipolar depresion from taking them. As my post heading indicates quid-pro-quo for advice. I want to help you too. Just say when and what your going to post and Ill do my best with the other psycho-babblers to help you out. We, most of us I think are not physicians but that doesnt mean we cannot offer advice that you may find helpful or wish to take up with your physician.
> Thanks
> PaulB
Posted by anniebananie on January 25, 2002, at 13:41:26
In reply to Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by PaulB on January 23, 2002, at 15:56:34
> Despite the increasing wave of evidence that the omega-3 fatty acids are useful for persons with bipola should that dissuade persons with unipolar depresion from taking them.
From what I've read Omega 3's help bipolars more with depression than with mania. I've been taking 10,000 mg (off and on) for a few years now, mostly of flax oil, sometimes fish oil. (The fish oil can be sort of fishy and give you fishy hearthburn and fishy breath.) I'm bipolar, but have more trouble with depression than with mania in my daily life and the flax oil does seem to help. Why not give it a try? It's good for more than just your brain and it's not very expensive.
Good luck,
Annie
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 5, 2002, at 13:17:26
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2002, at 21:08:17
There is plenty of evidence now that omega-3 is useful in depression as well as in manic-depression.Omegabrite,being high in EPA and carefully manufactured looks like one of the best brands.Another version I like is Eskimo-3 which is made in Sweden and looks good for diabetics (it does not increase the blood glucose unlike many of the cheap omega-3s.).Have a look at www.omega3.20megsfree.com
Posted by Will_Hung on June 6, 2002, at 17:42:53
In reply to Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by PaulB on January 23, 2002, at 15:56:34
Just thought I'd add my experience with Omega-3 to the pile...
I have social phobia and severe depression as a result of this. I currently take moclobemide but started looking for something to add to it after getting frustrated at my general lack of progress. I now take 14,000mg of fish oil a day, giving about 4,000mg of omega-3 fatty acids.
To be honest, the omega-3 has done nothing for my depression, nor has it affected the level of social discomfort (or rather, my level of avoidance of) HOWEVER it has drastically stabilised my mood. Previously I found it virtually imposssible to speak to anybody (family included) or even look people in the eye until I had been up for several hours. As I work with the public this was proving to be a bit of a problem. Now I'm (relatively) chatty first thing and find eye contact and such a lot easier. If you count mood swings as a sympom of depression then I guess you could say that omega-3 is useful. Also, although my situation anxiety has not decreased, my anticipatory anxiety (ie my anxiety before certain interactions) has decreased drastically. I swear I've even become a bit more 'touchy-feely' lately as well.
I disagree that increasing the amount of omega-3 does not increase the benefits. My experience is that each time I up the amount of fish oil the positive side effects augment also. I have had no side effects to speak of. If I take the capsules with plenty of water and after a meal there are no fishy burps, indigestion, etc, etc. For me, the major problem is financial. 250 capsules - which last me about 18 days - cost 15 pounds. This means I'm spending about 25 quid a month! Jeez.... if it weren't for this, I'd probably be taking 30 capsules a day.
Now I have a couple of questions:
1) Are there any concentrated supplements e.g. Omegabrite available in the UK? I can't order from outside the UK as I have no credit card.
2) Is the amount of DHA relevant to mental health or not? Different articles seem to contradict each other on this point.
3) Does anybody have any links to any information on the development of EPA-based antidepressants. (I read recently somewhere that they are in the pipeline)
Oh, and personally speaking, I would not recommend flax oil as a cheap replacement for fish oil. I have seen a couple of articles which suggest that only about 2% of ALA is converted to EPA by the body and so you would need very large amounts of the stuff to get the same effect. Having said this, I know there are some who swear by the stuff.
Cheers
Will
Posted by Leighwit on June 7, 2002, at 8:40:32
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 5, 2002, at 13:17:26
.Another version I like is Eskimo-3 which is made in Sweden and looks good for diabetics (it does not increase the blood glucose unlike many of the cheap omega-3s.).Have a look at www.omega3.20megsfree.com
Ed,
I went to your site, but cannot for some reason, maneuver to page two which is evidently where the info is on Eskimo-3 for diabetics. I was planning to start Omegabrite ~ but am a Type I. Do you think it matters between Omegabrite and Eskimo-3 specifically?
Thanks
Laurie
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 7, 2002, at 17:38:41
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 5, 2002, at 13:17:26
Omegabrite looks to me to be an excellent version of omega-3.However I have not seen any report on its use in diabetics while I am aware of the use of Eskimo-3 in diabetics.A doctor in Sweden,Prof. Tom Saldeen,showed that Eskimo-3 did not increase blood glucose while the other versions of omega-3 did increase it.
Posted by Leighwit on June 7, 2002, at 18:03:10
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 7, 2002, at 17:38:41
Ed,
Thank you. I went to the Fincastle website and only found a product that I don't think is the Eskimo-3 product that you yourself take. Could you help me locate a source for ordering Eskimo-3 please? Thanks very much for your help with this!
Laurie
> Omegabrite looks to me to be an excellent version of omega-3.However I have not seen any report on its use in diabetics while I am aware of the use of Eskimo-3 in diabetics.A doctor in Sweden,Prof. Tom Saldeen,showed that Eskimo-3 did not increase blood glucose while the other versions of omega-3 did increase it.
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 8, 2002, at 10:54:17
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice » Ed O`Flaherty, posted by Leighwit on June 7, 2002, at 18:03:10
Eskimo-3 is available from www.phytopharmica.com.
A book about the physical benefits of natural fish oil (in effect Eskimo-3) is "Fish Oil and Health" by Tom Saldeen,published by Swede Health Press,Box 151 36,750 15 Uppsala,Sweden
I do not know if it is the best fish oil but it has a lot of research done on it which I find comforting.It is available in liquid and capsule form.It is also quite palatable.Have a look at my site www.omega3.20megsfree.com for further details
Ed.> Ed,
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> Thank you. I went to the Fincastle website and only found a product that I don't think is the Eskimo-3 product that you yourself take. Could you help me locate a source for ordering Eskimo-3 please? Thanks very much for your help with this!
>
> Laurie
>
> > Omegabrite looks to me to be an excellent version of omega-3.However I have not seen any report on its use in diabetics while I am aware of the use of Eskimo-3 in diabetics.A doctor in Sweden,Prof. Tom Saldeen,showed that Eskimo-3 did not increase blood glucose while the other versions of omega-3 did increase it.
Posted by Leighwit on June 8, 2002, at 19:05:01
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 8, 2002, at 10:54:17
Ed and others interested in Eskimo-3,
From the Phytopharmica site, I found that a small pharmacy near me carries their products, so if Eskimo-3 isn't on their shelf, they can certainly get it for me. I was surprised that there isn't a direct order option on the Phytophamica web site.
I'm wondering if I should take the liquid rather the capsule form. If, as you state on your web page the Eskimo-3 capsules contains "perhaps 180 mg EPA" then it would take dozens of capsules to get where I think I want to go.
Would you mind sharing your thoughts on form (liquide vs. capsule Eskimo-3) as it relates to dosage? I'm thinking that I'll start with 2 grams/day. In terms of EPA vs. DHA, etc., how many capsules or how many ml will that require? I'm going to use Eskimo-3 for mental as well as cardio health issues. I'm not thinking that fish oil is going to replace my latest antidepressant cocktail, but after ten years of mediocre-to-lousy performance from dozens of them, it sure can't hurt to put something natural and heart-healthy into the mix.
With thanks,
Lauriecontain > Eskimo-3 is available from www.phytopharmica.com.
>
> A book about the physical benefits of natural fish oil (in effect Eskimo-3) is "Fish Oil and Health" by Tom Saldeen,published by Swede Health Press,Box 151 36,750 15 Uppsala,Sweden
> I do not know if it is the best fish oil but it has a lot of research done on it which I find comforting.It is available in liquid and capsule form.It is also quite palatable.Have a look at my site www.omega3.20megsfree.com for further details
> Ed.
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> > Thank you. I went to the Fincastle website and only found a product that I don't think is the Eskimo-3 product that you yourself take. Could you help me locate a source for ordering Eskimo-3 please? Thanks very much for your help with this!
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> > Laurie
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> > > Omegabrite looks to me to be an excellent version of omega-3.However I have not seen any report on its use in diabetics while I am aware of the use of Eskimo-3 in diabetics.A doctor in Sweden,Prof. Tom Saldeen,showed that Eskimo-3 did not increase blood glucose while the other versions of omega-3 did increase it.
Posted by johnj on June 9, 2002, at 12:36:48
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 8, 2002, at 10:54:17
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/
type in fish oil and it will pop up. It is VERY low in EPS and DHA, it takes 3 capsules to get 260 and 165 respectively. 105 capsules are around 14 US. Anybody know how much is in omegabrite? I went to the website, but it doesn't say how much of in each capsule so I am leary of them not disclosing that. I bought my brand at Walmart and it seems just fine and has 180 and 120 in EACH capsule. Let me know what you decide I would be interested. Take care
Johnj
Posted by omega man on June 9, 2002, at 13:50:09
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Will_Hung on June 6, 2002, at 17:42:53
I'm so glad to hear another success story....I been feeling like some sort of insane person...because I tried something with the "alternative" health label..and it works better than anything they could prescribe me..or any of their training has any knowledge of..
I found it did help depression...but this took a year before I realized that the extra thinking space you describe as anticipatory anxiety lets you see a way through events rather than react to them..
I find the most profound effects happen if I take a few before sleep..I feel rock stable in mood all day..things don't jarr me..and If I miss it three days ..i get really unstable..
I had some strange side effects...if I take one and relax in a bath with the lights out..my vision gets "oily" like either I'm perceiving heat waves from the water..or the oil is swimming round my visual system....but I can see auras as heat haze ..rabble rabble...what I was going to say is that i was getting facial neuralgia...when I took over 1000mg a day..somebody else on this site reported this too..except he said his face is still paralysed..
We are in a sense testing this substance...the more people who report side effects the better..
Posted by omega man on June 9, 2002, at 13:53:14
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice » Ed O`Flaherty, posted by Leighwit on June 8, 2002, at 19:05:01
just want to add I notice my heart palpitions dissapear within 30 minutes of swallowing an omega 3..
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 9, 2002, at 16:03:35
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice » Leighwit, posted by omega man on June 9, 2002, at 13:53:14
Omega-3 has a stabilising effect on heart rhythm which is the reason it reduces the death rates shortly after heart attacks,the time when most deaths occur.It has been shown that three capsules of natural fish oil (Eskimo-3) daily reduces the whole mortality and the mortality from heart disease by 29% over 2 years in men who have a history of a heart attack.Omega-3 though should not be taken without a physician`s approval if a person is on any medication designed to thin the blood such as warfarin.
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 9, 2002, at 16:27:01
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice » Ed O`Flaherty, posted by Leighwit on June 8, 2002, at 19:05:01
Three capsules of Eskimo-3 will give you 240mg EPA and 120mg DHA while 5 ml of the liquid form will give you three times that much.For normal healthy people 3 capsules is enough but for psychiateric patients up to 6 x5ml spoons may be needed in e.g.bipolar disorder.The liquid form is far less expensive because it is so concentrated.
Posted by omega man on June 9, 2002, at 17:44:08
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 9, 2002, at 16:03:35
My neighbour is 79 odd and he is a very lively guy..with a "so called" terminal heart condition..in that this is the UK where doctors seem to bury their head in the sand regarding new treatments until patients see it on the internet...
I started off I was going to ask you for some trial links that I can print out and show him about omega 3..as I do with many ill friends I try to give them some...but the reaction is "whats this ? youre nuts !!"..
well he gave me them back after asking his so called heart specialist..and three months later he had a heart attack..
could this have been prevented by omega 3 ? how will I know...luckily he's OK but he just sits waiting to die ...he has two faulty valves and says that he can't have a bypass because you need two of the three valves for the bypass to be healthy .. is this true ..anybody...
in fact does anyone know of a site like psycho-babble for physical problems ?
Posted by Leighwit on June 10, 2002, at 10:50:27
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 9, 2002, at 16:27:01
> Three capsules of Eskimo-3 will give you 240mg EPA and 120mg DHA while 5 ml of the liquid form will give you three times that much.For normal healthy people 3 capsules is enough but for psychiateric patients up to 6 x5ml spoons may be needed in e.g.bipolar disorder.The liquid form is far less expensive because it is so concentrated.
Ed,PERFECT. That is exactly what I needed to know.
Thank you so very much,
Laurie
Posted by Leighwit on June 13, 2002, at 17:19:03
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 9, 2002, at 16:03:35
Well, I started the Eskimo-3 fish oil yesterday. I'm using the liquid form, since it's easier and faster to get to higher dosages that way and less expensive.
I'm going to follow your earlier post re dosage, Ed. I've taken 5 ml/twice thus far today and will work up to four or five of those per day until I can tell if it's making any difference. If it isn't, I still plan to use it for cardiac health. (5 ml/day)
I must tell you, it tastes absolutely horrible of course. You probably knew that (or if you didn't know it from personal experience, you probably suspected it.) Actually, the odor is worse than the taste.
I tried mixing it in juice, but quite frankly, it just makes the juice taste bad and ergo prolongs the agony... So I'm taking it straight off the spoon.
Yum.
Laurie
> Omega-3 has a stabilising effect on heart rhythm which is the reason it reduces the death rates shortly after heart attacks,the time when most deaths occur.It has been shown that three capsules of natural fish oil (Eskimo-3) daily reduces the whole mortality and the mortality from heart disease by 29% over 2 years in men who have a history of a heart attack.Omega-3 though should not be taken without a physician`s approval if a person is on any medication designed to thin the blood such as warfarin.
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 14, 2002, at 2:30:49
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice » Ed O`Flaherty, posted by Leighwit on June 13, 2002, at 17:19:03
It may be worthwhile to put it on a piece of bread to reduce the taste.The Eskimo-3 capsules have very little aftertaste but are much more expensive
Posted by disney4 on November 2, 2002, at 13:34:39
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on June 14, 2002, at 2:30:49
Hi Ed,
I have replied to your postings before, because I am a long time user of GNC Salmon oil. I am considering taking more than the one capsule per day for help with my OCD and bipolar disorder. I am a little concerned about the facila neuralgia problem reported by a few posters to this site. I also am considering a switch to the TwinLabs formulation. I know you prefer the Eskimo 3, but I am not a diabetic, and have been fine with the Salmon oil. You will see why I might switch from the information that follows. What is your opinion?
Description
Mega Twin EPA is the highest quality Omega-3 fish oil softgel available. it is derived from deep sea, cold water fish and contains more Omega-3 fatty acids (EPA & DHA) than many other brands. Carefully screened to avoid toxic metals and chemicals and does not have vitamins A,D or methyl esters.Recommended For
Take 1-3 Capsules with any meal as a dietary supplement or as directed by a physician or health professional.Ingredients
Serving Size: 1 softgel
Amount per serving:
Calories: 10
Calories from fat: 1 g
Total fat: 1g
Cholesterol: 12 mg
Vitamin E: 19IU
EPA: 600mg
DHA: 240mg
Other Ingredients
Fish oil, gelatin, glycerin, purified water, d-alpha tocopherol.Does Not Contain
Corn, Soy, Yeast, Wheat, Milk, Egg, Artificial Flavors, Colors, Sugars, Salt (Sodium), Preservatives, Vitamin A, D or Methyl Esters.Disclaimer: These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
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Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on November 3, 2002, at 13:14:25
In reply to Re: Omega-3for the Unipolar's-quid-pro-quo for advice » Ed O`Flaherty, posted by disney4 on November 2, 2002, at 13:34:39
> Hi Ed,
> I have replied to your postings before, because I am a long time user of GNC Salmon oil. I am considering taking more than the one capsule per day for help with my OCD and bipolar disorder. I am a little concerned about the facila neuralgia problem reported by a few posters to this site. I also am considering a switch to the TwinLabs formulation. I know you prefer the Eskimo 3, but I am not a diabetic, and have been fine with the Salmon oil. You will see why I might switch from the information that follows. What is your opinion?
> Description
> Mega Twin EPA is the highest quality Omega-3 fish oil softgel available. it is derived from deep sea, cold water fish and contains more Omega-3 fatty acids (EPA & DHA) than many other brands. Carefully screened to avoid toxic metals and chemicals and does not have vitamins A,D or methyl esters.
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> Recommended For
> Take 1-3 Capsules with any meal as a dietary supplement or as directed by a physician or health professional.
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> Ingredients
> Serving Size: 1 softgel
> Amount per serving:
> Calories: 10
> Calories from fat: 1 g
> Total fat: 1g
> Cholesterol: 12 mg
> Vitamin E: 19IU
> EPA: 600mg
> DHA: 240mg
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> Other Ingredients
> Fish oil, gelatin, glycerin, purified water, d-alpha tocopherol.
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> Does Not Contain
> Corn, Soy, Yeast, Wheat, Milk, Egg, Artificial Flavors, Colors, Sugars, Salt (Sodium), Preservatives, Vitamin A, D or Methyl Esters.
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> Disclaimer: These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
> Manufacturers continually change product specifications. While we try our best to keep product descriptions up to date, they do not necessarily reflect the latest information available from the manufacturer. We are not responsible for incorrect or outdated product descriptions and/or images.
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> Web Vitamins is not responsible for pricing errors, and may not be able to honor orders for items where the pricing is incorrect.
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> I saw an analysis of this product recently and the quality seems good.I tend to favor Eskimo-3 because there is so much research published on it and it has better results in physical illness than any of the others I am aware of.Another one Omegabrite looks pretty good for psychiatric problems but again little has been published on it.
Let us know how how you get on with a higher dose.1g of omega-3 is sometimes useful in depression but mostly you are talking about 5g,even 10 g for major problems.You can always go up slowly of course and stop when you get relief but it is often better to start around 5g and move on from there,either up or down.
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